Limbaugh on health care bill: "It has to be defeated. It has to be stopped"
March 19, 2010 4:06 pm ET
From the March 19 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
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Previously:
Limbaugh on health care legislative process: "This is what happens in dictatorships"
Limbaugh says health care reform will "destroy the private insurance business, just wipes it out"
Limbaugh on CBO saying Senate health care bill reduces deficit: "That's frankly a lie"
Limbaugh reacts to Dodd's prostate cancer news: Is "he going to Canada or the UK for the surgery?"
Your conscience is likely subconsciously aware that you have little value as a human being, apart from the wealth you've accumulated. So, you shift your scale to insist that money is the best yardstick to measure human worth since that is the scale that makes you look best. But, that's not really the most accurate means of measuring, but it is very much favored by Faux Cons like yourself. As poor as she was for her entire life, Mother Theresa on a bad day accomplished more as a human than you have so far. Tomorrow is a new day, though, and it's never too late, even for you.
The CBO numbers are in and of themselves a lie.
Doctor fix not in the bill. Ten years of taxation vs. six years of spending. Double counting medicare cuts. It is smoke and mirrors and accounting gimmicks. The same folks who said unemployment would not go above 8% if we passed the stimulus are now claiming spending $ 1 trillion (the real number will probably be $6 trillion) in a new entitlement will not increase the debt.
I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Anyone interested?
The CBO must accept whatever presumptions Congress tells it to. It is a garbage in - garbage out product. Example:
I plan to earn $100K/yr for the next ten years. I also plan to win an additional $1 million in the lottery in seven years. I will have $2 million in revenue over the next ten years. I plan to spend $200K/yr for the next ten years. Do my numbers add up?
CBO would say yes because they must accept my presumption that I will win the lottery at face value.
You're a fraud.
There is nothing to explain - these are FACTS. Do you deny any of this?
Are you going to explain to me where I am wrong on the facts or are you going to call me names. If you call me names I will assume that you stipulate to my premise because you can not put a dent in it.
The doctor fix is not in the bill. You can not dispute that. The doctor fix will cost about $250 billion - again you can not dispute that. When you factor in teh doctor fix, there will be an enormous deficit. It is a matter of paying a bill out of the money in your left pocket versus your right pocket. Regardless of the source it is still your money. Whether the doctor fix is in this bill or a stand alone bill, it is still an enormous debt future generations wil have to be.
Again I will reiterate the example I gave:
I plan to make $100K over ten years. I plan to win a $1 million dollar lottery sometime in those ten years. I plan to spend $200K/year. Do the numbers add up. Yes, they do. IF CBO were scoring my absurd spending plan, they would score it as budget neutral. They must accept the premise that I will win the lottery. They do not comment on the proximately liklihood that I will win the lottery as I planned.
This is EXACTLY what the Dems are doing.
Do you deny they are double counting medicare cuts? Pelosi didn't deny it.
1) The 'doctor fix' is not in the bill
2) The 'doctor fix' will cost $250 billion
If the 'doctor fix' is not included in the legislation, then we don't have to pay for it. Simple enough.
They will pass the doctor fix as a stand alone bill (Pelosi said so). The healthcare bill does not have it, but tax money will still fund it. Does it really matter from a fiscal perspective whether it is included in this bill or as a stand alone bill? It still takes taxpayer money from the Treasury.
By taking it out of the current bill, the numbers appear to balance if you don't examine them closely.
The difference is akin to paying your credit card bill with a check and buy a money order with cash to pay your phone bill. Sure your checking account looks better if you don't pay your phone bill with a check, but it is still money out of your bank account regardless. It is a complete shell game.
Not only is this based on what passes off as opinion, its a logical fallacy by itself without a shred of evidence or reality backed in it.
You're an adolescent.
Go away, you unpatriotic slob. You don't care a rip about the country of your birth.
I most certainly do not forgo this country's elections - that is a complete lie -- sort of like your claim about IQ. I can assure you I will be voting in 2010 and 2012.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003080026
Bobby Jindal fan (March 08, 2010 5:27 pm ET)
I don't usually watch Glenn. Obama only got into Harvard because Kahalid al-Mansour and Percy Sutton greased the skids. He certainly did not gain admission on the basis of his LSAT score. As someone who has taken the LSAT, I would be absolutely stunned if BHO got any higher than 140 on the LSAT.
LSAT scoring
There are more quotes. There's one extremely long exchange where he had quoted his guesstimate of SP's IQ as being about the same as his. I'll find them!
Perhaps you can update us on the status of your search for the quote? What is taking you so long?
