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Beck: "There's a lot of people that will say 'social justice,' and some people don't mean Marxism, but others do"

March 12, 2010 10:12 am ET

From the March 12 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:

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    • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 12, 2010 10:16 am ET)
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      Are you calling many of the churches in this country Marxist, Glenn? Keep backpedalling, you've got a lonnnnng way to go.
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      • Author by bintx (March 12, 2010 10:23 am ET)
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        He's got too many words out there to backpedal on . . . I don't think the folks he insulted are going to buy it.
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        • Author by raine315 (March 12, 2010 10:33 am ET)
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          Beck talked a whole lot of mumbo jumbo, he beat around the bush and took the long route just to diss America's black churchs! Why elese would he bring up Rev Wright in this latest heap of bs
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      • Author by MagCynic (March 12, 2010 10:30 am ET)
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        Reverend Wright's church is a Marxist church. Those were the types of churches he was asking viewers to leave.
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        • Author by eweston8542983 (March 12, 2010 10:38 am ET)
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          Well we certainly can't have practiced social justice from a church some unsupported statement says is marxist.

          A metric on the acceptability of social justice based on unsupported statements against an organization would look like what?
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        • Author by raddave43 (March 12, 2010 10:39 am ET)
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          Reverend Wright no longer has a Church.
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        • Author by bintx (March 12, 2010 10:41 am ET)
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          First, Rev. Wright has been retired for several years, so he has no church at all. Also, the church wasn't his to begin with . . . he was an employee of the church. Second, it is NOT a Marxist church, that's a Fox/Beck talking point.

          Don't you get tired of defending this bogus, uneducated liar? What's in it for you, Mag? Seriously, what is in it for you?
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          • Author by MagCynic (March 12, 2010 10:56 am ET)
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            Really? It doesn't matter, though. Beck was referring to churches like that of Reverend Wright's.

            What is Marxism to you? To me it's about the struggle between the different economic classes. Marxists seek to pit different classes of society against each other. Am I wrong?
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            • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 12, 2010 10:58 am ET)
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              Here is the part of the quote, AFTER he mentions Wright, Mag:

              “Am I advising people to leave their church? Yes! If I am going to Jeremiah Wright’s church,” he said, referring to President Obama’s former pastor in Chicago. “If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish. Go alert your bishop.”
              http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/us/12justice.html

              Are you saying that Wright hasn't done great things for Chicago?
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            • Author by bintx (March 12, 2010 11:14 am ET)
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              Do you know what Pastor "emeritus" means? It means Pastor "retired."

              And you are incorrect. Since you are the one who is always bellyaching about taking comments out of context, why did you not read the next sentence in Beck's statement about Rev. Wright's church? You know, where he refers to priests and bishops? And then the next sentence where he says he doesn't care WHAT kind of church it is?

              You need to read your Bible. Jesus Christ's message was about the struggle between the classes . . . he was on the side of the poor and told the rich to give to the poor. Was Jesus Christ a Marxist? You don't know what you're talking about Mag.
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              • Author by MagCynic (March 12, 2010 11:19 am ET)
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                Do you know what Pastor "emeritus" means? It means Pastor "retired."
                Irrelevant. I thought you meant he was no longer associated with the church at all.
                why did you not read the next sentence in Beck's statement about Rev. Wright's church?
                I did read it. I knew what he meant when he said it. He meant social justice as it relates to big government. He didn't say it explicitly at the time but he did talk about it further this morning. You probably didn't hear that though.
                esus Christ's message was about the struggle between the classes . . . he was on the side of the poor and told the rich to give to the poor. Was Jesus Christ a Marxist?
                Exactly. Jesus was for the rich giving to the poor, not the rich giving to the government to give to the poor. That is what Beck is warning about. You simply refuse to understand that because you "know" what he meant even though his words this morning prove you wrong.
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                • Author by bintx (March 12, 2010 11:34 am ET)
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                  Bull . . . if you knew what emeritus meant, you would have never posted the link. Wright doesn't preach any longer, except when needed. It's not HIS church, the church is the people inside the walls.

                  As for the rest of your BS:

                  "Yes! If I'm going to Jeremiah Wright's church, yes, leave your church! Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish. Go alert your bishop and tell them, excuse me, are you down with this whole social justice thing? I don't care what the church is. If it's my church, I'm alerting the church authorities: 'excuse me, what's this social justice thing?' And if they say, 'yeah, we're all in that social justice thing', I'm in the wrong place."


