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CNN's Erickson: I'll "[p]ull out my wife's shotgun" if they try to arrest me for not filling out the American Community Survey

April 01, 2010 5:30 pm ET

From the April 1 edition of WMAC's In the Morning with Erick Erickson:

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ERICKSON: This is crazy. What gives the Commerce Department the right to ask me how often I flush my toilet? Or about going to work? I'm not filling out this form. I dare them to try and come throw me in jail. I dare them to. Pull out my wife's shotgun and see how that little ACS twerp likes being scared at the door. They're not going on my property. They can't do that. They don't have the legal right, and yet they're trying.

Previously:

Meet Erick Erickson: CNN's newest political commentator

Erickson: "At what point do the people ... march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp?"

Transcript:

[Erickson read the italicized portions from Daniel Freedman's April 1 Weekly Standard article titled "The Orwellian American community Survey"]

ERICKSON: Come on, people. It's a Constitutional obligation. How can a 21st century society function without knowing how many people are actually living in the country, legally versus illegally for that matter? What's the harm with filling out the census? The Constitution -- for those of you who say I'm not filling out the c -- it's in the freaking Constitution. You got to fill out your census.

Now, let's distinguish, separate and talk about the American Community Survey. Sometime in the 90s this thing came on. Somebody over at -- this has got to be the Weekly Standard, the way it prints out. Who is this? David [sic] Freedman, director of Strategy and Policy Analysis at the Soufan Group, writing at the WorldwideStandard.com, also the WeeklyStandard.com. It is the American Community Survey. He calls it Orwellian.

My nightmare started in January when I received the American Community Survey (ACS) form in the mail. The ACS is an extension of the Census that all households receive. While the U.S. Census form contains 10 questions and is sent out every 10 years, the ACS form contains 48 questions and is sent to 250,000 households each month on a rolling basis. Every year.

The ACS itself is a lesson in government overreach. Article 1 of the Constitution allows for a census every 10 years so that seating in Congress is proportional to state populations. Lawmakers gave the Commerce Department the power to ask more questions, and it took that power and ran, and ran, and ran, and ran, with it as best they could -- ending up asking questions unrelated to redistricting.

The ACS questions are to "manage or evaluate federal and state government programs" -- not to help with congressional seating.

Now, to go beyond that, and to deviate from what David's [sic] writing about, another reason to fill out your census form, being a local government politician, let me tell you -- you've got to fill out your census form because it's not just about redistricting at the local, state and federal level. It is also about allocating resources of the federal government based on population, so that we get the resources that we are allegedly entitled to by the federal government. Basically, it's for our welfare. I mean, we're all welfare queens when it comes to the federal government with the census. You send in your census form, they say, oh, Macon's got X number of people, therefore they qualify for this amount of funding from the federal government. All these grants you can now apply for, or can't apply for based on your population. That's why we got to have it.

But what's problematic about the American Community Survey are the questions [sic] it demands from citizens. The least threatening of them are just strange, asking whether your home has a flush toilet -- which homes don't have a flush toilet unless you live in Appalachia? Or are one of those greeny people who only use one piece of toilet paper.

[Comment from someone off-mic]

Yeah. Yeah, one -- Ugh. Sheryl Crow must have a lot of fiber in her diet.

They ask whether there is a business (such as a store or barber shop) or a medical practice on your property. Then there are financial questions asking everything from your sources of income, to how much you spend on gas, electricity and water. The IRS asks just what you earn, the Commerce Department wants to know everything about how you spend your money.

Even more invasive are the personal questions. The questionnaire asks how many people live with you and their relationship to you, and their names, ages, genders and race. Now that's actually part of the census form. But the ACS delves more into that and wants to know where you work, what time you leave for work, how you get to work, how long it takes you to get to work, how many people travel with you.

It's like a questionnaire a stalker might send you.

[Comment from someone off-mic]

Yeah. Scammers. Yup, yup. Scammers could be doing this.

So David [sic] writes, I didn't quite believe that the government would demand such personal information and threaten citizens with fines up to $5,000 if they don't hand it over. When friends, from Justice Department officials to university lecturers, heard about it from me, their first thought was that it was some kind of sophisticated mail fraud. After learning that the ACS was real, I reluctantly spent an hour answering the questions, vowing at the same time to protest to my representative in Congress.