Just give it up already. You KNOW I never said that. Just admit you are wrong. You have transcended the threshold of making an inaccurate statement to the point where it is now a blatant lie.
Like I said, unpatriotic slob.
BTW, DellDolly has found one of the quotes I referred to . . .you said you had never said you took the LSAT . . .you did.
FRAUD!
This is getting to be pathological. I never said any such thing. Find the quote of shut the hell up and admit you are a liar. Yes, I vote in Irish elections (I voted no on the Treaty of Lisbon for one). I can assure you I most certainly did vote in the 2008 election. Let's see an idiot lying Marxist versus a ticket with Sarah Palin....hmmm, that's a real head scratcher.
Del Dolly (assuming that isn't you under a seperate screen name - which would not surprise me) pulled it out of her ass.
Here is an example:
See how easy that was. Just because I can type a quote and claim you said it does not mean that you did. Geez, you an idiot.
The CBO numbers are in and of themselves a lie.
Doctor fix not in the bill. Ten years of taxation vs. six years of spending. Double counting medicare cuts. It is smoke and mirrors and accounting gimmicks. The same folks who said unemployment would not go above 8% if we passed the stimulus are now claiming spending $ 1 trillion (the real number will probably be $6 trillion) in a new entitlement will not increase the debt.
I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Anyone interested?
The CBO must accept whatever presumptions Congress tells it to. It is a garbage in - garbage out product. Example:
I plan to earn $100K/yr for the next ten years. I also plan to win an additional $1 million in the lottery in seven years. I will have $2 million in revenue over the next ten years. I plan to spend $200K/yr for the next ten years. Do my numbers add up?
CBO would say yes because they must accept my presumption that I will win the lottery at face value.
Why does private, for profit insurance bring to the table, aside from a 20% premium hike every single year, and the dead bodies of 45,000 Americans?
Pelosi could claim that we can spend $100 trillion and that green guys in flying saucers will land on teh WH lawn and has us $100 trillion in cash.
The CBO would score such a scenario as budget neutral. They are not allowed to speculate on teh accuracy of the premise that the green guys in flying saucers will give us cash. The CBO can only use the numbers COngress give it. THey do not assess the validity of the numbers - they accept them at face value.
You are too intelligent to believe that creating a new trillion dollar entitlement (in the midst of a severe recession) will lower the deficit. That is as absurd as my green guys in flying saucers scenario.
Let's say the CBO had returned a score saying that the proposed legislation would cost us 500 billion dollars over the next 20 years. Would you still be arguing that they don't know what they're talking about? Or, would you be so pleased that they said something you wanted to hear you'd be trumpeting it from the rooftops?
I am arguing that the CBO score is bogus for all of the reasons I outlined above.
You are arguing that even it it is bogus and the bill produces a deficit, that it is a worthwhile endearvour. That is a perflectly valid opinion undoubtedly held in good conscience. I respect your arguement even if I do not agree with it.
IF that is your opinion, just be honest about it and admit that it increases teh deficit. If you want to support Obamacare, great - just be intellectually honest about it and do not support it based on a lie.
If you believe that going into further debt because covering more people is a moral necessity, that is your judgement and I respect that.
BUt you are supporting Obamacare on teh basis that it will lower the decficit, that is completely specious. YOur claim that Obamacare is a necessity to cover more people is a value judgement on your part and I respect that.
However, a claim that it will lower the deficit is demonstrably untrue.
Obama is selling his plan on the basis that it lowers the debt - he is LYING through his teeth for all the reasons I delineated above.
If his plan is so great, he should be able to defend it on the merits without lying about it.
It's not a lie. It's a false estimate, BJ Fan.
It's the old trick of ignoring the good that actually happened by claiming that it wasn't as effective as initially claimed. "We don't like good news if Obama is responsible" Typical Faux Con childish petulance.
Also, the CBO pointed out that three of Bush/Cheney's policies, namely tax cuts and wars among other things, would cost the country 1.3 trillion dollars. Did they squawk then? Nope. Not a word. Cause, like Cheney said, 'Deficits don't matter'. Unless you're a Democrat, I guess.
The same holds true with healthcare. THey estimate a $119 billion in deficit reduction. When this monstrosity of a bill explodes the deficit, the $119 billion is not a false estimate - it is a load of BS, and with all due respect you are a fool if you believe creating a trillion dollar new entitlement will loser the deficit.
Except that this is not true. If I can get the same coverage for half the price, then I know where my money is going, and that is what the insurance industry is really afraid of: people voting with their wallet. They also don't like the idea that they will be able to drop policyholders because they suddenly needed the benefits they've been paying in for over the last thirty or forty years. You can almost hear the whining. "But, but, we though we could just keep their money forever! I know! We'll cancel their policy, and claim a pre-existing condition! Bwuhahahahahaha!" There's your death panel. And since the insurance companies have been very public about raising rates exorbitantly while this debate is going on, they deserve exactly zero pity.
