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Schultz says Fox & Friends' endorsement of "treating people like dogs" is "psycho talk"

March 13, 2010 11:23 am ET

From the March 12 edition of MSNBC's The Ed Show:

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Doocy's health care "fix":"Treat people like dogs"

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    • Author by Bad News (March 13, 2010 12:06 pm ET)
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      Steve Doocy, He may not be a Dog but he Damn Sure has Fleas.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by Bad News (March 13, 2010 12:14 pm ET)
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        Fox News, "If it Deceives it Leads"
        President Obama wants to stop Sport Fishing, Just on more "Fox" example of his Evil Deeds?
        A Retraction is almost never given, The Lie is left to Die where it Lay.
        It's a Sad Sight to watch Shepard Smith standing alone trying to keep the Jackals at Bay.

        Speak truth to power.


        Mr. News
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      • Author by dave (March 13, 2010 12:16 pm ET)
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        Schultz got one thing right...It is completely about the money.
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    • Author by tbone (March 13, 2010 12:47 pm ET)
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      I find both sides on this issue to be disingenuous. It is undoubtedly true there will be no death panels, however, to deflect that there will be real pressures around reducing near-end/end-of-life treatments due to costs by labeling it psycho talk is straight up avoidance.

      The leading edge of the tidal wave of baby-boomers hitting the medical system is now. If we don't start promoting people to develop living wills and express their DNR and medical power-of-attorney wishes, increased intervention by insurers and government is a near certainty.

      One more complex issue reduced to sound bites.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (March 13, 2010 1:09 pm ET)
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      perilsof the 24/7 short segment cycle.
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      • Author by dave (March 13, 2010 1:25 pm ET)
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        Doocy also made a good point.


        If only 3 percent of pet owners have insurance, by logic, 97 percent of other pet owners do not. Why should the 3 percent who have insurance for their pets pay also for the other 97 percent?
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        • Author by pete592 (March 13, 2010 2:01 pm ET)
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          We're talking about health care needs of people, not pets. Is there an epidemic of uncompensated emergency pet care costs that's being passed on to those 3 percent who do have pet insurance? There is no cost burden parallel that can be drawn between these two industries. To attempt to do so is nothing more than psycho talk.
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          • Author by dave (March 13, 2010 2:15 pm ET)
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            But the principle is still the same. Why should those who have insurance already be subject to paying for those who don't?
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            • Author by pete592 (March 13, 2010 2:34 pm ET)
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              I'm not saying that's how it should be, I'm saying that's how it already is. Remember, we have "the best health care system in the world" where "anyone can go to the emergency room and get free care." But what gets overlooked in all this promotion of the wonderful American health care system is the higher cost of emergency room care. When the uninsured and under-insured can't pay for expensive emergency room treatment, who do you think that cost gets passed on to?
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            • Author by loonz (March 13, 2010 3:39 pm ET)
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              Are you advocating we turn people away from the emergency room?
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              • Author by dirtylittlereligion (March 13, 2010 7:41 pm ET)
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                Yes. He is, though he didn't seem to take the trouble to repeat his opinion that I seem to remember seeing before.

                I find dave refreshing. At least he's not talking out of his @ss, claiming "compassionate conservatism" or that "he cares". He's very open that he doesn't give a sh!t about anyone except himself.

                I just hope more conservatives take to his example and stop pu$$yfooting around it.
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        • Author by loonz (March 13, 2010 3:58 pm ET)
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          That's not the point the idiot was making. It sounds like he was saying rather than paying for a whole bunch of tests, we should be paying for results albeit he said it in a F'ed up way. The current health care bill addresses the issue.
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        • Author by shag11 (March 13, 2010 6:05 pm ET)
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          Boy, you made a stupid comment. We (people) are aleady paying for those that don't have health insurance. When people without insurance go to emergency rooms, that cost is charge to we taxpayers. Boy you right-wingers just don't think. Seek-out your own info and quit listening to your masters, who are funded by corporations and don't really give a damned about you.
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    • Author by arkange1 (March 13, 2010 4:01 pm ET)
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      Good God, Fox and Friends has to be the dumbest show on Fox! I mean Beck and Hannity are more the crazy side with a dose of comic relief, but these guys are basically lacking in the IQ. Doocy and Kilmeade are just morons and Carlson brings in the blonde point of view, though I kind of wonder how much she fakes as she was smart enough to go to a decent college and graduate with honors!

      Where do these people come up with this stuff. I mean to state we should treat people like we treat our dogs is crazy and completely distorts what the vet was referring to. And yet there audience will eat it up!
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    • Author by ProgLib (March 13, 2010 4:38 pm ET)
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      Fox News is obsessed with bringing up these "death panels"... don't they ever learn to move on?

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      Liberty In Progress.
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    • Author by eb (March 13, 2010 5:31 pm ET)
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      treating people like dogs"

      Dogs are socialists!

