Cavuto: "It's up to debate" whether tea party protesters "are going to storm" the Capitol
March 20, 2010 12:27 pm ET
From Fox News' March 20 special coverage of health care reform legislation with Neil Cavuto:
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Usually it's just one.
People like him have made the term "patriot" comical.
Why do you hate America?
Biden said simply taxes---not "higher" taxes.
Do you really hate America and the troops?
The right to appear in a box office smash?
Jeeeez....
Violent rhetoric is a wholly owned subsidiary of the teabaggers and the conservative nutjobs.
Like the headline above: "storm the capitol".
There may have been violent rhetoric against Bush/Cheney, but that's perfectly understandable when the topic at hand was war and death.
The topic at hand for the teabaggers is imaginary tax increases, imaginary government takeovers, and the horror of the black man sitting in the White House.
Yet if someone chooses to call the Teagbaggers, Teabaggers, you get indignant. "I will not lower myself to your standards". Yeah, yeah, whatever mags. Try as you might, it's "Teabaggers" and it's here to stay, long after your AstroTurf corporate apologist "movement" is gone.
I can name Dr. Tiller, the guy that shot up the Kansas church, and the Pittsburgh shooter off the top of my head.
I could do a search for left-wing violence and blame that on the members of the left-wing media. I don't though because people are ultimately responsible for their own actions. Can I attack Scott Brown and say Keith Olbermann incited me by calling him a "homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman"?
The difference is that you don't have the intellectual depth or an open mind to understand the motivations of these murderers. You can't accept the fact that the Pittsburgh shooter thought Obama was going to take his guns away and the guy in Kansas wanted to shoot Democrats after reading Goldberg's book.
I never said they were incited to violence by right wing rhetoric. I said the violent rhetoric gave them justification for their actions.
That's the difference.
Also, how convenient that, since most of the domestic terror has been from the right wing, you decide that the ideology of those terrorists is unimportant.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/tea-party-protests-nier-f_n_507116.html
MagCynic and other well-known wingnuts will, of course, deny it, but these kinds of misguided people are riled-up and emboldened by the likes of Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Malkin and a whole, miserable bunch of others.
Get out the Quda 50s....
If the TeaBaggers had any hint of what was really going on, maybe they'd storm Fox news.
Get the connection?
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/beck-and-nras-lapierre-warn-insidiou
And less than a month later, the shooting happened.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09095/960750-53.stm
Consider yourself sourced.
Let me get this straight. You feel that Beck is partially to blame for egging this 22 year old nut job to kill cops because he talked about gun bans on his show one time? This 22 year old kid was a perfectly normal functioning person until he heard Beck talk to Wayne LaPierre about gun bans? That was what set him off? Do you have any evidence that this murderer even watched that episode of Beck or that he even watched Beck at all?
They provided this deluded person the JUSTIFICATION to do shoot the cops by confirming his deluded belief that Obama was gonna take away his guns.
You knew I could come up with a source, but I could have come up with others. The killer didn't necessarily have to watch this one show. This kook could have been talking to his buddy at a bar who told him that Obama was gonna take away his guns because he heard it on Fox/hate radio.
Let me help, since you apparently are in need of it. The cops represent the government, which is represented by Obama, who Fox/hate radio told him was going to take away his guns.
Kinda like the guy in Kansas who read Goldberg's book about the 100 Democrats that were ruining the country. Since this guy didn't have the means to kill any of those 100, he instead went to where he thought Democrats were gathering and started shooting.
It doesn't matter how this crazy Pittsburgh guy got the idea in his head. It was planted by Beck and his evil cohorts that Obama was gonna take away his guns.
a) You or someone else would attack Scott Brown
and...
b) Olbermann hadn't apologized for his remarks.
and...
c) There were other examples of the same rhetoric.
Strike one. Strike two. Strick three. You're out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/23/keith-olbermann-apologize_n_434129.html
That's what makes your Olbermann/Brown analogy faulty.
Yes.
Yes.
No.
Use the google. Or You Tube.
Child.
MagCynic says:
soze169880 responds (first response too):
So when soze points out the obvious connection between this guy watching Beck and this guy's paranoia that Obama will take his guns away, what do you do? You completely ignore that response (even though it was the very first one in line) and go on to answer other responses acting like you see no connection between this guy's angst and Beck's rhetoric.
So, no, I was not corrected in that particular instance. Somebody responded to my opinion with an opinion. Nice try, though.
So, yes, you were corrected in that specific comment. soze telling you the guy watched AND posted Beck's rant is not an opinion. I'm sure you'd like to try to bs your way into making others think it is an opinion...though
No, he stated the fact that the cop killer posted video of Beck's rant before he killed those Police officers.
I will conjecture for you though if you want to try to make sense out of a senselss psychos acts of violence. If Obama is going to take his guns away, who is he going to send to do it? The POLICE. If Obama enacts a law making it illegal for any citizen to have a firearm, who is going to enforce that law in every locality and city in this nation? The POLICE. So who will do the actual physical act of taking away his guns? Yes, say it with me, the POLICE. *tre sunk. steps over your head and prepares to play defense.*
then u say 'I knew you could come up with a source'.
