Still not looking very hard: Crowley says, "I have not seen a shred of evidence" to show that the tea party is racist
July 16, 2010 8:57 pm ET
From the July 16 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
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Hey, Marty; they have this wonderful new invention called teh Google -- you should try it sometime . . .
I have been to several Tea Party gatherings locally. The crowd is more diverse than I expected. And with all the technology available to capture images, sound and video, there seems to be a dearth of evidence of racism at the Tea Party Rallies. One had an American of black african heritage as a highlighted speaker and was attended by over 2000 people.
Speaking truth to/about progressives with a shout out to Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, demonstrating the intellectual strength of the democrat party!
well ya know what BELIEVE it. cause it happened. just because you wanna stick your fingers in your ears and ignore racists people in something you support doesnt mean its not there.
by the way....how's your buddy billy roper....ya know the teabagger write in candidate for AR gov...........you know your buddy that well.......came out and said he doesnt want any non whites in the country............no racism with the teabaggers eh?
hey hows mark williams and his "joke"
like rush and his "joke"
how much more of your soul are you willing to sell....seriously
You're making a risky assumption that proudconartist even has a soul...
Jedi, that seems to be the "debate tactic" proudconservative is sticking with, with a few other moves added in. Along with pretending that nothing exists that he doesn't want to exist, he's going with " those pictures aren't from an official Tea party site" (duh), " One black guy erases all of the racism", and the tired talking points that racism is noticed as a way to avoid talking about issues, a classic, and one of my personal favorites.
He's also throwing in the bit about the lack of incriminating evidence provided by teabaggers against teabaggers. I like that one too.
And I dislike the socialist bent that this president has and dislike the destructive path he, and progressives, continue to take this great land of ours down.
I was more than happy to show that the study compared oranges (control group of charter school students) with better oranges (treatment group of vouchered students in private schools). The leftys would have had readers believe that regular schools were almost as good as schools chosen by parents, that was the false information. And the democrat party was more than happy to allow the falsehood in order to protect teacher unions at the expense of inner city kids having hope by shutting the program down. Be proud of that!
Now any evidence on this alleged racism by Tea Party?
Nope not a shred of evidence conman
Read the whole report, specifically chapter 2...move on.
PS It's pretty lame to link to your previous postings as 'evidence'.
And again you fail, from the report that you posted
Chapter two that you so foolesly pointed out had a break down of where the students attended school in 2008-2009:
So again conman, you are a LIAR!!!
Unless PC is as completely delusional as he seems to be, I'll bet he wishes he'd given up both of these a lot earlier than he did.
Here and its named Mark Williams
And that is without counting the hundreds of racist siogns displyed at the "tea parties".
Sure, and his policies have certainly made things so much better.
Republican's that in Hoover's case, was all about government intervention in the economy to its detriment followed by FDR's progressivism on steroids and in 2000's, the Republicans spending like the leftys, not having the guts to shut down fannie and freddie, to the economy's detriment and followed by a progressive who has brought us to the brink of destruction, only to be averted by the retaking of America in November 2010.
Now, where's all this racism evidence about the Tea Party, you know what the thread is all about?
http://pwtenny.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/16/4689746-tea-party-candidate-i-dont-want-non-whites-in-my-country-in-any-form-or-fashion-or-any-status
You really should read this book. Describes your NON-CONSERVATIVE blatherings to a T.
And everyone knows that the Tea Party Web site would have posted pictures of any racist signs at their rallies had there been any.
Get on it democrat party members!
Hm -- well, let's start with the fact that they were signs being HELD UP BY TEA PARTIERS THEMSELVES.
'K?
Tea Party candidate: "I don't want non-whites in my country in any form or fashion or any status"
As to your link, the guy did explain that when the TPers say that they "Want Their Country Back!" it's a direct reference to wanting an all white America.
It must be an awful existence to hate everyone who doesn't look/think/love like one's self.
And that link has one nutjob's opinion of what he claims wanting his country back means. Do others agree with him? I'm sure some do. But there is really no proof it's the opinion of everyone involved in the Tea Party.
I've stated my opinion. Fight with yourself, I'm heading to bed.
In the long run a teabagger debacle in November would be extremely beneficial to the Republican party--almost as big as if they ran, say, Palin/Bachmann in 2012 and lost 40 states. After such debacles, the teabag fringe would have shown their cards and been cleaned out, allowing the saner elements of the party to regain at least some control of things...
Others may disagree, but I strongly believe that if John Edwards had been elected president, even assuming his affair never came to light, that the far-right would be acting pretty much the same way, probably more so if it had been Al Gore. Look at how they reacted to president Clinton, and the right-wing media is even more entrenched now than it was then. To insist that the authoritarian right has any particular hatred toward Obama is to ignore the way they treat every major democratic politician. We liberals actually give the right a break when we insist that it's only Obama they've reacted to with such rabid hate.
