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Zakaria explains the importance of spending in a recession

July 04, 2010 1:55 pm ET

From the July 4 edition of CNN's Fareed Zakaria GPS:

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    • Author by usp (July 04, 2010 2:06 pm ET)
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      can he be trusted? i mean there is no short skirt- there is no blonde hair? it's just i'm not comfortable believing unless there is someone tugging at their skirt- sheesh
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    • Author by the Grey Path (July 04, 2010 2:07 pm ET)
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      This guy is sharp. He's got it right. Spend now, pay down later.

      But ... Does our government have the courage to trim off the upcoming bubble?
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    • Author by ojnabieoot (July 04, 2010 2:21 pm ET)
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      But the deficit!!!!

      [http://imgur.com/445BF.jpg]

      (credit: Pat Bagley)
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    • Author by internet soldier (July 04, 2010 2:56 pm ET)
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      Keynesianism can seem counterintuitive on the surface, but I'm sure most people can understand why it is necessary for the government to spend when lack of consumer spending threatens to undo the economy.

      Democrats seem to be afraid to attack the deficit fetishists; they seem to think they will be unable persuade that deficits are good during recessions. And it doesn't make sense; if people are too stupid to understand something this simple, there is no hope, so we might as well try.
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      • Author by iglou (July 05, 2010 12:20 am ET)
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        Or they could increase taxes on corporations and the wealthy. Stop the kickbacks to big oil/energy and big banks. Enough with the handouts and make them pay their fair share. That would make up a lot of budgetary deficit. Either they'll move their money and business out of country or they'll reinvest it.
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    • Author by DellDolly (July 04, 2010 3:03 pm ET)
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      Every time a Republican complains about the deficit and the national debt, an explanation like this should come from the media.

      This business of simply being transcriptionists is ludicrous and really needs to stop!
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    • Author by draftedin68 (July 04, 2010 3:23 pm ET)
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      Fareed who?

      Fluff pieces are regurgitated day after day on the Crap News Network, but you'll never hear a single salient point from Fareed's show.

      Maybe they burn the tapes every Sunday afternoon.



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      • Author by RiffRabbit (July 04, 2010 5:07 pm ET)
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        May I ask why you think that this Zakaria clip does not include any salient points?
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        • Author by John Paradox (July 04, 2010 5:42 pm ET)
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          You can ask, but I wouldn't expect an answer.
          At the least, a coherent one.
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          • Author by RiffRabbit (July 04, 2010 5:57 pm ET)
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            Somehow I didn't think so, but I try to seek clarification. I'm not always great at withholding judgment, but getting people to elaborate really helps.
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        • Author by draftedin68 (July 04, 2010 6:41 pm ET)
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          You're joking, right?

          My comment was an attempted attack on CNN, not Fareed.

          Now that Christiane Amanpour has left, Fareed's show is the only thing worth watching.

          I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Berie Shaw won't admit to ever working for CNN.
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          • Author by RiffRabbit (July 04, 2010 8:41 pm ET)
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            I'm sorry. You said that "you'll never hear a single salient point from Fareed's show". How is anyone supposed to interpret that as saying anything but "I don't like Fareed's show?"
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          • Author by the Grey Path (July 04, 2010 9:22 pm ET)
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            I agree that CNN has really sunk in the past several years, but it's still on top.

            You really do need to read your posts before hitting the save button though.

            Personally, I want Aaron Brown back.
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          • Author by jjamele2880 (July 05, 2010 9:59 am ET)
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            "Fareed Who?"

            "...Fareed's show is the only thing worth watching..."

            Come back when you decide what your opinion is- clearly you are a confused little boy right now.
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      • Author by nativeofsf (July 04, 2010 10:26 pm ET)
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        My my, here's another troll-comment. Unfortunately, too many seem to have acquired that "Go on and feed the rabid dog with your fingers" syndrome here. One would have thought, by now, of getting immunized. At least on should learn the antagonizing symptoms...

