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CNN's Crowley confirms Tea Party protesters yelled "anti-gay slurs" at Rep. Frank "more than once"

March 28, 2010 12:18 pm ET

From the March 28 edition of CNN's State of the Union with Candy Crowley:

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    • Author by MickD (March 28, 2010 12:24 pm ET)
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      "But...but...that's okay...right?" Fox Chyron
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      • Author by Andy Kreiss (March 28, 2010 12:28 pm ET)
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        This will not be accepted by the wingnuts. A CNN reporter isn't considered credible.They'll need to hear it directly confirmed by a Fox reporter who wasn't there, then they'll "believe" it.
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        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 9:39 pm ET)
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          I'm sure the liberal media is making this up. I don't doubt that for a minute.

          However, even if someone did say it, so what? Don't we have freedom of speech? Words don't damage - what happened to sticks and stones may break my bones but words shall never harm me. Liberals need to grow up.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (March 28, 2010 9:58 pm ET)
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            Maybe we need a good exorcism to run the devil out of us. I hear Bobby Jindal has experience in performing amateur exorcisms...
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          • Author by tman418 (March 28, 2010 10:46 pm ET)
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            Of course we have Freedom of Speech.

            That doesn't mean that there aren't consequences, such as having it reported by the media, being criticized by others for our words, or making your political side look bad.
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          • Author by Sweetesttea (March 29, 2010 12:49 am ET)
               
            considering that bones heal and psychological scars don't, yeah... oh, but it's ok that he verbally assaulted the man, because of freedom of speech, I'm sorry, freedom of speech should be protected, not abused.
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          • Author by Digital Jedi (March 29, 2010 4:30 am ET)
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            Right, because people like these would never say anything mean, nasty or threatening:

            [http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9969/912teapartydcwecameunar.jpg]

            [http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/1929/teapartysigns2.jpg]

            [http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9721/slide139820110large.jpg]

            [http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6347/obamahitler.jpg]

            [http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/711/teaparty2thumb.jpg]

            [http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8099/gunshotn.jpg]

            [http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7840/img00121j.jpg]

            And of course, none of this will have any consequences. Right?
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          • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:15 am ET)
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            first of all claiming that you are sure the (liberal) media is making something up is hardly a sign of being grown up. just like you and your wifes fantasies about obama as a terrorist agent , you cant simply believe what you want to believe . an aduly uses reason and common sense. you simply refuse to accept that the world does not always confirm to your views, therefore you convince yourself of these idiocies. btw calling someone a f#$%%*t is hardly the sign of a grown up.so what? i agree that we shouldnt damn all the tea partiers for the actions of a few, but you are known by the company you keep. if you and you cobelievers had come out and said, the language was inappropriate, and it doesnt represent the bulk of the protesters, then maybe you would have some credibility
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          • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:54 am ET)
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            Im quite certain that your hero bobby jindal is not in agreement with you that having racial insults hurled at you is not damaging
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    • Author by epkklk851 (March 28, 2010 12:27 pm ET)
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      Like I said before, I have a photo that says "Barney Frank is an immoral sexual diviant." I also have posters that depict President Obama as a Muslim and another that depicts him as a witch doctor with red eyes. I can believe that these other things that were said are true. The staffers told me that many of the teabaggers were being rude, pounding on locked doors and leaving ugly, hateful messages on the phone. And then there are the phone messages played on MSNBC, it is clear that lots of people are angry and unhinged, and anything but "common sense Conservatives" like Simple Sarah implies.
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      • Author by TheAncients (March 28, 2010 6:38 pm ET)
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        There is no such thing as "common sense conservatives". It's against the rules to put "common sense" and "conservative" in the same sentence. C'mon man. We learn this kind of stuff in like 1st grade. Whoever broke the rule is to suffer the punishment. Charlie horse, extreme wet willy etc.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (March 28, 2010 7:47 pm ET)
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          Well, then you owe the wet willy to Simple Sarah herself. I put it quotes because that is what she said. But, you're right, they don't belong in the same sentence.
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 9:40 pm ET)
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        MSNBC is not a credible source - they are unhinged lunatics. I had the picture as Obama in muslim garb as my FB profile pic for quite a while. So what?
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        • Author by TheAncients (March 28, 2010 11:17 pm ET)
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          Nobody cares what you think. Any pamela loony geller follower is sure to have been dropped as a baby. Have a nice day.
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          • Author by Bongo Fury (March 28, 2010 11:26 pm ET)
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            I hear you Ancients.This pendejo is such a misogynist that he just rants and raves.Full of sound and fury signifying nothing.
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            • Author by juliajayne1 (March 29, 2010 12:35 am ET)
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              BJFan, a pendejo? Si. Es Verdad. BJFan es gordo y feo tambien. Pobrecito! Okay, I'm just being gratuitous with that last bit! ;-0)
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        • Author by Sweetesttea (March 29, 2010 12:53 am ET)
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          so apparently an actual news organization who spends much of their time debunking what get ranted on Fox is not credible... even though they actually site their sources... please explain...
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        • Author by Digital Jedi (March 29, 2010 4:38 am ET)
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          Live audio is not a credible source because of the network it was played on. Gotcha. I guess that means the Olympics didn't happen either.
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    • Author by princeofwheels (March 28, 2010 12:28 pm ET)
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      Sista Sarah doesn't think..She receives thoughts from her advisors. How dumb can they be.

      To all the Foxbots that post here..here is a word from Sarah...You are a fool, you betch ya.

      No, never would a racist, redneck, hillbilly TeaPartier shout a racial slur at anyone. No, never...unless they are surrounded by a whole group of racist, redneck, hillbilly TeaPartiers. Then their manhood swells right into their voice box. Get the jerk oon this clip alone and he would be dumbfounded when asked any question. Sorry TeaPartiers' this is your crowd, you love 'em, you own 'em.

      But I'd like to thank the TeaParty for showing the Repubs how stupid they really are. TP's stay away from the Conservatives, they are the devil. Think Dick and Liz Cheney.
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      • Author by Andy Kreiss (March 28, 2010 12:37 pm ET)
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        ...unless they are surrounded by a whole group of racist, redneck, hillbilly TeaPartiers. Then their manhood swells right into their voice box.


        That's the nut of it, POW. A mob has the same effect as booze, it lowers inhibitions, bolsters confidence, and is a pretty good truth serum.

        Combine that with the far rights documented difficulty with math, and these people start to believe they're a majority, making them even more brazen with their hate.

        I heard a caller to a radio show the other day (Hal Sparks, doing a pretty good job filling in for Stephanie Miller) who hauled out the well-worn " The overwhelming majority of Americans are against HC reform". The host mentioned that the polls say that enough are opposed because the bill isn't liberal enough that the talking point should be packed away.

        The caller responded with " Then why are there so many protesters ??"

        A loud and emotional group of misinformed suckers, even if they represent the population of one of the nations tiniest towns, convinces the rubes that they're in the majority.
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 9:41 pm ET)
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        Are people from suburban NY redneck hillbillies as well?
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        • Author by Andy Kreiss (March 29, 2010 2:32 am ET)
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          If they're at a teabagger rally they are. You seem to need the most obvious stuff explained to you, BJFan.
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        • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:21 am ET)
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          actually i have met people in ny, boston, detroit and montreal, to name a few places, who I would consider to be redneck in their attitudes.however i think it is a mistake to paint all tea partiers or fox fans as dumb bitter uneducated rednecks. sure that know nothing attitude informs part of their beliefs but many of their members are highly educated successful people. dont make the mistake of thinking your rivals must be fools or you may get a nasty surprise
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        • Author by The_Cat (March 29, 2010 9:57 pm ET)
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          Being a redneck hillbilly is not a regional thing, Bobby Jindal fan. It's a state of mind.
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    • Author by LittleFuzzy (March 28, 2010 12:43 pm ET)
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      BJ Fan will not accept anyone's testimony. There has to be video of the slur and the words must exactly match an accepted slur. The time-stamp must be clearly visible. The person speaking must be positively (DNA is acceptable) shown to NOT be left of Rush Limbaugh or it will be accepted that he/she is a "plant".
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 9:43 pm ET)
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        I certainly don't trust CNN or MSNBC. If someone I trust made the claim I would probably believe it, but it did not happen. Dems are making stuff up to manipulate people. Nobody yelled any racial slurs and nobody spit - it is a lie.
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        • Author by Sweetesttea (March 29, 2010 12:56 am ET)
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          oh but the weapons of mass destruction are totally real... they are still out there. you better go look for them.
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        • Author by Digital Jedi (March 29, 2010 4:40 am ET)
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          Just like the Olympics.
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        • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:23 am ET)
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          ok at first I thought you were deluded now I can see you are just lying. You can hold your breathe and stomp your feet all you want but deep inside you know that it happened
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        • Author by TheAncients (March 29, 2010 2:37 pm ET)
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          Yeah. Nobody got spit at. Congressman Cleaver got stung by a bee and decided to lash out at some random white guy while blaming republicans that he was spat on.

          Source: foxnews.com
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    • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 12:43 pm ET)
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      There you have it, folks. Conclusive proof that those angry Tea Party mobs are racist and homophobic.

      Actually this is bordering on pathetic. Virtually everyone who owns a cell phone nowadays has a video camera in their pocket. If these slurs did indeed occur there is video of it. No video has surfaced yet. The only logical conclusion, then, is that it didn't happen. And that's not to say there aren't racist, homophobic Tea Party people. Probability states that there is at least one. To start painting the entire movement as racist and homophobic though shows just how biased some of these journalists are.

