Beck sub Baker on Christian militia story: "This is nothing more than an attack on faith and free speech"
March 31, 2010 12:05 pm ET
From the March 31 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:
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Young men in the 60's were subject to a draft. They were protesting an illegal war. They were subject to imprisonment if they refused to go to Vietnam to kill . .
Chickenhawks were safe!!
It's a total urban legend, partially spread by Sylvester Stallone's anguished returning Vet character (Stallone's actual service to his country, btw= nonexistant.)
My father just hugged me and we had dinner and drank a bottle of Jack Daniels and nothing more was ever said.
There were apparently a few incidents during the Bush years, but only a scant few, and they weren't really associated with anything particularly big. Indeed, the vast majority of the American left holds soldiers (of all countries) in highest regard - this is one of the reasons why we opposed the Iraq War.
Those "we were spit on" stories are urban legend.
The issue is the "spitting" claim, of which there is no evidence. None. Sorry, you lose.
please no revisionist history, thats the rights playground.
Do you ever listen to yourself?
And no, "San Francisco Airport" doesn't make it more believable.
You're forgetting that many of those demonstrating against the war, were themselves veterans of the war and were welcomed within the ranks of the anti-war movement.
If we don't wish for Fox to question and doubt what happened at the Health Care vote mini-march, then maybe we shouldn't consider how many vets we've known or talked to from 'Nam to speak for what may or may not have happened upon their return. Unless someone has perhaps talked to all of them?
If it had been as prevalent as the media portrayed it, whoever did the spitting would have been beaten to a pulp by other left and right wing people whose sons, brothers, friends and neighbors had gone to Vietnam.
Everyone had a family member who had served or was in danger of being drafted to serve. The draft was too pervasive for Americans to have turned on people who were called up.
I served in the US Marines shortly after Vietnam ended and not once in my 4 yrs did I ever hear a Vietnam vet say he was spit on. None once. (And I knew a LOT of Vietnam vets.)
But now it is common for someone who claims to have served in Vietnam to say he was spat upon. To me it is basically a sympathy ploy. (The old, "I served my country and THIS is how I was treated when I got home" BS.) The story is almost always the same. They just came back from Vietnam and were in the San Francisco airport when an anti-war hippy comes up and spits in their face. Of course they do nothing to the spitter. They just turn and sadly walk away. (Yeah right, if any Marine that I knew got spat on he'd knock the guys teeth out!) So this spitting legend is all nonsense.
At least you're willing to admit you foxed up. We all fox up on occasion.
It's true: there's no readily verifiable evidence that soldiers were actually spat on. But there's also no real evidence that it was a deliberate conspiracy. It seems more likely that it started as a rumour which spread by hysteria and political maneuvering.
Democrat Emanuel Cleaver is spat on and there is video of the event!
The Right and Fox Mews claims it did not happen!
ODD... Very ODD indeed!
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The broke the law. They're going to jail. And that's where that kind of trash belongs.
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And that's more mercy than that group's victims would have recieved.
So far, all we know for sure is that they've been arrested and indicted. The presumption of innocence applies to rightwingers too, even if they wouldn't recognize that it applies to progressives.
I take that back. We also know that the rightwing blowhardsphere is in panic mode about this, and seems to be trying to intimidate the law enforcement arms of the country. I guess they only like cops when they thinks the cops are tools of the right.
I just don't want to hear about "Free speech" and "attacks on faith" and "Obama is just trying to silence his opposition" when these rednecks are eventually CONVICTED.
And I have very little doubt that they WILL be. And these TERRORISTS will be taken down without secret prisons, without torture, without coercion, without waterboarding, WITH legal representation and in a CIVILIAN court.
So I see no reason why ALL terrorists can't be taken down in the same manner, as they always had been before Bush decided the Costitution was "just a G-D piece of paper."
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IMHO
Explains it all...doesn't it?
These people are the same threat as any terrorist cell and ARE "dedicated agents of a ruthless religion-driven ideology". So are the KKK, the Ayrian Nation etc...it's just diguised as "white and "christian". When it comes to "religion-driven ideology" it certainly does not pertain to only Islamists...
