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Beck suggests "people who are worshipping Satan are in office," then clarifies "it's just a guy [Obama] likes a lot"

May 10, 2010 6:30 pm ET

From the May 10 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

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    • Author by raddave43 (May 10, 2010 6:35 pm ET)
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      Ozzy Osborne is in the Whitehouse?
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    • Author by The_Cat (May 10, 2010 6:36 pm ET)
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      All righty. His cable opinion/propaganda show is on the skids. You see here the first real glimpse of the Glenn Beck Old Time Gospel Hour. I think he will soon be moving from FOX Propaganda to CBN or TBN, to join people like the lovely Pat Roberston, using Gob and Jeebus to rob little old ladies of their cat food money.
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      • Author by RKAllen (May 10, 2010 6:52 pm ET)
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        Sadly, he will probably make alot more money doing it too.
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        • Author by The_Cat (May 10, 2010 7:28 pm ET)
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          True enough, RKAllen. By the way, I love the avatar you've chosen! 'Wizards' is one of my favorite movies.

          Master loves Larry. Master feeds Larry!
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          • Author by RKAllen (May 10, 2010 9:43 pm ET)
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            Thanks... Ralph Bakshi was the best.

            [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Wizards_cast.jpg]

            Someday I might actually make my avatar... well, Avatar. I love that old wizard! :)
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            • Author by cst (May 10, 2010 10:42 pm ET)
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              Ralph's still alive (and talking about a WIZARDS sequel, actually!)
              However, Frank Frazetta has just passed away today.
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              • Author by RKAllen (May 11, 2010 12:10 am ET)
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                Yeah, knew he was alive... but he hasn't done anything in like six or seven years... and I think the last thing he directed was Spicy City. *shiver*

                I would'nt mind seeing the irreverent style of humor that gave us Fritz the Cat, Heavy Traffic, and Wizards. He's never really been quite the same since he did American Pop. That's why I use the term "was."
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                • Author by cst (May 11, 2010 7:03 am ET)
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                  Yeah, Ralph let that rotoscope thing get out of hand (much like some of today's live action directors let CGI take over), and he admits it.
                  There's an interesting book about him, UNFILTERED: THE ART OF RALPH BAKSHI, that you should check out.
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    • Author by bintx (May 10, 2010 6:39 pm ET)
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      Um, Beck's "tea partiers" have been using Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

      Oopsy, Beck, you've been working with SATANISTS!!!!! Worshippers of LUCIFER!

      BTW, Beck, Lucifer, even though that name is ascribed to Satan by some folks, meant "The Morning Star." The name "Lucifer" refers to the King of Babylon, not Satan.
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      • Author by diamonds (May 10, 2010 6:45 pm ET)
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        That doesn't imply an endorsement of Saul Alinsky. You can read people like him without being someone who "likes him a lot" you know.
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        • Author by bintx (May 10, 2010 6:51 pm ET)
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          Do you know who Saul Alinsky was? And do you know what the book Rules for Radicals is about? It's about organizing. That's all. He was praised by that REAL conservative, William F. Buckley, as being "very close to an organizational genius." My point was, diamonds, that Beck is demonizing a man who has been demonized for no reason other than his connection to community organizing and to labor unions. There is nothing inherently wrong with this man or his writings. Fox has made him a big buggaboo so that phony conservative/authoritarians like you will believe that anyone who has read his words is EVIL. Just like this dishonest, uneducated, self-admitted con man, did in this clip.

          I might add, if the tea partiers are USING Alinsky's methods, then that's pretty much an endorsement of his writings.
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          • Author by diamonds (May 10, 2010 8:10 pm ET)
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            Yes I know who Saul Alinsky was, I've paged through Rules for Radicals myself.

            Endorsement of method, fine, I'll take that. If you can call mass peaceful protesting as something out of Rules for Radicals, the closest those people ever got was during the "town halls" as I heard Morning Edition on NPR point out last summer.

            And since when did it become a crime to become self-educated? You know, reading primary source materials? And Con-man, what? Do you have any evidence to back that up with?
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            • Author by mescal (May 10, 2010 9:43 pm ET)
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              I had to reread b's post to see where she suggests that has become "a crime to become self-educated". Strangely, it's not there. It's simply another strawman constructed by a sputtering and desperate winger.

