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July 13, 2010 1:02 am ET

From the July 12 edition of MSNBC's The Rachel Maddow Show:

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    • Author by fairliberal (July 13, 2010 1:06 am ET)
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      The name of his book should be "The Broken Promises". The longer Obama remaims in office the longer the book gets.
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      • Author by MidnightWriter (July 13, 2010 1:46 am ET)
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        Well, he got the Health Care Reform bill through. That promise was the one most important to me.
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        • Author by fairliberal (July 13, 2010 2:00 am ET)
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          But he had to bribe his way through that. He could not even get it through with 60 dems in the Senate without bribery. I wondered as I heard that they would pursue another ban on drilling if they will forge another report of "experts". Obama is consistent, yup, consistently corrupt. Change we can believe in.

          He should have said, we need to pass this bill before you find out what's in it.
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          • Author by DellDolly (July 13, 2010 2:46 am ET)
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            You thought that when Obama became President, he'd a dictator who wouldn't need the cooperation of Congress to get stuff done?

            Really?

            How stupid are you?
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 13, 2010 8:09 am ET)
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            He never had 60 dems. NEVER. Look at the numbers and you find the only time he had 60 dems was for about 6 weeks - after Spectro defected and Franken was FINALLY sworn in, about a month and half before Sen Kennedy died. But Sen Kennedy had not been present in congress or cast ANY votes for about a year at that point, due to his illness.

            And before you tell me that Sen Kennedy should have stepped down if he could no longer perform his duties, let me say that I'd agree with you, and THAT WOULD HAVE given Obama 60 votes. But as it was he never HAD 60 votes.

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            Historical FACT.
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            • Author by wwjbd (July 13, 2010 9:37 am ET)
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              and what Paul Kirk was just chopped liver? His votes were identical to Kerry's and he was there four - five months.

              Six weeks, isn't entirely accurate.
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            • Author by dogbreath (July 13, 2010 10:27 am ET)
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              The reality is that getting Democrats to agree on anything is liek trying to herd cats. Moreover, when you are dealing with something as huge as health care reform and you have a broken Senate, the wheels are bound to come off. The only thing you can do is repair the wheels, as best you can, and drive on down the road. The bill that was ultimately passed isn't great, but it is a start.
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              • Author by cugagcmu805031 (July 13, 2010 11:59 am ET)
                   
                Not goose stepping in concert is an alien idea to many "conservatives." Senator Bennett highlighted this aspect of the republicans in Congress last week, noting the inability of many of them to vote as individuals representing their states/districts for fear of strong arming coming from Boehner, Kyl, Cantor, and McConnell.

                I've noticed how they have goose stepped so well together over the last 17 months. Take Congressman Cao, for example, who voted in favor of HIR in the fall and against it after being pressured by his party members. His reward for voting against HIR in March was a huge fundraiser hosted by Boehner within days after he voted against the bill. He represents convicted felon, William Jefferson's district in LA, which has a high number of minority voters. He voted against his own constituents' interests, and there's a very good change that he won't be re-elected in November.
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 13, 2010 1:01 pm ET)
                     
                  Not goose stepping in concert is an alien idea to many "conservatives."

                  Exactly why I find poster Floyd's favorite epithet, "sheeple" so hilarious. Liberal can absolutely be wrong, but right or wrong, a "sheep"-like mentality is just antithetical to the whole liberal philosphy.

                  I mean... you've got Republicans who always seem to vote in 100% lock-step, while the Democrats can't order lunch without the support of three special sub-committees. Does that suggest that the Democrats are INEEFICIENT? Perhaps. (Shoot, absolutley!) But it also VERY CLEARLY shows who the "sheep" really are!

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                  And it ain't the Democrats or the Liberals. That's one bit of projection that just don't fly.
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            • Author by fairliberal (July 13, 2010 1:07 pm ET)
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              It's interesting how standards change here with the very flexible libs. I remember when it was pointed out repeatedly how Bush and the repubs tried to regulate Fannie and Freddie in the early years of the Bush admin. What I heard quite consistently was that since the repubs controlled Congress they should have just passed the laws themselves. I have no idea if you took this position but most of your pals here did. Now of course you are making excuses for Obama and why he had difficulty passing his agenda with a MUCH larger majority in both houses. He had to resort to bribery. But that is the status quo for him, look how he forged the oil drilling ban opinion of his experts. I wonder if he will have a new panel of experts whose opinion he can once again forge to back up his political agenda?

              And BTW, he did have the votes in the Senate, but you just keep making excuses for him. But you are right, Kennedy should have stepped down for the good of the party, but he did not. I remember what Con Ed used to say in NY, "Dig We Must", in Obama land it is bribe we must.
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      • Author by New Frontier (July 13, 2010 8:35 am ET)
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        Why right-wingers like fairliberal persist in proving they cannot do humor is really beyond me. It's almost like they're proud of the fact.
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      • Author by txthinker (July 13, 2010 9:52 am ET)
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        The name of his book should be "The Broken Promises". The longer Obama remaims in office the longer the book gets.
        That shows how little fairliberal knows.

