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Hannity's No. 1 example of "reckless" stimulus "waste": A project his reporter acknowledges is "important"

March 12, 2010 11:23 pm ET

From the March 12 edition of Hannity:

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (March 12, 2010 11:30 pm ET)
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      The stimulus money obviously is being spent wisely if Sean Hannity can only come up with less than $5 billion which he SAYS is being misspent. I would have expected a much larger number from Sean. For every stimulus dollar spent I would expect Sean to say that $10 is being misspent. Sean has a tendency to...ahhhh, LIE!!!
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      • Author by Bad News (March 13, 2010 12:46 am ET)
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        Stimulus? Atleast they didn't Murder 13 Soldiers while taking a Shower like Halliburton.
        If this had happened on my watch? There would have been an investigation for Certain.
        But not Dick Cheney, as those 13 Soldiers died that Coward was keeping America Less Safe.
        5 Deferments Dick? Did you ever set one foot in Vietnam? Can you even Spell Disgrace?

        Speak truth to power.


        Mr. News
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        • Author by OTP (March 13, 2010 9:08 am ET)
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          You know no truth, thus have no power.

          A project his reporter acknowledges is "important"

          What she ACTUALLY said is "No one says this project is not important", She's like anyone with a thinking brain suggests the timing is REAL bad. With over 17% of the population either unemployed or UNDER employed, the creation of 1.66 jobs is simply WRONG....
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          • Author by sodium (March 13, 2010 9:35 am ET)
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            OTP said :" With over 17% of the population either unemployed"

            Cite please?

            OTP went on: "or UNDER employed"

            Cite please?

            Please explain precisely what the term "under employed" means.

            Go ahead and take your time OTP, but please back up your claims with some factual evidence or data, and if you would, be so kind as to put it right here.............................> *.

            Thanks in advance.
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            • Author by oscar the grouch (March 13, 2010 10:13 am ET)
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              I think he is kind of working off a couple of years ago, when the "official" unemployment figure of 8% (+/-) under gwb was cited by many as being way to low, due to those that were underemployed or off the radar due to expired benefits. Now, of course, the 9.7-10% is the "official" number and we are to believe it isn't really any higher than that.
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            • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 11:16 am ET)
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              All you have to do is READ something besides mmfa talking points and you'll do just fine....

              http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

              Bottom right hand corner under Feb 2010....

              Underemployment or u-6 means "U-6 Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force

              You know, I can ALWAYS back my claims with RELIABLE information, NOT mmfa talking points... satisfied????
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              • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 11:43 am ET)
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                You folks are really good at spinning, shilling and deflecting. As I said the UNDEREMPLOYMENT rate is 17% the highest it's been under ANY president since the "great depression".. GWB didn't even come close....

                The problem is that he (President Obama) is doing NOTHING except trying to push through the government meddling "health care reform (with NO reform))....

                JOBS, JOBS, JOBS .... or as Joe Biden said, "JOBS is a three letter word"....
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                • Author by mary59 (March 14, 2010 8:39 pm ET)
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                  There is a lot wrong with the employment situation, and to blame Obama is to ignore so much that has happened for the past 30 years.
                  First, our manufacturing base has been so decimated by multi-national coporations shipping jobs overseas to find cheap labor, that we don't have an easy time recovering jobs there. Our support services too have been outsourced. The tax benefits of out-sourcing have not been addressed in any fashion.

                  Then there is the military industrial complex, invested in war, which drains our coffers and maims and murders for profit.