The fact that these are white people and christian is something that other white christian people are having a hard time coming to terms with. They simply cannot assimilate "Christian" and "Terrorism" in the same context. I'm sure it is very painful for them, just as it is for other religious groups with their extremists. Terrorism is world wide and it has been here in this country for 500 years and it has always been carried out under the guise of "Christianity". I do feel empathy for people of all Nations and all diversities that are innocent of crimes against humanity in the name of their God whoever that might be. Their fear is very real, the tears are just the same, and the loss of human dignity is on the shoulders of all of us that bear no blame or ill will. We are the recipients of mans inhumanity and intlolerance towards man.
No one can make a rational case for you. Rational is not a factor on the side of this commentator. Everything he said should tell you all you need to know.
He can't be serious and actually believe the bile that he speaks... if he does, then he is a loathsome excuse for a human being.
I would guess it's the latter.
Once again, I have severely over-estimated the character of some right wingers.
The best way to kill "free speech" is to assume that words are meaningless, and say any darn thing at any time with no logic, judgement or consideration whatsoever.
Then you've just got a bunch of paranoid lunatics who find fear as a motivator--which leads to totalitarianism, which means suppression of free speech.
On the one hand, you have to believe that the pundits are smart enough to come up with something as ridiculous as "cop-killing = 1st amendment right" as a defense of a group that might otherwise share their philosophy, except for that niggling propensity to do something that is generally considered illegal.
On the other hand, there's a lot of cash whirling around punditry, and if someone was willing to, say, 'sideline' their sensibilities to grab a couple fistfulls of bills by appeasing a dumber, sicker segment of our society, to stroke the egos of some of our more blindly partisan citizens... hey - where's the harm in that? And if the takings get slimmer because of all the competition located at a certain fringe area, why not take another half-a-step outside the circle of sanity and see what the fishin's like there?
I'm thinking it's gold old-fashioned Americanism - "the other hand".
But I do appreciate the encouragement.
I'm not sure if this spelling is correct or if it's a telling Freudian slip - but i agree either way.
The only attack on faith is the shame these murderers bring to any self-identifying Christian.
I might add that murdering cops is not usually considered a "free speech" issue. It's usually considered a capital offense.
The funny thing is that it was almost not even in the Bible because it really doesn't fit . . .
Every Christian within earshot of this moron should be complaining to Fox and the FCC. This crackpot is speaking for Christians, basically saying that the militias represent the Christian point of view.
Be careful of anyone who says "I'm a Born Again Christian, and I work at it every day, and I fail all the time." You know that they've built a wall of self-satisfied piety around themselves that cannot be broached by logic. They failed, they've been "Saved," and that makes them superior to those who haven't crawled out from under rocks to "accept Jesus." "Humility" is not part of their makeup- hell, they probably hand out medals for what they call Humility at their Mutual Admiration Society meetings.
Being a Christian means simply to be "Christ-like." Christ's teachings were of love and acceptance. He wasn't really big on telling people what to do and what not to do except that they were to love God and love their neighbor [as He said, you get those two down and everything else will follow] . . . Paul assumed the role of the dos and the don'ts. I'll just follow what Christ told me.
Sorry to generalize, but I've never met a self-described Born Again who wasn't a complete and utter pompous a-hole about it.
No, shaggles. The difference between an atheist who shows these characteristics and a Christian is simply the belief system. They are both good folks.
Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.
[Kind of like Colbert's The Word from 3/30]
While, no doubt, they include a fair number of good and decent folk, i find their doctrines both simplistic and selfish. If i ever want to stir myself to anger, i watch evangelical tv, where Jesus is made to say: "Go on, make pots of money, just drop a tenth at Pastor X's church, and i'll pick you up at the rapture!"
"Born Again"-ism is a most materialistic and superstitious practise. Many who espouse it are rank hypocrites.
That being said, no, God does not require us to take up guns to further His will on earth. He's quite capable of making sure that it comes to pass without us resorting to violence. I do believe that, if attacked, we are allowed to defend us and ours, however. 'Turn the other cheek' doesn't apply to physical violence, but rather the uttermost insult that we must be willing to bear.