It requires very little thought to dismiss teapartiers as racists, which may be part of the appeal of such attacks. That doesn't make very much sense to me because there is so much besides race to criticize the tea party for, since it is by and large an attempt by the most rabid republicans to re-brand themselves after the severe tarnishing the republican brand has taken in the last five years.
I don't hear many people saying that the Teabaggers are all racists, or that it's the primary driving force behind the movement.
It has been pretty well documented, however, that there is a good amount of racism in the movement.
Crowley, somebody in the news business, and appearing on a pretend news channel that is essentially a partner in the tea party movement , is insisting she hasn't seen a shred of evidence of racism in the tea party.
What the right wingers are trying to change the subject to is " nobody can prove that every teabagger is a racist".
On a thread this very day, Nerzog, a poster I generally enjoy reading, posted a picture of a coin from nazi-era Germany and wrote "teabagger currency" above it. I have repeatedly seen posters suggest that the republicans have been driven crazy by a black president. Hello, they were already crazy! That's the kind of stuff that makes me cringe. I mean, I know we're all on the same team, but our imaginations are really running wild when it comes to the secret racism of those on the right.
I've seen at least a couple of non-white TP supporters, and I'm sure many white TPers are upset about other things that have nothing to do with race. The movement, however does seem attractive to, and accomodating of, those who do have racist tendencies.
Admittedly, some of it's subjective, as most people know they can't say things openly in 2010 that they could have got away with 50 or 60 years ago. The words coming out of peoples' mouths are often coded, whether deliberately, or subconsciously.
You're right, it is probably self-defeating to say the Tea Party movement is all about racism, but it's still interesting to see how much documented racism there is, and to see Fox, right wing radio, and internet posters pretending to be blind to it.
I have written here more than once that the often brutal treatment President Bill Clinton received from the Right is not much different than what Obama is facing from the same cast of characters. To attribute every criticism, fair or unfair, to President Obama's race is ridiculous. The hatred spewed by some on the Right would be there for any Prez on the Left.
And had either Edwards or Hillary Clinton been elected they would also have been under attack by the Right.
Had MMFA been up & running during the Clinton years, I think we'd have seen just as many threads highlighting mis-information, & attacks.
Dismissing the entire Tea Party as a racist organization is not all that different than claiming ALL Muslims are terrorists.
Anyway, IS, I did want to thank you again for your fair & reasonable post. I don't post here too often anymore because it gets harder & harder to have a civil discussion/debate with many on the Left here, so I'm appreciative when I find there are folks like you still around. This place used to be so much better years ago.
Fox pretending there are no bigots among the Tea Party movement is a blatant lie of course, but there are many on the forum [and media] that suggest the entire Tea Party is racist. Another blatant lie.
And as you pointed out in your post to Colonel Andy Kreiss, some here go ridiculously overboard falsely claiming the entire Tea Party, or for that matter all Conservatives are racists. I thank you for speaking out on that as well.
but here is the thing though.........if what you say about, any democratic president getting brutalized in this fashion, then doesn't that mean there is something inherently wrong with the Right?
You're generalizing here Jed. A real pet peeve of mine about some posters here. Certainly the usual suspects, Limbaugh, Hannity etc, fall into that category of what is inherently wrong with SOME on the Right, but must you condemn all Conservatives?
And certainly "birtherism" would not have been an issue had Edwards or Clinton been elected, but I'm sure something unique to each would have been in play.
You know many on the Left attacked Bush pretty much 24/7, of course he was an easy target because he was so wrong so often. But I don't believe either side treads lightly or politely around each other. It's the nature of both beasts, Cons & Libs, to attack each other.
now would i like to see more republicans like yourself.....hands down yes. problem is you are a minority. very much like myself. we sit in the minority. that used to not be the case. but we let the loudmouths go and do as they wish. there is a difference between attacking and disagreeing. the right is out of control and only cares about opposing everything! thats all they do and all they have got. peter king admittited they wont roll out any ideas of their own because they are afraid of being questioned on it.
I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with Jeter2 and say that yes, I think there is something inherently wrong with today's far right that goes beyond simple partisanship. That was one of the points of my original post. There's nothing inherently with Jeter2, as far I know, but the modern right has some unsettling traits. It sounds like tribalism to say that, but I feel it's an objective observation.
Hi Jeter. You've used some variation of this several times on this thread. I'm not saying that nobody has ever said that the Tea party is 100% racist, but I don't see anybody here saying it, and I can't recall anybody prominent saying it.
You're one of the few reasonable wingnuts( especially considering your dual afflictions of conservative and Yankee fan) who posts here, please don't go with the same strawmen the second stringers resort to.
Crowley is saying she doesn't see a shred of evidence. Do you think she's implying that there needs to be evidence showing the TP to be entirely racist, or does it seem more likely she's trying to deny the existence of the noted racist element in the movement?
