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What happens when Gretchen Carlson stays home -- a host pushes back on misinformation

Camarota notes nonpartisan CBO estimated that stimulus significantly raised employment

July 16, 2010 8:31 am ET

From the July 16 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

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Previously:

Fox & Friends' crack investigative team exposes CBO's use of economic modeling

Fox confuses "bailout" with "stimulus" and declares the stimulus "didn't work"

Do media really think Obama promised stimulus alone would fill 8 million-job hole?

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 16, 2010 8:36 am ET)
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      So...did the CBO use a computer model or head counting? And from where does Varney derive his numbers about job losses which he declares are "fact"?
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      • Author by nerzog (July 16, 2010 8:39 am ET)
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        It doesn't matter. Bullsh*t talking points are so much more effective when delivered with a British Accent.
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      • Author by eyesore (July 16, 2010 10:04 am ET)
           
        Doesn't matter they report you decide.
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      • Author by DellDolly (July 16, 2010 11:44 am ET)
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        There's a 56 page PDF file that discusses the methods that Romer uses to figure out the ranges for her numbers. It's pretty scientific and based upon reasonable assumptions and historical numbers.
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    • Author by nerzog (July 16, 2010 8:38 am ET)
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      Oh, wait... you're right... that's not Retchin. I almost didn't notice...

      [http://www.shopequip.co.uk/admin/uploads/hos2201fl_400.jpg]
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    • Author by wookie (July 16, 2010 8:53 am ET)
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      So how do they decide that the CBO's numbers are all theory but "what the voters believe" is fact?
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      • Author by ojnabieoot (July 16, 2010 8:55 am ET)
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        It's the same thought process used in analyzing climate change.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (July 16, 2010 8:56 am ET)
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        But Varney never actually said the CBO numbers were theory...he said the White House numbers were theory. Hmmmmmm...
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    • Author by ojnabieoot (July 16, 2010 8:55 am ET)
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      *ACTUAL INFORMATION BREACH*
      *ACTUAL INFORMATION BREACH*
      *DANGER* *DANGER* *DANGER*
      *FACTS NOT FITTING AGENDA*

      Fortunately, Varney jumps in just in time to claim that the CBO is wrong because they used a computer model. Sure, it's untrue and a crappy argument besides, but at least it gets the Fox train back on track.
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    • Author by timesthree (July 16, 2010 10:06 am ET)
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      You won't see her on F&F again.
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    • Author by michaelr (July 16, 2010 10:07 am ET)
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      I love the graphic at the bottom: "Who's ruining the economy?" Nice close ended question, like, "have you stopped raping yet?"

      Fox is always keen to blabber about the traditions established in the bible or the constitution, I guess the traditions of a responsible free press aren't important to them.
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    • Author by roxtheboat (July 16, 2010 10:14 am ET)
         
      These folks never fail in the misinformation campaigns. I'm amazed that they're ratings are so high. Don't people understand that they're not a real news org?
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    • Author by blueline99 (July 16, 2010 10:25 am ET)
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      I've said this before and I'll say it again. If the right is touting that the Stimulus plan was a total failure, than they are admitting that the largest tax cut in this nation's history ($287 Billion over 2 years) did nothing to stimulate the economy.

      They always seem to conveniently forget that when the stimulus was passed, the only thing that went into effect immediately were the tax cuts.
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    • Author by eglot (July 16, 2010 11:31 am ET)
         
      What makes this so hilarious is that this was a poll taken by Fixed News viewers. Of course they're going to say certain things because the sheep only believe what they tell them to believe. Thank goodness Allison suddenly had a moment of clarity; I'm sure it was just a moment since she had Doocy and Kilmeade to rein her in...
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    • Author by DellDolly (July 16, 2010 11:41 am ET)
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      Stuart Varney has been proven to be a doofus, and since when should we rely upon public polling to make determinations of fact?

      As the substitute host documents, even the non-partison CBO says that millions of jobs have been created, and so the ONLY conclusion that one can come to is that the majority of the public is badly misinformed/uninformed on the number of jobs that have been created.

      And one of the reasons they're misinformed is because of the distortions, dishonesty and omission of relevant info that is FoxNews' stock in trade!

      And this fool thinks he can assert as FACT that a certain number of jobs have been LOST, but that Romer can't use similar analysis to figure out how many jobs were saved and created?

      But FoxNews' listeners will believe him.

      Too bad for our nation that they are so dedicated to being the opposition party that they oppose reality-based reporting and are willing to poison our national debate in such a disastrous way.
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    • Author by LKL (July 16, 2010 6:10 pm ET)
         
      What kind of poll uses the categories "some" and "a few"? What does that even mean? Which is more - some or a few?
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      • Author by John Paradox (July 16, 2010 6:13 pm ET)
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        That's like what I used to chuckle over on weather forecasts.
        Is "Partly Cloudy" the same as "Mostly Sunny"?
        Is "partly sunny" the same as 'mostly cloudy'?
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        • Author by LKL (July 16, 2010 6:37 pm ET)
             
          :)

          But wait, don't you live in Arizona? As I recall, the weather forecast there is pretty much always "sunny and hot."
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    • Author by ProgLib (July 16, 2010 7:51 pm ET)
         
      Just because voters don't believe something, that doesn't make it untrue or wrong. That's what the voters think based on the propaganda they choose to receive in opposition to the facts.
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