Rush responds to Harris poll finding by stating: "The facts are facts. The president is a socialist"
Limbaugh also states: "One of the first things the National Socialist Party did was try to nationalize health care."
March 24, 2010 1:53 pm ET
From the March 24 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
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As a proud liberal Democrat, will you please keep calling Barack Obama a Socialist? It makes me very happy to hear you make such a claim. Much obliged!
Hugs n kisses,
The New Pilgims
They also spewed Propaganda over the radio. Coincidence? I think not.
And one of the things that helped save this country from an attraction, felt by many, toward Fascism, was the Fairness Doctrine. Could that be why Rush, Weiner et al soil their shorts whenever it's mentioned?
Just asking.
Health care in Germany was nationalized long before the Nazis came to power. I believe it was done by the Kaiser's government before the turn of the 20th Century.
God, Limbaugh is suck a dumb motherf***er.
LOL. Rush, this poll proves the only people dumber than you are your listeners.
* 67 percent of Republicans (and 40 percent of Americans overall) believe that Obama is a socialist.
* 57 percent of Republicans (32 percent overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim
* 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president"
* 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did"
* Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist."
And this poll was done by a reputable polling group, Harris!!!
How can they believe he's a Muslim when he attended a church for all those years. How can almost half of them believe that he wasn't born in Hawaii, when the head of the Hawaii Vital Statistics Dept has verified that he's seen the original birth certificate that's stored in their database, and that shows that he was born in 1961 in Hawaii?
And quarter of Republicans say that he may be the Antichrist? Really?
The stuff that these fools believe aren't facts. Obama's not a socialist, he IS an American citizen, born in Hawaii, and he's a Christian.
Obama was a Muslim. He lied when he denied this. Who knows if he still is - we have only his word that he isn't.
I personally believe BHO was born in Hawaii, but I have many friends and family who in good conscience believe otherwise. BHO could put an end to this by providing his LONG FORM birth certificate.
He is doing many of the same things as Hitler. I am not saying he is goingto gas Jews, but I do believe he is about to burn down the "Reichstag". He articially creates crises and uses them as a pretext to increase government power. This is EXACTLY what Hitler did.
I am not prepared to say he is the anti-Christ, but he does fit many of the descriptions of The Beast as laid out in the Book of Revelation.
He did not attend a church. He attended a hate filled racist cult masquerading as a church. That "church" is no different than a Klan rally. He is not Christian - he masquerades as a Christian for political purposes. He is either an atheist or a Muslim.
You remain a fraud and a child.
Well that is certainly clear and convincing proof that Obama is not a socialist. Thanks for setting me straight.
Hey, PJ fan:
You forgot to add "This is a recording" at the end of the above . . .
#2 - According to Janice Okubo, the spokeswoman for the Hawaii Deparment of Health, in the state of Hawaii, there is NO SUCH THING as a long-form or short-form birth certificate. That doesn't exist in Hawaii. There is only one available form of a birth certificate in Hawaii, which is the one the Obama campaign made available in 08. I have told you this multiple times, yet you refuse to acknowledge reality and keep on living in your fantasy-land in which you saying something over and over and over again makes it true. Control your emotions, BJ.
#3 - Where were you when the Bush administration was raising the terror threat level, and scaring the bejeezus out of lots of Americans, for purely political reasons?
Obama had no need to "artificially create" crises when he came into office--the previous administration handed him an economy in free-fall and two disastrous wars.
When Obama went to school in Indonesia he was registered as a Muslim. The above link has a copy of his school registration documents.
Further proof of his Islamic connections
At one point in his life he clearly was a Muslim, yet he states that he never has been. Why is he lying?
There is no evidence whatsoever that President Bush manipulated the threat level for political reasons. Tom Ridge and Michael Chertoff have both said as much. This is just another off the wall crazy lib accusation.
BHO has provided a Certificate of Live Birth. This proves he exists. A Birth Certificate has the name of the hospital, the name of the doctor who delivered him, the time of birth, and a raised seal. Obama has not provided this.
For the record I belive he was born in Honolulu, but his grandmother says that she was present at his birth in Kenya. This is an inconsistency. Why not clarify everything but releasing a Birth Certificate as opposed to a Certificate of Live Birth. As I said, I believe he was born in Hawaii, but I also beleive he clearly has something to hide - perhaps he finds it embarassing that his father was a bigamist?
And stop hiding it. you are a birther through and through. Obama doesn't have to show you people nothing. Obama could not have been born in Mombasa, Kenya, its physically impossible.
If I was a birther so what? A majority of my friends are family are birthers. So what? They are entitled to their opinion.
I was not arguing the birther issue. I was arguint that he is lying when he said he never was a Muslim.