      And as for the spitting incidence. The guy was clearly shouting very loudly at the Congressman (trying to be heard) and it appears spittle came out. I don't know a single person that spits by cupping their hands around their mouth. If you're gonna spit you just spit. Patooey!
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      • Author by SMTDL (March 28, 2010 12:53 pm ET)
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        Then why don't Teabaggers near the congressmen show their sound video of what was said when they passed by..they can prove it too!!!Right?
        I think the spitting was inadvertent ..just a "foaming at the mouth" shout down..much better ..much more respectful of a member of Congress!!
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        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 9:47 pm ET)
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          ..much better ..much more respectful of a member of Congress!!


          Exactly why should I be respectful of members of Congress? They are stealing from me - they are ruining my country. I have no obligation whatsoever to be respectul of them. Just because they conned gullible saps into voting for them does not make them any better than anyone else?

          The same holds true for B Hussein. Why should I respect him? I think he is human garbage and I have no requirement to show him any respect whatsoever. If I saw him, I wouldn't spit on him, but I would absolutely heckle him mercilessly. I don't owe him a damn thing.
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          • Author by princeofwheels (March 28, 2010 11:47 pm ET)
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            Of course you could have a conversation with him. On second thought, don't even try, you wouldn't understand anything he said, starting with HELLO..you'd wonder what he meant by that.

            Aluminum foil is on sale this week. Get the heavy duty stuff.
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            • Author by Bongo Fury (March 29, 2010 12:01 am ET)
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              Beej is getting a little testy lately.Simple Sarah might have to do an intervention.
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          • Author by Bongo Fury (March 29, 2010 12:23 am ET)
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            It's not "your" country BJ.
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          • Author by Johaely (March 29, 2010 11:44 am ET)
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            And then when the secret service jumps you, or he himself punches you in the face (which would be awesome), you will be screaming about "my freedom of speech is being curtailed!", "Libs can't just take it how it is. Look intolerant he was of my opinion!"
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      • Author by alienofwar (March 28, 2010 12:54 pm ET)
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        Ah I see, so because there is no video, that is proof it didn't happen. With logic like that, it's no wonder you believe everything you hear from the right-wing media.
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        • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 1:30 pm ET)
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          Ah I see, so because there is no video, that is proof it didn't happen. With logic like that, it's no wonder you believe everything you hear from the right-wing media.
          Wow. Just. Wow. We have no evidence either way. That's my point. Why do you just assume someone is guilty of something just because there is no video of them standing there silent?
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          • Author by cst (March 28, 2010 1:37 pm ET)
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            So your argument is it's all just "he said, she said". Fair enough. Why do you choose to believe the people on YOUR side of the argument, then? Why is the word of any random right wing protester protester automatically more trustworthy than that of a civil rights legend?
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            • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 1:58 pm ET)
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              Why is the word of any random right wing protester protester automatically more trustworthy than that of a civil rights legend?
              They're not. All I'm arguing is that it's unfair to paint the average Tea Partier as racist just because a "civil rights legend" claims he was called bad names.
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              • Author by bintx (March 28, 2010 3:07 pm ET)
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                Sorry, but I know average tea partiers . . . the majority of them are racist, uninformed clods like you.
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                • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 3:10 pm ET)
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                  Prove it.
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                  • Author by bintx (March 28, 2010 3:13 pm ET)
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                    I also think that you aren't just a Beck-clone, I think you might actually be the real, uneducated, mentally unstable thing. Prove you aren't.
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                    • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 9:48 pm ET)
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                      ou claim to be a researcher. You must not be a very good one if it has taken you two weeks to produce the two quotes. Just admit you are a liar.
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                      • Author by political_left-religious_right (March 29, 2010 12:55 pm ET)
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                        Oooh, Bobby Jindal fan, who never saw an inconvenient fact he couldn't claim was bogus, is calling someone else a liar. That's got to sting.

                        About as much as Ivory Soap, that is.
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                    • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:30 am ET)
                         
                      im sorry but you made a silly statement and he asked you to prove it. i think you should offer some evidence or concede that you cant support what you stated
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                  • Author by jjamele2880 (March 28, 2010 3:21 pm ET)
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                    I suppose that if we could get a tea partier to admit to being a racist, that would be enough evidence for you, since you clearly consider the word of a nameless tea bagger to be more believable than, say, a Congressman who risked his life o fight for Civil Rights.
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                    • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 4:55 pm ET)
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                      I suppose that if we could get a tea partier to admit to being a racist
                      What part don't you get? I'm not saying there are no racists in the Tea Party movement! Jesus, people. You all just cling to one template and stick with it don't you?
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                      • Author by The_Cat (March 28, 2010 6:43 pm ET)
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                        Seen lots of racist signs from the Tea Party group, and now they're shouting racial and homophobic comments at our elected officials. Know what I've never heard or seen? Someone representing the Tea party on TV who was denouncing any of this. They are either racists, or through their inaction or cowardice, they support racism. Quite simple, really.
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                        • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 7:18 pm ET)
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                          They are either racists, or through their inaction or cowardice, they support racism. Quite simple, really.
                          So the liberals who protested Bush ALL wanted to assassinate Bush since they didn't speak out against the small minority who wanted Bush dead? I don't think that's how sound logic and reasoning works.
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                          • Author by The_Cat (March 28, 2010 8:33 pm ET)
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                            Every media outlet in the country banded together against the anti-war protesters. Don't see that happening with the Tea Party, do ya?

                            This would be a false equivalence on your part.
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                            • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 9:22 pm ET)
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                              Every media outlet in the country banded together against the anti-war protesters. Don't see that happening with the Tea Party, do ya?
                              I don't see a false equivalence because not every media outlet did band against the anti-war protesters. I see most media outlets banding against the Tea Party.
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                        • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:35 am ET)
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                          i have seen some denouncing these acts, but I have seen more making statements that seem designed to stir up more hatred, even violence. a lot of tea party supporters are becoming very uncomfortable with those they are associated with and that is showing in their dropping numbers. but still I hate to agree wuith mag cynic but you cant paint all tea partiers with the same brush. a small minority used theses terms, a larger minority approved and a sizable group of them was disgusted.
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                      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 9:51 pm ET)
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                        MagCynic- They can not argue with the Tea Party on substance, ideas, or facts. All they have is name calling. Just accept it as a victory whenever they call you stupid, a racist or whatever other ad hominen du jour they can conjure.
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                        • Author by Andy Kreiss (March 29, 2010 2:36 am ET)
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                          They can not argue with the Tea Party on substance, ideas, or facts.


                          It doesn't happen often, but I totally agree with you here, BJ. That would be like discussing calculus with garden slugs.
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                          • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:40 am ET)
                               
                            just as I cant argue with my 3 year old son when he is screaming and throwing a tantrum
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                        • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:39 am ET)
                             
                          so the person who thinks screaming f@%%*t and N$%^*#r at congressman is ok is now decrying name calling ?
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                        • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:39 am ET)
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                          so the person who thinks screaming f@%%*t and N$%^*#r at congressman is ok is now decrying name calling ?
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                      • Author by Sweetesttea (March 29, 2010 1:05 am ET)
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                        the classic avoidance of the republican party... thank you for not answering the question, that just shows that it's true.
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                    • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 9:50 pm ET)
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                      I suppose that if we could get a tea partier to admit to being a racist, that would be enough evidence for you, since you clearly consider the word of a nameless tea bagger to be more believable than, say, a Congressman who risked his life o fight for Civil Rights.


                      Yes I would trust a nameless Tea Partier over Emmanuel Cleaver and John Lewis. John Lewis and Emmanuel Cleaver are lying. The Tea Partyiers are telling the trutyh.
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                      • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:57 am ET)
                           
                        they spit on themselves, you see. just like john lewis actually self inflicted those scars on his head that liberals claimed were caused by police night sticks.
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                      • Author by political_left-religious_right (March 29, 2010 12:59 pm ET)
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                        The Tea Partyiers are telling the trutyh.

                        Haven't figured out the preview button yet, have you?

                        And if you ever get to that level, maybe we can discuss your grossly inapt statements on their own merits.
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                  • Author by Sweetesttea (March 29, 2010 1:03 am ET)
                       
                    look at who is leading them please.
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                  • Author by Digital Jedi (March 29, 2010 4:43 am ET)
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                    See previously posted pictures.
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                • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 9:47 pm ET)
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                  It has been two weeks - no quotes yet?
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                  • Author by princeofwheels (March 28, 2010 11:50 pm ET)
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                    BJ FAN...I seem to notice a trend. You ask MagicC to back you or agree with you and nothing ever happens..can you take a hint?
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                • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:29 am ET)
                     
                  im sorry but how many thousands of tea party members do you know. you have no idea what the average tea partier thinks any more than i do. that statement reminds me of aman Imet in michigan who told me that he knew lots of muslim amd the average muslim did not love america like he did
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                • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:29 am ET)
                     
                  im sorry but how many thousands of tea party members do you know. you have no idea what the average tea partier thinks any more than i do. that statement reminds me of aman Imet in michigan who told me that he knew lots of muslim amd the average muslim did not love america like he did
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              • Author by Ruby (March 28, 2010 3:16 pm ET)
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                Here's a question:

                A tea party activist in Virginia posted the home address of Rep. Periello's brother on his tea party blog. When informed that the address was not Periello's but was actually the address of his brother's family, the tea party activist responded "Oh well, collateral damage". Shortly after this address was posted on the tea party blog, someone went out and cut the gas line to the house.

                Now, mag. Why would someone do that? Why would a tea party activist post the home address of the loved ones of a representative of congress? If not for the sole purpose of intimidation?
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                • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 5:01 pm ET)
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                  Now, mag. Why would someone do that?
                  He probably wanted people to protest outside his house like Cindy Sheehan protests outside of Bush's house.
                  Why would a tea party activist post the home address of the loved ones of a representative of congress?
                  You just said he didn't know it was his loved ones and was actually thinking he posted the address of the actual representative. He never intended to post the address of his family.
                  If not for the sole purpose of intimidation?
                  Again, I can only imagine what was going through his mind. I guess that he wanted people to protest outside his house in an attempt to get him to voting no on the HCR bill.
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                  • Author by Ruby (March 28, 2010 6:04 pm ET)
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                    Did you not catch his reply when someone pointed out that that wasn't Periello's address but actually the address of his brother? "Oh well, collateral damage". He only took the post down after one of his readers (of his tea party blog) went out and cut the gas line to the house.