      They do nothing and expect the better off to feed and shelter them, as well as provide for their health care. Dogs, except for the few that have jobs (guard dogs etc), do nothing but feed off the productive honest hardworking members of society. Feeding and caring for dogs redistributes wealth from the Dog owner to the dog and this is unjust. If a dog owner does not feed his dog, in most places they will be arrested by big government and its unconstitutional and progressive communistic Stalinist animal cruelty laws.

      True American patriots realize that dogs who refuse to take care of themselves, as well as work to increase the wealth of their owners, should be thrown outside until they find a way to be productive members of their households. Progressive communist liberals want big government to force you to take care of your dogs. They don't care if taking care of your dog means that you go broke or are too busy with the water dish and dog food to start your own business or pursue the American dream of being so rich that you don't have to work anymore.

      Maybe the American dream means that you become so rich you live like a dog and have people feed you and take care of you while you sit back and enjoy the good life with all your capital gains.

      Anyway---If we could only throw our dogs out until they learn to be productive and competitive, everyone could become rich and live like a dog. If some of the thrown out dogs become wild and rabid, that will be OK, the market will take care of them.

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      • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 1:56 pm ET)
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        now that is "psycho talk".... You and shultz should team up....
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        • Author by soze169880 (March 14, 2010 6:42 pm ET)
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          Really? I thought it was a pretty good impression of you people. Unless you're conceding that you're psychos. No disagreement here.
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    • Author by little poncho (March 14, 2010 12:05 pm ET)
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      The economy, must not be that bad, these clowns' are still employed.............
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      • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 1:58 pm ET)
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        I guess all you left-wing nuts haven't exactly figured it out yet... A good percentage of the unemployed and underemployed are the low-skill to no skill workers...
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        • Author by jjamele2880 (March 14, 2010 3:06 pm ET)
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          What's your point? Having few skills, or no skills, makes one less a human being? Not worth caring about? Should just curl up and die?

          We've figured you, and Dave, and BJ Fan, etc. out, just fine. You are all inhuman pigs who think that the worth of a person is found in the size of their bank accounts.
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          • Author by cyberstrike (March 14, 2010 3:52 pm ET)
               
            That's what most right-wing nutballs believe that the worth of a person is the size of a bank account.
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          • Author by dirtylittlereligion (March 14, 2010 10:19 pm ET)
               
            Agreed. And as much as I hate the constant comparisons to Nazism...is there really any doubt that their "let the unproductive(read: poor) die" attitude smacks of these two words?:

            Social Darwinism.
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        • Author by loonz (March 14, 2010 4:20 pm ET)
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          What skills do any of those people on FOX & Friends have besides being professional asssholes?
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          • Author by soze169880 (March 14, 2010 6:43 pm ET)
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            I've heard Beck can drink Tom Waits under the table.
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          • Author by The_Cat (March 15, 2010 1:32 am ET)
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            That post inspired an idea for a new rule, loonz: If you lie like a rug, you should get paid like a carpet cleaner. I'd like to watch Doocy, Kilmeade, and Carlson get by on $35k a year. Oh! The sticker shock!
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    • Author by moment_um (March 15, 2010 5:10 am ET)
         
      Life is not black/white ,either/or or good/evil,good/bad-nor does all the world think with 'duality'-which is a major cognitive distortion which I find prevalent in the right-wing mentality.I have insurance now,but when I didn't any family ER visits were paid by me one way or another.You make arrangements with the business office to make partial payments monthly,or if you don't if you work they will have your wages garnished.Where the republicans, or even 'independents' like glenn beck, who think so much of their own self interests,tend to think they are 'superior' they don't give a damn about anyone else's wellbeing,even children.A taxpayer pays whether they are right or left wing or center.Jumping to conclusions and making assumptions are also cognitive distortions.If the right has its way they will soon advocate turning people away from ER's/Dr care. They've already advocated loss of benefits for anyone/everyone that they can.A'just world philosophy' is also a cognitive distortion,that people get what they deserve.It's almost a conspiracy theory that assumes that right-wingers are the only ones who deserve healthcare because they have it and pay for it or are paying for healthcare for everyone else.Even people who work at fast-food restaurants pay taxes and or can have their wages garnished.Even homeless people are given and sent the bills, very few people choose to be homeless ,and are not necessarily losers like right -wingers think; also if they become not homeless and work, the bills are still there and will find them.The republicans don't seem to be able to clearly see or give a damn about the consequences of their actions.I doubt very much there would be so many indigent in the first place if not for them.Something is terribly wrong with our government system when so many of the people making the laws are millionaires who only care if they've got theirs and obstruct any universal healthcare, as well as want to get rid of social security and medicare.They prove every day their thinking is defective when they cant even sort reality from fantasy.The 'lack of causality ' is also a cognitive distortion,an extremely serious one, in which they have no correct distinction of cause and effect.Anyone in a country that has universal healthcare doesn't mind paying more taxes, since they have so many benefits including maternity/paternity leaves/guaranteed unemployment etc.and can still afford to own their own home.

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