Here is a copy of his school registration certificate in which his religion is clearly listed as Islam.
Obam's school registration certificate
Is the document a forgery like Dan Rather's documents? Nobody has made that charge. It is beyond dispute that at one time of his life he was a Muslim. Why does he deny it?
Yes youa re entitled to your opinion, but don't go around expexting that people must believe it. and its absurdly ironical that youa re saying that they are entitled to their opinions all the while schreeching about liberals in government and believing that if you are a socialist/communist/marxist oyu are not allowed anywhere.
And don't give me some god d@mn youtube proof. Get me research. real proof not some video by a birther crackpot.
And the fact that his religion is listed as islam doesnt' mean Obama is/was a muslim!
Second of all--READ MY LIPS: In the state of Hawaii the ONLY form of birth certificate availabe is the one Obama produced. THE ONLY ONE. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A DIFFERENT FORM OF BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN HAWAII. Phew.
Tom Ridge alleged in his book that top aides to President Bush, including Donald Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft, urged him to raise the terror threat level on the eve of the 2004 election.
I was not arguing the birther issue - for the millionth time I believe Barry was born in Hawaii. I was arguing that he is lying when he says he has never been Muslim. This is demonstrably untrue.
BHO has provided a Certificate of Live Birth.
This proves he exists.
Excellent! That means that you, or I, or Rush, could go to Hawaii, and get a Certificate of Live Birth for ourselves, right? I mean, we clearly exist. That would once and for all prove that a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth is a meaningless document.
So, why hasn't anyone done that?
THe bailouts were not capitalism - certainly not free market capitalism. They were corporate welfare and outrageous. A true capitalist would have allowed the banks to fail. GWB was not a capitalist either - he was a corporatist. He believed in crony capitalism to some extent, but not market capitalism.
Both GWB and BHO believed in the government choosing winners and losers. This is not capitalism. IT is government control.
Socialism is when the government controls the means of production. WHo owns GM, Chrysler, AIG, Bank of America, etc. If the government owns these, it is socialism. The Constitution does not allow the government to own an equity share of an erstwhile private corporation. IF it makes you feel better, I will state that GWB was not a capitalist either.
A latter day defintion of socialism is when government spending supercedes 50% of GDP. Under GWB, government spending never surpassed 35% of GDP. With BHO's ridiculous demented level of spending the number rose to 47% (still not socialist). Healthcare is 1/6 of America's GDP. Government just took over a large chunk of it (they control the exchanges and they just expanded medicaid). This puts the figure of government spending ABOVE 50% of GDP. We are now a socialist country.
BHO did not inherit a socialist nation, but we now are socialist. Ergo, BHO is a socialist.
No matter how much you are told this, you'll never pay attention. The government does not own those companies. They only borrowed money from the government and are indebted to it.
How you define socialism and your cticism of every program makes it sound as if you wish to return to the guilded age, when there was no regulation and social darwinism was the way.
Do you deny that post-healthcare that government spending excedes 50% of GDP. I can provide you ample evidence to the contrary if you dispute this contention.
Spending exceding 50% of GDP is the commonly accepted numerical definition of socialism. We are a socialist nation.
You claim BHO is not a socialist and I just gave you evidence that he is. You can't respone, you say:
WHO GIVES A FLYING F*(K?
And if it exceeds 50% of the GDP, Who gives a flying f*(^? Doy ou care about something that is not related to money or you?
Again, I am giving the economist's definition of socialism and stating that BHO fits this description. YOu are free to not care, but by saying "And if it exceeds 50% of the GDP, Who gives a flying f*(^? " you are essentially stipulating to my premise. Ergo, you can not deny BHO is a socilaist.
I just proved he is and you didn't dispute it.
Money is well down the list of my concerns. God and family come WELL before money.
But I'm talking about the bailout, not the stimulus, which helped REBUILD SOME OF MY ROADS IN CHICAGO. Yep, we're non-productive, all right.
Keep telling yourself that.
Yeah and so? who cares?
Two things about this birther. First he does not have acces to the "long form" certificate, that's kept in record. Second, in what year or how old is Obamam then?
A double Godwin's! First Hitler didn't "create" crisis, Germany was suffering a hyperinflation, opening part for Hitler to scapegoat groups like the Jews, Communists and Roma. "Burn the Reighstag?" We have no parliament, the closest thing to a parliament is Congress and the White House (which you would probably would love to see burn down).
And stop being phony. You are a birther who believes he is the
Anti-christ. Stop it with this "i don't believe he is X, but he may be."
You will bring it back to Wright as if it were some sort of valid argument. And his "God damn America" and "chickens are coming home to roost" are proof af any racism whatsoever. And why do you even care? chances are that you were of those that said Obama was throwing him under the bus after he broke ties with him.