That claim is about as bogus as the current claim that this bill is deficit neutral. I said so in 2003. Yes, I did support the Iraq War, but I thought the premise that it would pay for itself was laughable.
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Rush, you're a loser... you lose
This Health Care Bill will get passed and signed by President Obama.
The minority rarely gets its way... welcome to the minority.
Now go get your baby rattle and cry in the corner and stfu.
Politifact, which leans right, has documented this.
This is liberalism in a nutshell.
Well, you know what they say, PJ fan: admitting you have a problem is the first step . . .
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I was educated in England - sometimes I use British English reflexively as 90% of all papers I have ever written were in British English.
Oh wait, I'm sorry, you are proud of that, aren't you.
Time for the nutjobs to shut up, quit whining, and accept health care reform.
Elections matter.
Newsflash... Barry is not a dictator (although I am sure that meglomanical narcissist thinks he is). We have checks and balances. We have a vibrant opposition party who has every right to oppose the policies of the party in power. This is what the Founding Fathers intended.
Have you ever read Federalist Papers #10 and #51? Silly me, of course you haven't. They discuss factionalism and tyranny of the majority. Try reading them - you might learn something.
There is no vibrant opposition party. There is the party of No! They have no policy, they have no plan, they have only obstruction, propaganda, and fear.
Funny how the majority is a tyranny when the Democrats are in charge, huh, Bobby Jindal fan?
And before you all thumbs down me for being a liar about the disapproval numbers here are two sources that look at multiple polls being done.
Source 1
Source 2
When has this ever been done?
The Civil Rights Act was extremely unpopular, especially in the South. I'm sure the polls showed that the citizens didn't want that to pass either.
The southern Democrats strategy? Delay the vote of the bill... sound familiar? After the Civil Rights Act was passed, all these southern Democrats (like Strom Thurmond) became Republicans.
You shouldn't worry so much. You'll get an ulcer.
Mob rule is not a democracy.
Really? I don't remember the definition of "mob" as pertaining to the majority. In fact, this is what Merriam Webster has to say about the definition of the word "mob":
a large or disorderly crowd; especially : one bent on riotous or destructive action
I like how you tried to change the meaning of the word
If the majority of Americans had the chance to vote for or against those measures, they would have been soundly defeated.
I've seen polls that lean and for and against. I do know that before the 24/7/365 political campaign from Roger Goebbels and Dick Armey, the majority of Americans wanted health care reform. I feel they still do. The polls are close because many people were for single payer, then for a public option and now neither is in the proposed bill. Those people are counted against reform.
We've had a year of constant fear from the right. Similar to the bullsh_t shoveled by St. Ronnie during the sixties against Medicare. If only those opposed to government health care would refuse Medicare maybe I could respect their position, but until then, screw them.
We'll have a national health care plan in place, despite the wrenches thrown into the machinery of Democracy.
I don't want Medicare. I can provide for myself and my family. I do not need some friggin handout from the government. Medicare should be voluntary - if it was I would opt out immediately. Medicare is a scam to take more of my paycheck and redistribute it. Provide for your own damn healthcare - it is not my responsibility to provide for you.
When I am 65 I will tell the government to take its Medicare and shove it where the sun don't shine. I do not want Medicare - I am just fine on my own thank you very much.
You mean like with that whole Clinton Impeachment thing, right?
These are all criminal actions. Clinton's job was to enforce the law and he broke the law himself.
He also abused his power. He used the power of the government to deny a private citizen (Paula Jones) justice and her day in court.
He was disbarred as a result of his illegal conduct. The House was absolutely justified in impeaching him. Unfortunately the OJ jury was elected to the US Senate and disgracefully ignored their responsibility to hold him accountable for breaking the law.
You'll also note the polling data is swinging the other way now in your second source.
Besides, I thought the Beckster was against "mob rule" . . . you know "democracy." We live in a republic, remember? We had our vote when we voted in the yahoos who are in Congress. It is their job to legislate and to do what they believe is best for the country and their constituents.
You really are a masochist, aren't you? We all know what a completer fraud you are, but you just keep coming back with your BS.
BTW, your comments regarding not voting in this country's election but instead opting to vote in the Irish elections makes you one of the most unpatriotic, disloyal slobs I've ever seen in my life. You've pretty much abdicated any right to comment on my country's government at all.
I'll be posting your quotes soon.
I will post the quote from the report again.
And this is what you had said about the report.
