Rush accuses Obama of "lying through his teeth" in Fox News interview
March 18, 2010 12:56 pm ET
From the March 18 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
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Says the one who has never got anything right.
I have never said any "crap" - only truth, you people just don't like hearing the truth.
Uh....no you don't. You have some unfinished business from yesterday that you are still ignoring. We showed you irrefutable evidence that you are still running away from.
What a phony you are.
Did you not actually read the Branchflower report?
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However, without regard to degree I oppose his policies because I sincerely believe they are destructive.
I may be a bit emotionally based in terms of my contempt for him as a man, but my opposition to his polices are predicated upon logic and reason. They are sincerely held.
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Right. Like when you said that Jesus was Catholic and ordained the first pope? Like when you said that there was "no evidence" that Paul the Apostle was exposed to Hellenistic culture? Like when you said that the US joined the second world war in Europe to shut down the concentration camps? I could go on, those are just from the last few days.
You're a joke and it's equal parts pitiful and hilarious that you invent a persona for yourself and come here to fail over and over again.
Clarence Thomas is my favorite SC Justice. Is he yours? If not you are a racist.
I gave Alan Keyes $100 (in his 2004 Senate race against BHO (I knew BHO was a fraud way back). Did you? If not you are a racist.
I voted for Alan Keyes in the 2000 GOP presidential primary because I despise the thought of a black man being president. Did you support Keyes? If not you are a racist.
Bobby Jindal is not white. Do you support him? If not you are a racist.
Which party has a black man as its Chairman? Is it Michael Steele's party or Tim Kaine's party?
My first choice to be the next nominee for SCOTUS is Janice Rogers Brown because I despise the idea of a black woman on SCOTUS.
Your text to link here...
Good luck trying to rebut this. I suspect that nobody cank, so you will resort to calling me stupid, a liar, and a racist. When you do, that basically means you concede the point.
This is the same publication that said Dr Hawking wouldn't have survived under the British NHS system... please
The article is entitled 5 reasons the CBO figures are phony. #1 says (See number 3)
IBD is a joke, so it's no wonder you reference them.
Please don't feed this troll. The link he provided is full of the same nonsense that MMFA fights against every day.
Look, the narrative that Fox, Rush, and all the other anti-Obama players out there is trying to push is the whole "process matters" argument.
They can no longer push the "Health care reform is not necessary" argument, because nobody is buying it.
They can no longer say that "Health care reform will bankrupt us" argument, because the CBO says it will reduce the deficit.
All they can say is that "The American People don't want it.", but they really don't know that... they only know this from the vocal Tea Party minority.... they cite polls only when they support their narrative
When you run out of stories to tell and narratives to sell, you resort to the second grade argument... "Liar, liar, pants on fire."
The GOP has no soul... they are hypocrites and fakes.
And if they were truly Christian, they would follow the bible... Matthew 25:41-46 says that what you do to the least of us you do to Jesus. The GOP wants to ignore the least among us and let them die...
amen
But thanks for that sage advice - "Go to the ER."
Genius.
I've seen it done many times.
Back in the days of BBSes, there was one 'character' created by a friend of mine that he 'gave' to me when he got tired of it. There was a post I read while signed on under it that basically 'promoted censorship for people we don't like'. I noted what was done and was 'flamed' for promoting censorship, until I noted that what the original post had done.
I got one response... everyone else shut up. (a la BJF when he's been smacked down with Facts)
Seahawk, what would you do if the insurance that you say you pay $500/mo was to be revoked? You were cancelled... what would you do?
You are paying entirely too much for health care coverage. I am a retired state employee who pays @ $100/mo for coverage from United Healthcare. What makes the amount I pay and the amount you pay different is the size of the pool (millions) and the fact that the state has more power to bargain with insurers on prices and coverage. I still have private insurance, get to choose my doctor, have lower costs for doctor visits, pay less for prescriptions, etc. I have a form of the public option at a state level. During open enrollment, I can choose from among at least 8 plans from top insurance companies.
If we had the public option, this is what would most likely happen to your rate and the rates of millions of other citizens, but the problem is that some in the MSM have deliberately misled people on the benefits of the public option and of health care reform. As I see it, these MSM players who have misled millions have done it to protect the profits of the large insurance companies over the welfare of the "little" people like the citizens.
Very true, and no thanks to Republicans, who were busily trying to kill it when it was passed originally back in the 60s. Reagan claimed it would be socialism! Socialism, I tells ya! And the end of freedom in America! He was wrong. So wrong, in fact, that now the Republicans are trying to block health coverage reform because they say it will cut funding for Medicare/Medicaid. They're lying about that, of course, but funny how they are suddenly champions of socialist policy if it will get them re-elected!
