Doocy: "Do you feel like your side was able to make these American textbooks more pro-American?"
March 15, 2010 7:41 am ET
From the March 15 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
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More generally, boycotting an entire state is a pretty divisive stance to take. Just because the Texan power structure is dominated by far-right conservatives doesn't mean that Texas itself is quite as far-right - as many residents of Austin will attest. Texas is a great centre of American culture and industry, and should be celebrated as such.
But I can barely stand the institutional stupidity in my own state, Louisiana...I have no inclination to contribute to the economy of any other states whose politics are dominated by religious extremism and stupidity.
A public school kid was being called "Jew boy" and his mother complained at a school board meeting. An adult at the meeting responded that if he didn't want to be called "Jew boy" he should accept Jesus as his savior. The family received telephone threats after this. How does this continue in the 21st Century? What the hell is wrong with us?
Here's a link to the story
It's as clear to me as Sarah Palin's reason for quitting her job.
"Pro-American" = white southern conservative
"Nuclear option" = budget reconciliation
Just 2 examples ...
If you live in Texas and care for your kids.. MOVE! Quickly!
I don't recommend Idaho.. Not much better here. Thank God that I have Educated my Kids enough to know the Truth..
Someday the Open Minded Kids of today will Fight it out with the delusional Uneducated MINORITY Much like today.. I think it is sad that this continues for another generation.
Please note that My PROGRESSIVE Kids will Stomp on these Obtuse Morons.. Just as we MUST today.. We MUST NOT lose The Fight.. For the Children.
Fox Is Damaging America!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/09/liberty-university-studen_n_491297.html
You betcha!!! :-)
The problem with Texas is that big money invariably goes to the shameless conservative candidates - like Perry, for instance. Further, 527's are quite powerful there, and stoke the Culture Wars for short-term political gain, despite the long-term societal damage.
Liberals who condemn "red states" as backwards and ignorant express nothing more than bigotry and intolerance. Texas is as ideologically diverse as the rest of the United States; they just happen to be somewhat right-of-centre.
I think you are being waaaaay too kind. My personal observations in Texas lead me to conclude that most Texans would call anyone who is "somewhat right of center" a flaming liberal...and worse.
But I think we should distinguish between Texan domestic politics and how Texas goes nationally. It's true that Texas has supported conservative presidential candidates post-LBJ, and that most of its senators have been conservative Republicans. But this is not true in the House, where many Texan Democrats are fairly liberal. It's also not true in state politics; the right dominates most of the scene, but certainly not all of it.
In particular, Hispanic communities in Texas are reliably Democrat (since the GOP is stupidly ignoring their concerns in a last-ditch effort to retain a dwindling white vote), and they are growing in influence. I think Texas may go blue by 2016 - certainly Texan conservatives have gone too far, and I don't think they'll continue to hold the support of most Texans. Back to the point: it seems that their domination of the education board was not done with the most pure of democratic principles, to say the least (i.e., lobbyists and big money, and lots of it); I think many - if not most - Texans, if they know what the textbooks are being changed to, would protest.
(But maybe not. Texans can be fickle, as Ann Richards will attest to.)
But I agree, this textbook business is very disturbing.
You know it's really surprising but alot of people here are quite liberal. If the minorities would go out and vote, I'm willing to say that we'd always have Democrats in power. But there has been alot of funny business like gerrymandering districts (thank you Tom Delay) in our politics for some time now.
But remember some great Americans like Bill Moyers and Molly Ivins (RIP) hail from here. And baby doll, I live here, although I'm considered a damn Yankee being from NY/PA....;-0)
But as bintx said, it is a very diverse and wonderful state. Don't be hatin' all of us....;-) I don't know what type of individual you are, but a trip to Big Bend alone is worth a visit. And we have some world class birding here if you're into that. The history here is unique and interesting and there truly are some great people as well.
Hmmn, I'm sounding like a tourist board....ha! Must be the former travel agent in me.
BTW, our wildflowers this year should be spectacular.
He admits it and is PROUD of his F'ed up ideas..
Say what you want.. Texas has Serious issues.. YOU are the ones who vote these dirtbags in..
Thanks for Bush by the way.. He NEVER would have gone as far and done as much damage if it was not for Texas..
Please understand I know how it is to live in a "redstate", I have lived in several.. One that had KKK TV on Public access.. I moved..
If my state did any such thing to my kids education I would Move them out as soon as I could... same day!
When stories like these hit the presses, do you blame us for seeing your state as a home for ignorance, stupidity and blind religiosity?
There is less than one day left before the BREITBARTOCALYPSE is upon us!
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I wish that you had your brain reset, when we Sprung Ahead!
History can be so inconvenient when you don't want the reality of nuance and shades of gray mucking things up
"...Diamonds in the dung heap." This nonsense about Jefferson and religion is just ignorance. This idea of Jefferson has been around since, at least, the election of 1800.