        What? Did I accuse the screeder of being a troll? Moron perhaps, but just read his response to his baited frothing. Afterwards, count your fingers...maybe your arm, as well?
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        • Author by iglou (July 05, 2010 12:25 am ET)
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          Trolls are all growling and no bark even. They need teeth to bite. Truth and fact gives one the teeth they need to bite back. I'd give a direct response to the troll but this one is so lame it should be caught by the mods I'd hope.
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          • Author by nativeofsf (July 07, 2010 5:58 am ET)
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            Oh please, you've never seen anyone politically gummed-to-death?
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        • Author by DellDolly (July 05, 2010 2:40 am ET)
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          This poster's not a troll - but he sure seems off-base with his attack here, and I think he should have reread his post before hitting save, as I think it said things he didn't mean to say.

          Alcohol maybe?
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          • Author by draftedin68 (July 05, 2010 11:21 am ET)
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            No, not booze; Grandchildren-babysitting distraction to some degree, but while I could have better constructed my post, I stand by it - as part of the Corporate Controlled Media, CNN is crap (and getting crappier) and Fareed is gold.
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            • Author by DellDolly (July 05, 2010 12:42 pm ET)
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              How can......

              Fareed who?

              Fluff pieces are regurgitated day after day on the Crap News Network, but you'll never hear a single salient point from Fareed's show.


              ..... be translated into support for Fareed and his show's content?

              No one but you has interpreted that comment as anything but a slam on Fareed. That's why I believe you said things you didn't mean to say.

              I believe you DID intend to praise Fareed. I don't believe that your post, as constructed, did that in any way, shape or form.
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              • Author by draftedin68 (July 05, 2010 2:03 pm ET)
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                It's all in the preposition...

                If I'd said on Fareed's show I'd agree with your comment (and others' above), but I said from Fareed's show.

                And as a parting shot: More and more, CNN seems to be aiming for the Beckian Borg among us and not for people who gather information from more than one source.



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                • Author by bintx (July 06, 2010 9:35 am ET)
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                  I got your point. Fareed's show gets virtually no recognition and you're not likely to hear a quote from his show unless you are actually watching it. He gets no coverage.

                  I agree.
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                • Author by DellDolly (July 06, 2010 12:45 pm ET)
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                  You needed to add something to indicate that you were saying that you'd never heard a salient point from Fareed's show replayed.

                  Without that point, there's no clear way to understand that you were saying that no salient point from Fareed's show is replayed on CNN.

                  As I said above,

                  I believe you DID intend to praise Fareed. I don't believe that your post, as constructed, did that in any way, shape or form.

                  I still don't. I get your point now that you've explained it, but I don't think that the problem is our misreading of the word "from". And I think your derogatory-sounding "Fareed who?" didn't help matters.

                  And I HAVE seen Fareed pieces replayed by CNN quite a number of times. I don't usually watch his show live on Sundays, but I've seen them on other CNN and Headline News shows.
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            • Author by nativeofsf (July 07, 2010 5:51 am ET)
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              After perusing all this blathering, misinterpreted-as-a-troll's-response stuff, regarding your stumbling words, you further abase yourself, d-in-68, by obliquely blaming your grandchildren? So you really believe Custer's Last Stand to be more nobler & heroic [perhaps even more patriotic?] than honestly admitting you made a mistake? Afterwards you could claim to erring [somewhat] as your drooling copout. Remember, better to stand up, take the bullet and be a mentsch...or would you prefer to disgrace the fruit of your progeny? Hey man, what would Mr. Natural do?
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 04, 2010 4:13 pm ET)
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      Exporting finished products is also important.
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    • Author by alienofwar (July 04, 2010 11:06 pm ET)
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      You would think the logical thing to do is pay down the debt during good times and borrow money during bad times. A way of keeping the economy in equilibrium, or at the very least preventing an economic collapse. Unfortunately our previous predecessor in the White House thought it was more important to cut taxes for billionaires and bring this country into perpetual war than actually keeping our finances in order and paying down the debt for the future. And yet Democrats are the ones labeled as big spenders. Sheesh.