                  With a stressed labor market, cheaper and cheaper wages versus inflation, you get higher debt. First credit card debt, then mortgage debt, and that well has run dry. If you want to blame the Obama administration and the Democrats, fine. But don't stop there.
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          • Author by mmfa.fan (March 13, 2010 9:39 am ET)
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            They were building prototype robotic bees. Do you know that bees are crucial to agriculture and our food supply, and that they are disappearing at an alarming rate for reasons not fully understood? This project is important. Without bees we would be in serious trouble.
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            • Author by mary59 (March 13, 2010 10:04 am ET)
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              shh. Don't tell Glen Beck about the robotic bees...I can see his chalkboard buzzing now....
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            • Author by Souvent22 (March 13, 2010 11:09 am ET)
                 
              mmfa,

              You're spot on. Anyone can take quick google search about "bee population, pollination" and find many papers and sites talking about the issue of bee populations and the worry for crops, etc. It is becoming a major problem. And really, 9.3 for research is kind of low because the "technology" that will come from making a miniaturized anything can have many applications. It's not about the robotic bees, this could deal with nano-tech, manufacturing processes, etc. I do though agree, only 1.66 jobs is kind of a let down. But in the grand scheme of things eh. 1.66 for 9.3, but I don't know how many came from the new highway project in Dallas, but the amount of money give was greater. Hmm...I wonder what the average job creation per million spent is with the stimulus spending.
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          • Author by Quicksilver M.S (March 13, 2010 10:16 am ET)
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            THE STIMULUS AFFECT!


            [http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/smokesomekill/Comments-Fun-Animiert-3/Domino.gif]

            Each Stimulus dollar spent affects not just the recipient, but all Americans.
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      • Author by seahawks123 (March 13, 2010 1:19 am ET)
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        So, 5 billion wasted is no big deal?
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        • Author by fantagor (March 13, 2010 2:31 am ET)
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          We still haven't found the 8.8 BILLION lost under Bush and the CPA in Iraq. So after we tackle that issue, THEN we'll worry about Sean's paranoid delusions and double standards as to what constitutes wasteful spending, such as the 3 TRILLION we are slated to ultimately waste on the Iraq War, and that's the BOTTOM estimate.

          Worse than that, in a recent poll of Iraqis, better than 90% of those polled would vote for Saddam Hussein if he were alive today. In other words, Iraq will once again revert to a dictatorship after the US leaves, thus making Bush's little desert boondoggle the BIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY AND LIFE IN US HISTORY.

          Randy
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          • Author by OTP (March 13, 2010 9:10 am ET)
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            and that makes 5 billion wasted as OK....

            Bush is the past, "Move On"... OH maybe that only applies to Clinton and the blue dress....
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            • Author by The_Cat (March 13, 2010 2:49 pm ET)
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              No, OTP, it doesn't make 5 billion wasted ok. It does, however, point out the vast level of hypocrisy at the FOX Propaganda network. You understand this, don't you? Sean Hannity working is feverish brain as fast as he can to 1) defend Bush/Cheney & Co wastes of vastly larger sums of money than $5 billion while 2) working equally hard to claim that the $5 billion he asserts the stimulus wasted is a VERY BIG DEAL.
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              • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 11:48 am ET)
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                If you weren't an mmfa shill, you'd admit that the 5Billion is a drop in the bucket.... Yet another left-wing nut special project netting 1.66 "new jobs" While the poor gut on the street suffers....

                In total the democrat party has WASTED 825Billion on NOTHING!!!!

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                • Author by mary59 (March 14, 2010 5:42 pm ET)
                     
                  democrat party doesn't exist.
                  Now, did you support the U.S. invasion of Iraq?
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                • Author by The_Cat (March 14, 2010 7:27 pm ET)
                     
                  I'm not an MMfA shill. Compared to the trillions wasted by Bush, Cheney & Co, I grant that $5 billion is a drop in the bucket. So, where was Sean's poutrage over that waste? Because he sure seems to be right on top of this paltry $5 billion, doesn't he?

                  You still massively fail to see the hypocrisy, I see. So, that would make you a FOX propaganda shill, then?
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          • Author by OTP (March 13, 2010 9:11 am ET)
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            Well "Randy" I guess it depends on who you poll.... The faux poll you site is nothing but racist lies.... Ever been there??? bet no!!!
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            • Author by fantagor (March 13, 2010 5:06 pm ET)
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              Why is my name in quotes? Do you even know what such quotations are used for?

              Here's a hint: they are used for dramatic effect as a qualifier, not randomly.

              But I "guess" you wouldn't "know things" like "that".