                    And do you really think someone protesting outside Bush's ranch which is a huge compound, is comparable to someone posting the home address online to the general public of the loved ones of a congressman? Really? You think Periello's brother lives in a huge compound with the kind of security that Bush's ranch had?
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                    • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 7:17 pm ET)
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                      And do you really think someone protesting outside Bush's ranch which is a huge compound, is comparable to someone posting the home address online to the general public of the loved ones of a congressman? Really? You think Periello's brother lives in a huge compound with the kind of security that Bush's ranch had?
                      I have no idea how large his brother's house is so I have no clue how comparable it is. Do you know?
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                      • Author by my4cents (March 28, 2010 7:32 pm ET)
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                        Can you guess how much security Periello's brother compared to President Bush?
                        Clue -> One is the President of US and and the other brother of a Congressman.
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                      • Author by The_Cat (March 29, 2010 8:58 am ET)
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                        You have an unassailable 'us and them' mentality, MagCynic.

                        No matter what teabaggers do, you either support, explain away, or feign ignorance, meanwhile ascribing to this astroturfed movement and it's membership only the purest of motives.

                        And, for the other side, you ascribe only the most evil intent regardless of their words or actions.

                        Are you a star bellied sneech?
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                      • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:43 am ET)
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                        dont be obtuse. you know that no average citizen could ever find his way onto bushs ranch to do him harm without being shot down or arrested. obviously someone didnt have any trouble sneaking onto his brothers property
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                  • Author by Sweetesttea (March 29, 2010 1:08 am ET)
                       
                    ok, so back to the original question of whether or not the average tea bagger is an ignorant and racist idividual...
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                • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 9:54 pm ET)
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                  I'll bet is was actually a liberal who cut the gas line to Periello's brother's house simply to try to make conservatives look bad.

                  The person who did this obviously got the wrong address. If you aren't smart enough to get an address correct, you are pretty stupid. This furthers my belief that it was indded a liberal who did it to make conservatives look bad.
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                  • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (March 28, 2010 10:49 pm ET)
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                    The person who did this obviously got the wrong address. If you aren't smart enough to get an address correct, you are pretty stupid. This furthers my belief that it was indded a liberal who did it to make conservatives look bad.

                    The wrong address was posted by a right wing blogger, so I guess that makes him the stupid one. So how does HIS stupidity infer that a liberal cut that gas line?
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                    • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 11:00 pm ET)
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                      It is my supposition that a liberal posted the address and a liberal cut the gas line in a pathetic attempt to make conservatives look bad.

                      My point is that liberals are less intelligent than conservatives and more apt to get things wrong. If a conservative cut the line he would have cut the line at Periello's house - not his brother's. The fact that the miscreant got the address wrong leads me to belive he is a liberal.
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                      • Author by tman418 (March 28, 2010 11:10 pm ET)
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                        I suppose these unintelligent people are liberals?
                        [teabaggers-stole-dictionary.jpg]
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                      • Author by tman418 (March 28, 2010 11:18 pm ET)
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                        That was a test. Let me try again.
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                        BJ Fan's response: "It's True! Obama stole her dictionary on purpose so she could spell wrong and make the Tea Baggers look bad!"
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                        • Author by tman418 (March 29, 2010 12:13 am ET)
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                          Oh and in case you're not sure what the first picture is, it's a guy whose math adds up to 139%.
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                          • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 29, 2010 12:30 pm ET)
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                            Oh and in case you're not sure what the first picture is, it's a guy whose math adds up to 139%.


                            Um, no. Are you the person who submitted the bogus double counting of medicare numbers to CBO?

                            You are double counting. The top 1% is part of the top 50%. It is true the top 50% (of which the top 1% is a part) pay 97% of taxes whilst the bottom 50% pay 3%.

                            The top 1% is a SUBSET of the top 50% group and they pay 39% on their won. This is GROSSLY unfair. 50% are moochers getting a free ride.

                            Sorry to expose you as a fool, but you had it coming.
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                            • Author by tman418 (March 29, 2010 5:58 pm ET)
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                              Even if this guy's math is correct, what is his point? The top 1% could pay a little more. And the top 50 make about 97% of the income.

                              Shall we extract $20,000 out of every adult worker per year in this country so it's 50/50?
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                              • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 30, 2010 1:04 am ET)
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                                The top 1% could pay a little more.


                                WHY? Why should the top 1% pay more? It is their money and you have no right to claim it. They pay plenty. IT is not their responsibility to support lazy liberals.

                                The top 1% are MASSIVELY overtaxed. If it were up to me I would give the top 1% of all earners a MASSIVE tax cut! Why does nobody ever discuss government greed? The government is the greediest of all actors for trying to bleed people dry of the money they EARNED.

                                What possible justification could you have for stealing even more money from the top 1%. They EARNED it - it is THEIR money. Why do you want more of it? Envy is a sin. Thou shalt not cover they neighbors goods - you liberals are certaily guilty of that.

                                Liberals are greedy and you don't even have the dignity to say thank you those from whom you mooch. They want to expropriate money that they did not EARN.
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                            • Author by The_Cat (March 29, 2010 10:05 pm ET)
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                              Except that the top 1% do not pay 97% of taxes, Bobby Jindal fan. You are quite mistaken about that.

                              You claim free ride, but you are wrong about that as well. If you have a telephone, an automobile, or a job, you pay taxes to the federal government.
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                              • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 30, 2010 1:07 am ET)
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                                Cat- With all due respect you need to read more carefully. The top FIFTY percent of earners pay 97% of all taxes. The top one percent pay approximately 33% of all taxes.

                                THat is FAR FAR too much. If Dems had their way, out of shortsighted greed they would kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

                                The top 1% cumulative should pay no more than 10-15% of all taxes.
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                                • Author by The_Cat (March 30, 2010 10:09 am ET)
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                                  The top 50% do not pay 97% of all taxes. Income tax only accounts for around 50% of all federal revenue.

                                  The top 1% own about 90% of the wealth. Since the support of the bottom 99% of Americans makes this vast wealth possible, it seems only fair that the top 1% get to pay 99% of the taxes as well. Not that anything remotely close to that will ever happen, of course.

                                  You seem to favor a 'bottom-up' approach to taxation. I favor a 'top-down' approach myself. Start at the highest levels of income and tax your way down as you need to the lower tiers.

                                  As for the goose that lays the golden egg, it is small business where innovation and job growth comes from, and that drives our economy. We're not talking small business here, and even if we were, Republicans hate small business. All their policies show that to be true.

                                  The top 1% should pay taxes according to their share of the national wealth. Those who can afford to pay more tax should pay more tax. We all work equally hard for our money. Some of us make more, some less. We are all Americans, regardless of income.
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                                  • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 30, 2010 2:39 pm ET)
                                       
                                    Cat - I didn't say the top 50% pay 97% of all INCOME taxes - I said they pay 97% of all taxes. Sales taxes/property taxes/user fees/death tax/capital gains tax, etc

                                    When you add it up, it comes out at 97%.

                                    Some people work harder than others for their money. In general (with admitted exceptions such as trust fund babies), the rich have more because they worked harder.
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                                    • Author by The_Cat (March 30, 2010 5:08 pm ET)
                                         
                                      Fine. Cite your source.
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                                      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 31, 2010 12:52 am ET)
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                                        Taxes and Income

                                        Is the Wall St. Jornal a good enough source for you?
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                                        • Author by The_Cat (March 31, 2010 9:27 am ET)
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                                          Last week the Congressional Budget Office joined the IRS in releasing tax numbers for 2005, and part of the news is that the richest 1% paid about 39% of all income taxes that year. The richest 5% paid a tad less than 60%, and the richest 10% paid 70%


                                          First, it quotes the CBO, which you have argued lies. So, why should I trust these stats any more than you trust what they say about HCR?

                                          Second, you said all taxes. This article is about income tax only, which accounts for only about half of all federal revenue. Your argument is, even if I accept you evidence at face value, therefore a massive fail.

                                          By 'the modern era', they must be referring to 'since Reagan', because during the 1950s, the taxes on income over $400,000 was around 90%. Remember the 1950s? The time when all Faux Cons dream of returning to? Massive economic growth, leading the world, etc.? Yeah. Taxes on the wealthy could stand to be, at the very least, doubled. Let's agree to set the bar for 'wealthy' at $1 million/year income.
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                      • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (March 28, 2010 11:38 pm ET)
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                        That's ridiculous. The conservative Tea Bagger who posted the address bragged about it and said he saw nothing wrong with having done it.
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                        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 29, 2010 4:32 pm ET)
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                          He is lying about being a conservative. He is actulaly a liberal masquerading as a conservative in a pathetic attempt to make conservatives look bad.
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                      • Author by tman418 (March 29, 2010 12:13 am ET)
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                        Or, BJFan,

                        Maybe McCain was just a liberal agent who ran a bad campaign purposely to let Obama win!

                        Or maybe the conservative blog was a liberal blog all along...preparing for the moment to release the address!

                        Or maybe George H.W. Bush raised taxes to lose on purpose to Bill Clinton, being a liberal all along!
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                      • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (March 29, 2010 12:19 am ET)
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                        It is my supposition that a liberal posted the address

                        Your supposition would be wrong because it was a
                        Viginia Teapartier who posted Perriellos Brother's address
                        My point is that liberals are less intelligent than conservatives and more apt to get things wrong.