              Her point, of course, is that the radical right is both using Alinsky to demonize the left, while simultaneously employing his methods. It demonstrates an absolutely bewildering, head-scratching level of hypocrisy on their part. The right is denouncing the Alinsky's work even as they are embracing it. I can't help but note that the neocons have done the same thing with V.I. Lenin.

              So, make up your freakin' minds. Which is it? Is Alinsky a danderous and evil radical, or is he the guy that has written YOUR TEAM'S PLAYBOOK?
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              • Author by cst (May 10, 2010 10:45 pm ET)
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                They've borrowed the "Big Lie" technique from Goebbels, too... although their actual policies are pretty close to his, anyway...
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            • Author by bintx (May 11, 2010 8:40 am ET)
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              Not sure what your argument is on the Alinsky matter. The Tea Party corporate organizers used Alinsky's methods . . . the same methods that Beck demonizes. Hypocrisy.

              Beck, on his program a month or so compared himself to Harold Hill from The Music Man. He even had a film clip of of The Music Man with Robert Preston as Harold Hill singing, "Trouble." Harold Hill is the lovable CON MAN who was trying to sell the people of River City musical instruments which did not exist. He used FEAR to do so. I would doubt that most of Beck's ardent and really uninformed viewers even caught that. Apparently, you didn't. I'm guessing that you are one of the folks that Beck calls "idiots" who take his word as gospel. Why do you watch someone who has such disdain for you?

              I never said it was a "crime" to be self-educated, I said Beck was uneducated . . . he is. He does NOT read primary sources, he reads BS written by Cleon Skousen and David Barton, both of whom were/are frauds. I doubt he reads anything except the financial reports he's getting from his accountants which show how much money he's making off of poor, dumb suckers like you who BELIEVE his crap.



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        • Author by Porkeater (May 10, 2010 6:56 pm ET)
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          That doesn't imply an endorsement of Saul Alinsky. You can read people like him without being someone who "likes him a lot" you know.

          Would you say as much to Beck? Seems his rant here is in direct contradiction of what you're saying.
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          • Author by Andy Kreiss (May 10, 2010 7:20 pm ET)
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            Yeah, we're reading his book, and using his tactics, but we don't like him like him.

            BTW, did you notice diamonds use of one of the goofiest wingnut strawmen, putting words in quotes that nobody else wrote ?

            You can read people like him without being someone who "likes him a lot" you know


            They just get cuter all the time.
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            • Author by diamonds (May 10, 2010 8:13 pm ET)
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              It's out of the video. It's quoted in the article title!
              Beck suggests "people who are worshipping Satan are in office," then clarifies "it's just a guy [Obama] likes a lot"
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              • Author by Andy Kreiss (May 10, 2010 8:42 pm ET)
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                I apologize, I read it as a response to bintx, and thought you were attributing the quote to her. I've seen so many posters here arguing with "quotes" they've made up, I jumped to that conclusion, My bad.

                But, I don't see where Beck gets off with his "likes a lot" statement for some who have read or learned from Alinsky, while understanding that others could simply read a source without forming some personal bond..
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                • Author by Porkeater (May 10, 2010 9:45 pm ET)
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                  This was my point, Andy K; when one's friends subscribe to something, it's just for practical purposes, but when others do it, some deeper subterfuge is assumed. Separating someone's method from one's policy doesn't quite wash.

                  Another thing that didn't quite wash was Beck's "clarification". I suspect that someone from the legal department popped in and made him cover his butt. The rest of it was no more than the usual smear-from-the-hip balderdash we have come to expect.
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                  • Author by Andy Kreiss (May 10, 2010 11:50 pm ET)
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                    Yeah, I got your point, that's why I assumed diamonds was trying to saddle another poster with the quote. Beck fans always seem stuck in defending him while accidentally admitting that he's full of schlitz.
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        • Author by The_Cat (May 10, 2010 7:03 pm ET)
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          Wow, diamonds, really? So, does that mean that you agree that Sotomayor was not a devoted follower of Mao just because she quoted him one time? Because, that would make you really open minded, you know. Especially for a Faux Con.
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          • Author by diamonds (May 10, 2010 8:04 pm ET)
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            Do you mean Anita Dunn who said Mao is one of her "favorite political philosophers" and who she "turns to most"? Her own words, not mine.