WTF?
(http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003190018)
Narrative so far: People who protest legislation that the majority of Americans favor are themselves just Americans who think the bill might be illegal. Everybody else who is marching is either in favor of illegal immigration or rock hard communist socialists. He claims it's a powder keg, and pretends to be worried that there may be violence. Now, who is he implying will start the violence? Doesn't matter. Because the way he's set the narrative up, there is only one group of 'white hats' on the Mall this weekend, and they all happen to be teabaggers.
(http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003190048)
Same basic narrative. The 'radicals' are in possession of our government, and the teabaggers will find those who support these radicals on the Mall this weekend when they come to protest a bill they THINK maybe MIGHT be illegal.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003190047
So, now you have a legitimately elected government being accused of trying to tear the country apart, and by whom? One of the men MOST responsible for tearing the country apart. One of the most divisive, partisan, and hateful men in broadcast. See what he does at the end? He justifies the possibility of violence by the teabaggers, because violence against socialism (which is an attempt to tie the target of that word to the Nazi party), communism (obviously they must've been on the side of the USSR during the Cold War, right, because they're all COMMIES), and the Devil himself is perfectly acceptable. But wait! There's more:
(http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003190018)
Got it? So, communists are 'real' Americans, don't think like 'real' Americans, and want a revolution to destroy America and rebuild it in their communosocialanarchist image. But you won't have any problem with the Tea Party people, who, of the three groups he mentions, are the only ones ever to show up at rallies with signs saying "We came unarmed THIS time"
Glenn is laying down a trail of gunpowder, dropping a lit match, and saying, "Oh no! I hope there's not an explosion! That would be TERRIBLE! Somebody quick! Come stop it before it's too late!" and laughing all the way to the bank. He could care less about America, or the people who live here. The only difference between him as a shock jock AM radio guy and him now is that now he has the ability to incite actual violence, and will end up with real blood on his hands.
What you're really saying is that you have no way to rebut my post, and so you seize on a single word, and claim you don't have to respond. I showed that Glenn Beck is indeed attempting to incite violence, and if you could disprove it, you would've.
And, by the way, if Beck was inciting violence why would he always say violence isn't the answer and we must remain grounded in our resolve?
To cover his a**.
Clap:Clap:Clap Great logic.
Compare it to those on MSNBC that purposely call an entire group of protesters "teabaggers" simply to make fun of them personally. They don't even bother attacking the message, do they? My parents (one's a lawyer, the other owns a business) go to Tea Party events. Are they racist, hateful teabaggers?
Fine. I'll take YOUR word for that when you say you've done it, but that is not the case with how the GOP does it, unless every single one of them (presidents, senators, media people, etc.) just happens to be speaking too fast and do it accidentally every time they speak. It's intentional and virtually across the board, as you would know if you've paid any attention.
"No offense should even be taken."
Not really for you to decide.
"Go ahead and call the Republican Party the Republic Party. Nobody cares. It's a very minor form of misspeak."
Its a fundamental form of disrespect and a lot of people, obviously, do care.
"Compare it to those on MSNBC that purposely call an entire group of protesters "teabaggers" simply to make fun of them personally."
So when MSNBC reporters call a group of people a name its bad, but when every GOP politician intentionally mispronounces the proper name of their opponents, no one should care. I think I'll just tell you that no one cares about "teabagger" and no offense (on your part) should be taken. Oh, and how are you on Beck calling progressives a cancer?
"They don't even bother attacking the message, do they?"
Sure they do. All the time.
"My parents (one's a lawyer, the other owns a business) go to Tea Party events. Are they racist, hateful teabaggers?"
I don't know. Again I'll take your word that they aren't, though implying that being a lawyer or a business person somehow precludes someone from being racist or hateful seems a stretch.
MSNBC talking heads are not equivalent to members of Congress. Or the president.
Make a note of it.
You're on quite a false equivalency run today.
I care because it is NOT the Democrat Party. A Democrat is a person belonging to the Democratic Party. It is not a very minor form of misspeak; it IS a form of rudeness or in some cases stupidity when parroted by those too ignorant to realize it.
I would never think of calling the Republican Party the Republic Party.
It's just pointing out that the Republican politicians' sense of humor hasn't progressed past the 3rd grade.
Says the guy who has on multiple occasions complained about "teabaggers." You must have a very cozy life to let that bother you.
Again- you know you are lying. You call it the Democrat Party because that's what your heroes at Fox and on Right wing radio do. "I just shorten it"- that's so weak, it's laughable.
Seriously- stand by your words. And here's a tip- if you want to snark on another poster concerning his intelligence level, don't use "LOL."
But fine, tell us you innocently shorten "Democratic Party." Look like the cowardly little a**hole you are, and a liar besides. Add LOL just in case we aren't convinced that you are a petulant little child who simply will NOT be called out. Please don't breed.
Actually, they are mocking the fact that even AFTER it became known that the terms had another meaning, many prominent supporters continued to use the term.