        PolitiFact has been tracking President Obama's campaign promises. And according to their web site (Politifact.com) here's the latest tally on more than 500 promises:

        Promises Kept - 119
        Compromise - 37
        Promises Broken - 19
        Stalled - 82
        In The Works - 245
        Not Yet Rated - 3

        So I'd say that on balance, he's doing as well as can be expected, seeing as he has to deal with the moron Republicans in Congress who say "NO" to everything.....
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        • Author by wwjbd (July 13, 2010 10:01 am ET)
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          can you not do math? Even if every republican votes no on everything, he still can pass if the democrats in congress want it.
          See the Health Care vote.
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          • Author by bintx (July 13, 2010 10:06 am ET)
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            Ah, a person who has no concept of the workings of our government or with the duties of the three branches. I would suggest Articles I and II of the Constitution as required reading before you comment. You should also peruse the Senate Rules and House Rules, with a concentration on the Senate Rules regarding filibuster. I might also suggest that you do some reading on the terms "conservative" and "liberal," in order to understand that those terms do NOT denote political club affiliation.

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            • Author by wwjbd (July 13, 2010 10:24 am ET)
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              http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll887.xml
              Ayes 220
              Democrats 219
              Republicans 1
              Noes 215
              Democrats 39
              Republicans 176

              http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2009/s/396
              Ayes: 60 (Democrat: 58; Republican: 0; Other: 2) Nays: 39 (Democrat: 0; Republican: 39) Abstained: 1 (Democrat: 0; Republican: 1)

              bintx "are a phony and a jerk"


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              • Author by bintx (July 13, 2010 10:27 am ET)
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                And? That was the Health Insurance Reform [not health care] vote.

                Read what I said, stupid.

                Oh, and my comment stands, matthew.raines, you are a phony and a jerk and you have NO concept of how our government works based upon your comments above and below and every other place you post here. You also seem to have some SERIOUS reading comprehension problems.

                Carry on, matthew.raines.
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                • Author by wwjbd (July 13, 2010 10:36 am ET)
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                  Bintx "And, you, matthew.raines, are a phony and a jerk. "

                  Me "And you need a job. Matthew.Raines isn't my name"

                  Bintx "Carry on, matthew.raines."

                  Yet, I have the comprehension problems.

                  You clones can try and blame the republicans all you want, but the filibuster is only thing they have.

                  Democratic president, Democratic Senate, Democratic House. It is the dissention among your own that keeps bills from passing.

                  But I'm so glad i rent space in your head.
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            • Author by cugagcmu805031 (July 13, 2010 12:02 pm ET)
                 
              As a retired social studies teacher who taught civics and U.S. History for many years, you hit a homerun with this comment. Not knowing certain things about our history and government can definitely lead one to reach inaccurate, flawed conclusions.
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        • Author by SMTDL (July 13, 2010 12:28 pm ET)
             
          How high would it be if it only took the House vote to pass? between thehighly obstructionist Senate and unpatriotic 24/7 Conservative media attack machine its a wonder anything gets done.Even still he has done more that he said he would do than most PRES at this stage (18 mos into a 4 yr term)!!!Why is this President judged so hardshly this soon given the mess he inherited.How could he get everything done so fast even with a normal Congress let alone this partisan,power mad group of Republicans that have no interest in governing just working for his failure on every issue.
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    • Author by Saturnalian (July 13, 2010 1:21 am ET)
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      HA! I've been thinking the same thing about Faux Snooze being the Birchers network. Right on Jonathan!
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    • Author by fairliberal (July 13, 2010 1:44 am ET)
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      Doesn't Rachel look like Stan Laurel?
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      • Author by usp (July 13, 2010 1:53 am ET)
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        just a bit heavier- and minus the bowler- but i'll give that to you. at least she's not looking like rush of fatback fame
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        • Author by MidnightWriter (July 13, 2010 2:01 am ET)
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          Certainly not the most flattering of screen grabs we're likely to see of Rachel.

          Fortunately we all know she's rather cute.
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          • Author by DellDolly (July 13, 2010 2:48 am ET)
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            Did you see the high school picture of her? Apparently she's not thrilled with it being out there, but she's really cute in it. She's not bad looking now, if you can get past the fact that her face is terribly crooked, but in high school, with long blonde hair, I think she was quite pretty.
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            • Author by wwjbd (July 13, 2010 9:46 am ET)
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              Really? Y'all are reducing her down to a pretty face?
              Oh the sexism.
              I can't stand her politics, but she is articulate, intelligent, witty and good at what she does.
              When Olberman's contact ends, they should remove him, and move her up.
              While she likes to vibrate off her chair, and cleverly edit, she's not embarrasing like mathews and his thrill up his leg.
              She is the best man on that channel.

              That said, she looks more like Jack's version of the Joker but I'd hit it.

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              • Author by bintx (July 13, 2010 9:58 am ET)
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                She is the best man on that channel.


