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Meanwhile, on Fox News: Plan B

Fox News moves on to discussing possible legal challenges to health care reform legislation

March 21, 2010 1:39 pm ET

From the March 21 edition of Fox News' America Live with Megyn Kelly:

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Previously:

Kitchen Sink: Fox's Last-Ditch Effort To Rally Opposition To Health Care Reform

Legal experts debunk conservative media's claim that health reform proposals are unconstitutional

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    • Author by marco21 (March 21, 2010 1:43 pm ET)
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      Fox News: Actively working against democracy day in and day out.
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      • Author by DellDolly (March 21, 2010 2:28 pm ET)
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        Because it's that what a fair and balanced legitimate news organization is supposed to do?
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      • Author by JohnnyAppleseed (March 21, 2010 4:13 pm ET)
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        Having politicians vote against their constituents will (according to just about every poll out there) to further their own personal agenda is not democracy. You cannot sit there and honestly tell me you agree with the "Trust me, I know what's better for you than you do. You'll thank me later" attitude of the people in Congress.
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        • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (March 21, 2010 4:56 pm ET)
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          Having politicians vote against their constituents will (according to just about every poll out there) to further their own personal agenda is not democracy.


          That statement assumes too much.
          No national poll cannot accurately represent the will of the people in any particular congressional district. A House Representative's yea (or nea) vote might very well reflect the will of his district. I have been to my district townhall meetings and I honestly can tell you that my Representative is perfectly safe voting for the reform bill. I can't speak for other districts.
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        • Author by wookie (March 21, 2010 5:02 pm ET)
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          Remember the whole "elections have consequences" thing? Well the Dems won so clearly people want this.
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        • Author by At_odds (March 21, 2010 5:51 pm ET)
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          Actually the will of 40-45% of those polled want this reform. 20-25% want it to go further, and 30-35%% don't want it at all. The majority wants reform but are split between what type of reform. The biggest cut of the people want this type of reform.
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          • Author by christopher howard (March 21, 2010 6:04 pm ET)
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            Exactly. A big dent in the pro-numbers for this healthcare bill represents progressives who think it doesn't go nearly far enough.
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        • Author by DellDolly (March 21, 2010 6:38 pm ET)
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          Yes, actually, I CAN tell you and WILL tell you that Congress OFTEN is better tuned in to the things that SHOULD be done for our country than what the general population is.

          And when you add in the disinformation campaign by Republicans and rightwing media on this particular topic, one should look at the American public's feelings on individual initiatives covered by the HCR bill, instead of looking at their overall impressions of the bill given that disinformation campaign.

          And when one looks at those opinions on individual aspects that are included in the bill, the American public pretty strongly supports most of the healthcare initiatives that the Democrats are fighting for.

          You don't have a leg to stand on in this argument. Go away, troll.
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          • Author by rumpleteasermom (March 21, 2010 9:04 pm ET)
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            Stop calling people trolls. You have lots of good info to share and your opinion is often quite interesting, but every time you call someone a troll you make people listen to you a little less.
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        • Author by Barry Bonds (March 21, 2010 6:43 pm ET)
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          Johnny,

          Are you honestly trying to tell us that 100% of all Republicans do not want what the Dems are offering?

          Personally, if I were a T.V. news producers I would round up 1,000 Obama hating Republicans and have a town hall about how much they want health care.
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    • Author by dirtylittlereligion (March 21, 2010 1:45 pm ET)
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      The title reminds me of comic books...

      "Meanwhile...at the Legion of Doom..."
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      • Author by Dradeeus (March 21, 2010 1:56 pm ET)
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        More like this line of comic books.
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        • Author by dirtylittlereligion (March 21, 2010 2:00 pm ET)
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          Strange.
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        • Author by cst (March 21, 2010 2:16 pm ET)
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          Must be drawn by somebody who grew up reading "Reagan's Raiders" (a 1980's comic featuring Ronnie as a cross between Captain America and Rambo).
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          • Author by Quicksilver M.S (March 21, 2010 2:23 pm ET)
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            Fox and the Right remind me of:

            [http://media.timesrecordnews.com/media/img/photos/2007/09/12/tantrums_t607.jpg]
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          • Author by John Paradox (March 21, 2010 5:49 pm ET)
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            Issue #2 cover:
            [BTW, IIRC, I bought those as a 'giggle'. Have to go through my storage]

            [http://www.comicbook.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/patriotic8-reagans-raiders-2.jpg]
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            • Author by christopher howard (March 21, 2010 5:51 pm ET)
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              I actually bought those back when I was into collecting comics. They were bizarre in that you couldn't tell if they were really pro-Reagan or a clever deadpan satire.
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        • Author by bilbo_dies (March 21, 2010 3:38 pm ET)
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          Hey, that is funny. Hannity as a super hero with an eye patch.
          Sweet. Talk about an alternate reality. ;-)




          It is capitalism at its finest, though.
          Find an audience and produce a product to sell to them.
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          • Author by Dradeeus (March 21, 2010 3:45 pm ET)
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            Yes, Sean Hannity AND G. Gordon Liddy as superheroes.