That's patently false. Americans die every year from lack of coverage. 15 times as many as died on 9-11, for which the Republicans added a whole new wing to the bureaucracy, stripped the American people of Constitutionally protected freedoms, and went from a budget surplus to a deficit ranging in the trillions of dollars, all without batting an eye.
Again, this is patently false. I have private insurance, which does a credible job serving me and my family. However, with a government provided non-profit public option, my insurance company would have big incentive to find ways of doing things better, more efficiently and less expensively, and, more to the point, of passing those savings on to ME along with millions of other Americans if they wished to keep me as a customer.
I'm really too much of an iconoclast to be labeled as liberal, progressive, conservative, Faux Con, etc. About the only thing I'm emphatically NOT is a teabagger.
Out of curiosity, seahawks123, why do you defend the insurance companies? What have they ever done for you, aside from raise your premiums?
Required ER treatment is NOT sufficient to care for health needs of uninsured and underinsured and unable to be insured Americans.
You're lying when you assert that it is sufficient.
Should the patient wait until it's an emergency, he's coughing up blood, before he can get treatment?
How about hemochromatosis? A patient has to have blood removed on a regular basis (at least a liter) to reduce their iron levels. Should the patient wait until he suffers liver failure (a complication) before he can be bled out?
45,000 American deaths associated with lack of insurance.
How much your insurance is per month is up to your insurance company... If you lived in California and were insured by Anthem, your insurance would have gone up from $500 to $700/mo. Fortunately the liberal state of California has halted that until the insurance commissioner can validate the spike in costs.
The cost of insurance has never gone down. Every year the price goes up and the only way to make it more affordable is to up the deductible or minimize services.
All we can hope for now is to slow down the cost increases and see what these exchanges can do for competition... right now, the insurance companies are in collusion and are a monopoly.
My company went to an HSA this year. The premiums are cheaper, but the deductible is $6000, so, it's essentially a major medical policy. I just feel lucky to have insurance at all.
A nurse's note in Murray's records at 11:56 p.m. said Penn "refused to accept patient due to no medical insurance."
Read the article next time.
If you knew anything about health insurance, and healthcare you would know that preventative medicine reduces costs. Having people go to the ER to get treated for something that could have been prevented increases medical costs. Going to the ER is not the answer because the ER is already overcrowded, overworked, and unable to treat the life threatening conditions that take priority over someone who is sick with the flu, but can not see the doctor because of no insurance.
Let me put this as simple as I can for you. If the numbers of people with healthcare coverage increases, more conditions are treated earlier, resulting is lower costs, and no ER trips. Due to the nature of provider contracts it costs less for an individual to see a doctor routinely then to go to the ER when the condition has become severe. Your $500 a month goes into a pool. The larger the pool of insured, the less your premiums will be unless your employer decides to make you contribute more. The smaller the pool, the more your premiums will be. Therefore, if you want to spend less then $500 per month you should be praying that reform passes so that your insurance pool increases. However, I suspect you are one of those people who feel that you got yours, so screw everyone else.
You never tire of displaying your ignorance, do you, seahawks123?
He uses phony math to run the government, but his alternate reality doe not apply to the real world/private sector. He wouldn't know this because he has NEVER had a job in the private sector.
The Heritage Foundation did a study which states that premium will rise by roughly 60%. That means you will be paying $800/month in addition to your taxes rising to pay for illegal aliens and other moochers.
What have the insurance companies been doing the last 50 years? Why, raising premiums! Have they EVER gone down? Why, no they haven't. So, why should I believe a conservative think tank who is on the side of the industry that caused the problem to begin with?!
Do you know WHY health costs are 1/6 of our GDP? Because these costs are significantly less for the same or better coverage in the rest of the industrialized world. Why? Because we have for profit health insurance. That's why. People whose basic job is to take your money, and then keep it, while letting your family die and cutting themselves fat bonus checks. They can see that this gravy train is ending, and they are screaming about it. "But we've been legally robbing the public all these years! What will we do? Where will we go? What's to become of us?" Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
How clueless must you be to think that using an thing accidentally said that isn't what he EVER meant to say is appropriate or wise!
The CBO, a non-partisan group without an agenda (unlike the highly partisan HF which ALWAYS has their agenda in the forefront of ANYTHING they push), has said that premiums for identical coverage will, for most people, go down.
Did it ever occur to you that many life-threatening illnesses need to be caught and treated BEFORE things are so serious that you feel a need to go to an emergency room? Even once?
I didn't think so.
The year long lies about the bill, in order to kill the bill were an epic fail on the part of Rush and his clones. Now all they have in their bag of lies is playing the fiscal conservative card. Funny after the 8 years of reckless spending.