A few weeks after sending in the form, a representative of the ACS left a note at my apartment asking me to contact her. When I did, she said she'd like to come to my apartment to go through the questions. I replied that I'd already filled out the form, and if they had lost it, it was their duty to find it. I also didn't want a stranger entering my home to ask personal questions.

And the ACS representative ignored David's [sic] comments and turned up twice unannounced, demanding entry, warning me of the fines I faced if I didn't cooperate, I cited the First [sic] Amendment and reiterated what I told her on the phone. After that, I sent a letter of complaint to her director.

David's [sic] saga ended on March 23 when an ACS program supervisor investigated the case and discovered my form had in fact been received on February 8th, only it was sitting on the side and never processed. She thanked David [sic] for writing in to complain and noted the harassment.

This goes back to my morning point, opening the show. The Congress has empowered the Commerce Department to ask questions. The Commerce Department has decided if you don't ask the -- answer the questions, it's going to fine you, have you arrested, and throw you in jail for not asking [sic] the questions. The servants are becoming the masters. We are working for the government. We have become, or are becoming, enslaved by the government.

This is crazy. What gives the Commerce Department the right to ask me how often I flush my toilet? Or about going to work? I'm not filling out this form. I dare them to try and come throw me in jail. I dare them to. Pull out my wife's shotgun and see how that little ACS twerp likes being scared at the door. They're not going on my property. They can't do that. They don't have the legal right, and yet they're trying.

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    • Author by christopher howard (April 01, 2010 5:34 pm ET)
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      Good hire, CNN.
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      • Author by MiG (April 01, 2010 6:35 pm ET)
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        What is CNN?
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        • Author by leftofwhat (April 01, 2010 6:48 pm ET)
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          Fox affiliate.
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          • Author by Invent a Scandal (April 01, 2010 6:56 pm ET)
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            Great,
            Another conservative whack job with a gun in his hands.

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            • Author by Blueneck (April 01, 2010 7:20 pm ET)
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              What I really love about these whacks is that they really think they can win a fight with the Gubmint armed with a shotgun or a handgun if "they" come for them. Really Erickson dude you would stand a better chance of coming out on top if you joined the Tavistock Institute. From their website:

              The methods of Freudian psychotherapy induce permanent mental illness in those who undergo this treatment by destabilizing their character. The victim is then advised to "establish new rituals of personal interaction", that is, to indulge in brief sexual encounters which actually set the participants adrift with no stable personal relationships in their lives, destroying their ability to establish or maintain a family. Tavistock Institute has developed such power in the U.S. that no one achieves prominence in any field unless he has been trained in behavioral science at Tavistock or one of its subsidiaries.

              Practice makes perfect. This is the way to take on the Gubmint dude. The first step is sending the fine folks at Tavistock a large check. I know you want to. Break down the will of the enemy. Make them instruments of your will. You could be the next Charles Manson. If you want to know what those voices in your head are really saying just ask Alice. Of course what I really worry about is that this post may make sense to you.
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        • Author by tman418 (April 02, 2010 3:03 pm ET)
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          Crap News Network. It's really not so much any kind of partisanship at is just a crappy tabloid news show almost, with useless Special Reports.
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    • Author by dimes (April 01, 2010 5:41 pm ET)
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      Oh, please. Fill in your name as Ernest Hemingway and be done with it.
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    • Author by nerzog (April 01, 2010 5:41 pm ET)
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      I've asked it before... where will these lying Troglodytes hide when some knuckledragging militia halfwit kills a census worker?
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      • Author by jediknight65 (April 02, 2010 10:31 am ET)
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        some will defend them. just like some are defending the milita wanna be cop killers
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    • Author by shaggles (April 01, 2010 5:42 pm ET)
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      I dare Erickson to pull a gun on a federal employee.
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    • Author by lede39571545 (April 01, 2010 5:47 pm ET)
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      .....and CNN is wondering why their ratings are down 40% for the 1st quarter????
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    • Author by internet soldier (April 01, 2010 5:49 pm ET)
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      Really? The American community survey? Someone needs to give Erickson a pacifier and send him to bed.
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    • Author by GBU-15 (April 01, 2010 5:52 pm ET)
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      You will pull out your WIFE'S shotgun? And then surrender while crying like a baby. Or proceed to get shot fuul of holes. YOU SIR. Should not be allowed to speak in a public forum.
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      • Author by papa bear3 (April 01, 2010 9:14 pm ET)
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        Wife's shotgun, dosen't he have his own ....