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    • Author by ProgLib (July 04, 2010 11:46 pm ET)
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      This is probably the ONLY good show on CNN... as was Amanpour's program, before she decided to leave for ABC.
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    • Author by Unreality (July 05, 2010 3:28 am ET)
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      This anti-deficit stuff is just so much B.S. People are being paid BIG BUCKS to oppose money going to unemployed citizens instead of big corporations.

      Meanwhile, the evidence of the Bush era's support for deficits didn't disappear.

      William Beach of Center for Data Analysis Director Heritage Foundation was on PBS NewsHour on Friday night crying crocodile tears about the defict in the guise of opposing increase in unemployment benefits. "... we have created a bit of a problem by extending unemployment beyond that 26 weeks."

      JEFFREY BROWN: You mean the benefits themselves act as a disincentive for people?

      WILLIAM BEACH: After a point, they do. And that is what the overwhelming body of academic evidence actually shows. (note that Beach often asserts academic data, but the sources are specious because they're paid to produce the results. You'd never want to take a drug that these guys developed.)

      And it can in fact cut the consumption expenditures of households, because a dollar on unemployment, about 55 cents of that is actually spent by the household.
      (WTF? Show me someone who is taking home 40% of their prior take home pay which is typical unemployment where I live, and then saving 45% of that. Is this guy in charge of data or B.S.?)
      So if you take it too long beyond its emergency and safety net purposes, you can create just kind of the opposite result that you were hoping to.

      Here's National Review Article from 3/19/2003 (that date sound familiar?)
      The Truth About Deficits by William Beach.

      Of all the arguments being marshaled against President Bush’s latest tax proposal, the one with the most sticking power can be boiled down to that one word — deficits. Pass this tax cut, we’re told, and huge, economy-wrecking deficits will result.
      Sen. Joseph Lieberman fired a warning shot on Feb. 3. “In total, $5.6 trillion in projected surpluses have turned into more than $1.5 trillion in projected deficits over the next five years for us and our children — including deficits of more than $300 billion in each of the next two years alone.”

      Unfortunately, Lieberman and many other politicians are wildly overstating the likely budget deficits. Many economists, including those at the Heritage Foundation’s Center for Data Analysis, predict the deficit under President Bush’s proposed tax plan will actually grow by a fraction of the Lieberman estimate — about $340 billion between 2004 and 2013.
      Creative spin? No. You get that result when you analyze tax policy changes with a forecasting method known as “dynamic scoring.” This type of economic model, used for many years by private businesses and state governments, predicts the president’s tax cut would lead to more jobs, higher wages, and a stronger economy.
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      But isn’t any deficit of any size a problem? Sen. John McCain believes so. Deficits are “incredibly harmful to our economy,” he recently told the Newhouse News Service. “We all know the results of high deficits and that’s higher interest rates, which directly affect middle-income and retired Americans.”

      McCain is echoing the conventional wisdom — but the conventional wisdom is wrong. In fact, the Treasury Department examined trends between 1965 and 1983 and concluded that “high deficits have virtually no relationship with high interest rates in this time period.” A series of university and government studies of other nations and time periods yielded the same result.

      What really harms middle-income Americans is unemployment. Again, history shows that tax cuts — what the president is proposing — lead to more employment and economic growth. That will assure that families, as well as the federal government, have the resources they need to address pressing problems.

      Rep. Dick Gephardt claims the government used to have those resources. He blames the president for “squandering the surplus.” On Feb. 19, Gephardt charged, “President Bush said if we passed his trickle-down tax cuts, it would help the economy and pay for itself. But he turned the largest surpluses ever — $5.6 trillion dollars — into the largest deficits, breaking his own father’s record.”

      But the truth is, today’s deficits are caused by a faltering economy, not tax cuts. When the Bush administration took office, the Congressional Budget Office predicted the economy would grow 2.4% in 2001 and 3.4% in 2002. Instead it sank into recession, costing the Treasury an estimated $145 billion of tax revenues in 2001 and $280 billion more in 2002.