            Sotomayor doesn't seem nearly as radical, at least not on the bench (ignoring other controversial remarks).
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            • Author by The_Cat (May 10, 2010 8:43 pm ET)
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              Ah, yes, Anita Dunn it was indeed. So, you've also fallen for the cropped quotes, I see. Just for you:

              And then the third lesson and tip actually come from two of my favorite political philosophers, Mao Zedong and Mother Teresa -- not often coupled with each together, but the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is, you're going to make choices. You're going to challenge. You're going to say, "Why not?" You're going to figure out how to do things that have never been done before. But here's the deal: These are your choices. They are no one else's.

              In 1947, when Mao Zedong was being challenged within his own party on his plan to basically take China over, Chiang Kai-shek and the Nationalist Chinese held the cities, they had the army, they had the air force, they had everything on their side. And people said, "How can you win? How can you do this? How can you do this against all of the odds against you?" And Mao Zedong said, you know, "You fight your war, and I'll fight mine." And think about that for a second.

              You know, you don't have to accept the definition of how to do things, and you don't have to follow other people's choices and paths, OK? It is about your choices and your path. You fight your own war. You lay out your own path. You figure out what's right for you. You don't let external definition define how good you are internally. You fight your war. You let them fight theirs. Everybody has their own path.

              And then Mother Teresa, who, upon receiving a letter from a fairly affluent young person who asked her whether she could come over and help with that orphanage in Calcutta, responded very simply: "Go find your own Calcutta." OK? Go find your own Calcutta. Fight your own path. Go find the thing that is unique to you, the challenge that is actually yours, not somebody else's challenge.


              So, the one time she agrees with Mao is the one time that Mao agrees with that heartless guttersnipe Mother Theresa. Still want to play this game? Because with facts on my side, the only place I won't win is in the mind of someone blinded by partisan ideology.
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            • Author by bintx (May 11, 2010 8:43 am ET)
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              Do you ever independently research any of the BS you hear on Fox? If not, you are woefully uninformed. You are also not a conservative, if you believe that the prattle you hear on Fox represents conservative values. You're a groupie.
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      • Author by ender34 (May 11, 2010 1:57 pm ET)
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        'Lucifer' means 'bringer of light'. He might best be equated to Prometheus who stole fire from the gods to give to man. But unlike his later avatar who got his own realm, poor Prometheus was chained to a rock and chewed by a bird for his trouble.
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    • Author by rikntx (May 10, 2010 6:40 pm ET)
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      It's official, Glenn Beck has completly lost his mind. He certainly seems a bit, I dunno, manic?
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    • Author by worrierking (May 10, 2010 6:44 pm ET)
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      People who worship Satan are not as dangerous as those who worship God.

      I doubt there's as much blood on their hands.
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      • Author by srichardson (May 10, 2010 7:29 pm ET)
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        I will agree that some of these Christian conservatives (such as my lovely Senators Coburn and Inhoffe) have a very radical and wrong belief about their religion. I keep meaning to buy that book "The Family" that focuses on the C Street house in DC and it's inhabitants. They believe that God placed them in their positions and therefore they are better than the common man. They believe they do not have to obey the same rules as the rest of us commoners. I can't wait to read the book so I can be more educated on this subject bc it is very scare when men who are in powerful positions believe they are better than others bc God placed them there and they do not have to follow the same rules. Beck is probably of this mindset and it shows. He's a flippin nut and the Mormon religion is one of the religions that totally take biblical truths out of context.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (May 10, 2010 6:55 pm ET)
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      You know, or maybe you don't, Lucifer and Satan, and the whole fall from Heaven aren't in the Bible directly. Alinsky was clearly referencing these myths and literature. I am reminded of Milton's Paradise Lost. But then, I went to college and I wasn't a stoner in high school. I usually try to avoid calling people heretics, or saying their religion is full of it, even with Mormons, but then you go and talk such smack Glennie, and I just have to do it. You are an apostate Catholic who took up a religion based on the first Western novel.
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    • Author by shaggles (May 10, 2010 6:59 pm ET)
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      Worshipping Satan? Good one. I was wondering where he was going to go after the Hitler comparisons. Of course in Beck's religion Satan's role is a little differant than in convetional Christianity.
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      • Author by srichardson (May 10, 2010 7:30 pm ET)
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        Do tell what Satan's role is in Beck's religion! I'm interested to know all of the craziness that surrounds this man. Thanks
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    • Author by temphandle tearfully55timetable (May 10, 2010 7:14 pm ET)
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      What's next? Voodoo...God I hope so!
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    • Author by srichardson (May 10, 2010 7:21 pm ET)
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      Obama worships Glenn Beck!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!