            ...Because apparently, that's the best they have...
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            • Author by rtejon (March 21, 2010 4:52 pm ET)
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              It amazes me that G. Gordon Liddy remains gainfully employed in conservative media despite being an actual participant in the Watergate burglary, which not only brought down Nixon but was also a large factor in why we didn't enforce our side of the Vietnam armistice when North Vietnam violated theirs. Whether you agree with that or not, it's something to ponder the next time he or an associate claims to care so much about our veterans.

              As for Oliver North (and Sean Hannity), their own exploitation of veterans has been back in the news recently.
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              • Author by christopher howard (March 21, 2010 5:55 pm ET)
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                "It amazes me that G. Gordon Liddy remains gainfully employed in conservative media despite being an actual participant in the Watergate burglary..."

                Despite being?
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                • Author by rtejon (March 21, 2010 6:53 pm ET)
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                  Fair enough. Just seems an especially egregious example to me.
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                  • Author by christopher howard (March 21, 2010 7:16 pm ET)
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                    No sweat; I agree with you. A lot of Liddy's mystique came out of his going to jail, so his criminality actually helped his career among "law & order conservatives." 
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    • Author by New Frontier (March 21, 2010 1:52 pm ET)
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      Kelly:

      "Government takeover of health care".
      Liar.
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      • Author by dirtylittlereligion (March 21, 2010 1:58 pm ET)
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        Noticed that. But what did you expect? Fair and balanced? That's what the "doch" wants them to call it, so they do.
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      • Author by marco21 (March 21, 2010 2:00 pm ET)
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        Totally. Full on crazy from now to?????
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    • Author by btrue10280 (March 21, 2010 2:00 pm ET)
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      Just like you must buy car insurance. Why don't you challenge that?
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    • Author by lede39571545 (March 21, 2010 2:03 pm ET)
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      The behavior of Fox Network (notice I did not say NEWS) truly puzzles me. Fox seems to be the example of anti-american..not the current administration.
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    • Author by Major Tom (March 21, 2010 2:17 pm ET)
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      I really thought it would be sucession...
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    • Author by emmag1919 (March 21, 2010 2:56 pm ET)
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      The 'so-called Supremacy Clause'. What is that supposed to mean?
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      • Author by Bongo Fury (March 21, 2010 3:25 pm ET)
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        emmag.The supremacy clause is in the constitution.Without googling it,it concerns a law that is nationwide and not to be messed with by any individual state.To the best of what I remember it is.What it means to the right is BE AFRAID,BE VERY AFRAID!
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        • Author by whatIthink (March 21, 2010 3:41 pm ET)
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          Bsaically, if a state law and a federal law come into conflict, then if the law concerns something that is constitutionally under the purview of the federal government, the federal law takes precedence.
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        • Author by emmag1919 (March 21, 2010 3:45 pm ET)
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          Yes, I understand the Supremacy Clause. Sorry, that comment was ambiguous. Emphasis should have been placed on the so-called. He kind of makes it seem like the SC is contentious.
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          • Author by whatIthink (March 21, 2010 3:52 pm ET)
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            Well, these are the same people that are crying that the constitution is being violated, but when asked which part of the constitution, you get a blank look or are called names. Then if you point out to them that their "ideas" of things being unconstitutional are not actually in the constitution, they start to get really belligerent.

            This reminds of people who were protesting against the Large Hadron Collider, saying it could literally destroy the earth. When asked how that could happen, all you got was a bunch of gibberish they picked up on some conspiracy website or heard from some whacko.
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          • Author by whatIthink (March 21, 2010 3:54 pm ET)
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            Oh, I forgot to add that this is all extremely hypocritical anyway. These are the same people who want the Supreme Court to use federal law to overturn state/city law about the handgun ban in Chicago.
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            • Author by rtejon (March 21, 2010 9:19 pm ET)
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              Now that you mention it, I recently came across the new issue of the NRA's magazine and they're actually praising the Citizens United SCOTUS decision because it levels the playing field for collective organizations like theirs against rich players like George Soros. It's mentioned on the site, too, although hyperlinking doesn't seem to work for XML pages here:

              http://home.nra.org/#/home/VideoModule/Free Speech Prevails ILA.xml

              You'll also quickly notice that otherwise pro-Second Amendment citizens, with moderate or liberal views on other issues, no longer have a home at the NRA (though I suppose that's old news; it's just really bad that way now).
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    • Author by Jeremy Danials (March 21, 2010 3:13 pm ET)
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      I live in one of those states that is "suppoedly" preparing legislation to combat healthcare reform. I thought this story smelled fishy from the get-go, being from the Republican Propeganda Channel, so I did a Google search for the story of Ohio's intent to file legislation requiring the legal challenge to reform.

      As I thought, nothing.

      Just to be thorough, however, I checked the ONN website. (That's the Ohio News Network, for those outside my home.)