        if the only tool you have is a hammer then all your problems become nails
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        • Author by Midnight Kevin (April 01, 2010 9:16 pm ET)
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          Aren't their rules restricting crazy people from owning guns? That is probably why his wife owns it...
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          • Author by princeofwheels (April 01, 2010 9:50 pm ET)
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            She will sit at the kitchen table clinging to her bible.

            I wonder how brave this man was when it came to serving his country. Why not take that shotgun to Afghanistan to get the bad guys instead of working folks?

            A brave mouth and nothing else.
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          • Author by cugagcmu805031 (April 01, 2010 10:35 pm ET)
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            He and I live in the same city, Macon, GA. The only solution to every problem or conflict is a gun. The majority of the people living in this county, h3ll, in this state are crazy for guns. I really don't understand this fixation on guns, guns, and more guns. I've always thought that if you needed a gun to make you feel good about yourself that you're basically afraid of almost everything. Having a gun to defend your home is fine, but wearing a gun on your hip like you're living in the wild west is ridiculous.
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      • Author by cugagcmu805031 (April 01, 2010 10:26 pm ET)
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        And the sad thing about it is that he'd probably get away with it here in Macon, GA, if the jury is drawn from among the locals. Lots of dittoheads living here love him to death and listen to everything he says. Some of them have stated on the web site of our local online newspaper that they have no plans to complete or return the census form. Now they won't be completiing or returning the ACS. Can you believe that this guy is a deacon in his church? Now let me go puke.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (April 01, 2010 5:52 pm ET)
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      ref. http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201004010051
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    • Author by ButteryPat (April 01, 2010 5:53 pm ET)
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      Maybe I just like a good opportunity to quote Outkast, but Mr. Erickson, don't pull the thang out unless you plan to bang. Go ahead try and pull your little intimidation move on a federal employee. It wouldn't be the first time. Then we'll watch as the DEA and FBI descend on your home. Welcome to the justice system for the rest of us, twerp.
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    • Author by rikntx (April 01, 2010 5:59 pm ET)
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      But this (somehow) will not be seen by those on the right as "violent rhetoric".
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    • Author by edgewaterprog (April 01, 2010 6:07 pm ET)
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      This is stupid....has CNN decided to compete directly with FOX? They are doing a good job of it.
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    • Author by woodstock (April 01, 2010 7:00 pm ET)
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      Use your wife's shotgun?? Sounds manly to me. probably pink too
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    • Author by Unreality (April 01, 2010 7:18 pm ET)
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      ERICKSON: This is crazy
      No, you're crazy. Erickson reminds me of the insecure gang wannabes who walk down the street bumping into someone just so they can claim to be disrespected. It's pretty obvious he's just a wannabe.
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      • Author by cugagcmu805031 (April 01, 2010 10:41 pm ET)
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        Believe me when I say there are places in this city where Erick will not venture. He lives on the north side of town. I'd like to see him venture into the parts of the city where the crips, blood, and folk gangs hang out. He's a windbag.
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    • Author by LonesomeinNE (April 01, 2010 7:35 pm ET)
         
      The ACS was instituted in the 1990s to replace the so-called long form of the decennial census. The history of the long form is tied to the history of the Census Bureau. In the 1920s it was moved into the Department of Commerce and the long form was developed that asked a lot of questions that provided an excellent data base for business planning. Along the way, local government planners found the data to be useful for their purposes and when the long form began to arouse so much hostility that it started to reduce the response rate for the Census itself, the Commerce Department (whose role is to represent the interests of commerce) devised this ongoing sample survey to replace the long form. In other words, this is market research, done by the Federal government, and provided to anyone who wants to use it for free (in some forms) or for relatively low cost (in other forms.)
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    • Author by friedbergboy1422 (April 01, 2010 7:45 pm ET)
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      Attention federal authorities, Mr. Erickson is confessing to committing a crime, please enforce the law. Thank you, and please post a video of the arrest, can't WAIT to see it.
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    • Author by Rick LaRoy (April 01, 2010 7:53 pm ET)
         
      First off, I quote, "Sometime in the 90s this thing came on. ". This sounds like something the Bush White House and Republican congress steam railed right on through and know, it's the republican right whining over it. Oh Come On!!!!!

