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Beck again misleads on effort to repeal Cold War-era CA law banning communists from becoming teachers

March 11, 2010 7:44 pm ET

From the March 11 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

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    • Author by DAWUSS (March 11, 2010 7:49 pm ET)
         
      Can we get a Psy.D's take on this?
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    • Author by DAWUSS (March 11, 2010 7:49 pm ET)
         
      Can we get a Psy.D's take on this?
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (March 11, 2010 7:50 pm ET)
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      Beck again misleads on effort to repeal Cold War-era CA law banning communists from becoming teachers

      Oh my god! He is for:

      McCarthyism

      SMH!

      *FACEPALM*
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    • Author by soze169880 (March 11, 2010 7:58 pm ET)
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      Since Beck has such a fetish for comparing himself to historical figures, I've got another one for him:
      John Briggs.
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      • Author by epkklk851 (March 11, 2010 8:23 pm ET)
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        According to your Wikipedia article, he changed his opinions towards Gays. Would that Glennie could.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (March 11, 2010 8:26 pm ET)
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      I took that oath of office in 1983. I have taken the Federal Oath of Office at least twice. I was never big on them to start with, and after the Walker Family Spy scandal, I have even less patience. A loyalty oath doesn't stop the dirtbags, and it doesn't improve the honest. It is just a legal measure that you could use against someone down the line. Protecting and serving my country is important, but the piece of paper doesn't matter.
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    • Author by dogbreath (March 11, 2010 8:29 pm ET)
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      A flipping oath of office as a teacher. Are you kidding me? I never had to take an oath of office as a teacher. Of course, Beck makes the leap that just because you don't take this oath that you are, be definition, a communist who is going to overthrow the government. Yeah, Beck, me and my legions of 150 students are going to march in and demand the government is overthrown. Grief, this man is stupid.
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    • Author by Dem02020 (March 11, 2010 8:30 pm ET)
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      That communism crap from the late 40's and 50's was no more about communism then, than this crap is now.

      It was then simply an over-the-top tactic to intimidate people politically, which is what it is today.

      It was much worse and much less funny back then, than it is today.

      There are no secret communist meetings, no secret handshakes or high signs, no plots to overthrown the government, not now and not then either.

      It didn't matter, it's the stigmata people see, and back then at least, that was quite the bogeyman, the communist.

      I don't think it is today, but then again, it's meant only to intimidate people as I said, and if it works then it works, however senseless or foolish it is, if people are intimidated then they are intimidated.

      There's another thing to note, and that is that in addition to intimidating a political opposition, today it (this communism talk) is a way of fortifying the support of business people and financiers (and bankers) and other influential and wealthy Americans, most of whom are Republican.

      You see, those wealthy and influential people might actually think "yes we do need to reduce health care costs", or "yes we do need to regulate the banks and financial services companies", and so this communism crap is meant to head off such thinking in those Republicans, by warning them in dark tones, that there lies communism.

      It's also a rationalization on the part of those wealthy and influential Republicans, necessary to ward off guilt, in justifying their own selfishness and opposition to reform at this time, by painting that opposition to be in the name of opposing communists.

      Anyway, it's less bad now than it was back then, and much less effective or even sensible, it's easier to see through today than it was back then.

      Also, it worked back then you know, it was a fabulous success, other than a relatively tiny number of writers and other artists and union organizers and even business folk, all that communism crap back then it did intimidate people politically, and to great effect.

      I'm pretty sure the times have changed, but we'll see.

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    • Author by dogbreath (March 11, 2010 8:35 pm ET)
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      This show today has me seriously confused. I am not sure whether I am a Nazi or a communist. Maybe I am a Naziomunist.
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    • Author by ojnabieoot (March 11, 2010 9:02 pm ET)
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      Here's the bigger question: does anyone particularly care if a teacher is a communist? Obviously a Stalinist would be a problem, but American communism is nothing more than a somewhat fringe philosophy on the left that is totally consistent with our Constitution and the idea of peaceful political discourse. Communism does not equal the USSR. In fact, I'd posit that your average American communist is far more centrist than Glenn Beck's fascist, nationalistic far-right political philosophy.

      Now, of course, most Americans have realized that communism doesn't tend to work very well, making democratic socialism / social capitalism / social democracy far more plausible options, and beliefs fairly commonly held by us lefties. Of course, this also seems unacceptable to Beck, and it's easy to see how a ban on communism could (again) turn into a total partisan witch-hunt where everyone but right-of-centre/right/far-right individuals are blacklisted.

      Banning communists from public service is fundamentally anti-American. We decided this over fifty years ago, even in the midst of conflict with a communist superpower. It's disheartening to see McCarthyism return to America.
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      • Author by Dem02020 (March 11, 2010 9:27 pm ET)
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        Maybe it goes nowhere to ask, but just what is the kind of "communist" we're supposedly talking about?

        And I don't need a lesson in the Political And Economic Systems Of The World, but instead I'd ask a sort of multiple choice question...

        Is a "communist" today in America (and it's only today in America I'm talking about, we are now and I am in America), is it someone who advocates the violent overthrow of the U.S. Government?

        [It's a serious question, and I believe it's answer to be important and to be answerable definitively yes or no]

        Does a "communist" in America today want to abolish the U.S. Constitution, or otherwise alter it beyond any recognition of it's current form?

        Does a "communist" in America today want to (and I think this may be the textbook definition) assign ownership and control of all manufacturing and all or most retailing, to the government?

        I'll end with that one (and forgo asking about annexing or leaguing the U.S. to any other country, like Russia or China), and I'll note, that not only do I believe few if any Americans believe in any of those things I listed, especially the last one which I think hits the mark of what "communism" is, I'll say no sensible sane American stands for any of those things I listed, and for good reason, as they are all impossibilities and would never happen...

        And so then what is a "communist" in America today?

        I'll give my own answer here, and say there are no sensible or sane Americans today who are "communists", not in any significant number and more like NONE I say.

        The thing called a "communist" today in America, is not any real person, but is instead a figment of the imagination, a demon or spook of the mind, in the mind of glenn beck mostly it seems, but probably not in many other minds, or not in sane or sensible ones anyway...

        That's all a "communist" is in America today, it's just a bogeyman, it's not an actual or real person.

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    • Author by itisaduck (March 12, 2010 3:12 am ET)
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      Beck is not misleading anyone. What he says is in essence the truth. I was born in California and CTA is full of admitted Communists. The government is also full of devout Communists. I was a Union VP and the President told me he was a Communist. I quit. I have spoken to admitted Communist teachers and other Communists in California and I was told in anger that they plan to vote us as far into socialism as possible and them out come their guns to flip us into Communism. Did they mean this literally? I do not known but I stockpiled firearms and ammo, just incase. They told me first California and then the rest of the USA. I promise I am not making this up. Regarding McCarthy. He did uncover many Communists. In fact a powerful Communist lady (her admision) in California was telling me how her uncle had to hide and on and on. I finally asked, "Aaaah was he a Communist?" She said, "yes." Made me rethink McCarthy. The fact is we are all being fed lies via Communists. SDS in my youth was well meeting pawns, guys that wanted to get laid, girls that wanted to party, lead by serious Communist leadership. Wake Up people...California has been flushed into a welfare state by these pukes!
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      • Author by Johaely (March 12, 2010 5:26 pm ET)
           
        So communists have no rights in the US?

        Go back to /b/, troll.
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