                        That is your opinion. Unless you have some emperical evidence to support such a ridiculous claim. If you want to debate an substance you need to provide some.
                        It is my supposition that...a liberal cut the gas line in a pathetic attempt to make conservatives look bad.
                        The fact that the miscreant got the address wrong leads me to belive he is a liberal.

                        Your supposition is based on your own bigotry and only that, Sherlock!.
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                        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 29, 2010 12:34 pm ET)
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                          Um, no. It is my contention that someone POSING as a Virginia Tea Partier who posted the address. A conservative would have posted the correct address. It is a liberal who wouldn't be bright enough to get the address correctly.

                          If I were stupid (as the Left is) I could go on a liberal website, pose as a leftist radical, and call for violence against a conservative leader in order to make the Left look bad.

                          Bigotry? Now I know you are losing if that is all you have. Whenever liberals are losing an argument they play the race card. I have not said one thing even remotely bigoted (and I defy you to prove otherwise). This really is the last refuge of scoundrels.
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                          • Author by political_left-religious_right (March 29, 2010 1:11 pm ET)
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                            It is my supposition that...a liberal cut the gas line in a pathetic attempt to make conservatives look bad.

                            Your side doesn't need help.

                            My point is that liberals are less intelligent than conservatives and more apt to get things wrong.

                            So says the one who can never seem to post anything without at least one misspelling and one gross error in fact. Sorry, BJ fan, but you have roughly the same record of success as Bob Buhl batting in 1962.
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                            • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 29, 2010 4:24 pm ET)
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                              There is a difference between a misspelling and a typo. I have never posted an error.

                              If the best you can do to combat my arguments is to point out typos, it shows the intellectual bankruptcy of your cause. That is really pretty week. You can't touch me on substnace so you call me a racist and call out a typo. Pathetic! Every time you do this you are ostensibly conceding that you can not combat me on substance.

                              There are a few people here who make interesting thoughtful points - you are not one of them.
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                              • Author by political_left-religious_right (March 30, 2010 9:55 am ET)
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                                There is a difference between a misspelling and a typo.

                                As a former magazine editor, I'm perfectly aware of that. They both, however, make you look stupid.

                                I have never posted an error.

                                You have posted many errors and many outright lies. When these are pointed out to you, you disappear with your tail between your legs.

                                If the best you can do to combat my arguments is to point out typos, it shows the intellectual bankruptcy of your cause.

                                It isn't the best, and you know it. The fact that you avoid the actual substance of my post shows... well, we all know.

                                That is really pretty week [sic].

                                Do tell.

                                You can't touch me on substnace [sic] so you call me a racist and call out a typo.

                                Whoops, another lie. I've never called you a racist or anything like it.

                                Pathetic! Every time you do this you are ostensibly

                                Whoa, a four-syllable word. I'm impressed.

                                conceding that you can not combat me on substance.

                                Combating you on substance is like combating George W. Bush in chess or Scrabble. It's so easy to win that you have to give him a handicap.

                                There are a few people here who make interesting thoughtful points - you are not one of them.

                                Oooh, I feel so belittled. Okay, no I don't. Your comments are so routinely worthless that I take it as a badge of honor to be insulted by the likes of you.

                                Here's to your first intelligent post... whenever it comes.
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                          • Author by Ruby (March 29, 2010 1:18 pm ET)
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                            The Virginia Tea Partier is not a liberal. He is a conservative. He's one of the main organizers of the Virginia tea party group and has been for a while.

                            And when it was pointed out to him that it was the incorrect address his response was , "Oh well, collateral damage". It was not a liberal who posted the address--and it's silly for you to keep saying that when all you need to do really is just read an article or two about the incident to realize the facts.

                            Furthermore, it is ridiculous for you to sit here and assert that liberals are "stupid" and conservatives are smart. What are you? Five years old on the playground? Grow up.

                            I don't think intelligence really has all that much to do with political leanings. My dad is socially liberal but overall leans more conservative than I do--we have the same level of education, we read the same books and watch the same television programs, but we just happen to sometimes get something different out of it. And furthermore, multiple studies, including one by the Pew Research Center, have affirmed that liberals are the most educated ideological demographic.
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                          • Author by Ruby (March 29, 2010 1:23 pm ET)
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                            One study suggests that a person's politics has less to do with their intelligence as their overall personality.

                            In 1969, Berkeley professors Jack and Jeanne Block embarked on a study of childhood personality, asking nursery school teachers to rate children's temperaments. They weren't even thinking about political orientation.

                            Twenty years later, they decided to compare the subjects' childhood personalities with their political preferences as adults. They found arresting patterns. As kids, liberals had developed close relationships with peers and were rated by their teachers as self-reliant, energetic, impulsive, and resilient. People who were conservative at age 23 had been described by their teachers as easily victimized, easily offended, indecisive, fearful, rigid, inhibited, and vulnerable at age 3. The reason for the difference, the Blocks hypothesized, was that insecure kids most needed the reassurance of tradition and authority, and they found it in conservative politics.


                            Interesting.
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                            • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 29, 2010 4:28 pm ET)
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                              Just the opposite is true. It is conservatives who preach independence and caring for yourself. It is liberals who preach victimization and love handouts.

                              It is the liberals who are offended by words. There was no racist language last Saturday. I concede that it is possible that someone may have said something to Barney Frank. So what? It's only words - why are liberals so easily offended.

                              Liberals call conservatives every name in the book and conservatives don't care. I will grant ou that conservatives are more fearful. We know there will be no safety net for us (that liberals like to use as a hammock) and we are terrified about what BHO is doing to destroy the country. I admit I am very afraid.

                              The study is from Berkeley so I am automaticlaly suspicious of its motivations and conclusions.
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                              • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 29, 2010 4:30 pm ET)
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                                Authority (particularly religious authority) provides structure in one's life. It provides boundries. Conservatives do not have immoral anything goes (if it feels good do it) behavior.

                                Liberals lack standards and as a result their behavior is often poor. The behavior of conservatives is orderly and structured. Our parents disciplined us - they did not cater to us.

                                Liberals let their kids act self indulgent and do anything they want.
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                                • Author by The_Cat (March 29, 2010 10:09 pm ET)
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                                  Conservatives do not have immoral anything goes (if it feels good do it) behavior.


                                  So, Dick Cheney and George Bush were not conservatives? Because torturing helpless people felt good to them, so they did it. Ditto for handing out billions to their already obscenely wealthy buddies. Ditto for illegally invading sovereign nations for fun and profit.

                                  As for orderly and structured, I suppose that is indeed one way to describe fascism.

                                  Your statements about liberals show that you have no concept of whom you speak.
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                                  • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 30, 2010 1:13 am ET)
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                                    Cat - First of all I do not concede that waterboarding is torture. Even if terrorists were tortured (REAL torture) I do not have a problem with it if the purpose is to save lives.

                                    Secondly, Why do yo urefer to terrorists as helpness people. I do not see Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as a helpless victim - I see him as a sociopathic killer who murdered 3,000 people. I do not have the slightest reservation about dunking him in water.

                                    Thirdly, Neither Bush nor Cheney nortured anyone for their personal amusement. Bush & Cheney did not do anything to anyone - they ordered others to do so. If it were for their personal amusement surely they would have been present?

                                    Fourthly, GWB did not "illegally" invade any nation. COngress passed an authorization allowing him to do so. To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing in the Constitution that says the CINC needs UN approval to conduct military action. You are using a cliche when you refer to the "illegal" war - there was nothing illegal about it. You can question the wisdom of the policy, but you can not argue that it was illegal.

                                    Fifthly, most successful people grew up in highly structured home. If you love your kids, you will see to it that they lead ordered lives and are discplined. Children should learn to obey and respect their parents as well as to worship God. That is how my parents raised me and that is how we are raising our two kids.



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                                    • Author by The_Cat (March 30, 2010 10:04 am ET)
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                                      About torture: You don't have to concede that waterboarding is torture, Bobby Jindal fan. It's not up for debate. According to U.S. law, and both international law and international treaties to which we are a party, it is illegal. You can believe as you like, but it will not change the law itself.

                                      Second, anyone in custody, under the full control of their captors, is helpless. Whatever KSM may have done is irrelevant until and unless he is convicted in a court of law. We are a nation of laws, and abandoning our principles for revenge turns US into the terrorists. Until convicted, those detained were innocent. Period.

                                      You assert Bush/Cheney did not torture anyone personally. I wonder how often they got off watching the videos, though, before the CIA destroyed them. Cheney is a cowardly, bed-wetting little girl, and always has been.

                                      Bush lied about WMD and 9-11 connections and unilaterally and illegally invaded a sovereign nation that was no credible threat to us. He knew it was wrong when he did it.

                                      'Highly structured' is open to interpretation. 'Conservatives' have no stranglehold on disciplining children, or raising well behaved children. We are all individuals, and need varying levels of structure and freedom.
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                                • Author by MazingerZetto (March 29, 2010 11:47 pm ET)
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                                  So all those Republicans getting caught with Mistresses... they're not immoral?
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                      • Author by cst (March 29, 2010 10:36 am ET)
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                        It is openly acknowledged that the blogger who posted the address was a conservative. I'd like to give you the benefit of a doubt that you're too stupid to have actually read and understood the story, but you haven't earned it. You're lying, pure and simple.
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                        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 29, 2010 5:02 pm ET)
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                          It is openly acknowledged


                          Openly acknowledged by whom? Liberals?
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                          • Author by cst (March 30, 2010 12:15 pm ET)
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                            Don't you even read the previous responses to your own posts? Or are you literally incapable of absorbing information that you simply don't want to hear? Here it is again: http://politifi.com/news/Tea-Partier-Who-Joked-About-Posting-Perriellos-Brothers-Address-That-Was-A-Mistake-333677.html
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                      • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:47 am ET)
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                        so I guess you argument is that right wingers are better at terrorism?
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                  • Author by Sweetesttea (March 29, 2010 1:10 am ET)
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                    ok, so the liberals who are largely populated in cities and college locations are the dumb ones?
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                  • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:46 am ET)
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                    I cant figure out if you are a teenage frat boy thinking he is pranking us, a deluded sad case who needs therapy for his delusions or just someone with no shame who will spout anything ala karl rove
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          • Author by ConstanceRifleII (March 28, 2010 1:56 pm ET)
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            Wow. Just. Wow. We have no evidence either way. That's my point. Why do you just assume someone is guilty of something just because there is no video of them standing there silent?