Mr. Baker, if this was indeed an attack on faith and free speech, the raids would've taken place on Sunday, and hit every single affiliated house of worship during the morning service. They would ALL have been rounded up for interrogation. What this actually was? Our law enforcement community doing it's job. They kept you safe, as well, though you are far too ignorant to grasp that fact, and accuse them of un-American activity rather than thanking them for their selfless service. I hope you don't have a 'Support The Troops' ribbon on your vehicle anywhere.
but the neo thugs will defend anyone and anything because they want violence.
Clear Channel's contact info is here.
*Unless Clear Channel immediately and strongly repuidates this pukehead's pukish comments.
Lisa:
As reprehensible as I find Mr. Beck’s pandering to the lowest common denominators in our American society, your network has
reached an all-time low with this guy you have replacing Beck today. His comments today regarding his belief that the arrest of these Christian militia people,
who were attempting to kill police officers, is an attack on the Christian faith and is an extreme mischaracterization of the Christian faith. Just how far
will your network stoop to make money?
*Unless Glenn Beck immediately and strongly repuidates this pukehead's pukish comments.
This guy would most likely be prising the arrest and calling them terrorists if Mr. Bush was still president and the Republicans were in charge and if they were not "so called Christians"; but rather tree hugging liberals.
It is all about making sure Mr. Obama and the Democrats don't get any credit for anything. Even protecting the police from being murder.
They're digging up alot of old laws and the gov't. might consider what this guy is saying on the airwaves as 'aiding and abetting' those who conspire to destroy the government of the United States . .
I believe in free speech but this guy has crossed the line!!
The right wing couldn't find anything too small to gin up as terrorism under Bush and now minimize these crazies and gin up that they're being persecuted.
No change in content though.
I don't even need to look it up. I will just assume the Baker fools is like the rest of the radio hate jocks on the right that have little or no education at all.
There contempt for higher learning seals their ignorant fate.
You mean "their contempt" don't you?
[eyeball roll]
But the Christian militia members arrested this week are accused of plotting to kill cops and wage war on the US Government.
There's a huge difference between supporting a right to a fair trial (what Van Jones did) and supporting a right to kill cops (what Chris Baker did).
You can call it what you want, I'll call what Van Jones did supporting a cop killer.
and i'll keep calling you stupid. because you know the facts, so you're not ignorant. you just choose not to see the truth.
You can call it what you want, I'll call what Van Jones did supporting a cop killer.
Do you not see the difference??? These militia scum ARE the cop killers.
calling the arrest of these people an attack on free speech is defending them, when these people admitted to wanting to kill cops.
and you are bashing van jones for defending a cop killer......
your defending wanna be cop killers, so by your own logic, that means you're just as bad as your trying to make him out to be.
well done. and when some cop gets killed by nut bags like these ill expect to see you defending them too.
Think about it!!
That makes your post a troll post. Thanks for admitting it.
Ending a sentence with a preposition, after correcting another poster's syntax, is somewhat embarrassing, no?
"I don't even need to look it up. I will just assume the Baker fools is like the rest of the radio hate jocks on the right that have little or no education at all.
There contempt for higher learning seals their ignorant fate"
OldCon would defend your constitutional right to bear arms or to worship in any of the various flavors that Christianity offers.
It's all of those other pesky parts he has a problem with.
He doesn't hate all of it.
When your building bombs and IEDs, I think its gone beyond speech my friend.
By the way, I have Christian in quotes because, I seem to recall the Bible saying "Thought Shout No Kill" and well, I don't think that plotting murder is a very christian thing.
We love you, Glenn. Get back as soon as possible.
I heard that both Limbaugh and Savage have said basically the same thing--that this is a made-up story and that it is nothing but persecution of Christians. I hate the right-wing in this country. I truly do. They are nothing but dirt bags.
The little bit of Savage I heard tonight, his concern was with the government flexing it's muscle. I didn't hear him defend these people but I only listened for a short time.
If these people truly were planning on killing cops, they ain't Christians in my book. I haven't heard or read anything yet to make me think these nuts shouldn't have been arrested.
I'm guessing he decided to be conservative for pay and ratings, because the garbage I've heard him say is positively Colbert-esque (without being funny).