They are also trying to make the bill illegitimate by blatantly lying to the public and claiming that the bill is not being passed through the proper "process". This is the same strategy the birthers use to somehow make the President an illegitimate President.
Great quote from Matthew. However, don't expect the Evangelical crowd to embrace that view. They are currently working hard to rewrite the Bible because it is too liberal.
Rush did.
"Based on what happened to me here, I don't think there's one thing wrong with the American health care system. It's working just fine, just dandy."
Rush Limbaugh
"Nobody pushed that argument..."
In the beginning the right kept claiming that our health care system is the greatest in the world and there was no need for change.
I have no idea if the CBO will be accurate or not... but at least they care about what they say. The CBO projected a $400 billion increase to the deficit for fiscal years 2004 to 2013, after the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization act.
That is a cumulative $4 trillion added to the deficit....how close are they there?
As far as what would I do... I would stop insurance companies from rescission and denying coverage for pre-existing conditions and all the other illegal practices... but you know what, the only way I can do this is to ask my representative to vote for this bill.
I know someone who had brain cancer and didn't have insurance and in order to qualify for Medi-Cal he had to spend his last $15,000 in savings towards his treatments and move in with his parents before he could get help from the government to pay for his treatment. His life was extended for a little over a year. He held his 50th birthday party and family and friends from all over came and saw him.
The fact that he had to bankrupt himself to get the treatment he needed is wrong. I feel ashamed when I think that, as a society, this was the best we could do for him.
My point with the CBO was that it's projection for the Medicare Modernization Act was spot on, we just chose to ignore it then. To say that Medicare is losing money is true and the CBO said it would... adding over $2 trillion to our national debt so far...unless you're one of those who believes that President Obama created the $10 trillion debt himself.
Our health system is the greatest in the world, but not everyone in this country has access to it.
So, if the bill contained a clause making it mandatory to kill puppies, you'd still want it passed just because it contained a few good things?
Yes... that is how are laws are made. The banking reform act had a clause that allowed guns in national parks. I wasn't for that, it was a banking bill, but I wasn't going to say no to it because of that one ammendment.
I look at the entirety of the bill and I like most of the things that are in it.
Sec 1001 I am in favor of all sections... for those who haven't read the bill, it includes:
The prevention of lifetime or annual limits (sec 2711)
The prevention of rescission (Sec 2712)
The coverage of preventive health services (2713)
The extension of dependent coverage (2714)
The stoppage of pre-existing conditions (sec 1101)
I am in favor of Sec 1101 which provides access for uninsured with pre-existing conditions
Sec 1102-1104 are administrative rules that I have problem with, but doesn't excite me.
Sec 1105 is the effective dates which are too far out for my tastes, but I understand the reasons for them to do that.
Sec 1201 is fairly redundant, but I am in favor with all the reforms.
Sec 1251 preserves the right for me to keep my current insurance. I am in favor of that.
Can you explain to me what Sec exactly are you against?
As far as fixing Medi-Cal (the states administrate Medicaid, in case you weren't aware) I agree, it needs fixing...but universal coverage would prevent the need for fixing it... the basic problem was that he didn't have insurance.
It wasn't a government bureaucrat who decided anything, it was the law and these people are just following the laws that we create. Insurance companies bureaucrats actually do make decisions for profit that decide peoples lives.
Sec. 2714. Extension of dependent coverage.
- This seems so arbitrary and invasive in how the government tells a private insurer to run their business. Why 26? Why not 29? Why not 21?
Sec. 1101. Immediate access to insurance for people with a preexisting condition.
- This is good in theory, but this is one of the reasons premiums for everybody will increase. It costs money to cover people that require expensive treatments. And this doesn't automatically mean someone with a preexisting condition will get coverage. It just means companies can't deny coverage based on this factor. They can still jack up their rates to cover them.
Sec. 1103. Immediate information that allows consumers to identify affordable coverage
options
- Didn't they just spend $18 million to redo the recovery.gov website? I wonder how much this new, unnecessary website will cost?
Sec. 2701. Fair health insurance premiums
- Another arbitrary standard. It uses tobacco to set limits but not alcohol, drug use, level of exercise, etc. Why just limit it to tobacco?
Sec. 1303. Special rules.
- One of these rules states that "at least one plan provides coverage of abortions beyond those permitted by Hyde". I know this has been a controversial issue but it seems clear from this statement and others that federal funds are going to find their way into abortion clinics one way or another.
Sec. 1323. Community health insurance option.
- This sounds like a public option to me. Or at least a start to it.
This is getting way too long. The more I read about it the more things keep on popping up that sound good on paper but - with government bureaucrats involved - will turn into terrible things in practice.