      So was Heritage right in 2003 or are they right today? Has Heritage ever been right is the operative question.
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      • Author by DellDolly (July 05, 2010 12:46 pm ET)
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        When we have multiple people trying for every job, it doesn't matter if Person A would rather continue relying upon unemployment and Person B gets the job, or if Person A feels the threat of losing his unemployment, so HE goes out and gets the job, and Person B remains on unemployment despite applying for the job!

        We still have a person getting unemployment and a person newly re-employed.

        Unemployment insurance benefits DO make some people complacent. So what?
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        • Author by cugagcmu805031 (July 05, 2010 5:04 pm ET)
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          It does seem that many members in Congress do not realize that, if jobs are created that pay more than the minimum wage, people will most likely gravitate toward those jobs, but then, logic doesn't seem to exist among this particular group.

          I really don't understand how the members of the Senate went home last week to their gated communities, condominiums, vacation homes, maids, drivers, gardeners, etc, with a calm mind knowing that millions of people would have no money coming into their homes to buy food or pay some of their bills. Paul Krugman has an article in the NYT today that addresses the kind of people that are in Congress who can do this to others.
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    • Author by grunt (July 05, 2010 5:47 pm ET)
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      I would like to see these politicians take the rest of the stimulus money and give us all an income tax holiday for as long as possible. I would almost guarantee that type of action would stimulate this economy. For many families, a federal tax holiday would equal hundreds of dollars a month in needed / discretionary income. The power hungry fools in Washington would never be willing to try such a thing though. They don't trust us mere citizens. They sit in their ivory towers and "know better" where these billions of dollars need to be directed. I believe there is still over half of the stimulus money left. That should allow for a couple of months of federal-tax free income. What families wouldn't benefit from this scenario?
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      • Author by internet soldier (July 05, 2010 7:23 pm ET)
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        During a recession, tax cuts tend to be saved rather than spent. That's why they would do little facilitate an economic recovery. And that's particular true for higher income brackets.
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      • Author by Unreality (July 06, 2010 3:00 am ET)
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        grunt,
        Not necessarily the most productive use of money.

        I've recently been at several medical conferences here in Silicon Valley where the lack of capital is leaving many great ideas/technologies/products sitting on the shelf. There were over 500 entrepreneurs at one event and tax cuts wouldn't help us. I'm actually of the counter-intuitive view that higher taxes drive venture investment because investors want higher returns. (Yes the VC industry netted zero for the 2000-2009 decade due to a lot of really stupid me-too practices.)

        I know that if I had a tax cut it wouldn't make a difference in the economy. I'm paying 15-25% on the cards so I pay down all credit before taking on new debt, even if it would add jobs. I'd use it to pay down my credit card bills (used to fund our startup) before I'd be able to fix my roof, replace the 23 year old vacuum, 25 year old washer, 60 year old furnace, 100 year old windows, etc. even though there are great tax breaks for those. Sadly, cash is king is a rational decision.

        If my credit cards went back to the 6-9% I was paying 2-3 years ago I might change my cash strategy.

        As to the stimulus money - there is a large minority of congress (I won't name names) who didn't want to get the money out doing something, they wanted to tie it to tax cuts.
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        • Author by grunt (July 06, 2010 2:55 pm ET)
             
          You somewhat affirmed my point. You would pay down your debts which would free up more money for discretionary purchases. I would definitely benefit and many middle class families like me. Sure I would save more, but I would also probably put more into my 401(k). I would probably be open to spending a little more on the (much reduced) vacation my family and I are going to take. In this economy, more cash in consumers hands cannot be a bad thing I don't think. However, adding more to the deficit seems outrageous in this environment. That is why I am pointing out that we could take the remaining funds and give a tax holiday. I really don't see the stimulus doing very much for our jobs picture or consumers at this point. We can play the "what if" game all we want, but the point is that in the typical prime economic months (April-early fall), the job numbers, revenues, and spending all look pretty bad when put into context.

          I don't know how you feel, but I sense that most Americans feel like the stimulus was more of a bailout than a stimulus. I think there is a lot of weariness about these policies, and I guess I would just like to see something different or out of the box attempted in this unique times.
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