And who are you to say who is christian or not? and you talk as if being Atheist or Muslim are a bad thing.
Being an atheist is a bad thing - and the US is a Judeo-Christian country.
BHO dumped Wright for political expediency. There is no doubt in my mind that he agrees with Wright. Wright said that white people invented the AIDS virus as a means of genocide against blacks. That should come as quite a surprise to many white men in San Francisco.
Do you deny Rev. Wright's "church" is racist? Do you deny Obama attended for 20 years? You are known by the company you keep. Obama associates with racists, terrorists, Communists, criminals (Rezko), and other assorted loons.
The data is sketichy. Historians are not sure about it. What is Obama doing and blaming his political opponents on?
Your proof? And the US is not a Judeo-Christian nation. You deny you are not racist, but if religious (or lack of religion) hate were also considered racist you would still deny it. Why is being Muslim/Atheist a bad thing?
Just because you believe something doesn't make it real. And why would Obama believed something so farfetched and irrational. At least he's not saying "God made AIDS as a punishment for Gays.
Yes i deny it. I have never been there, heard anything aside from what is trumpeted by you birthers. And what do i care about who Obamam associates with. That does not define Obama. His actions will.
So if Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann were to attend Klan rallies, I assume you would have no problem with that?
Every single human being on this planet is born an atheist. They are then indoctrinated into a religion.
And since Hitler is being discussed, let's all remember that Hitler was a good Catholic. He was until the day he committed suicide. Hitler's SS had a nice little slogan: Gott mitt uns. Look it up.
FYI atheism/degree of religiousness is DIRECTLY linked to intellect. 92% of this country's smartest people (Nobel Laurettes, National Academy of Science members, people with PHDs in sciences) do not believe in a personal god. And that percent goes down the less education your pollees have.
Ummm, but I am without bigotry. I judge people on their merits, not their color.
What is your source for this? I suspect you created it out of whole cloth.
Not whole cloth.
You owe Jaap357 an apology.
For what? Whenever I deign to disagree with someone and contradict their facts, I owe them an apology? If that is your standard than you owe me an apology for daring to disagree with me.
I would love to know the methodology of that study. It sounds like folks had a preordained conclusion and shaped the facts to suit their conclusion. This is not science - it is propaganda. Sort of like "global warming".
I provided the reference cite proving it was not created out of whole cloth. You question the methodology. That addresses in no way your accusation of Jaap357. That is called "moving the goalposts and it is dishonorable. If you think of yourself as a "conservative", you are no Conservative.
Does the fact that my parents listed my religion as Catholic on school documents make me a Catholic? Ummm, YES! It does.
But I love the "Facts are facts. Obama's a Socialist." Much like BilldO's "No opinion; just a matter of fact."
I am not at all embarassed to state that Obama is a Marxist -- he is. I will not hide this opinion - I scream it out loud.
Socialism means the government owning the means of production. Obama is marching us in the direction.
A latter day definition of socialist is when government expenditures excede 50% of GDP. Under GWB government spending never exceded 35% of GDP. Before healthcare, Obama's spending took us to the 47% threshold. Healthcare is 1/6 of the nation's economy and he just took over control of a large portion of it. We are now socialist.
Hospitals seem to take no issue with taking federal dollars to run.
Still trying to see where Obama forced GM and Chrysler to take federal dollars. It was offered to save the business and the jobs there-in... I take it you have no real idea how much Detroit and the areas therein rely on auto-manufacturing.
IMO, he should have let the American autos fail, but then you Rethuglicans would have (and continue to) crucify him on the unemployment numbers. Which he SO controls. Guess what... no one in a scared economy is going to hire people no matter how much incentive you give them... Exactly like Bush's stimulus to American citizens, they'll save their money before they hire. At that point, its up to federally funded projects to create jobs, not the free market.
Not exactly seeing socialism in the plan, BJlov.
Then it took the power of the US gov't, which still had the resources to clean up this capitalist mess, to stop a total and complete meltdown.
Yet, somehow the gov't is the bad guy and those CEOs - who awarded themselves tens of millions of dollars in bonuses for their failure - is a shining example of what to do next time it happens.
Wow, Bobby Jindal fan, you sir are living in an alternate reality.
Well that certainly proves that Obama is not a socialist. That is a well constructed rebutal. You certainly proved me wrong.
I just laid out a clear arguement that Obama is a socialist, and you call me names. Sorry, but calling me a crack smoking troll does not prove BHO is not a socialist.
And go back to smoking your crack pipe and freeping some polls, mmm,Kay? You are wasting time and bandwidth you sorry little birther punk.
Who owns AIG, GM, Chrysler, Bank of American, etc.?