              """"Randy""""
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              • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 11:52 am ET)
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                "Randy" - this isn't an English or writing lesson.... You use them as you see fit.... Randomness would be R"an"dy....

                But now that you've ATTACKED, how about dealing with the TOPIC....???

                Ever been there???? Bet NO!!! prove your "poll" (wet dream)....

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                • Author by fantagor (March 14, 2010 4:24 pm ET)
                     
                  I've dealt with the topic. You so far haven't. Thanks for posting your right wing hate spew. Say hi to the billy goats for me.

                  Randy (still doesn't belong in quotes, as this is my name)
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            • Author by fantagor (March 13, 2010 8:03 pm ET)
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              The faux poll you site is nothing but racist lies.... Ever been there??? bet no!!!

              So in other words, to cite a poll one must have BEEN in the place the poll originated. Does that mean if you cite a poll collected from ALL 50 states,that YOU have BEEN to EVERY state, because data is only valid if recited by a person who has tactile experience in a region?

              I'm guessing logic isn't your long suit, and that debating is an even shorter one.

              Randy
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              • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 11:55 am ET)
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                well "randy", I have been to all 50 states (57 in the Presidents world).... But that doesn't matter. I tend to site polls from reliable sources, not your mmfa shilling points....

                Actually it has NOTHING to do with MY logic. The LOGIC, if you understood LOGIC is that your poll numbers are either made up by you or FAKE....

                Deflection, deflection, spin, lie....
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                • Author by fantagor (March 14, 2010 4:17 pm ET)
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                  Well "OTP" I don't know what to say except how DO you find the time to troll given your hectic travel schedule?

                  Randy (no quotes needed, that is my name, not a pseudonym)
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                  • Author by mary59 (March 14, 2010 5:45 pm ET)
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                    His 57 state cheap shot is lame and pathetic.
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                    • Author by soze169880 (March 14, 2010 7:38 pm ET)
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                      Seriously. Is that really all it's got? "57 state" jokes are for people who dream of someday having the wit to make a teleprompter joke. And after that, who KNOWS what'll happen? Maybe even giving someone a wedgie! ...no, no, too bold, baby steps.
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        • Author by aj.physics (March 13, 2010 4:27 am ET)
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          The point is that it wasn't wasted. It is being spent on research that is being used to advance technology and knowledge and will lead to not only new jobs, but new job markets in the future. These steps and projects will lead to a stronger economy which is what the stimulus was put in place to do.
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          • Author by OTP (March 13, 2010 9:13 am ET)
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            JOBs, the technology can WAIT... JOBS and I don't need one, BUT I have compassion and empathy for those Americans the DO need one... Something the left-wing nuts clearly lack!!!! JOBS. REAL JOBS not union government jobs....

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            • Author by ojnabieoot (March 13, 2010 12:37 pm ET)
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              Actually, most of the "left-wing nuts" want billions more in stimulus to go to small businesses, clean energy, infrastructure, and, yes, health care, BECAUSE of their empathy for the unemployed. Also, I don't think the unemployed are quite as picky about "union government jobs." Heck, that's a far more stable source of employment than large corporations, who can lay you off and ship your job overseas without any accountability.

              We can disagree about whether stimulus spending is the best way to create jobs, but to imply that the left doesn't care about the unemployed is just plain silly.
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              • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 11:59 am ET)
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                Well genius, if we all worked for the government NOTHING would EVER get done... The government produces NOTHING and is a consumer of wealth....

                I'm not implying that the left doesn't care..... I'm stating it outright, If the left DID care they'd get the President off this miserable excuse for health care "reform" and onto creating JOBS....

                and just exactly what is going to happen when the 825Billion runs out???? MORE job loss, that's what.....