The difference is that a private bureaucracy, whether it's a health insurance company, bank, AT&T, or Boeing, doesn't have the interest of the common person at heart, they have a fiduciary responsibility to their stockholders. So, in the case of Anthem, they will have death panels... something that is often attributed to the government when the reality is that it's the private sector that has them and exercises them today.
The days of town doctor who will handle your day to day medical needs just isn't real anymore. I live in a city with 212,000 people in a county that in 2000 had 3 million people and may have grown to 4 million after our next census.
Statistically some 70,000 of my neighbors do not have insurance and up to 1.2 million of my fellow county members are without insurance.
I do not have the "I've got mine, go screw yourself" gene in my body, if my neighbor needs help, I will give whatever I can to help him.
doing nothing and letting the Health Insurers continue on their despicable ways does not seem right to me, it just seems as if we do nothing we are rewarding bad behavior.
He also told him:
Then, in response to a question about paying taxes and honoring the laws of Caesar, Christ said:
Christ wasn't really into money or possessions. Those were things of the world. It didn't matter to him how the poor were cared for as long as they were cared for by their neighbors.
Guess you missed this part "It didn't matter how the poor were cared for as long as they were cared for by their neighbors." Read it in context, that included paying taxes, Beck-clone. You just seemed to miss that point, didn't you? Have difficulty with reading comprehension often?
Christ told people to sell all their possessions and give them to the poor. He also told them to pay their taxes.
Nice try, though, Beck-clone.
Again, I'll ask, why is it that you seem to know so much about the braying jack-ass's personal giving and personal thoughts? Do you have access to the hell-hole inside his skull? If so, you have my condolences.
They mocked him, saying "no hand outs here, we work for what we got" and then one guy throwing dollar bills at him saying "I decide who I help"
That is what you describe looks like..
I'll comment on just the 48 seconds I saw nonetheless. Those people could have handled him in much more civil matter. Especially the gentleman throwing dollar bills at him. That was rude. On the other hand people who beg like that (and it was a set up I assume) shouldn't expect any help whatsoever. You go to places where you know they will help. You don't just find a spot on the street saying, "Change? You got any change?" It's pathetic and it demeans yourself.
Christ wouldn't care one way or the other as long as you obeyed the laws of the land and that you cared for your fellow-man. He didn't really care about how it was done as long as it was done.
You were wrong, Beck-clone. BTW, you didn't answer my question about how you know so much about the inner workings of the hell-hole inside your duplicate's thick skull. How is it, Beck-clone?
curious that.
President Obama wants to focus on Americans in trouble because of the status quo in Health Care
When a house is on fire, you don't harass the fire department on the route they took to get to your house... you ask them to put out the fire.
I remember someone suggesting that we were just being mean by calling him SeaSlug, like he deserved some respect, like he had demonstrated at least a few times that he was interested in participating in a debate based upon factual information!
It wouldn't have mattered to you what he said, seahawks or whichever one of you is using the seahawks login today, you would have disagreed with him.
[A friendly hint: when you are going to take turns using the "dumb" screen name, make sure that you keep up the facade of poor sentence structure, bad grammar, horrible punctuation and misspelled words. Seahawks wouldn't know how to spell "filibustered."]
Official Republican talking point of March 18, 2010. Nonsense, but you'll keep hearing it!
Obama is, gasp, a politician.
Here's another clue - healthcare reform is a very complicated effort - there aren't any short answers to any questions.
Here's another clue - when one is asked loaded, politically partisan questions with lots of spin, it's unfair to expect ANY politician being asked to ANSWER those questions to give short answers.
Here's one last clue - Obama WOULD have given MORE answers to those questions had Baier not continually been interrupting him!
G W Bush Never Lied !
Rush as if YOU do not Lie!
As if Glenn always tells Gods Truth!
So Bush can spend billions, trillions bringing democracy to a country on the other side of the world, to a country where its more Islam than christianity (Oh My God!) and you know, they're Iraqi's, not American.
BUT! healthcare for uninsured Americans?, let them get they're own insurance the lazy unpatriotic wasters, that'll waste money.
Strange?
Oh ya, and I thought ye were still in Iraq, thats probably what happened, and even if ya think about it, aren't ye on the road to pulling out of Iraq, whilst also on the road to changing healthcare, maybe thats what all those people where on about seahawk.
And reading his bio, FOX News management group seems to be an odd place for him to drop anchor.
From Baier's comments on January 25, 2008, regarding the documentary he had done on Bush called, George W. Bush: Fighting to the Finish. Apparently, Baier just "forgot" that Lincoln didn't leave office voluntarily . . . he was shot in the head at Ford's Theater.
Do they not have a duty and responsibility to civility? Nothing good will come out of this, NOTHING!. Like the titled of the movie said "There Will Be Blood".