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Peterson Foundation's Walker: "We used to have debtors prisons, now bankruptcy's no taint"

June 11, 2010 3:23 pm ET

From the June 11 edition of CNBC's Squawk Box:

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WALKER: The fact of the matter is we have to change how we do things. We are on an imprudent and unsustainable path in a number of ways. You talk about debtors prisons, we used to have debtors prisons, now bankruptcy's no taint. Bankruptcy's an exit strategy. Our society and our culture have changed. We need to get back to opportunity and move away from entitlement. We need to be able to provide reasonable risk but we need to hold people accountable when they do imprudent things. It's pretty fundamental.

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    • Author by DAWUSS (June 11, 2010 3:26 pm ET)
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      If that's the case, I'm off to SPEND SPEND SPEND!!!!!!!!!

      ;)
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    • Author by rtejon (June 11, 2010 3:29 pm ET)
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      So he's on the side of making the indigence of debtors permanent?
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    • Author by blueline99 (June 11, 2010 3:31 pm ET)
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      being impoverished isn't punishment enough... let's make it criminal to be poor
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      • Author by shaggles (June 11, 2010 3:37 pm ET)
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        I think that's what they want. They don't realize though that poverty is the result of others accumulating wealth. There's a limited supply of wealth. If a few people aquire most of it that leaves everyone else to share what's left.
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        • Author by indigo1968 (June 11, 2010 5:46 pm ET)
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          Why not? It worked in the Victorian Age alongside such time-honored social institutions as public workhouses.
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        • Author by Andy Kreiss (June 11, 2010 9:26 pm ET)
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          Psssst... Shaggles, I can't believe you didn't bait any wingnuts into the "not a zero sum game!" mantra. Did all of their moms come home and kick them off the compooters ? :0)
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      • Author by papa bear3 (June 11, 2010 9:07 pm ET)
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        . . . and provide fodder for a bigger Army
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    • Author by Major Tom (June 11, 2010 3:31 pm ET)
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      "Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"
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      • Author by mary59 (June 11, 2010 3:42 pm ET)
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        Exactly! The beginning of the Industrial Revolution in England seems to be their wet dream.

        They long for the good 'ole days of chain gangs, debtors' prisons, orphanages and wife beating.
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        • Author by LKL (June 11, 2010 4:12 pm ET)
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          They sure seem to! Do you think that if this guy read "The Jungle," he would think -- "ah, the good old days . . ."?
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          • Author by RedChocobo (June 11, 2010 4:30 pm ET)
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            I'm sure that most Republicans "tease the panther" to the idea of pre-labor laws America every night.
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            • Author by MickD (June 11, 2010 4:33 pm ET)
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              Here come the three ghosts, and it ain't even the War on Xmas Sweaters yet.
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        • Author by John Paradox (June 13, 2010 12:47 pm ET)
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          They long for the good 'ole days of chain gangs

          [http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/SheriffArpaioPrisonersPinkShirts.jpg]
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    • Author by shaggles (June 11, 2010 3:31 pm ET)
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      Is he advocating debtors prison?
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    • Author by raddave43 (June 11, 2010 3:47 pm ET)
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      Who would pay for these debtors prison? Wouldn't that mean an expansion of the Government?
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      • Author by Major Tom (June 11, 2010 4:17 pm ET)
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        Naw... That's the beauty! You privatize the prisons and we can all profit of the backs of the poor! /snark
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        • Author by jjamele2880 (June 11, 2010 7:30 pm ET)
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          I'm buying stock in gruel. Maybe start a chimney sweep business. These things are cyclical.
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    • Author by ScienceBuff (June 11, 2010 3:54 pm ET)
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      Aside from his sick and obscene nostalgia for debtors' prisons, he's simply wrong about the result of bankruptcy. It is NOT without social stigma and it is NOT without penalty.
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    • Author by liberalXtian (June 11, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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      Why is there no taint for businesses and large corporations who go bankrupt? Maybe the highest officers of these companies get off with a tidy sum of money left and the workers are left jobless and usually broke. Now if these displaced workers declare bankruptcy, they should be tossed in jail? What about the the expert businessmen whose actions put them out of work?