                Oh BTW have you noticed the price of fuel creeping up, all it does is add to the cost of goods and services..... DO SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT COUNTS.... JOBS (and I don't need one)....
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            • Author by dmhack (March 13, 2010 8:52 pm ET)
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              Empathy, OTP?
              No Supreme Court appointment for you!
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            • Author by aj.physics (March 13, 2010 10:31 pm ET)
                 
              An incredibly small portion of the stimulus was used for research which was the presidents way of stating that yes we need jobs now, but we will also need jobs later, so lets put this small amount to contributing to jobs in the future.
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              • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 12:02 pm ET)
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                OK, so where exavtly are the jobs??? 17% (16.8%) UNDERemployment.... The worst since the great depression.....
                President Obama has a majority in the house AND senate (until recently a super majority in the senate).... He has the answers, so where are the jobs..... Lokks like "Wall Street" is doing pretty good, what with thier close ties to the President and franks, dodd.....
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            • Author by cyberstrike (March 14, 2010 3:50 pm ET)
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              You a compassionate conservative?

              From what I read from you in this thread and in others, if a person doesn't make at least a six-figure income then they don't deserve to live. Well I don't make a six figure income and I'm living on disability and I have been disabled all my life and right-wing nuts like you treat me like crap because as far as you and your kind are concerned I should be either homeless or dead.
              It was conservatives like you got the USA into this mess and don't want to help everyone that you guys screwed over for an immoral war in Iraq for nothing.

              Jobs are needed today, but if we don't have invest in the future then the USA is dead.

              What you think is a waste is a LONG term investment (something you probably don't understand) in the country's future something that could pay off in spades beyond President Obama's term and possible second term.

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        • Author by skiploader1111 (March 13, 2010 6:09 am ET)
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          I'm still waiting for the trillions of dollars not paid to the government in tax cuts for the rich that the Bush administration and Republican Congress passed that were supposed to create jobs to create a job.
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          • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 12:06 pm ET)
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            boy you must have been asleep.... the employment figures for MOST of the time bush was president, were VERY low. They did go up when the remocrat party took control of the senate.... I expect they'll go down in November when the repubs take back control (regardless of BHO, it's actually unfair to blame him for this mess)....

            Just take a look at the facts, dems in control of the congree, BAD employment numbers, which ALWAYS improve when repubs take over....
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            • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 12:10 pm ET)
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              Government tax cuts for the rich.... A 10% across the board (pre-school terms across the board = EVERYONE) tax cut is just like it says "ACROSS THE BOARD", NOT "for the "rich"....

              My goodness arithmetic 101, or 10% is 10%.... duh!!! OH I forgot the mmfa left-wing nut spin, spin and more spin......

              BTW exactly who are the rich, bill gates, soros, kennedys, jobs (steve), clintons, al gore.... funny who the "rich" are.... left-wing nuts feeding of the public.....
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            • Author by The_Cat (March 14, 2010 7:33 pm ET)
                 
              Oddly enough, unemployment goes down under Democratic leadership. Ironic, isn't it? The lowest unemployment numbers for any president since 1980? Those would be under former president Clinton. Don't let facts stand in the way of a good political fantasy though, OTP. I HATE when that happens.
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        • Author by skiploader1111 (March 13, 2010 6:27 am ET)
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          Apparently you didn't watch the Hannity's show. He accepted that the #1 wasteful item is important. By definition all of the other items are LESS WASTEFUL thus even MORE IMPORTANT.
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          • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© (March 13, 2010 10:17 am ET)
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            Skiploader, that's a fine point.

            But wingnutz don't process logic...it goes right over their heads.
            ~
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            • Author by skiploader1111 (March 13, 2010 10:59 am ET)
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              You're right. I shouldn't have had to even explain it. It's funny though that they never try to knock down how conservatives have just been exposed. They just move to spouting the next related lie presenting no evidence of anything. Just platitudes. Then that is debunked by someone else. Then they just try another lie after accepting that they just got caught lying again.
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            • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 12:12 pm ET)
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              anti-logic... the sum of the wasted "stimulus" is 825Billion... What hannity sites is just ONE example.... it would take DAYS to enumerate them all.... go ahead, deflect, spin and lie....
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    • Author by mmfa.fan (March 12, 2010 11:35 pm ET)
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      Does Hannity even listen to his minions?

