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Hemmer perpetuates debunked health care myth: "Could people be going to jail for not owning health insurance?"

March 19, 2010 11:28 am ET

From the March 19 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:

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Quick Fact: Limbaugh falsely claims Dems' health care bill "puts people in jail" for not having health insurance

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (March 19, 2010 11:30 am ET)
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      Would health care reform pay for Bill Hemmer's sex change operation?
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    • Author by MagCynic (March 19, 2010 11:36 am ET)
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      Gotta love it when the government wants to tax us for living.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (March 19, 2010 11:39 am ET)
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        In most states you can be fined for not having auto insurance. You have a problem with that, too?
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        • Author by MagCynic (March 19, 2010 11:45 am ET)
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          Completely different situation. I don't have to own or drive a car as a function of living. Nobody is forcing me to drive a car. I am compelled to live, though. Not only that, the states decide whether to require car insurance. If you want to drive but not pay for car insurance you have the option of moving to one of those states.

          Furthermore, requiring drivers to have car insurance isn't meant to protect the driver. It's meant to protect other drivers in case you cause an accident.

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          • Author by Übermensch (March 19, 2010 11:46 am ET)
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            It is apparent that you hate America.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (March 19, 2010 11:48 am ET)
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            Oh, I see...no one can force you to get sick or fracture your skull. Got it...
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            • Author by MagCynic (March 19, 2010 12:09 pm ET)
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              I certainly don't want to pay for someone who doesn't do the bare minimums to keep themselves healthy, though. Why should I have to contribute a single dime to someone who needs a lot of medical care due to smoking, not exercising, not eating a healthy diet, doing drugs, drinking, etc, etc. It's one thing to use tax money to save a life that's in danger from a freak occurrence. It's another thing completely when that person doesn't give a crap about their own health and expects others to pay for it when something goes wrong as a result.
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              • Author by peace4all (March 19, 2010 12:42 pm ET)
                   
                what's life like in your shotgun shack? that must be where you live because i certainly don't want to pay for your police protection. i mean if you can't learn to defend yourself how is that my problem? and i don't want to pay for your fire service or paramedics. i mean if you can't put out your fire or stop your fix your own injury why should i pay for it? and i certainly hope you walk the dirt paths to work because why should i pay for pavement so a deadbeat like you who can't even build his own roads can get to work?
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                • Author by Übermensch (March 19, 2010 12:48 pm ET)
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                  That argument only works for people who are willing to see the grand scheme of things.
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          • Author by usp (March 19, 2010 11:50 am ET)
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            if you don't have insurance, and something bad happens to you, and you go to the ER...and you don't pay the 8k dollar bill it will cost you- for...whatever...i/we all have to pay for it.

            that's not fair. if i pay for my health insurance AND i have to pay for the consequences of YOUR lack of health insurance- how is that fair to me?

            it clearly hurts small business, and hurts children, and jesus and kittens and stuff.

            oops- channeling my inner beck- sorry.
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            • Author by IRONY 101 (March 19, 2010 11:52 am ET)
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              Yea, but no one can force you to get treatment if you don't want it... ;>)
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              • Author by usp (March 19, 2010 11:56 am ET)
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                it's a ruse. it's to trick people into getting abortions on the public tab. you have to be careful about that. you walk in to get your viagra scrip and BOOM- before you know it? you've had an abortion. JUST LIKE THAT. and i bet the magazine selection in the waiting room will STILL suck.

                except Highlights

                Highlights that's good stuff.
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            • Author by MagCynic (March 19, 2010 12:07 pm ET)
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              if you don't have insurance, and something bad happens to you, and you go to the ER...and you don't pay the 8k dollar bill it will cost you- for...whatever...i/we all have to pay for it.
              Do you know how this works exactly? What's the process for the hospital getting reimbursed for the cost of saving a life? You talk like you know a lot about it.
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              • Author by usp (March 19, 2010 12:11 pm ET)
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                i do- i'm a parplegic. the deal usually is if you have no insurance and no means, they will treat you and then they give you a bill- and it's giant! ow! but then you can go when you feel better and the hospital will try to work it out with you. they will try to get you to pay so much a month or something like that. it's rough for all. there is a ton of shame on say, me...but then everyone at the hospital knows and understands- no one makes enough money to cover those kinds of costs.

                most of the doctors i've met fall into two categories- the first is the geeky guy who is all about the tech of medicine and the other type is the guy who wants to fix people.

                usually all the people that are involved are really great- it's just the numbers are staggering.

                that's what i know.
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              • Author by Sharpe (March 19, 2010 1:18 pm ET)
                   
                If people can't pay their bill and they don't have insurance, hospitals are usually reimbursed by the government - state or federal. And guess who pays that bill? The taxpayers of america is who. So this hurts the economy on various levels.

                First, cost is lost on the bypassing of prevention. No regular visits to a primary care for someone who has say diabetes has catastrophic consequences that could be entirely avoided if that person had the insurance to seek out primary care.

