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St. Petersburg Times' Deggans: "The scary person of color" is "at the heart of a lot" of Fox News stories

July 22, 2010 5:07 pm ET

From the July 22 edition of CNN's Rick's List:

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    • Author by Dem02020 (July 22, 2010 5:11 pm ET)
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      It's also at the heart of at least a couple of Clint Eastwood movies.

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      • Author by Dem02020 (July 22, 2010 6:46 pm ET)
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        I made that comment from the title to the item alone, w/o watching the video, as what I thought was maybe a wry but true observation about movies and television in general, and how they not only stereotype all groups, gays Asians teens the elderly Hispanics women, you name them and television stereotypes them, but African-Americans in particular and mostly in a terribly negative way, like for example in Clint Eastwood's "Dirty Harry" and in other movies of his.

        But I just now watched the video and I don't get it... what was Sanchez getting at by referring to "Fox's target audience", was he or was he not referring to or admitting that Fox television news has been obsessed of late with video clips that show African-Americans in a very negative way?

        He himself listed several examples, and then strangely asks what do they all have in common... and the question was so foolish for it's obvious answer that Deggans laughed at it, but Sanchez then said no no I'm serious.

        What was that supposed to mean, does Sanchez think that Fox television news is obsessed with showing video of blacks in a negative light or not?

        And if so (and how can he not think it so if he himself listed all the evidential examples of these videos), if so then what was the strange question about "Fox's target audience" supposed to imply?

        Here's what I mean, if because Fox's audience is mostly white, does that mean it's OK to obsess over blacks in a negative way, and keeping repeatedly running video of people saying or doing strange and even wrong things, and those people are always for some reason black, and in the most recent example the video in truth contained nothing strange or wrong, but so what they edited it to appear bad anyway... this is all OK, because Fox's audience is white, is that what Sanchez was saying?

        I don't get it and I can't be sure, it seems strange, it's seems almost like he's saying it's OK what the Ku Klux Klan does because their target audience is also white (I know that's an example excessive in degree, but still the same in kind), it's OK to bash someone or stereotype them, as long as that's what your audience does, if your audience hates or fears or suspects minorities, then that's your target, you program to your target audience... was that Sanchez's point?

        I don't know, I guess I should never have even listened to the video clip (all of what Deggan said made perfect sense, it was the gesturing face-making over-emphasized voice of Sanchez that confused me).

        I already know what television does when it stereotypes minorities and everyone else, and I know what Fox television news is doing of late, but Sanchez, does he know?

        Or is he simply corrupted by the industry he works in and is fabulously well paid by I'm sure.

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        • Author by Porkeater (July 23, 2010 12:11 am ET)
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          Another excellent one, Dem02020.

          I think that CNN's (fake) mandate of (fake) fairness is what leads to this. It is enhanced in someone like Sanchez, who is, shall we say, not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

          As you imply, he's probably insulated by money and celebrity. His bosses say: "tell both sides!" And he thinks he is doing his job - and the country a service - by playing this strained equanimity schtick that makes CNN so bland, and so misinforming.
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        • Author by Andy Kreiss (July 23, 2010 9:26 am ET)
             
          I wasn't able to hear the audio until today, and that really is bizarre. You and Porkeater are dead on, it's the strange new world of "fairness" where a false equivalence is made between lying to stir up racist emotions and simply targeting a certain demographic.
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    • Author by YouDontMeanThat (July 22, 2010 5:12 pm ET)
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      Think that's a very accurate description. Two Black Panther members in full uniform, one holding a baton, qualifies for "the scary black man thing".
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      • Author by soze169880 (July 22, 2010 5:20 pm ET)
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        Oooooh! A baton! Scary! Almost as scary as that threatening, blackity-black way he left when they told him to leave!
        GOD, you people are pu$$es.
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        • Author by YouDontMeanThat (July 22, 2010 5:26 pm ET)
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          Well, us typical white people like Oboma's grandmother, we move to the opposite side of the street when we are faced with a black man coming toward us.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (July 22, 2010 5:20 pm ET)
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        I wasn't afraid. Were you...or would you have been afraid had you been there?
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        • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (July 22, 2010 5:51 pm ET)
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          Probably would have p!ssed his(?) pants just seeing the beret on the head of the Big Scary Black Man(tm)...
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      • Author by bintx (July 22, 2010 5:32 pm ET)
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        You are aware, right, that those two members of the New Black Panther Party for Self Defense (not to be confused with the LONG defunct Black Panther Party) were in a predominately black precinct and no one ever complained about them, right? That's why the Bush DOJ didn't file criminal charges against them. No evidence whatsoever of intimidation.