            Uhm, he didn't assume that at all. You are assuming that he is assuming that because he is making fun of you. But really, you have to admit that
            No video has surfaced yet. The only logical conclusion, then, is that it didn't happen.
            is a pretty idiotic statement.
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          • Author by pamiety (March 28, 2010 4:37 pm ET)
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            I have one question to ask, do you think, believe or have heard anything racial, sexist, religious, or gender bias at these rallies?
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          • Author by Reinhard (March 28, 2010 5:04 pm ET)
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            Why do you assume the politicians who made the claim are lying?
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            • Author by Quicksilver M.S (March 28, 2010 10:36 pm ET)
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              In this day and AGE... in this day and age... There is NO respect! No respect for anyone !
              My WORD.. has no meaning if no Video backs me up!

              Shall we then Trash anything that has happened in our life time!
              IF..... NO VIDEO on the event to PROVE the event had happened!

              We have NO VIDEO of Osama bin Laden plotting the attack of Sept. 11/ 2001!
              We except, We know, We "Do not need any .. VIDEOs".. to know Osama bin Laden did it!

              Why then ? Why then, do I not believe an Elected Member of Congress words of an event.. and Except the words of a the Tea Party that it did not happen?
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          • Author by Quicksilver M.S (March 28, 2010 11:48 pm ET)
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            MagCynic:
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          • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 11:25 am ET)
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            why have so many tea party supporters apologized or condemned the incidents that didnt happen
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      • Author by pete592 (March 28, 2010 1:12 pm ET)
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        Not only are more than a few Teabaggers racist and homophobic, they're also living off the big government that they hate so much.

        Vanderboegh said he once worked as a warehouse manager but now lives on government disability checks.

        Mr. Grimes, who receives Social Security, has filled the back seat of his Mercury Grand Marquis with the literature of the movement, including Glenn Beck’s "Arguing With Idiots" and Frederic Bastiat's "The Law," which denounces public benefits as "false philanthropy."

        What better to do when you're unemployed, disabled or retired and you've got the government helping you? Take a trip to D.C. or Searchlight and protest evil government assistance programs of course!!!

        The Teabag movement is a joke that continues to write itself.
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        • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 1:27 pm ET)
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          Not only are more than a few Teabaggers racist and homophobic
          True. I just used the number one because there is probably a 99.99% chance that at least one Tea Party protester is racist AND homophobic.
          they're also living off the big government that they hate so much.
          You say "they're" living off the government and then proceed to cite two people. By saying "they're" you must mean the average Tea Partier or at least 50.1% of Tea Party protesters. Are there only 3 Tea Party protesters in the country?
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          • Author by The_Cat (March 28, 2010 1:35 pm ET)
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            Uh, yep. Rick Berman, Roger Ailes, and Mr. Koch. Those are the three Tea Party people. Everyone else is just lemmings along for the ride off the cliff.
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          • Author by pete592 (March 28, 2010 3:54 pm ET)
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            No, I say "more than a few" are living off the government. If there are two confirmed cases of Teabaggers living on the dole out of the "two million" then there are bound to be a few more.
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          • Author by Sweetesttea (March 29, 2010 1:18 am ET)
               
            wow, i don't know how to be civil to someone who tries so hard to be right when you're clearly not... and not only are you wrong, but you are so ignorant that you have no idea what you are actually talking about
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        • Author by Porkeater (March 28, 2010 2:11 pm ET)
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          World-class irony
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      • Author by The_Cat (March 28, 2010 1:33 pm ET)
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        So, now you've seen the video, and you have evidence from the Congressman and from the police who detained this Tea Party goer, and you still say no. Fine.

        Here is a prime problem with the Tea Party, ably demonstrated by MagCynic. There are no facts. There is no such thing as a fact. There is only 'opinion' and 'side'. What is your 'opinion'? Whose 'side' are you on?

        In this particular wingnut world, one of two things can happen with a witness:

        1) They are a member of the Tea Party, and so even if they have video proving that any of these things took place, they will not reveal it for the good of their 'side'.

        2) Any witness who comes forward, regardless of their affiliation, and confirms that any of these instances did indeed take place are automatically members of the other 'side', and lying to make the Tea Party people look bad.

        If I had a particular target in mind, and it was at all windy, MagCynic, yes, I would cup my hands to spit. Would everyone? Does it matter? The Congressman said that he was indeed spat upon. Racist slurs and homophobic slurs were indeed shouted at our representatives. Cantor, Boehner, and Steele have all admitted this bad behavior, though they quickly dismiss it as 'a few bad apples'. Where have we heard that before?

        It's not even so much that these things took place, MagCynic, but that there is literally no one, either in the Republican camp or among the teabaggers who is denouncing this behavior. They are blaming the victim, smearing the witnesses, and making excuses. They are thus hypocrites anytime they mention 'personal responsibility' in the future. Of course, for many many other reasons, they were already hypocrites.
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        • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 1:45 pm ET)
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          So, now you've seen the video, and you have evidence from the Congressman and from the police who detained this Tea Party goer, and you still say no. Fine.
          Does it look like that guy - in your honest assessment - spit on the Congressman on purpose? To me it looks like he is shouting at him and - in the process - spit came out of his mouth. When most people cup their hands over their mouth, are they spitting or shouting?
          Here is a prime problem with the Tea Party, ably demonstrated by MagCynic. There are no facts.
          Exactly. Currently there are no facts. It's all anecdotal evidence at this point. Harry Reid called me all sorts of nasty names the other day. That's a fact and I'll reckon I can get a bunch of people to corroborate my story as well. Does that make it fact?
          1) They are a member of the Tea Party, and so even if they have video proving that any of these things took place, they will not reveal it for the good of their 'side'.
          Perhaps, but no news crews from anywhere covering these events have video either?
          Any witness who comes forward, regardless of their affiliation, and confirms that any of these instances did indeed take place are automatically members of the other 'side', and lying to make the Tea Party people look bad.
          So if I find witnesses that were there and said it didn't take place, will you believe them?
          Cantor, Boehner, and Steele have all admitted this bad behavior
          Quote what they actually said. Were they even there to witness it?
          It's not even so much that these things took place, MagCynic, but that there is literally no one, either in the Republican camp or among the teabaggers who is denouncing this behavior.
          All sorts of people are denouncing it. Beck denounces this form of protest all the time on his radio and TV show. I know people in the movement that say it's a shame that the media focuses on the few freaks that are at these protests and ignore the ones that actually know what they're talking about.
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          • Author by The_Cat (March 28, 2010 2:10 pm ET)
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            Here's a link to what Cantor, Steele, and Boehner said about that day. We have video of the spitting, and we have Cantor confirming at least some of the comments.

            I understand that to you it looks like the guy was just shouting and spit accidentally. However, the Congressman has confirmed that he was spat upon. The mics didn't pick up what the sound was. The Congressman, however, was close enough to tell the difference between verbal abuse and the sound one makes when spitting. I will take the Congressman at his word.

            You are quite wrong when you say there are no facts. There are, indeed, facts. Simple to understand, but in this case they do tend to paint your side rather badly, so I can see how you would say there are no facts.

            As for video, yes. At the top of the page is a video from a CNN camera, which caught footage of the spitting incident. This footage is actually more telling than any of the ACORN videos, and you refuse to believe.

            If there were video with audio of the epithets as well, you would not accept that as proof either. You would either claim that those calling names were libruls planted among the Tea Party to make them look bad, or you would say that the words in question were open for debate. "Maybe he thought he was a Knicks fan. You know: A Knicker!"

            The sorts of people denouncing it do not appear anywhere on FOX Propaganda. You claim Beck denounces it? Fine. Bring me proof.

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            • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 3:03 pm ET)
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              Here's a link to what Cantor, Steele, and Boehner said about that day. We have video of the spitting, and we have Cantor confirming at least some of the comments.
              Perhaps you missed the part of me not caring about the GOP. I wouldn't trust anything from a Republican Congressman over a Democratic Congressman over somebody in the Tea Party movement. And, again, I'm not saying necessarily that nothing racist was said or that no racists exist in the movement. All I'm saying is that it's wrong to characterize the group in general by the actions of a few.
              I understand that to you it looks like the guy was just shouting and spit accidentally. However, the Congressman has confirmed that he was spat upon.
              I think it's clear from the video that he was spit upon. You seem to think it was on purpose while I think it was done by accident. That it happened isn't an issue. It's clear it did happen.
              If there were video with audio of the epithets as well, you would not accept that as proof either.
              Yes I would. That's not the point though. The overarching theme is that the Tea Party movement is a racist movement despite zero evidence backing this up.
              You claim Beck denounces it? Fine. Bring me proof.
              I'm sorry I don't have every transcript and clip saved to my hard drive. He's spoken out against this rhetoric and violence in general before. Remember? He was made fun of for bringing up Ghandi.
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              • Author by The_Cat (March 28, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
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                All I'm saying is that it's wrong to characterize the group in general by the actions of a few.


                Really? Is this the point where you issue your public apology to ACORN, then?

                The two situations are quite telling. After some badly edited propaganda video surfaced of some low level employees acting in an unsavory manner that was definitely not in line with company policy, there was a nation-wide investigation, many people were fired, and they re-organized ACORN.