                Second, when that person gets acutely ill to the point of being unable to function usually, they are rushed to the ER where the taxpayers pay the bill which is vast compared to a normal hospital bill b.c emergency physicians are trained to use excess quantities of everything to stabilize a patient regardless of the costs - they are saving lives so they disregard the expense to whoever.

                Third, the ER would usually transfer patients to the hospital - the ICU or general medical wards perhaps but the uninsured are sent packing to cut down on the out of pocket expense which is already usually overwhelming. This adds even more to the costs for the taxpayers because the underlying condition is still present and will likely be even more catastrophic on the next ER visit which adds tons more to the taxpayers bill.

                The current process is by far the most wasteful, expensive and divorced of all logic process that anyone could possibly come up with. But it is reality. This is why people say the profit motive or an entirely capitalist system does not always equate to promoting the best for society in certain sectors. Healthcare for certain should never have been based upon how much money one has because diseases and chronic conditions are not financially driven.


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          • Author by JohnnyAppleseed (March 19, 2010 12:07 pm ET)
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            Some states you do not need auto insurance to drive. But you argument has long been debunked as completely silly because you don't have to drive, therefore you don't need car insurance. It's a choice.
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            • Author by MagCynic (March 19, 2010 12:11 pm ET)
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              Are you responding to me? It is a choice. That's why it's different from a health care mandate. It sounds like you agree with me.
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          • Author by Sharpe (March 19, 2010 12:58 pm ET)
               
            "If you want to drive but not pay for car insurance you have the option of moving to one of those states."

            Is that your magical made-up state? Every state in this country requires auto insurance to even put tires on a car.

            And what is your point? Another person's life is worth more than your own? You should feel more compelled to protect your car than yourself? Just like while driving there is always a risk of getting into a major crash, while living there is always a risk of getting a major illness like cancer or diabetes or heart failure. And some of these could happen to the healthiest people in the world. Look at lance armstrong for example. There is a reason you need car insurance to drive a car - you dont want people going bankrupt over one accident. And there is a reason you need health insurance - you dont want to go bankrupt or worse, die because you dont have it. your logic makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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            • Author by Sharpe (March 19, 2010 1:04 pm ET)
                 
              Actually, your right in that NH does not require any insurance at all but i think that is the only state. Some states require it and others force penalties on drivers for not having it. But like not have health insurance, the lack of auto insurance in NH makes it far more costly for every other NH resident for each resident that doesnt have insurance. If an uninsured driver hits another drive, the one he hits is liable for his own cars damages. Its like when people without health insurance go to the ER, every other person in the country is paying for that persons healthcare and at an inflated rate considering ER costs are far more expensive and far more dangerous than regular doctor visits or the access to specialists.
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      • Author by usp (March 19, 2010 11:41 am ET)
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        you! into the fema trailer...no soup for you!
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    • Author by jeter2 (March 19, 2010 11:46 am ET)
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      I don't agree with the idea of fines being collected from folks who choose not to purchase health insurance, but I seriously doubt it would lead to prison sentences. This just sounds like more scare tactics being thrown out there.
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      • Author by usp (March 19, 2010 11:52 am ET)
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        i kind of agree about the fine thing- if someone is too cheap/broke to buy the fed insurance- they will also be too cheap/broke to pay the fine.

        i'm thinking we could toss them into the FEMA trailers. kind of a work camp and....
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        • Author by jeter2 (March 19, 2010 11:59 am ET)
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          USP,

          Up here in Massachusetts folks are already fined by the state for not having health insurance, I'm just wondering if the Feds will fine them on top of that? Double whammy...

          It's a sad deal if you can't afford insurance & get hit with a fine for basically being unable to afford it.
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          • Author by usp (March 19, 2010 12:13 pm ET)
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            it is sad. it's awful. and it doesn't help anyone get out of the hole. sometimes i think you need a boost to get out of that hole.

            i don't know how that goes with lib or con theory but, i know that the extra kick is just another log on the fire of despair.
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      • Author by cbcbcb (March 19, 2010 11:57 am ET)
           
        Although I think their are constitutional and philosophical questions about the mandate, I could live with a fine, but I think prison is over the top, and Congress and the President probably realize it. I doubt prison time will be part of it.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (March 19, 2010 11:55 am ET)
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      I would expect journalists and pretty boys to actually read the bill and reference the pages they are talking bout and let the chips fall where they may.
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    • Author by manofmystique (March 19, 2010 12:07 pm ET)
         
      Most of Republicans/conservatives talking points orignate from lie, this nonsense is no exception. These guys should be penalized for dishonoring their profession and deliberately misled the American people.
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    • Author by Jason86 (March 19, 2010 12:21 pm ET)
         
      You wont go to jail. You'll just have to pay a penalty for not getting insurance. So in the end it would be best to get insurance because at least you'll be covered. You are sort of being forced to get insurance though.
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    • Author by Sharpe (March 19, 2010 12:53 pm ET)
         
      Even a large fine isnt likely - just a small one with government help.

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/13/sarah-palin/sarah-palin-says-health-care-reform-will-be-costly/
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