If there were Democrats walking around using the term "Democrat Party" it would be a valid analogy, but they don't, so it's not.
Respect is a two-way street. Get it?
I doubt it.
Mag, you're beginning to worry me: you're becoming as much of a masochist as Piyush Jindal fan . . .
Or both.
1:39 Love BillO getting mad at that teleprompter. Screw the prompter he'll do it himself. Not sure how this looks bad for him.
3:41 Still no mention of traitors. Was there a point to linking this video of a comedy show?
Sure about that?
And your definition of racism, while technically true, is quite narrow.
http://newsone.com/obama/casey-gane-mccalla/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/
I know this is an opinion piece, but it's got some good historical context to your assertion.
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2009/09/the_racist_truth_about_beck_an.html
I'll let some of the black contributors to this site answer your question.
All they prove is that they like racial humor.
Back to the old comedian dodge again. My advice: when you're in a hole, stop digging.
Don't forget Imus and his wonderful comment.
How about my family, neighbors, friends and co-workers? Overnight, I became a pariah when I spoke out against the war in Iraq.
As has already been stated, they were the 1st to label themselves teabaggers. Then they got upset when they learned just what else the word represents. Best laugh I've had in a long, long time.
Fair enough. Guess you're all done defending Glenn Beck, then, because he is far worse and far more prolific at this sort of thing than li'l ol' me.
If no one shows up, Fox "News" will simply say they did. If a few hundred show up, Fox News will say it was hundreds of thousands. If a few thousand show up, Fox News will say it was two MILLION.
See, there's nothing to debate when your stock in trade is to make it up as you go along.
Truer words never spoken - we (FOX) are in the middle of it all: faux outrage, faux levels of support, faux "facts", faux truth, faux credibility, faux journalistic integrity, faux "fairness", faux "balance".
We are FAUX News.
LOL...yeah in the middle of Wonderland
...and now over to the caterpillar...Neil, remember, eat the right side of the mushroom -- the crowd will grow to millions.
It's just a newly realized hatred of government because the black man is in the White House.
Playing the race card when it is a very minor factor in the debate over HCR doesn't help your cause. It is about as relevant as the birthers, petty and lacking substance.
Hey BJ fan, why don't you tell us how your hero Franco would have dealt with a crowd storming the Capitol?
Another underestimation of people. Keep up your superiority complex without substance.
I don't understand how you could compare Franco to any U.S. president since the U.S. constitution prevents appointment by devine providence.
Clinton would be a more appropriate comparison. His administration did kill Americans that didn't agree with his ideology.
Oh dear God, a Foster-F--er? I thought you losers died with Jerry Falwell. Or, failing that, the independent investigation clearing Clinton.
Oh, and:
Franco was Irish?
Franco was appointed to his office by devine (sic) providence? I thought he seized power and kept it through mass murder, suppression of civil liberties and organized terror.
I notice you don't deny being BJ Fan, btw.
I could deny being BJ fan but you wouldn't believe me anyway. I really don't care if you think I am someone I am not.
Sorry for the spelling I am only human.
Is that a joke? Are you?
If you believe that Franco was Leader of Spain "by the Grace of God," you must believe that God endorses the murder of innocent men, women and children, plus torture chambers, secret police, etc. You are one seriously sick, damaged individual
You are BJ Fan. There's no way there are TWO Franco Worshipers who visit his site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMjYuF64OvY
[Has stroke.]
Actually, I could think of someone else who would be a more apt comparison:
"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job."
-- President Bush, quoted in the Lancaster New Era, during a private meeting with an Amish group, July 2004
There's the politics of the HCR, and then there's the substance. Politically I agree with you because there is an overlooked portion of the electorate who are going easier on Pres. Obama because he's Black, which to a large extent offsets those who are against him just for his race. Any Dem president would be facing this level of obstructionism in my opinion. Remember back to Bill Clinton in 1994 when the right wasn't nearly as strong media-wise as they are today on the radio and TV.
But as far as the substance of it, the poorer people are going to be helped more by this bill and Blacks are disproportionately in that group. So indirectly people are against the bill for racial reasons, or more precisely economic class reasons.
There are far more poor whites in the US as total population than there are total number of blacks. But the poor whites identify as white, not poor. I think this is a holdover from the old South, although I grew up in a border area.
I am constantly amazed by poorly educated neighbors and suppliers who are poor whites who would be helped by many Democratic initiatives, but believe they're the rich people FauxNoise is protecting. The reparations line Limbaugh has used was not an accident, it was deliberately chosen code.
You are underestimating them. That is going to be a huge mistake the dems are going to make in Nov." - BH
That's a very tricky thing. My own two cents is that you're right on balance. People don't like to be wrongly accused of having impure motivations. And they're more likely to say, "OK Karnac, I'll just shut up and just take it out on you another way", instead of leaving themselves open to being convinced on the substance of the matter, or begging off on it all and staying home on election day.
Um, no, Craputo -- actually, it's up to the US Capitol and Metro DC police whether the tebaggers do . . .
Another regular here, epkklk851, was in DC today too, and took a bunch of pictures - here's that link, on her behalf.