BTW, condolences on the recent losses in your organization. I know sometimes people who are part of an institution can become part of your life, even if you don't know them personally. I know it's gonna hit me when Vin Scully goes ( yeah, I was born a Brooklyn Bums fan before moving behind the Orange Curtain, and I still like hearing ol' Vinny's voice, it takes me back to my rugrat years)
From the same blog site....
Unfortunately, you're the only one that had access to that process, and a team of scientists would have had to have been linked in with some sort of brain-cable and deciphering device to make any sense of it. I guess the world will never know.
I would call it a search for evidence, which has not been provided to support your statement that the Tea Party is racist or driven by racism.
I linked to something that you, yourself overlooked that would make my statement true. I found that to be.....fascinating! My brain found searching for evidence, posting it and asking you for a response that demonstrated relevancy and coherency to your posting worthy of deciphering!
Now, be a good boy and get that 'itty bitty' evidence of racism so others can be fascinated too!
Specifically stated he was in the Tea Party, no where near getting support for his racist Nationalism Party from Tea Party.
Leiberman says he's still a democrat but don't tell that to the leftys in Conn.!
just because he isnt getting open back from the tebagger organizations doesn't mean he isn't one of them.
you wanna split hairs be my guest.
oh and by the way......ive taken great pains not to call you any names, i have in the past, im trying to change that........i see you obviously have no such inhabilitions.
the guy said he was a tea partier....what thats enough?
Let's start here;
To what does the pronoun "it" refer here ? You're like a toddler who walks into the room asking daddy why that thing that he's thinking about is blue. This seems to be a common problem with the self-centered right wing mind.
Once you've explained what this "it" is that you're calling a search for evidence, can you copy my quote that says the tea party is "racist or driven by racism"?
and,please, have somebody sober look over your post before you hit save.
Thanks !
ps: "andrewcriesalot"... that is so clever !
Try to find two synapses to rub together and follow along.
You posted
in response to my own posting
I questioned whether someone wanting to have Tea Party is actually getting support from the Tea Party. I then linked to an article, from the same blogsite that refuted evidence of racism in the Tea Party. That is the IT you were searching for!!
I apologize for attributing the idea of you stating that the Tea Party 'was racist or driven by racism'. As I reviewed your posting actually, nothing of substance was contained in your writings. And I recognize its continued presence in the second one as well!
Now, follow the bouncing ball and attempt to prove that Ms. Crowley's statement is incorrect that no evidence exists of racism in the Tea Party.
and that is the problem.
See conman, that is what happens when you try to get your news from a blogger.
I'll substitute this for "it".
Still gibberish, but let's try to make some sense of your rantings. The article you linked to is a search for evidence, according to you, that refutes evidence of racism among teabaggers..
Here's what we have so far; Crowley insists she can't see a shred of evidence of racism.
I link to yet another example of a racist teabagger, added to the piles of already documented examples. Crowley is shown to be objectively dishonest or ignorant.
And you link to a blogger claiming to be a black teabagger, thinking this "refutes" all previous evidence.
Astounding.
I realize it was FRiday night, and you may have been doing some "Happy hour posting", but I hope you get a chance to re-read some of your babbling with a clear(er) mind.
You found something non-existent, then noticed its continued presence. Delightfully nutty.
Ummm, that little task was successfully completed before you even posted on this thread. In fact, Ms. Crowley can't be called incorrect, as she didn't claim that no racism exists in the Tea party, only that she is ignorant of it. This is disturbing that somebody in the news business can claim to be unaware of something so well documented. Almost as disturbing as your ability to ignore every bit presented here, or think that one black teabagger "refutes" all of the evidence.
Of course, this is all pretty irrelevant, as you've admitted that your earlier claim about me was a lie, or at least the product of your confusion. Apology accepted on that count, and looking forward to your apology for your other mistakes here.
by bintx (July 16, 2010 7:08 pm ET)
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Author by bee1cee2 (July 16, 2010 7:15 pm ET)
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Liar times 2!!!!!1!
by bee1cee2 (July 16, 2010 5:52 pm ET)*[two hours before the above post]
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Consider this the last time that I ever exhaust any energy to even acknowledge your existence. After this message you will be invisible to me because of your lies about me making rude obscene comments about you or to you. Nice try but mission failure on your part.
or,of course, the start of it all....
by bee1cee2 (July 07, 2010 6:01 pm ET)
No I will pass but thanks for the offer of oral sex bintx. Maybe later if you are still on your knees.
I just saw this gem today and I'd like to know how that little punk is still allowed to post after typing that stuff?
Unless someone hits Report Abuse, the moderator might miss it. Not sure they even go through the threads to check what is being posted.
I'm figuring MMFA has maybe gotten a tad lax & is simply letting stuff go that they used to delete.
Do Republicans ever say they're sorry - except when they're caught with someone's wife or son ?