      Second, it's on record, this man has just threatened an official of the federal government. He should be arrested.
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    • Author by MilitantMNMan (April 01, 2010 8:01 pm ET)
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      Riiiiggghhhhtttt. Cause a government that can carpet whole cities with lead are gonna be afraid of your "shotgun."
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    • Author by Rick LaRoy (April 01, 2010 8:02 pm ET)
         
      Here is some info regarding the ACS
      "Many Americans found filling out the long form to be burdensome and intrusive, and its unpopularity was a factor in the declining response rate to the decennial census. In 1995, the Bureau began a process to change the means of demographic, housing, social, and economic information from the census long form to the ACS. Testing began in 1996, and the ACS program began producing test data in 2000, 2001, and 2002. The full program is expected to be implemented by 2010.

      The legal authority for the ACS is 13 U.S.C. § 141 and 13 U.S.C. § 193."

      I stand corrected, this thing started under Clinton (kinda like Monica) LOL!!!!
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    • Author by cst (April 01, 2010 8:41 pm ET)
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      WIFE's shotgun? Guess we know who wears the strap-on in THAT family...
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    • Author by Space-Pedestrian (April 01, 2010 9:55 pm ET)
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      He is so cool. He knows exactly what to say to get y'all roused.
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      • Author by princeofwheels (April 01, 2010 10:00 pm ET)
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        Excuse me, but who are you talking to? You are in the wrong thread. O'Reilly was getting aroused by the naked video lady or Ms. Kelly.
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        • Author by jediknight65 (April 02, 2010 10:34 am ET)
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          no he was reading the playboy on a plane home from his it happened to alexa speech. in front of dozens
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (April 01, 2010 10:20 pm ET)
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        Quick! There goes Al Gore!
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      • Author by jediknight65 (April 02, 2010 10:33 am ET)
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        oh so your ok with what he said about a supreme court justice that was so far from being true?

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    • Author by rtejon (April 01, 2010 10:24 pm ET)
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      Considering that he's hated by the entire Macon police force for trying to privatize their department, I don't think he needs to be saying such things, if he knows what's good for him...
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      • Author by cugagcmu805031 (April 01, 2010 11:46 pm ET)
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        So true. He made a complete azz of himself in the process, even going so far as to write an editorial attacking the officers, and calling for them all to be fired if they voted to join the union. When the policemen and the head of the Middle GA unions confronted him at a city council meeting, he never looked up. He couldn't look them in the face. None of the cc members made any attempt to defend him. The union leader made him a promise: if he ever ran for another political office, the union would be there to work against his election. Our officers joined the Teamsters Union anyway. The local news reported today that the officers have met with the union. Now they have to meet with the mayor and cc members.
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        • Author by rtejon (April 02, 2010 4:17 pm ET)
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          Awesome. I knew about some of that but I'm grateful for your update. Thanks for putting that here for others to see.
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    • Author by doggeddem (April 02, 2010 1:54 am ET)
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      This is crap. Why is this pig getting air time on an alleged "news" network? CNN has lost all credibility.
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    • Author by nativeofsf (April 02, 2010 2:57 am ET)
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      "...ask me how often I flush my toilet?"

      --Sure Erick, every time you open your mouth.
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    • Author by mmfa.fan (April 02, 2010 6:51 am ET)
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      Obviously he won't do it, but still... I hope he does.
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    • Author by mickey g (April 02, 2010 8:01 am ET)
         
      Yeah, like this meatball is gonna put up any fight. I'm pretty sure if he pulls out a shotgun, the feds will respond with more than a rack of antlers.
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    • Author by Mr Blifil (April 02, 2010 9:39 am ET)
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      Pretty obvious why the wife requires a shotgun.
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    • Author by jediknight65 (April 02, 2010 10:29 am ET)
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      hey i thought erikson said that he had grown up? did he regress that fast?
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    • Author by goesto11 (April 02, 2010 10:31 am ET)
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      Come on, federal government.

      He dared you!
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