      Also, are there any non-blonde women at Fox?
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      • Author by ojnabieoot (March 13, 2010 1:09 am ET)
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        On the first point: clearly not, but that wasn't even the worse thing that he did on today's show. Yeesh.

        On the second point: seriously! It's really beyond ridiculous at this point. Well, there's Sarah Palin, and I think there might be a brunette on Red Eye (maybe?), but I'm honestly hard-pressed to think of another non-blonde woman. This isn't even to mention the number of minority women there.
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        • Author by grmce (March 13, 2010 10:04 am ET)
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          I have been somewhat bemused by the "Pure Aryan" appearance of the Fox Females for some time. Always seemed a bit creepy - fetishist?
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          • Author by Unreality (March 14, 2010 3:25 am ET)
               
            Market research demonstrated that men are more likely to suspend disbelief when watching a blonde and act stupid. Put differently, they'll believe anything she says and keep watching.

            The research by French scientists was based on tests carried out at Paris Nanterre University where men were shown pictures of women with different coloured hair, then made to take a general knowledge test.

            Those who had been shown pictures of blonde women scored lower marks [exhibited less knowledge] than those who had been shown pictures of brunettes and redheads.


            Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-494787/Why-blondes-make-men-act-dumb.html#ixzz0i8KBhgZJ

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          • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 12:14 pm ET)
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            OMG a racist.... You don't like them becasue they're arian or because they're Caucasian.... bad.... go ahead spin and deflect....
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            • Author by soze169880 (March 14, 2010 11:07 pm ET)
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              [http://inner-moppet.net/morbo/pics/top.gif]
              RACISM DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!
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            • Author by Johaely (March 15, 2010 7:23 pm ET)
                 
              OMG a racist.... You don't like them becasue they're arian or because they're Caucasian.... bad.... go ahead spin and deflect....


              Two things. First is Aryan. and second WTF are you talking about?
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          • Author by John Paradox (March 15, 2010 7:44 pm ET)
               
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    • Author by ojnabieoot (March 12, 2010 11:42 pm ET)
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      The second dumbest thing about this: I don't think research assistantships are counted as "jobs" so much as a tuition fund with a stipend - they certainly wouldn't be a full-time job. But much - not most, but a good chunk - of that research money ultimately went to fund graduate students - people who will eventually earn a PhD. in engineering or applied physics, and quite possibly will work in industry. It's ludicrous to think that America's economy will grow if it doesn't retain its edge in science and technology.

      The dumbest thing about this: generously allowing that the government "wasted" $5bn in the stimulus, that's less than 1% of the entire bill. For someone who cheerleaded the "reckless spending" of $4 trillion in the Iraq War and $2 trillion in the Bush tax cuts, this strikes me as being pretty trivial - and utterly hypocritical.
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      • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 12:15 pm ET)
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        The dumbest thing.... "WASTE" of "stimulus" money, ONLY dumb if your a left-wing nutter..... Are you????
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        • Author by The_Cat (March 14, 2010 7:39 pm ET)
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          Do you splutter and stammer and spit all over your keyboard while you speak as you are typing? Remember this tip from Peg Bundy: Moving your lips and making sound is talking. Moving your lips and making no sound is reading.
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    • Author by Sharpe (March 13, 2010 1:03 am ET)
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      They are focusing on only the most ridiculous areas where the money went. How many jobs has the 700 billion that went to wall street created or saved? How many jobs were created as a result of the 1.5 trillion we spent on iraq and afghanistan in the last yr or the 55 percent of the budget that consistently goes to defense spending and does not include the war expenses. How many jobs has the trillion plus dollars in tax cuts for the rich created - oh thats right, the recession started after that. But it is still in place to this day.
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      • Author by ojnabieoot (March 13, 2010 10:06 am ET)
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        "How many jobs has the 700 billion that went to wall street created or saved?"