                  Please point out to me where Beck was referring to the government in this statement.

                  His words this morning are backtracking and backpedaling because his A** is in a sling. Fox and his syndicator are getting e-mails and telephone calls from Christians who are incensed at this man's ignorance of the past few days. Fox and hate talk radio depend upon those self-same folks for their ratings and revenue. The Republican Party depends on them for their votes. Beck is really trying hard to explain away his very, very, very stupid comments and in the process is just digging a bigger hole. Like I said, kiss his backside if you want, but the man said what he said and now he's having to pay the piper.
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                • Author by historygeek001 (March 12, 2010 11:40 am ET)
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                  MagCynic: proud to be completely immune to facts.
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            • Author by soze169880 (March 12, 2010 11:21 am ET)
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              Whereas true patriots seek to maintain the feudal system and make sure no one outside the approved tax brackets gets impertinent ideas about having any worth.
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        • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 12, 2010 10:42 am ET)
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          What a mindreader you must be! You got that from Beck saying this:

          "I'm begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!"

          How does Wright's church advocate Marxism?


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          • Author by MagCynic (March 12, 2010 10:48 am ET)
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            Because Marxism places a focus on the struggle between the different economic classes. Marxists seeks to pit the lower classes against the upper classes. You don't think Wright wants to pit people against each other?
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            • Author by bintx (March 12, 2010 10:55 am ET)
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              Lord, you're absolutely hopeless.

              Christianity focuses on the struggle between the different economic classes. As Christ told the rich young ruler: "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." This was after he told the rich young ruler to give all of his possessions to the poor. So, by your definition and Beck's, Christ was a Marxist.

              Do you really know how foolish this sounds, Mag?

              Beck has basically decided to backtrack on his previously STUPID remarks about Christianity by making even more STUPID remarks about black Christian churches. He's digging a hole he, hopefully, can't climb out of this time.
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              • Author by MagCynic (March 12, 2010 11:06 am ET)
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                Christianity focuses on the struggle between the different economic classes
                ROFL! No it's not. It's about personal salvation. That was the whole point of Jesus. We're talking about the same thing amongst different posts so I'm not gonna respond to anymore on this thread.
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                • Author by bintx (March 12, 2010 11:14 am ET)
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                  No wonder you're supporting Beck on this . . . you have NO idea what Christ's message was, do you? NONE.
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                • Author by worrierking (March 12, 2010 12:44 pm ET)
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                  If all that matters is personal salvation, you've missed the point of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

                  What you describe is not what most Christians believe.
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                  • Author by vysotsky (March 12, 2010 1:20 pm ET)
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                    Nah, MagCynic is right on this one. Remember when Jesus said that the greatest salvation was assured only under spiritual free market conditions in which each individual acts according to his or her self interest and, as if by an invisible hand, achieves the best possible outcome for all souls? It was either Jesus or Adam Smith, I can never remember which one.
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            • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 12, 2010 11:00 am ET)
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              You must think that Jesus was a Marxist. No, I think Wright genuinely wants to help those in his community. Oh, by the way, did you see what the Mormons added to their faith this year?

              "Mr. Barlow said that just this year, the church’s highest authority, the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, issued a new “Handbook of Instructions” in which they revised the church’s “threefold mission” and added a fourth mission statement: Care for the poor."

              http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/us/12justice.html

              Is the Mormon church really a front for Marxism?
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            • Author by fishgirl26 (March 12, 2010 11:01 am ET)
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              I think BECK wants to pit the lower and upper classes against each other...that's what the entire GOP wants!!! They want to squeeze the middle class until it doesn't exist!!! Rev. Wright preaches on the south side of Chicago..to the poorest of the poor. Is his rhetoric sometimes inflammatory? Yes, but then again so was MLK at times. I can guarantee if you were a person of color that can remember as a child NOT being allowed to go to certain schools, eat in certain restaurants, and even use a G D water fountain you would want the same rights as a white person also and you might even still be FIGHTING for those rights. If you pull your head out you might even realize that there people who still aren't treated equally!! It doesn't make him a Marxist it makes him an activist.
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            • Author by Conchobhar (March 12, 2010 11:26 am ET)
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              So tell us, Mag, since you seem to be so attuned to class warfare, how the hysterical anti-unionism of Beck, the other Foxbots, and the Republican Party is not class warfare.
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            • Author by worrierking (March 12, 2010 12:42 pm ET)
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              Because Capitalism places a focus on the struggle between the different economic classes. Capitalists seeks to pit the upper classes against the lower classes. You don't think Beck wants to pit people against each other?
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            • Author by vysotsky (March 12, 2010 1:16 pm ET)
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              "Because Marxism places a focus on the struggle between the different economic classes."