You can say they were loans all you want, but they either gave 80% of all shares to the government (AIG), or placed equity as collateral to secure the loans (B of A). The government does have controlling equity interest in GM or Chrysler. THe government used TARP money to buy preferred shares of most investment banks. Other than this being a lie and a bait & switch with the stated purpose of TARP, but it is blatantly unconstitutional.
Socialism is when the goverernment owns the means of production.
I have given you both the political and economic definitions of socialism, and BHO qualifies under both.
You have offered NOTHING in rebuttal to this argument (it is obviously over your head - I somehow doubt you were an Economics major - assuming you went to college).
How is this a childish, idiot, hollow, or superficial argument. I defined socialism and explained how BHO qualifies and you called me a crack smoking troll? Who has substance and who is being childish?
And i'm not rebutting your "argument". Your "aguments" have been refuted by pretty much everybody in this board at one point or another. and you keep bringing Obama is a scialist and think it actually amtters. only hacks give a $#!t.
Do you deny that governmetn spending excedes 50% of GDP?
This is a substantive arguement that BHO is a socialist. Explain to me how I am wrong.
So then if a finacial crisis that could drive everything to $H!t is on the way what you hsould do is stand besides and watch everything crumble? The fact that companies like AIG and Bank of America needed a bailout shows how our governmetn hasn't been working how it should. Companies should shouldn't be allowed to become to big to fail, THAT could economically destroy america.
And yes i deny that Government spending exceeds 50% of the GDP. According to time, as of 2009, consumer spending made up 71% of the GDP. Much much higher then the bogus number you keep bringing up. Just as mark twain once said "Ther are lies, damned lies and statistics".
Hell YES!!! IT is called free market capitalism. Capitalism is all about risk-reward ratio. These companies got all of the reward and assumed none of the risk. This is not capitalism. If a company can not compete, it absolutely should fail. Why in the world do you support welfare for corprations.
At least I am consistent - I oppose welfare for everyone.
I strongly suggest you take Economics 101 because you really do not know what you are talking about. Consumer and government spending are comletely seperate entities.
Furthermore, your 71% statisic is obsolete. It is three years old. If you made this statement in 2007, you would be correct. However, after TARP, bailouts, stimulus, and now healthcare public spending is well over. In 2007 the figure was 35% (if you claim 29% you are wrong, but I won't argue a semantic point. Wall St. suckedered GWB into letting them steal $800 billion. BHO forked over another $862 billion in stimulus (yes, it originally was $787 billion, but GAO raised it up another $75 billion to $862 billion -- not including the costs associated with servicing the debt).
TARP, AIG, stimulus and bailouts pushed the number from 35% (if you want to go with 29% it is not worth disputing you) from 37/29% to 47%. That was before healthcare - a new $2 trillion entitlenmt. Adding all of those together, we have roughly $4 trillion in new spending wince 2007.
Even if I give you the 29% figure - our annual GND is roughly $14 trillion. Are you claiming that $4 trillion (which in and of itself is 28% of GDP all on its own) added to 29% does not equal more than 50%
Do you deny $14 trillion is our annual GDP?
Do you deny that we have added $4 trillion of new spending between 2007 and now?
Do you deny that $4 trillion is roughly 28% of $14 trillion.
Even giving you the 29% number, do you deny that 29 + 28 is greater than 50.
Wake up and smell the socialism!
Can you dispute any of this without calling me a crack smoking troll? Calling me names will not negate these figures.
Do you dispute my figures (I even gave you the 29% number that you calim when you say consumer spending was 71%)? If so tell me where I am wrong.
You want a factual and substantive arguement - I just gave you one - do you have a factual and substantive rebuttal? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
I thought not.
In terms of political theory, socialism is when the government owns the means of production. The government owns GM, Chrysler, AIG, Bank of America, etc. The Constitution does not authorize the government to have an equity interest in an erstwhile private company.
An economist defines socialism as government exppenditures exceding 50% of GDP. This is clearly the case. Do you deny that government exppenditures excede 50% of GDP.
Gee, I guess I do know the definition of socialism. Because I do, I can aver with confidence that B Hussein Obama is indeed a socialist. Game, set, match -- I win.
The Nazis weren't Socialists.
HCR did not nationalize health care. However, it did reform health coverage. Seeing as you are a college dropout radio DJ, I will give you the benefit of ignorance on this point.
Antichrist and Muslim charges both stem from your buddy Glenn Beck's rantings.
You can't be the biggest threat to America when you are claiming that threat comes from Washington itself, just because Democrats rather than Republicans happen to be in charge.
You haven't stated a single fact on air today.
Those are the facts.
Rush doesn't even know what "fact" means.
And I can respond to this by quoting the Junior Senator from the Great State of Minnesota, Al Franken by stating "Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat Idiot."
See: non sequitur.