                And, you, matthew.raines, are a phony and a jerk.
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                • Author by wwjbd (July 13, 2010 10:09 am ET)
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                  No, i meant all of it.
                  She is the best on that network.
                  MSNBC needs to seriously consider dropping Olberman and moving her up. Her ratings are almost as good and in a later slot.

                  And I really meant that you fools diminish her work when you say "we all know she's rather cute"
                  and expose your sexism.

                  And you need a job. Matthew.Raines isn't my name.
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                  • Author by bintx (July 13, 2010 10:24 am ET)
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                    I have a very, very GOOD job, thanks, though. I've been gainfully employed probably longer than you've been alive.

                    Oh, and I know that matthew.raines isn't your name, but you used it when you first started posting here.

                    I didn't say anything at all about Rachel Maddow being cute or attractive. I agree wholeheartedly that she is articulate, intelligent, witty and good at what she does. I was just commenting on your disgusting comment. I really don't think I'd be lambasting someone for being "sexist" when you made the homophobic and ridiculous comment that I posted above.

                    As I said, you're a phony and a jerk.
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                    • Author by wwjbd (July 13, 2010 10:54 am ET)
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                      Working for MMFA and being a politcal hack isn't really a good job.
                      Google retrieve 18,000 postings for you on mmfa.
                      If you aren't getting paid, you have really been scammed into thinking your ramblings mean something.

                      at 6,000 a year, that 120 a week. That's a full time job reading, researching and replying.
                      And that's only mmfa. Where else do you post?

                      Good for you. I bet mom is so proud.

                      And no I never claimed or used matthew.raines.
                      Can't you remember, I've told you this before.

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                  • Author by MidnightWriter (July 13, 2010 11:22 am ET)
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                    Ah, so, to you, the acknowledgement that someone had pleasing physical features is somehow equal to sexism? Well, you'd best be ready to slap that label on a whole lot of people on the right particularly those who fawn over Palin.

                    Personally I see sexism as an act of discriminating against someone because of their gender, and/or degrading them, and/or holding stereotypical attitudes towards them. Given that I've made more than a few posts on here praising Dr. Maddow's exceptional work and made the case that she should be the one hosting Meet the Press I doubt you'll find many who will support the idea that I'm holding discriminating/degrading/stereotypical attitudes towards her.

                    Nevertheless if you do, well, I should come clean on other matters as well. I also think she's got an exceptional dry sense of humor. Call it witism if you'd like. I think she's remarkably intelligent. Call it smartism if you'd like. I appreciate her tips on cocktails. Call it booze-ism for all I care.
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      • Author by New Frontier (July 13, 2010 8:44 am ET)
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        Doesn't Rachel look like Stan Laurel?
        A very typical example of what right-wingers like fairliberal think of as--not just a funny joke, but really biting and clever humor.

        Then they wonder why they have the reputation of being hateful people with no ideas.
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      • Author by bintx (July 13, 2010 9:30 am ET)
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        Not particularly, but you seem to have the intellect of Curly.
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      • Author by txthinker (July 13, 2010 9:55 am ET)
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        Doesn't Rachel look like Stan Laurel?
        Doesn't fairliberal sound like Zippy the Pinhead?
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        • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (July 13, 2010 11:43 am ET)
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          I would call that an insult to Zippy the Pinhead...
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      • Author by raddave43 (July 13, 2010 10:57 am ET)
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        No, not really.
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    • Author by GBU-15 (July 13, 2010 6:02 am ET)
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      Whaaaaaa? So instead of talking about the issue at hand you comment on Rachel's looks? The issue is is that you have one party of government that has ceased to govern. The NeanderCons are only interested in politics. To hell with the needs of the people. Teabaggers are in lockstep with this opposition even at their own peril. Obama and the Democrats are shackled to a corpse and everyone expects him to be able to govern effectively with this handicap. As bad as GWB was the Democrats did try to govern just the same and did not dig in their heels in opposition at every step. That is one of the reasons why GWB could get things "done". Both parties were at least functioning at that point. By the way Rachel is not unattractive. In fact what makes her most attractive is that she is very intelligent. Much more attractive than bleach blonde bimbos with a vacant stare!
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    • Author by David2012 (July 13, 2010 7:31 am ET)
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      That Richard Lugar (R-Ind) can be cited as a moderate Republican because he knows that sentences contain a noun and a verb and doesn't froth at the mouth tells you all you need to know about the party of the Confederacy.
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      • Author by bintx (July 13, 2010 9:32 am ET)
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        Lugar is one of the conservatives I respect. I also had a great deal of respect for Chuck Hagel and would have voted for him as president in a heartbeat. He is one of the Republicans who doesn't recognize the Republican Party any longer.
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        • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (July 13, 2010 11:46 am ET)
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          He is one of the Republicans who doesn't recognize the Republican Party any longer

          Well, considering that the Confederate Party (all props to David above) doesn't recognize them either...
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      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (July 13, 2010 11:45 am ET)
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        the party of the Confederacy

        Multiple thumbs-up alert! Perfectly put...
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