              While Beck, on the other hand, advocates a political economy in which more than one third of all wealth is owned by 1% of the population. That condition pits the lower classes against the upper classes.
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        • Author by rtejon (March 12, 2010 12:23 pm ET)
             
          I don't think he'd be living in that new multimillion-dollar house if he were a Marxist preacher.
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    • Author by progressivevoicedaily (March 12, 2010 10:27 am ET)
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      I love seeing this wackjob crash and burn in front of the American people. If anyone deserves it, it's him. This countries collective IQ will raise slightly if this guy is taken off the air!!
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    • Author by GBU-15 (March 12, 2010 10:39 am ET)
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      So now he is an expert on Black history too? Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are "experts" on Black culture? Somebody help! Marxism in the Black church? Have any of these people even seen the inside of a Black church? Much less even heard a sermon? They are more conservative than most people like Becky can even imagine!
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      • Author by bintx (March 12, 2010 10:44 am ET)
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        Exactly, and most Black churches put our "white" churches to shame when it comes to Psalm 100:

        1 Shout for joy to the LORD, all the earth.

        2 Worship the LORD with gladness;
        come before him with joyful songs.

        3 Know that the LORD is God.
        It is he who made us, and we are his [a] ;
        we are his people, the sheep of his pasture.

        4 Enter his gates with thanksgiving
        and his courts with praise;
        give thanks to him and praise his name.

        5 For the LORD is good and his love endures forever;
        his faithfulness continues through all generations.
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        • Author by bintx (March 12, 2010 10:45 am ET)
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          One leaves invigorated and full of joy! It's better than the dour "church faces" that I see in the congregation from the choir loft on Sunday mornings.
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    • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 12, 2010 10:39 am ET)
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      Is that how explains this quote:

      "I'm begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!"

      http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_03/022774.php

      Magcynic, paging Magcynic, you never answered this on the other thread, why is Beck encouraging his listeners to abandon their religions? You said he wasn't doing this in the other thread, but here are his words, please respond.

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    • Author by nerzog (March 12, 2010 10:42 am ET)
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      There's a lot of people that will say 'Glenn Beck,' and some people don't mean lying sack of sh!t, but others do"
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    • Author by Dhalgren (March 12, 2010 10:46 am ET)
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      "Social justice" is traditionally a Roman Catholic term. He has no clue what he is talking about.

      Social Justice means opposing most wars.

      Social Justice means opposing the death penalty.

      Social Justice means opposing police brutality, torture, political oppression, and totalitarianism.

      And Social Justice means equal pay for equal work - and a living wage for a full day of work.

      It also means taking a stand against child labor, unsafe working conditions, and an end to racism.

      I know of not one church that advocates larger government. I do know of churches that advocate justice for all.

      Big Effing Difference.
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      • Author by vysotsky (March 12, 2010 1:31 pm ET)
           
        "It also means taking a stand against child labor, unsafe working conditions, and an end to racism."

        Beck, of course, would argue that ending these practices is up to the private sector and individuals, not a social body with legal authority. And this is the problem. For Beck, big government is a nearly empty epithet so broad that he can apply it to any government restriction on business. Child labor laws? Nothing about it in the constitution, so that's a big government intervention. Racism? Sure it's bad, but people have a right to be racist, and only the market can hope to really end racism. Unsafe working conditions? Hey, nobody ever promised you that every job would be safe, you have to take chances in life, and the government's not your nanny.
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    • Author by TheWiz (March 12, 2010 11:56 am ET)
         
      Marist, Maoist, Communist....Why is everybody so scared, these ways of thinking don't challenege us any more!
      "member in the "Manchurian Cantidate", it was the actual Commies who branded every body else as communists to misdirect..
      Or when a "Family Values " politician denounces anybody who doesn't think like him, you know he's JUST exited a Gay Bar...
      So if I denounce Beck as a "commie", does that make me one?
      heh heh
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    • Author by rtejon (March 12, 2010 12:28 pm ET)
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      I'd love to challenge Beck and his fellow pundits to watch the 1968 film, The Shoes of the Fisherman, but they would probably conclude that it's some kind of Franciscan liberalism and not what the Church should be standing for.
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    • Author by billcnc (March 12, 2010 1:02 pm ET)
         
      Hedging your bet their becky?
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