                A much smaller organization, with violent and racist tendencies, is caught behaving badly by both Republicans and Democrats, and their actions are excused. Indeed, with people like Beck making excuses for their actions by blaming the victims of their hatred, their actions are in fact encouraged.

                You claim Beck speaks out against it. You can't prove it. You have, by this simple minded logic, accused others of being a liar. Are you a liar, MagCynic?
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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (March 29, 2010 1:09 am ET)
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                The overarching theme is that the Tea Party movement is a racist movement despite zero evidence backing this up.

                1. Racist signs at every teabagging event.

                2. Racist and Anti-Gay slurs yelled at African American, Gay and Hispanic members of Congress.

                3. Teabagging crowd is 99% White.

                4. Number of African American, Gay or Hispanic teabagging participants can be counted on 2 hands
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        • Author by wookie (March 28, 2010 5:04 pm ET)
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          That's about it. After a year or so of "go back to Africa" signs denying this would be like Tiger Woods denying that he had a few girlfriends.
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      • Author by overmars jr. (March 28, 2010 2:12 pm ET)
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        Boy oh boy, you are just quite simply dipped in 24K stupid. I don't even know where to start picking this tripe apart. But it really doesn't matter because you just ignore every single correct point offered to your cavalcade of strawmen, ill logic, parroted talking points and the plain ol' gumption of pridefully willful ignorance.

        Gosh, don't you just think back to the days, long long ago, when you were still only 'bordering on pathetic'?

        Ahhh, the glory days...
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      • Author by Porkeater (March 28, 2010 2:12 pm ET)
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        No video has surfaced yet. The only logical conclusion, then, is that it didn't happen.

        There are also no credible witnesses to the Resurrection. Your logical conclusion...?
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        • Author by John Paradox (March 28, 2010 9:42 pm ET)
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          RE: Resurrection. Also, each of the Gospels has different people arriving at the tomb, and different reactions.
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        • Author by political_left-religious_right (March 29, 2010 1:21 pm ET)
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          There are also no credible witnesses to the Resurrection.

          Sorry, Porkeater, I have to take issue with you here. Not only were the ones who witnessed the Resurrection completely credible, they were willing to be put to death for publicly proclaiming it.

          The comparison with the Tea Party goofballs simply doesn't work.
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      • Author by halfawake (March 28, 2010 2:14 pm ET)
           
        Virtually everyone who owns a cell phone nowadays has a video camera in their pocket. If these slurs did indeed occur there is video of it. No video has surfaced yet. The only logical conclusion, then, is that it didn't happen.


        Could you explain this in more detail? Why does lack of video mean it did not happen? Lots of things happen in crowds that are not video taped.

        Furthermore, imagine for a minute that you were one of the congressmembers or police on the scene. If something like this *did* happen, should they wait to see if there is any video recording of it before reporting it? In the absence of video evidence, should they have remained silent?
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      • Author by New Frontier (March 28, 2010 2:18 pm ET)
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        It's too bad that the spitting and epithets makes your Tea Party look bad, but they brought it on themselves. They're only compounding the damage by falsely accusing Cleaver, Frank and others of lying.

        Ask your Tea Party pals to cool it, rather than being an apologist for their racism and bigotry.
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      • Author by webprogrammer (March 28, 2010 2:50 pm ET)
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        I agree to this extent. When these people say, "I want my country back!" the motivation behind it is only partly racism. It's even possible that for many, or even most, racism is not part of it at all. It's much more nuanced than that even for the ones who don't know what nuance means.

        The country these people want back is the one with a permanent Republican majority, the one where criticizing the President is treason, the one where taking responsibility is just something you say before you do it again, the one where patriotism is something you buy at the dollar store if you can't find it for free or steal it, the one where you don't talk about where money comes from or where babies come from, the one where borrowing and spending my grandchildren's future is okay because deficits don't matter, the one where, if the vote doesn't go their way, the Supreme Court steps in and makes it right. The country these people want back is the one where Santa Claus is real, the one where the Easter Bunny lays colored eggs, the one where the Tooth Fairy never runs out of money. And yes, for many of them, like it or not, the country these people want back is the one where you don't put a black man in a White House. The country these people want back never existed except in their fantasies, and they can have it. It's a place no sane person would want to live.
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      • Author by vysotsky (March 28, 2010 4:54 pm ET)
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        "Actually this is bordering on pathetic. Virtually everyone who owns a cell phone nowadays has a video camera in their pocket. If these slurs did indeed occur there is video of it. No video has surfaced yet."

        There's no video publicly available showing a plane striking the Pentagon on September 11th, 2001, yet there was video of the Twin Towers being struck. Not many people had cellphone cameras then, but there were plenty of security camera videos and tourists with cameras. Do you think the Pentagon wasn't actually hit by a plane for lack of photographic evidence?
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      • Author by Sweetesttea (March 29, 2010 12:59 am ET)
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        you obviously don't know who James Dobson is, or the John Birch Society for that matter. Please, please, do more than just watch the videos before you post... you should really read more.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (March 28, 2010 1:04 pm ET)
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      Much like Keith olbermann observed, Tea party participants are mostly white only guys.
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      • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 1:31 pm ET)
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        What percentage of minorities would meet your approval for you not to call the Tea Party racist? Is there like a minimum black man quota they need to meet?
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        • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (March 28, 2010 2:07 pm ET)
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          The Tea Bagger Movement doesn't have to have ANY minorities in it in order to not be racist.

          They DO, however, have to stop waving signs with slurs on them, yelling racial slurs at minorities in their proximity, displaying racist bumper stickers, etc., etc.

          I will state as a fact that my daughter saw Tea Bagger event attendees in Montpelier displaying "don't blame me, I voted for the white guy" signs and stickers. To me, that seems, I don't, know... racist.

          By the way -- that event was attended by a most a few dozen people, based on first hand observation, yet the local media called it "hundreds" of people that supposedly filled the entire State House lawn. There's that damned "liberal" media in action again.
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          • Author by jjamele2880 (March 28, 2010 2:09 pm ET)
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            "What's racist about that? In the last election, there was a white guy running against a black guy. That sign just pointed out that fact. Where is the racism?"

            --k1dork's intern
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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (March 28, 2010 2:37 pm ET)
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          any percentage would meet the national makeup of diversity. This nation has many contributors, of different backgrounds, adding to the national intellectual treasure. If you are here because glenn Beck told you to come here, you gonna lose.
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        • Author by my4cents (March 28, 2010 7:35 pm ET)
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          What is YOUR guess?
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      • Author by jjamele2880 (March 28, 2010 1:56 pm ET)
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        "You see a burning cross. I see a guy who attempted to burn down a cross-shaped tree in a field by dousing it with gasoline, and when it burned for a long time, decided to put on a sheet to shield himself from the heat of the burning tree. And then his neighbors, who came along to help him put out the fire if necessary, decided to wear sheets and pillowcases on their heads, too. But if you want to see racism, I guess you'll see racism. It's your problem, not theirs. You are just being paranoid."

        --MagCynic's Intern
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        • Author by Porkeater (March 28, 2010 2:14 pm ET)
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          Genius. Your internship is bringing out the best! :)
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        • Author by dmhack (March 28, 2010 2:26 pm ET)
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          Dear MagTwit's intern,

          If you hope to be successful please try to be adopt a more condescending tone.
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        • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 12:06 pm ET)
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          I see a minority family who burned a cross on their own lawn and dressed up in sheets to hide their identity while doing it all in order to try to discredit the conservative movement.

          Bobby Jindal fan intern
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 9:59 pm ET)
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        Olbermann is a deranged fool who needs his medicines upped. The fact that you take this lunatic seriously says quite a bit about you. Olbermann is likely to be in an institution soon. He is not right in the head.

        He lies about going to Cornell. He went to SUNY Cornell - not Cornell proper. He went to an agricultural school. He has a degree in milking cows. Ann Coulter thoroughly called him out on this.

        Olbermann's Plastic Ivy

        by Ann Coulter, March 4, 2009
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        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 10:02 pm ET)
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          "Olbermann's incessant lying about having an "Ivy League education" when he went to the non-Ivy League ag school at Cornell would be like a graduate of the Yale locksmithing school boasting about being a "Yale man.""

          Ann Coulter
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          • Author by Quicksilver M.S (March 28, 2010 10:49 pm ET)
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            Bobby Jindal fan:
            read my mind!

            [http://www.verfrisser.net/tweety/pictures/Tweety_picture_0575.jpg]
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          • Author by tman418 (March 28, 2010 11:29 pm ET)
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            And here is Olbermann's response.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/06/keith-olbermann-ann-coult_n_172438.html
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            • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 29, 2010 12:45 pm ET)
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              You read neither my post nor your own post. I think disagreeing with me is great, but not if you haven't even read what I posted which you clearly haven't.

              Firstly, what kind of dope parades a diploma on television? I have my diplomas hanging on the wall of my den at home. I do not bring them to the office with me. This is VERY insecure.

              Secondly, Coulter and Olbermann did NOT go to the SAME school. As she said, they went to the same school like someone who went to Yale locksmithing school went to the same school as someone who went to Yale University.

              Olbermann went to SUNY Cornell - which is a land grant PUBLIC university. It is NOT the same school as Ivy Cornell. Olbermann went to an agricultural school named Cornell run by the state of New York. He most certainly did NOT go to a private Ivy League school.

              His diploma says he has a BS (how approptiate). The REAL Cornell does not award a BS - they only award BAs.

              Olbermann is a liar and a fraud. He has massive insecurities and is a deeply troubled man.

              Here is proof he is a deranged pervert:

              Olbermann watch

              He is a troubled man.
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              • Author by political_left-religious_right (March 29, 2010 1:35 pm ET)
                   
                I have my diplomas hanging on the wall of my den at home.