        Not to disagree with your overall post, but this actually seems to have saved scores of jobs. It should have been done better (e.g., full nationalization and government-mandated restructuring, depending on the case), but the collapse of Wall Street - which was eminent when TARP was passed - would have led to at least double the current unemployment rate, and TARP was a necessary evil. Like I said, I totally disagree with the management of the funds, but it certainly staved off a total depression.
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        • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 12:42 pm ET)
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          Saved a lot of jobs for the democrat party "wall street" gang... not many on "Main Street", if ANY....
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          • Author by The_Cat (March 14, 2010 7:41 pm ET)
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            Um, the 'Wall Street Gang' are hardcore Faux Con Republicans, OTP. Not a lot of liberals there.
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          • Author by 11b40v (March 15, 2010 1:59 pm ET)
               
            Was not the Wall Street Gang bailed out by Herr Bush??
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      • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 12:16 pm ET)
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        Prove 55% goes to defense, yet another mmfa talking point... The bulk of the budget goes to entitlement programs created by the left-wingers for the left-wingers....
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        • Author by soze169880 (March 14, 2010 6:35 pm ET)
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          I see, and YOU don't have to provide any proof.
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        • Author by 11b40v (March 15, 2010 2:31 pm ET)
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          2008 Military Budget- 481 billion
          2010 Military Budget- 681 billion

          2008 Veterans Administration Budget 48 million
          2010 Veterans Adminstration Budget 114 billion

          What world are you living in OTP? The military budget has been the largest budget item since 1980 when Ronnie started the out spend the Commies till they disappear policy.Every president since has continued this policy.Obama has more than doubled the VA budget in 1 year.FYI Bush cut the VA budget 4 years in a row from 04-08 to help fund the very war that was creating such a burden on the VA How does a left wing socialist spend more on his returning troops than the president that sent them in harms way to begin with? You need to quit spouting about Main Street and start living on it.
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    • Author by CuriousNecton (March 13, 2010 1:08 am ET)
         
      Gee, I can't IMAGINE how funding research at Harvard could possibly be good for the economy (;-). Also, he's got ten significant figures in his spending number. Does he realize that makes it one of the most accurate measurements ever made by mankind? Of course, he would need to have studied science at some point to understand that...
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    • Author by Dradeeus (March 13, 2010 1:12 am ET)
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      I think in his mind, the two words, "important" and "reckless" are actually interchangeable.
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    • Author by MagCynic (March 13, 2010 9:12 am ET)
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      $3 million dollars to create 1.66 jobs. Clap clap clap. Great job, government. Keep up the good work.
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      • Author by mmfa.fan (March 13, 2010 9:40 am ET)
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        See my comment above about bees.
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        • Author by mary59 (March 13, 2010 10:15 am ET)
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          Yep. The bee robots-- an interesting project with a number of applications.

          While spending taxpayer dollars to destroy infrastructure and maim and kill people gets a pass from these folks.
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        • Author by MagCynic (March 13, 2010 10:20 am ET)
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          Look. I'm not saying there aren't legitimate applications for this type of research. I'm saying it is clearly wrong for our federal government to be giving out money like this. I suppose you would classify this as providing for the General Welfare. To be General though it has to be applied across the country. You can't have these specific grants to specific localities and people. You also can't say, "Oh, metaphorically someday down the road we'll all be better because of these bees." It doesn't work that way. Using that interpretation of General Welfare means the government is no longer limited with specific enumerated powers. It moves into being a government that can do anything and say the ends justify the means. It's a dangerous road to take because someday, somewhere down the line a tyrant will be created because of it.
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          • Author by ojnabieoot (March 13, 2010 11:56 am ET)
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            The federal government has been funding research since before WW2. In fact, in the 50's 3% of GDP was federally-funded research. Although much research is privately funded, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that American science would not be where it was today with "specific grants to specific localities and people." Private funding inherently goes overwhelmingly only to research with immediate commercial applications; federal research is more long-term.

            As far as the idea that these sorts of grants lead to tyranny, I'm not exactly convinced, to put it mildly. First of all, it's totally consistent with the role of the Congress to give these grants. Second of all, there's a clearly established process: one has to demonstrate that one has the capability to perform the research to get the grant.