      Again, nothing.

      However, just to be safe, I thought I would look it up on the site of my hometown paper, the Dayton Daily News.

      I found something, all right. From IDAHO!!!

      This is another glaring example of the blatant evil to come out of Fox's Demon Heads. I wonder how much Murdoch sold his soul for in order for such obvious lies to even be believable.

      And people wonder why Al Franken was elected Senator.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (March 21, 2010 3:30 pm ET)
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        Thanks for doing the legwork, Byte Man. I haven't had time to see if there's a similar lack of action up here in equally combative Michigan.

        Hope all is well in Dayton; I'm a member of Boonshoft, by the way.
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        • Author by John Paradox (March 21, 2010 5:58 pm ET)
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          I didn't see Michigan specifically in this article from Reuters, but it does list several by name. I see that the Arizona Legislature (remember, 'we' sent Kyl, McCain, Shaddeg (with his baby puppet), and have teabagger J.D. Hayworth challengin McCain) is considering an 'amendment', and Gov. Jan Brewer (R) has sent a letter.
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        • Author by Jeremy Danials (March 21, 2010 11:45 pm ET)
             
          Well, I haven't been issued my hammer & sickle yet, if that's what you're asking. Lol. I looked that stuff up while posting, so I would be able to be current and up-to-date. Three reputable resources, one, at least, right leaning, and no mention of a challenge.

          And this coming from one lonely liberal, living in Dayton's most conservative suburb! :)
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      • Author by Quicksilver M.S (March 21, 2010 8:37 pm ET)
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        Byte Man:
        LOOK TO THE SHY.. FOR MY FIRE WILL LIGHT THE NIGHT SKY!
        A FIRE OF .... VICTORY!
        Just after Heath Care Passes !

        [http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/hotlips83338/bomb%20fire/bombfire002.jpg]

        I am pleased to hear that Ohio,
        is not part of the 39 states
        discussing possible legal challenges
        to health care reform legislation.
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        • Author by Quicksilver M.S (March 21, 2010 11:19 pm ET)
             
          THE FIRE IS A BLAZING!

          GOD! BLESS AMERICA !
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          • Author by Quicksilver M.S (March 21, 2010 11:30 pm ET)
               
            AGAIN...I can BELIEVE in AMERICA !!

            THREE CHEERS TO THE PRESIDENT!

            GO!
            GO!
            GO!

            YES!.. WE ... CAN!
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    • Author by goshzilla (March 21, 2010 6:11 pm ET)
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      I imagine these legal challenges will go as well as the attempt to get Obama to hand over his birth certificate.
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    • Author by caveman (March 21, 2010 8:52 pm ET)
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      38 states...except that only 2 have actually passed it.

      That's like showing an all-red electoral map, consisting of the states McCain actually won, plus the other states where he mounted a campaign.
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (March 21, 2010 9:10 pm ET)
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      I'd like for Fuchs Noose to ask Mitt Romney, why if this HCR bill is similar to the one currently in force in Massachusetts that was passed in your administration, why no one in Massachusetts has challenged the mandate thus far, and why the people in the state didn't take to the streets to protest it en masse when the bill passed?

      I feel pretty certain he'll dodge answering the question the way he did recently on Fuchs Noose when the issue came up.
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    • Author by Sharpe (March 21, 2010 9:14 pm ET)
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      Article V1 Clause 2
      "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

      Whether the states can violate the supremacy clause? Its not a question, they can;t. Any none of this legislation violates the constitution so much as requiring people wear seat belts or posting speed limits or state laws requiring car insurance would never be considered unconstitutional. Just because you don't like something, doesnt automatically make it in violation of the document you pretend to treasure but really discard unless it helps your argument or you can twist the truth in it. I LOVE how people are acting like this is some sort of catastrophe. OMG - we have to pay for insurance now so we don't die from being uninsured. How horrible?!! Most people who can afford it have insurance and those who don't will receive what SHOULD be considered TAX BREAKS in order to buy it. So they dont go bankrupt when they get sick. This is just pushing whole new lines of crazy right now - just because one person in one state who happens to be a republican attorney screams they will challenge this does not equate to the entire state being against it. And there certainly arent that many state legislatures with giant republican majorities.

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    • Author by Sharpe (March 21, 2010 9:21 pm ET)
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      Do these people have any idea what government takeover means? It would seem to be self-explanatory but apparently not. The government isnt takeover sh11. This is an extremely centrist bill to the point of being conservative by any other countries standards. A mandate from the government to buy insurance is about as interventionist as this bill goes and even that is debatable considering there will still be somewhere around 20 million uninsured americans after this bill takes full effect 10 years down the road. This is a reaffirmation of our failing insurance industry if anything. We are feeding them huge sums of money to insure everyone instead of forcing down their profit to do it. This more closely resembles an insurance industry bailout than a takeover of the insurance industry. Dont worry morons, we will still have those same old snotty insurance reps getting in between us and our doctor
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