I haven't had opportunity to look them up . . . unlike you, I work for a living.
Oh good - another project for you. Happy hunting for that quote. I most certainly did not opt out of this country's election. I have not missed a single election since 1989. Even when I was living in England I ALWAYS voted via absentee ballot.
I voted in 2008, and you can be damn sure I will be voting in 2010 and 2012. YOu will have as much luck find a quote of me saying I opted out of US elections as you have had finding the IQ quote.
Then you should have no trouble finding them. Why have you been so spectacularly unsuccessful in finding the quotes?
That's what happens when you lie, BJ . . you eventually forget what you've said.
I haven't been unsuccessful, sweetcakes, unlike you, I work for a living and, unlike you, I don't spend my entire life sitting in front of a computer pretending to be something that I'm not.
I do claim that unlike you I have a job. Rather then spending your time here, shouldn't you be looking for a job instead of lying on your a$$ mooching off me and the rest of society? Are you too good to work at McDonald's?
Again I will say to you, produce a quote or admit you are lying. Assuming I believe you, you are nothing but a glorified secretaty - I'm not.
That's your run-of-the-mill FOX psycho babble. What exactly do you think is going to happen? "Granny's gonna die"?
Look, I'm always one of the first to admit that there is no limit to what humans are capable of doing to each other, in terms of evil.
Do I think that a leader is capable of allowing 3000 of his own citizens to die in order to advance his agenda? I wouldn't put it passed us homo sapiens. Do I think Bush or "the Jews" planned 911? NO! That's ideological paranoia.
Do I think that a leader is capable of setting up a system of euthanasia for the sick, elderly and other "undesirables", and otherwise "controlling every aspect of our lives" as Beck says? Of course, we have seen that before. Do I think that President Obama and the Democrats are planning a sinister plot to enslave all of us or kill of a large segment of the population? NO! That's ideological paranoia.
I could claim that liberals believe in fairy dust - that wouldn't make it true.
Errr. on second thought............
She also didn't say she could see Russia from her house. Tina Fey said that.
Sarah has said there are points in Alaska (not Wasilla) from which Russia is visible - this is factually accurate.
Just as there is more to being a student than sharpening pencils...ya gotta do the homework, ya gotta take the tests.
If a surgeon quit midway their first heart surgery, who besides you would say that person performed a heart surgery?
Really? Conservative creationists like Kent (jailbird) Hovind and Ken Hamm disagree with you. Maybe you should tell them.
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/stupid_dino_tricks_a_visit_to_kent_hovindrsquos_dinosaur_adventure_land/
http://creationmuseum.org/
Creation Seminar
Ken Ham is founder of the Creation "Museum"
State of the Nation with Ken Ham
There's also laugh-a-minute Ray Comfort with Kirk Cameron, and the infamous Banana Video
Man...you get more pretentious by the day. God hasn't struck me down yet.
What kind of God would banish a soul to a fiery lake to be tortured for all eternity just for posting a picture on MMFA?
Also, you are full of sh!t. Creationists DO believe this, as documented on Answers in Genesis, which if I remember correctly, you cited as a source maybe a month or so ago during one of your rants.
BTW, DellDolly found the post where you said you took the LSAT. Liar.
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Have you given any thought to the possibility that more Americans disapprove of it for two reasons? 1) They don't believe it goes far enough, i.e., they favor single-payer and 2) They have been lied to about what is in the bill, i.e., death panels, death to granny, rationing, federal money for abortion, etc. etc. ad nauseum.
You are free to believe whatever you want about something 'bad' being in the bill, MagCynic. You know what? The text is online, and it has fewer words than 9 out of 10 of the last NY Times bestsellers. Read it for yourself, and find out. Or, cling to your delusional fear. Your choice.
There are far more than two polls on health reform opinion. Realclearpolitics has a history of dropping polling results that do not fit the 'party line, so just like Rasmussen, I won't accept them as a valid source.
Fact is, when Americans are accurately informed about what is truly in the bill, they favor it. Overwhelmingly. Even if they like their current insurance coverage. Why? Because it will lower costs.
Exactly. Panic is really setting in on the right.
This is after tons of research.
Up or Down vote Sunday PM, come Monday AM will the premiums still be going up?
Without a public option, we are all at the mercy of the Insurance companies for a while.
Hopefully the health exchanges will help, but that doesn't go into effect for several years.
Come on, Rush, you're wasting valuable time. You should be going through brochures and booking your flight about now. You are a man of your word, aren't you?
I do suggest some place that doesn't know about radio transmissions yet. But don't worry, you'll be perceived as a god...or possibly, dinner.
Elizabeth O'Connell
Hempstead, Texas