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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (June 11, 2010 4:41 pm ET)
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      Has this tool ever studied European history and it's influence on American law, government, and culture, and discovered why there are no "debtors prisons" in this country?

      And I also specifically recall that it was under the administration of GWB that bankruptcy laws were changed to promote more "personal responsibility" for those who are struggling under major debt and seeking relief through bankruptcy. I also recall that the bill was pro-business, anti-citizen.

      I suggest this tool call GWB, or any of the current "conservatives" in Congress who voted in favor of bankruptcy reform during the last administration. Surely with majorities in both houses of Congress in GWB's administration, they could have attempted to re-institute "debtors' prisons," and they would have been cheered along every step of the way.
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      • Author by mary59 (June 11, 2010 4:46 pm ET)
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        That debtors' prison better not have cable. And you can forget all those perks all the other prisoners get in regular prison, like regular meals.
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      • Author by Pinhead (June 11, 2010 8:08 pm ET)
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        You talk about debtors prisons, we used to have debtors prisons, now bankruptcy's no taint.


        This guy is a taint. Are they sure he's not from The Clavin Foundation?
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    • Author by txthinker (June 11, 2010 4:47 pm ET)
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      WALKER: We need to be able to provide reasonable risk but we need to hold people accountable when they do imprudent things. It's pretty fundamental.
      Fine. Eliminate "too big to fail" for good. If a group of executives run a company into the ground, send them to prison and throw away the key.

      Oh, wait. This moron isn't talking about corporations, is he? He's talking about regular, run-of-the mill PEOPLE......
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    • Author by dkylep (June 11, 2010 5:11 pm ET)
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      Too bad that America already has prison times for debt. They don't call it 'debtor's prison' any longer, but people go to jail just the same, all over failure to pay back debt.

      See, the companies that buy up the unpaid debts take the people to court. The court issues a judicial order for the person to pay back the loan, or at least start with a minimum payment of 'x' dollars.

      When the bankrupt and poor person fails to pay, they are charged with 'contempt of court' and a warrant is issued for their arrest. They are then held until they make a minimum payment to get out of jail (bail is usually set at the same price as the minimum payment they're supposed to be making).

      See? Isn't that nice? America has prison time for debt, they simply don't call it 'debtor's prison' any longer. And if you can't pay the bail/minimum payment, they're entitled by the warrant to hold you as long as they want (though the standard practice is simply to take all your stuff and then let you out of jail with warnings that they'll be watching you and garnishing your wages, etc).

      It's like getting Al Capone on a lesser charge instead of murder. Everybody knows what's happening, but the farce is played out to give the illusion of legitimacy to everybody dumb enough to believe that there is still justice for poor people.
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      • Author by blk-in-alabam (June 11, 2010 8:28 pm ET)
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        They are doing that with "Payday Loans",in north Alabama.If people don't pay the check they give the payday loan people,on time.They charge them with giving a bad check to someone who told them to give them a check from their account that has no money in it.They do not tell people they will put them in jail for not paying them,until they do.
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    • Author by christopher howard (June 11, 2010 5:49 pm ET)
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      Eff you, Walker. You talk about how consumers should have responsibilities toward debtors without addressing the fact that there is an entire infrastructure built on keeping people in permanent debt. I for one have a decent credit rating and have paid my debts in a timely fashion, but that didn't stop my credit card company from jacking my APR up to over 30% when they had the chance. If you want a return of indentured servitude or debtors prisons, man up and say so.
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    • Author by Unreality (June 11, 2010 8:23 pm ET)
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      Oh goody!

      That's where can put deadbeats such as AIG, Lehman Brothers, Countrywide, WaMu, GM, Chrysler, et al. Donald Trump also filed for bankruptcy protection a few years back? Imagine The Donald in debtor's prison.

      My estimate is that by the time they fill the prisons with those folks there won't be any room for little guys.

      Oh, wait. I forgot that AIG isn't a person! So debtors' prison only applies to individuals who don't hold their assets in a trust or limited liability structure.
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    • Author by papa bear3 (June 11, 2010 9:14 pm ET)
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      . . . The American Siberia is all those jobs across the country that have low pay long hours, dangerous and have no hope. They range from cab driver to night porter.
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