                Right above the printer that they came from, very likely.

                I do not bring them to the office with me. This is VERY insecure.

                Ah, so now you're adding "psychologist" to your other list of intellectual failures. I have been to many people's offices and seen their diplomas proudly displayed--particularly doctors and dentists, but also pastors, professors, and others.

                His diploma says he has a BS (how approptiate). [sic] The REAL Cornell does not award a BS - they only award BAs.

                I just went to Cornell.edu (i.e., the REAL one) and typed in "Bachelor of Science" into their Search box, and it instantly returned with 7,470 references. I think it's pretty obvious that they do indeed give that degree.

                I think the main difference between us, BJ fan, is that if I'm wrong, I'll admit it. If you're wrong, you'll disappear. Feel free to prove me wrong.
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                • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 29, 2010 4:21 pm ET)
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                  I have never ONCE disappeared - you are flat out lying. I have been proven wrong two or three times and I happily ocnceded the point. I'm batting about .970 I admitted I struck out 3 out of 100 times.

                  Olbermann did not go to the REAL Cornell - period. SUNY Cornell is public and it is not an Ivy.

                  People who are not self employed (doctors, dentists, lawyers, etc) are do not bring their diplomas to work. I work in a company of about 500 employees and I have never seen ONE diploma hanging on a wall. Neither the CEO, the division managers, nor anyone else have their diplomas in their offices.

                  If I brought my diplomas to work everyone on my floor would look at me as if I were a moron.
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                  • Author by political_left-religious_right (March 30, 2010 10:14 am ET)
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                    I have never ONCE disappeared - you are flat out lying.

                    Yes, you have. Just last week you claimed that you had never said that you hated Obama, and when several readers provided several posts of you saying exactly that, you disappeared.

                    I have been proven wrong two or three times and I happily ocnceded [sic] the point. I'm batting about .970 I [sic] admitted I struck out 3 out of 100 times.

                    When did you ever "happily" concede a point? I must have missed it.

                    Olbermann did not go to the REAL Cornell - period. SUNY Cornell is public and it is not an Ivy.

                    I never argued that point (i.e., another strikeout for you and your self-inflated batting average); I stated that the "real" Cornell does appear to award Bachelor of Science degrees, and that on the most cursory search. Why won't you answer that?

                    People who are not self employed (doctors, dentists, lawyers, etc) are do [sic] not bring their diplomas to work.

                    Ah, so now you're shifting the goal posts. You never had that "self-employed" qualification before. Furthermore, this is another thing you couldn't possibly prove. Another strikeout for you.

                    I work in a company of about 500 employees and I have never seen ONE diploma hanging on a wall. Neither the CEO, the division managers, nor anyone else have their diplomas in their offices.

                    So your personal experience from one company trumps all others. I see. And even if this is true, where do you get off claiming that someone who does so is "insecure"? Your attempt at pop psychology was already noted, and you didn't address it. Another strikeout.

                    If I brought my diplomas to work everyone on my floor would look at me as if I were a moron.

                    Boy, what a stretch.
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              • Author by tman418 (March 29, 2010 5:46 pm ET)
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                Um...yes I did read my post and your post.

                In Olbermann's response, he actually did acknowledge that the school's are affiliated with each other but different. And uh...yeah what is your point about Olbermann going to SUNY Cornell? He lever lied about getting an Ivy League education. That was also in his response.

                And about his B.S. degree, well, I don't know what your point is, because in his reponse he didn't claim to go to Cornell proper.

                Basically everything you just said is what Olbermann said in his response.
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                • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 30, 2010 1:15 am ET)
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                  Olbermann references his Ivy League education - this is a lie.

                  The acceptence rate at REAL cornell is about 17% - the acceptance rate at SUNY Cornell (Olbermann's school) is about 85%.
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    • Author by clearstate (March 28, 2010 1:21 pm ET)
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      Just because there was no video of it happening, does not mean that it didn't happen. Are there any videos of what happened during the Holocaust? I don't remember seeing any videos so it must not be true. Are there any videos of Obama "palling around with terrorists"? I haven't seen any videos of that so it must not be true.
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      • Author by MiniTru (March 28, 2010 1:31 pm ET)
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        Are there any videos of what happened during the Holocaust?
        Yes, there is newsreel footage shot when the concentration camps were liberated. The condition those people were in is disgusting, and was used at the war crimes trials of those who were held responsible.
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        • Author by jjamele2880 (March 28, 2010 2:06 pm ET)
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          There's actually ZERO video of the Holocaust actually taking place. There's lots of video of the liberation of the camps, half-burned bones in ovens, etc-- but because there's no actual video of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, etc being murdered, Deniers have always claimed that the concentration camps were just POW and work camps and that the ovens were used only to dispose of the already-dead.

          Hitler and the SS were very careful to keep the paperwork at a minimum, foreseeing the possibility of war crimes trials even as they insisted that world domination was inevitable.
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          • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 10:04 pm ET)
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            There's actually ZERO video of the Holocaust actually taking place.


            WRONG! You virulent anti-Semite. There most certainly IS video. Have you ever been to Auschwitz? I have. The videos are on display at the Visitor's Center at Auschwitz. They are graphic and they are real.

            I bet you think the Holocaust is a huge lie - don't you?
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            • Author by tman418 (March 28, 2010 11:36 pm ET)
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              Wow. You project much, don't you.

              Re read from jjamele2880
              Deniers have always claimed that the concentration camps were just POW and work camps and that the ovens were used only to dispose of the already-dead.

              Hitler and the SS were very careful to keep the paperwork at a minimum, foreseeing the possibility of war crimes trials even as they insisted that world domination was inevitable.


              And if you missed it:
              here's lots of video of the liberation of the camps, half-burned bones in ovens, etc-- but because there's no actual video of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, etc being murdered,


              So...where do you get that jjamele2880 is a holocaust denier.

              I have never actually seen videos filmed by anyone AT the concentration camps filming what was going on AT the time. I have seen many many pictures of that nature at the Holocaust Museum when I went there in 1998. I don't think jjamele2880 and I can really claim that videos of that nature exist or don't exist. However, for you to claim that jjamele2880 is a Holocaust denier and an anti-semite is unbelievable and completely uncivil.

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              • Author by jjamele2880 (March 29, 2010 8:11 am ET)
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                BJ Fan didn't miss anything. He is immensely comfortable cutting and snipping posts and columns and wiki sites in order to create slander. He's a worthless pig who has zero shame. I don't take him seriously enough to be offended at the pathetic hack-job he did on my post. I appreciate the support, though.
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              • Author by jjamele2880 (March 29, 2010 8:13 am ET)
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                BTW I go to the Holocaust Museum in DC at least once a year, on field trips organized by the Orthodox Jewish HS I have taught at for fifteen years. The thousands of people I have taught at that school would either laugh or simply groan and BJ Fan's assertion that I'm an "anti-semite."

                As I said, completely pathetic and not worth taking notice of.
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            • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (March 29, 2010 1:14 am ET)
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              BJ is a deranged fool who needs his medicines upped. The fact that anyone would take this lunatic seriously says quite a bit about them. BJ is likely to be in an institution soon. BJ is not right in the head.

              I fixed that for you.
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            • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 12:13 pm ET)
                 
              by your words you will be known.jamelle and you disagree about whether video of the murders taking place exist. by his own words you can see he knows the holocaust occurred and despises the theories of the deniers.yet because you have a minor disagreement with him you launch into a vicious false attack, calling him an anti semite. this is far too typical of those on the right wing. cant win an argument so get those lies and smears in there quickly to muddy the waters.or maybe jjamelle sounds like an Arabic name to you so you know he must be anti-jewish just like obama
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      • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 1:31 pm ET)
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        Just because there was no video of it happening, does not mean that it didn't happen. Are there any videos of what happened during the Holocaust?
        Are you joking?
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        • Author by princeofwheels (March 28, 2010 1:44 pm ET)
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          And there is video of us landing on the moon. Can you prove that this film was real? Therefore, video doesn't necessarily tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

          Where is that criminal kid who used rea live "video" to attack ACORN?

          Cut the crap Magic whatever...a good portion of the TeaBaggers are haters..want a number 25%..now disprove it.
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          • Author by jjamele2880 (March 28, 2010 1:53 pm ET)
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            Here's what there is no video of: A single person at any of these rallies yelling at a person carrying a sign which is racist, homophobic, or just plain stupid, telling them that they are disgracing the movement, and then leaving because they don't want to be associated with the idiot.

            Here's what there is lots of video of- people at these "protests" standing proudly with their disgustingly ignorant, racist signs.

            I can still add one plus one and get two.
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          • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 1:55 pm ET)
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            And there is video of us landing on the moon. Can you prove that this film was real? Therefore, video doesn't necessarily tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
            Did you see the Mythbusters episode where they took on this myth? Suffice it to say they earned their name.
            Cut the crap Magic whatever...a good portion of the TeaBaggers are haters..want a number 25%..now disprove it.
            LOL. A good portion of liberals are anti-American terrorists. I'd say 56% are. Disprove THAT!
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            • Author by princeofwheels (March 28, 2010 2:00 pm ET)
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              That is down from 100% when the Cons called everyone who disagreed with a "wartime President" anti-American and unPatriotic.

              Looks like the Dems are getting better and the RepubConTeaBaggers are surging forward towards their utopia of hate...Palinland.
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            • Author by princeofwheels (March 28, 2010 2:02 pm ET)
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              P.S. I didn't know the Oklahoma City bomber was a liberal?
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              • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 2:10 pm ET)
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                P.S. I didn't know the Oklahoma City bomber was a liberal?
                I didn't know he was a conservative, either.
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                • Author by princeofwheels (March 28, 2010 2:13 pm ET)
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                  Can we agree he was an American terrorist? Then we can figure out which side he belongs to.