        Are you also aware that the one holding the stick was not a supporter of Obama, in fact, he had made the statement that he didn't want Obama to win and that he hated the "white" part of Obama just as much as he hated every other white person. See, you're making the assumption that he was a supporter of Obama based solely on the color of his skin. Pretty stereotypical and racist, don't you think?

        There were only 13 votes cast in that district for anyone else besides Obama, so it appears that no one was kept from voting for the scary black man's apparent candidate of choice, John McCain.

        Lord, inform yourself.
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        • Author by bintx (July 22, 2010 5:36 pm ET)
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          Shabazz on Barack Obama and voting:
          "He's a puppet on a string. I don’t support no black man running for
          white politics. I will not vote for who will be the next slavemaster."
          Besides, he added, Obama is "a Negro who doesn't even support
          reparations for black people in America."
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        • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (July 22, 2010 5:53 pm ET)
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          Are you also aware that the one holding the stick was not a supporter of Obama, in fact, he had made the statement that he didn't want Obama to win and that he hated the "white" part of Obama just as much as he hated every other white person.

          Doesn't matter to IDontMeanAnything, b; the NBP man is black, Obama is black, and that's all he(?) needs to know...
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      • Author by Andy Kreiss (July 22, 2010 7:09 pm ET)
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        YOUDONTMEANTHAT, LOOK OUT !!!!

        [http://majorlyenglish.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/baton-bob.jpg]
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        • Author by John Paradox (July 22, 2010 7:45 pm ET)
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          Kinda reminds me of Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds

          [http://apenotes.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/lamar1-1.jpg]
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    • Author by mary59 (July 22, 2010 5:12 pm ET)
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      I think he must have watched Rachel Maddow's show last night.
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    • Author by richardsimones (July 22, 2010 5:13 pm ET)
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      He owes an apology to the straw man he killed in this argument, that straw man had a straw wife and straw kids. You should be ashamed.
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      • Author by richardsimones (July 22, 2010 5:23 pm ET)
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        This place is like a third reich for straw men. I'm going to start the first political movement to help the real victims in our society, the straw men.
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        • Author by cugagcmu805031 (July 22, 2010 5:29 pm ET)
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          It's also a place where people who have problems facing reality show up rather often to try to sell their version of reality, find no buyers, and get very upset when they don't.

          This is a community of independent thinkers.
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          • Author by richardsimones (July 22, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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            But still a third reich for straw men too.
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            • Author by bintx (July 22, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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              No, just when you appear.
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              • Author by richardsimones (July 22, 2010 5:38 pm ET)
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                If wit were air conditioning you would blow me during the summer.
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                • Author by bintx (July 22, 2010 5:39 pm ET)
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                  Reported. Obscene content.
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                  • Author by christopher howard (July 22, 2010 5:45 pm ET)
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                    Ha! Multiple evoking of the Third Reich and you're the one complaining about strawmen?
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                    • Author by richardsimones (July 22, 2010 5:46 pm ET)
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                      ... and now you get the joke. 1.. 2.... 3.... OH I GET IT
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                      • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2010 5:49 pm ET)
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                        More proof that Troglodytes can't do humor.
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                        • Author by richardsimones (July 22, 2010 5:51 pm ET)
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                          Find a new word, at least a third of your comments include that word, the internet has a free thesaurus.
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                          • Author by christopher howard (July 22, 2010 5:55 pm ET)
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                            The joke? Ah, yes. You.
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                          • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2010 6:01 pm ET)
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                            You prefer Neanderthal? Luddite? Dumbass?