            "You also can't say, 'Oh, metaphorically someday down the road we'll all be better because of these bees.' It doesn't work that way."

            It actually sort of does. That's the point of making laws. This viewpoint hardly undermines the enumeration of powers, since it doesn't claim unlimited power in promoting the general welfare.

            Finally, as the last administration made so clear, if America does devolve into tyranny, it will be due to deliberately fraudulent elections (ask black voters in Florida during the 2000 election) and excessive military power in a unitary executive, not a legislative and executive emphasis on social democracy. FDR was nowhere near a tyrant, whereas W. Bush came closer than any other president. I don't claim that he was a tyrant, but hundreds of innocently imprisoned Muslims probably have a different opinion.
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            • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 12:44 pm ET)
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              NO problem with government funded research, BUT a problem with the WORST economy since jimmy carter and still NO JOB GAINs....

              17% (16.8%) UNDERemployment ugg!
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              • Author by The_Cat (March 14, 2010 7:46 pm ET)
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                Yes, and this economy was tanked by Faux Cons under their guiding principles: 1) cut taxes on the richest 1% because the poor have so much more disposable income 2) never spend money on infrastructure if instead you can bomb some far away land full of brown people at twice the cost 3) deregulate everything possible so there that no profits are taxed and all losses are underwritten by taxpayers.

                Hey, it's a brilliant system if you're in the top 1%, until it crashes and threatens the economy of the entire world. The funny (pitiful) part? They're still arguing that these are sound principles by which to run our country.

                You can teach a Faux Con, but you can't teach 'em much.
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              • Author by ojnabieoot (March 15, 2010 2:47 pm ET)
                   
                Erm, when you say "WORST economy since jimmy carter," I think you mean "Worst economy since ronald reagan," since that was the last time that unemployment reached 10%.

                Actually, you know what? Go ahead. Claim that Reagan inherited 10% unemployment in 1983 from Carter (whose presidency ended in 1981), but that somehow Obama didn't inherit 10% unemployment in 2009 from Bush.
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              • Author by ojnabieoot (March 15, 2010 2:47 pm ET)
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                Erm, when you say "WORST economy since jimmy carter," I think you mean "Worst economy since ronald reagan," since that was the last time that unemployment reached 10%.

                Actually, you know what? Go ahead. Claim that Reagan inherited 10% unemployment in 1983 from Carter (whose presidency ended in 1981), but that somehow Obama didn't inherit 10% unemployment in 2009 from Bush.
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      • Author by ojnabieoot (March 13, 2010 10:08 am ET)
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        And see my comment about the graduate students that weren't counted as jobs being "created." I say this as an American student currently funded by the Canadian government (since I'm a grad student in Canada), but the US stimulus created thousands of graduate student assistantships in engineering and science, who allow us to retain our edge in science.
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    • Author by GBU-15 (March 13, 2010 9:17 am ET)
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      Hannity's targets of wasteful spending were mostly research grants at Universities. Because a lot of this research is somewhat esoteric it is easy to slam as being wasteful. Research grants are necesary to keep our higher education at the cutting edge of knowledge. That is, if someone doesn't do the research from where will the next big breakthrough come? The other examples were somewhat more cynical. Attacking road and bridge projects in relation to the size of the populations being served. Conservatives and Libertarians always amaze me on this one. It's as if when they turn on the tap, cool clean water magically appears. Or when they flush their toilet, the water just dissappears. THIS IS GOVERNMENT AT WORK! Roads and bridges are not glamourous, and mostly barely even noticed. But they perform an essential function. But, most importantly, they have to be maintained. Yes someone actually has a job that makes cool clean water to come into your home someone has a job to maintain roads and bridges. This why we pay taxes. That is, your tax dollars make jobs! I relent my soapbox now. Trolls respond.
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    • Author by goshzilla (March 13, 2010 8:02 pm ET)
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      Oh my gawd they are advancing science, what a waste.
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      • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 12:47 pm ET)
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        Do you left-wing nutters have ANY care for the poor giy or gal that is a VICTIM of the WORST ECONOMY since jimmy carter???? Screw robotic bees.... Do SOMETHING for jobs....