Jefferson on Religion
Here you have it folks. Naked bias pure and simple, shoved down our children's throats. Our history exists only to make us pro-American. Period.
This is the Fox News view in general, by the way. Of course, if we have to distort history to be pro-American, thats ok because it makes us feel better about ourselves. If we have to force an unrealistic and distorted version of American exceptionalism to be pro-American, at least we don't have to think too hard to be patriotic. If we have to lie and distort to drag down an Administration that does not represent real America, thats ok too.
If a certain ideology (anti government, pro market) makes us feel better about ourselves, then it must be more correct in its purist extreme form. If patriotism means looking at your country's in a simplified and polarized way, then the more polarized and simplified the better.
These conservatives are too weak and frightened to look honestly and deeply at the country they supposedly love. They prefer their mistress to wear a burka, even in bed.
They can't comprehend what America is and has always been. A diverse country with diverse opinions that has been struggling to reach ideals, making mistakes along the way. Look at how scared and weak they are! Beck, for example must distort history to make progressives evil. Why? Because the the legacy of the progressives complicate his safe little narrative that makes the good guys pure and most of the messy problems go away. An honest assesment of the progressive brings up disturbing challenges to their narrow and ideologically pure view of reality. Cowards!
Instead, they discussed the word "capitalism." It was taken out, and the words "free enterprize" was substituted. According to her, capitalism has been associated with phrase like "Capitlaist pigs", and had a negative connotation.
Do I hear Frank Luntz? They are pushing an agenda.
Actually free enterprize for these conservatives really means: entitled to success in business because there are no obligations to society - no taxes, no regulations, no unions. Free profit!!!!
Once they completely defeat all their adversaries and have ideological purity, they no longer will make mistakes. Some day we will live under global free market bliss - history will end. Blah blah blah...
* you will not literally be tarred and feathered.
Emphasis on whitewashing...
Also, you think Doocy would at least try to be a bit more subtle than that. Sure, his career is nothing more than a propaganda spout for the far-right, but if Fox insists on pretending to be a news network, Doocy should pretend to be a fair analyst. But I guess blatant propaganda is easier and better for the ratings, which is clearly all Fox cares about. Sigh.
The forth of July is not appreciated by many people to this day, because when the United States gained independence from England, the poor whites, women, blacks, and indians were still oppressed for many years. Everything most Americans consider a great holiday has a horrific background behind it. Example: Columbus Day! LMAO! That holiday is a joke!
Personally, I've always felt that the U.S. really is the greatest country, generally speaking... but is that something that should be in a text book? Is it a verifiable fact, or an opinion? Is that teaching History or Jingoism?
If the point of writing textbooks is to proclaim that America "is still the greatest nation on Earth", you've got the wrong idea. The point of history is to educate children about what has and has not worked in the past for America.
That should include the embarrassment of Vietnam and the tragedies that befell America from attacks such as Pearl Harbor and 9/11. America is not a perfect and complete union, and children should be educated that.
You cannot learn from your past by ignoring it.
What is really sad is the fact that a lot of these children who are receiving this indoctrination will leave the US on holiday and go overseas where people will laugh at them when they repeat all the false history they have got from their text books.
They will be no better than kids in North Korea.
Amen to that. The challenge in teaching History is to enable students to analyze what happened and why. Memorizing names and dates is only part of it; understanding the ramifications of historical events is crucial to understanding History. I had college history professors who would not penalize you for misstating a date, as long as you demonstrated understanding of the event and its consequences.
Students cannot learn real history if you gloss over the unflattering parts because they're "un-American".
At first I though the term meant that we hold ourselves to higher standards and will be a light for the rest of the world. But the term is used today to promote torture and ignorance.
Instead of learning from our mistakes, now we never admit to having made mistakes.
You can not build a great nation by ignoring the difficulties and problems that have occured while building it. For example, the fact that we still struggle with the notion that all men are created equal just shows that we have always had lofty and ambitious goals. The fact that reaching our goals have been difficult and mistakes have been made, just means that we have to work harder for a greater result.
These fair weather patriots that want it all to be sugar coated are really lazy and frighted by the thought that we might have to work hard and accept unpleasent things to reach our lofty ideals.
FFS, man!
Textbooks are terribly important for our democracy, since the view of history they present is frequently the only one our citizens will ever see. The Texan textbook censorship clearly intends to indoctrinate children with ideas that have no logical basis and therefore no place in a secular educational curriculum.
One way to stop this nonsense would be to bring a law suit against the schools for teaching religion, in violation of the constitution. If the suit is successful, the resulting cost of recalling all the textbooks and printing new ones would be so great as to discourage all such ventures in the the future.
Jack Webb became the spokesman for all historians and scientists when he uttered the immortal words, "We want the facts, Ma'am. Just the facts."
These people are crazy and scary.
Damn capitalist, that Jefferson!