                            You pick.
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                          • Author by MidnightWriter (July 22, 2010 6:24 pm ET)
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                            But it's such a good word, Bob.

                            Just because you find it necessary to roll with alternative identities, don't fault other for sticking with the things that work.
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                  • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (July 22, 2010 5:55 pm ET)
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                    By me too, b...
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                  • Author by John Paradox (July 22, 2010 6:52 pm ET)
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                    Oh, boy! another link and quote for my 'teabaggers' notes!
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                • Author by mata ruach (July 22, 2010 6:34 pm ET)
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                  If obscenity is the best you can come up with, go away. Reported.
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        • Author by bintx (July 22, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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          Only when you show up.
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      • Author by DAWUSS (July 22, 2010 5:46 pm ET)
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        That gets a thumbs up for making me laugh. I gotta' remember that one.
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      • Author by Andy Kreiss (July 23, 2010 9:31 am ET)
           
        He owes an apology to the straw man he killed in this argument


        I don't see any strawmen. Sanchez makes a false equivalence, but if you can be specific and point out the strawman you're talking about, I'm interested in where you see that fallacy.

        I assume you're talking about Sanchez. When commenting on a clip of two men talking, starting out with a pronoun isn't the clearest way to get your point across, especially when you leave the rest of your comment this fuzzy.

        You may be confused about the meaning of the term "strawman". Same with "joke".
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    • Author by Porkeater (July 22, 2010 5:14 pm ET)
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      Well, he's quite right, and folk should start saying so. I watched this on tv and what i found irritating was Sanchez's continual grasps and grabs at "fairness".

      It doesn't appear relevant to CNN that sometimes, one side is just wrong, wrong, wrong.
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      • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2010 5:17 pm ET)
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        That bogus "Both sides do it" myth keeps blurting out of their mouths, almost like a reflex action. Old habits die hard, I guess.
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      • Author by Bongo Fury (July 22, 2010 5:25 pm ET)
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        I suggest that CNN trades Rick Sanchez for Fox's Shep Smith and an intern to be named later.Sanchez is a hack that Fox can get behind.He throws "fairness" around,but is not objective.
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    • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2010 5:14 pm ET)
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      [http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID5716/images/touchdown.jpg]
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    • Author by What Happened to Gannon (July 22, 2010 5:21 pm ET)
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      And to the neandrocons, the scariest "Person of Color" is "President Black Man".
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (July 22, 2010 5:21 pm ET)
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      If there isn't a scary black man available, any other minority is a good substitute. I am sure they they would love to find a big black gay man. That would be like a grand slam home run for Fox!
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      • Author by Porkeater (July 22, 2010 5:49 pm ET)
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        I think a gay black woman from Latin America would hit the spot. If she was married to an asian socialist, all the better. And if she was disabled ...
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      • Author by Andy Kreiss (July 22, 2010 7:18 pm ET)
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        rw, I think I found the baton-wielder of their nightmares (above)
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    • Author by txthinker (July 22, 2010 5:23 pm ET)
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      St. Petersburg Times' Deggans: "The scary person of color" is "at the heart of a lot" of Fox News stories
      Gee - I haven't heard them mention Star Jones in months....

      [http://ll-media.tmz.com/2007/08/22/0822_star_jones_wireimage-1.jpg]
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (July 22, 2010 5:26 pm ET)
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      Call it what it is. The non-news network is waging a full fledged campaign to make its' viewers feel that they have to be afraid of President Obama because he identifies himself as African American.

      If McCain had won the election, waging this campaign would have never entered Ailes' mind.
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 22, 2010 5:39 pm ET)
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        and Mrs McCain ( Cindy ) would be Sturgis Beauty Queen for life.
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    • Author by David2012 (July 22, 2010 5:31 pm ET)
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      The sad part is that this is actually news to a lot of people.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 22, 2010 5:36 pm ET)
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      NFL comissioner Roger Goodell doesn't seem to have a problem with " people of color ". Target audience ? people who are thrilled by looking at leggy blondes and graphics. And rogerAiles said he is only interested in ratings.
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