                  P.S. Is does your defintion of a Conservative include a Party affiliation or will it just become a word game?
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                  • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 2:33 pm ET)
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                    A conservative is somebody who believes in "conserving" the principles that this country was founded upon. Nothing less. Nothing more.
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                    • Author by jjamele2880 (March 28, 2010 2:49 pm ET)
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                      Actually, a conservative is someone who pretends to know exactly what the Founders wanted for this country in 1789 and for all time, and then calls anyone who suggests that progress is a good thing a traitor to the "vision of the Founders."

                      Give it a rest. We know what Conservatives are. They are people who worship a past that never was, and are afraid that any change means a loss of the power they think that they are ordained by God to exercise over everyone else.
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                      • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 3:29 pm ET)
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                        Actually, a conservative is someone who pretends to know exactly what the Founders wanted for this country in 1789 and for all time
                        Don't have to pretend. I can read the speeches, letters, and writings to tell me what they intended. You can, too.
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                        • Author by jjamele2880 (March 28, 2010 3:42 pm ET)
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                          You can, but you clearly haven't.

                          I'd ask you to show me where the Founders declared govt programs you don't approve of "unconstitutional," but what's the point? You and Glenn Beck read what you want to read into every syllable written by the Founding Fathers.

                          And BTW, "what they intended" is NOT LAW. All you can find is personal opinion, which you can use to develop some idea of "intent." That does NOT mean that they would disapprove of what we are doing now. As much as you idiots love to think you can speak for them.
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                      • Author by usp (March 28, 2010 5:08 pm ET)
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                        strike two on the batter Mag...
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                    • Author by bintx (March 28, 2010 3:11 pm ET)
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                      Actually, you are incorrect, Beck-clone, but since you believe that your hero is a conservative, I can understand where you have been led astray. There is SO much more to real conservatism than your ridiculous statement.

                      Besides, you base you knowledge of what this country was founded upon on the revisionist, dishonest, uneducated rantings of a mentally unstable jackass. I'd get better sources of information.
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                      • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 3:28 pm ET)
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                        There is SO much more to real conservatism than your ridiculous statement.
                        None of which you will even bother to elaborate on.
                        Besides, you base you knowledge of what this country was founded upon on the revisionist, dishonest, uneducated rantings of a mentally unstable jackass
                        What revisionist history have I ever spouted? Quote me or you're a liar.
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                        • Author by bintx (March 28, 2010 3:33 pm ET)
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                          Every time you quote Beck, you are spouting revisionist history, Beck-clone. Conservatism has to do with adhering to traditional values, limited government interference in one's PERSONAL life, caring for one's neighbor and living within one's means. I've explained this on numerous occasions.

                          BTW, trying BJ fan's idiocy won't help. Didn't help him, either. I'm no liar.
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                          • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 5:27 pm ET)
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                            Every time you quote Beck
                            How many times do I actually quote Beck? And if I did how does that change history?
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                    • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 12:18 pm ET)
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                      actually the definition of a conservative and a liberal have changed and evolved throughout the decades, and thank god there exist few people who want to live in an america based on the values of 1776
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                • Author by jjamele2880 (March 28, 2010 2:24 pm ET)
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                  No, he wasn't a Conservative. He just hated the government, stockpiled weapons, and prepared for the race war by planning and carrying out a terrorist attack on a federal building. Not a Conservative at all.

                  Do you at least take your blinders off when you drive?
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                • Author by bintx (March 28, 2010 3:11 pm ET)
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                  He would have been one of the Tea Party ringleaders, Mag.
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                • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 12:16 pm ET)
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                  but you have to admit his anti government rants, his fears that the govt was going to take his guns and come into his home to control his life are not terribly far from the rhetoric of the tea party or glenn beck etc
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            • Author by overmars jr. (March 28, 2010 2:16 pm ET)
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              24% of the Republican party - not just the Tea Party folks, mind you - said they think that Obama 'may be the Anti-Christ'.

              Do you have anything from polled liberals that even comes close to justifying your claim?

              I didn't think so.
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              • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 2:35 pm ET)
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                First of all you're comparing a political party to an entire ideology. Fail one. Second, I could care less about the Republican party. Fail two. Third, my claim was an obvious made up number in response to another obviously made up number posted by princeofwheels. Therefore I have no claim to justify. Fail three.
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                • Author by jjamele2880 (March 28, 2010 2:52 pm ET)
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                  Great. Another "I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, I just happened to side with the Republicans 99% of the time and think that the Democrats are Socialist-Marxist Traitors to the Conservative Values of the Founders." You cowards crack me up.
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                  • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 3:26 pm ET)
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                    Another "I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, I just happened to side with the Republicans 99% of the time
                    A statement you have no quotes of mine or facts to back up. In other words, a lie.
                    and think that the Democrats are Socialist-Marxist Traitors to the Conservative Values of the Founders
                    Again, another statement that you can't back up with quotes or evidence. Another lie.
                    You cowards crack me up.
                    If I was a coward I wouldn't bother entertaining myself on this site. Another lie.

                    That's three lies in one post. Good job.
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                    • Author by jjamele2880 (March 28, 2010 3:44 pm ET)
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                      Yeah, it takes a lot of guts to post under a fake name on a website. In another era, you would have been the first on the beach at Normandy, Lionheart.
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                  • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 10:07 pm ET)
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                    and think that the Democrats are Socialist-Marxist Traitors to the Conservative Values of the Founders."


                    For once we agree. This is an accurate description of Democrats.
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                    • Author by Quicksilver M.S (March 28, 2010 10:55 pm ET)
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                      [http://www.verfrisser.net/tweety/pictures/Tweety_picture_0575.jpg]
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                    • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 12:22 pm ET)
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                      but since according to bj fan all liberals are secular humanists who dont believe in god that would put their values in line with many of the founding fathers
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          • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 10:05 pm ET)
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            Why don't you go to Tehran and hang out with your fellow Holocaust denier? You are sick.
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        • Author by bintx (March 28, 2010 3:09 pm ET)
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          Why would this be a joke? Boy, you really do have your dumba** hat on today, Beck-clone.
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          • Author by MagCynic (March 28, 2010 3:27 pm ET)
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            You must be getting confused amongst all these comments. I asked if it was a joke that somebody would believe that no video exists of the Holocaust.
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            • Author by bintx (March 28, 2010 3:34 pm ET)
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              Nope, I'm talking to you. You're the only one wearing the duma** hat. BTW, where's your proof that you aren't actually the head dumba** at Fox? BTW, that red sweater the other day was a REALLY bad choice.
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            • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 10:10 pm ET)
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              Holocaust denial? This is a new low even for the libs. For the libs to reach a new low (after all the assaults on this country they have committed) is really saying something.
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              • Author by overmars jr. (March 29, 2010 2:38 am ET)
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                What are you babbling about? Who did this where?
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                • Author by jjamele2880 (March 30, 2010 10:56 am ET)
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                  Read my post upthread about video and the Holocaust. BJ Fan has decided it isnt' enough to make crap up, now he is dabbling in slander.

                  Nobody here has denied the Holocaust happened, and he knows it. He's just a blathering fool who stopped caring about having a civil conversation a long time ago.
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          • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 10:08 pm ET)
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            And still no quotes after two weeks. Where are they?
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            • Author by Quicksilver M.S (March 28, 2010 10:56 pm ET)
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              [http://www.verfrisser.net/tweety/pictures/Tweety_picture_0575.jpg]
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            • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (March 29, 2010 1:22 am ET)
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              by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 10:07 pm ET)
              Where are the quotes liar?


              by Bobby Jindal fan (March 28, 2010 10:08 pm ET)
              And still no quotes after two weeks. Where are they?


              BJ, you might try waiting a little longer than a minute for ANYONE to respond!
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    • Author by Dradeeus (March 28, 2010 2:04 pm ET)
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      "Well... if he wasn't gay, this wouldn't have happened."
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      • Author by grrson (March 28, 2010 3:19 pm ET)
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        I love that argument that the GOP has been tossing out there. "Well if those communist libs wern't destroying the country, there wouldn't be so much hate speech."

        And of course, if this was a conservative who was spat on (regardless of whether there was evidence or not), Beck and Hannity would be going red in the face screaming for Obama's resignation.

        Maybe James O. and Andy B. can get to work and quickly fake....ahem, edit together a video of, say, David Vitter getting spat on. Wait...he might enjoy that.
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        • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 12:24 pm ET)
             
          if a conservative figure was spat upon then it would be a terrorist attack
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    • Author by LittleFuzzy (March 28, 2010 4:45 pm ET)
         
      I must have beaten MagCynic to the save button by mere seconds.

      Pity I got the name wrong, but everything else matched.
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    • Author by dimes (March 28, 2010 7:49 pm ET)
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      You want to see Rep. Cleaver get spit on?

      Watch here.

      The guy in the white hat spits on Cleaver as he starts to walk up the stairs. Cleaver stops and confronts him, then continues. As he reaches the top of the stairs, he wipes the spittle from his face.
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      • Author by Bongo Fury (March 28, 2010 9:41 pm ET)
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        Good catch!I never doubted it,just glad you might shut some some "show me" posters here.
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (March 28, 2010 10:20 pm ET)
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          No...they'll say they don't see any spit. Cleaver was acting...

          Mark my words...
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    • Author by zamfir273114 (March 29, 2010 3:48 am ET)
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      Whenever I see the word "slur" I know the accusation is BS. Rep. Frank IS gay and politicizes that lifestyle. Maybe sexuality should stay in the bedroom where it belongs.
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      • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 12:27 pm ET)
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        do you honestly think his opponents would allow him to keep his sexuality private.he hasnt politicized anything. he simply took the brave stand that he wasnt going to hide his romantic life any more than anyone else should have to.its the homophobes who politicize his sex life
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