        Even gwb did better than this after a MAJOR fascist-terrorist attack....
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        • Author by soze169880 (March 14, 2010 6:38 pm ET)
             
          Do you left-wing nutters have ANY care for the poor giy or gal that is a VICTIM

          Socialist.
          Even gwb did better than this after a MAJOR fascist-terrorist attack....

          Okay, seriously, leaving aside the fact that you apparently think letting bin Laden escape and spending your great-great-grandchildren's money on a war in a completely unrelated country constitutes "did better", I have to ask... how was 9/11 "fascist"? Do you have ANY IDEA what that even means? At all?
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    • Author by MaineiacMan (March 13, 2010 8:39 pm ET)
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      Bogus project, bogus spending.
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      • Author by DellDolly (March 13, 2010 9:31 pm ET)
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        Great post, man. I mean, even Hannity and his aide admit that it's important research, but YOU come here, and educate everyone that it's not with all your examples, with all your documentation about how it's bogus and worthless spending.

        Oops, that's right, you actually provided no evidence of your bogus claim and your bogus insult.
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        • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 1:04 pm ET)
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          oops dully, I think you forgot to pay attention in your effort to spout your mmfa talking points....

          The issue is NOT whether it's important BUT what's MORE important, JOBS, or research on robotic bees....

          the anti-logic of liberalism....



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    • Author by little poncho (March 14, 2010 11:57 am ET)
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      When kkklannity, talks about reckless stimulus waste,the one that got to me. He refered to the construction of a underpass for deer to cross under a road, he says is a waste of tax payers' "hard earned money".... If constructing this under pass prevents, ONE ACCIDENT, or SAVE ONE LIFE, or MANY LIVES' THRU THE YEARS.... THIS IS TAX PAYERS' MONEY WELL SPENT!!!! Hay kkklannity,take a ride out in the country sometime, deer run out in front of automobiles DRIVEN by republicans too!!!!!!!
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      • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 12:51 pm ET)
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        The true anti-logic of the left-wing nutters.... More people are killed by the stupid act of feeding the deer then by hitting them.... So ms logic... spend the money on shooting them and solve BOTH problems.... real left-wing nutter anti-logic.....

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        • Author by soze169880 (March 14, 2010 7:15 pm ET)
             
          Okay, seriously, O/T, you said "anti-logic" one post ago. Get new terminology, or don't accuse anyone else of using talking points (another thing you've done using the exact same phrasing at least twenty times).
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    • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 1:13 pm ET)
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      I really don't think any of you lefties actually believe that research on "robotic bees" is more important than your fellow human getting a job.... If I'm wrong go with the thumbs down....

      What is actually humorous is that just because President Obama and his ilk, were caught funding "robotic bee" research with money that suppose to be used for JOBS, you all will DEFEND the indefensible until they lock the comments... Then you'll just hope it'll go away and not resurface....

      So which is it, you really believe it's more important to fund "robotic bees research - thumbs down, or fund JOBS for you fellow Americans - Thumbs up.....
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      • Author by fantagor (March 14, 2010 4:21 pm ET)
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        Thumbs down for obviously trolling these boards copying and pasting the same shopworn right wing pap. No evidence, no logic, just random quotation marks, ad hominem attacks and babbling nonsense. Hope this gig pays better than your last job under the bridge.

        Randy (still doesn't require quotes, as this is my actual name)
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    • Author by mookie von zipper (March 14, 2010 11:45 pm ET)
         
      from the difference-between-facts-and-opinion dept:

      yet another specious item by media matters... do they even listen to the audio and videos they post?... hannity's reporter did not "acknowledge" the project is important, she "reported" that others felt it that was... just another example in the long series of liberals watching fox news not being able to discern fact from opinion...

      reporting from murderland ranch,
      i'm mookie von zipper
      massmurdermedia

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    • Author by Bill Wilson (March 15, 2010 10:21 am ET)
         
      She didnt really say it was "important." MM needs to fix the headline.
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