      ha ha, get it, beck is the devil. That's for you teabaggers so you'll know I was being sarcastic
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    • Author by bailorgana (May 10, 2010 8:05 pm ET)
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      The chesse has fallen of his cracker.
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      • Author by Disputed Zone (May 10, 2010 8:44 pm ET)
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        It's not the most crazy thing Beck says in this clip, but it's quite a stretch to go from an "acknowledgment" to "worship."

        Here is an interesting version of the myth I heard from Joseph Campbell:

        One of the most amazing images of love that I know is in Persian - a mystical Persian representation as Satan as the most loyal lover of God. You will have heard the old legend of how, when God created the angels, he commanded them to pay worship to no one but himself; but then, creating man, he commanded them to bow in reverence to this most noble of his works, and Lucifer refused - because, we are told, of his pride. However, according to this Muslim reading of his case, it was rather because he loved and adored God so deeply and intensely that he could not bring himself to bow before anything else, and because he refused to bow down to something inferior to him (since he was made of fire, and man from clay). And it was for that that he was flung into Hell, condemned to exist there forever, apart from his love.
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    • Author by The_Cat (May 10, 2010 8:53 pm ET)
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      Wait a minute, Beck. You've already called Obama Satan, so you're arguing that he has people around just to worship him? Have I got that right? More importantly, when did you try to drill a hole in your head? Because I think most of what's left of your brain has leaked out.
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      • Author by mescal (May 10, 2010 9:52 pm ET)
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        And that leak wasn't exactly a catastrophic gusher like the one down in the Gulf, Cat. This one could be cleaned up in seconds with a handkerchief.:0)
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        • Author by John Paradox (May 10, 2010 10:49 pm ET)
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          I tend to think "Beck's brain" would be highly toxic.
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    • Author by Ninure (May 11, 2010 11:10 am ET)
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      Did Beck forget that the people who killed Jesus wete the CONSERVATIVES of his day?

      Or that this country was the fruit of a REBELLION?

      WHAT A MARROON!!

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    • Author by blurider (May 11, 2010 3:43 pm ET)
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      It seems it would be a lot more accurate to say that William F Buckley liked him a lot but since when did Beck care about accuracy?

      Buckley referred to him as 'an organizational genius' I believe, while Beck feels no need to reference his remark about Obama 'liking him a lot'.

      On the other hand knowing Beck, that entire rant could have had no more direct purpose than planting the silly, meaningless, notion that Obama 'liked' Alinski in the sheep minds of his viewer/followers while at the same time, leaving an impression of what a terrible thing that is.

      Furthermore I'd wager that it worked on half or more!
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    • Author by tman418 (May 11, 2010 5:17 pm ET)
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      "rebelling against the establishment" seems to be the primary role of those who are out of power and disagree with those who are in power.

      I have no idea where Beck is getting the idea that Obama led some rebels and overthrew the Federal Government. He was ELECTED! Nor do I understand Beck's point in the Saul Alinsky/Lucifer quote (and Beck, we don't need the devil horns to know who Lucifer is).

      I think Beck should just stick with the Hitler and Mussolini references. They are still asinine and don't hold up to comparison against Obama, but at least his false equivilencies appear to make sense.
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