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Beck again brands "collective salvation" "demonic"

July 28, 2010 11:50 am ET

From the July 28 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:

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Previously:

Beck: "As I read collective salvation, that's from the other side. That ain't from God. That is demonic"

Beck says progressives "don't have [God] on their side," then suggests "collective salvation" is "demonic"

Beck again preaches about "collective salvation," claiming it can "lead to genocide"

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    • Author by nerzog (July 28, 2010 11:51 am ET)
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      According to whom?
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      • Author by epkklk851 (July 28, 2010 12:07 pm ET)
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        Glennie is confusing Liberation Theology with "collective salvation". I have no idea what he's going on about with "collective salvation" but I am quite sure he is just telling another lie.
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      • Author by markbfoot199 (July 28, 2010 12:16 pm ET)
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        Pope Benedict XVI (Author)
        Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes, not divine, but demonic."
        - Truth and Tolerance; p. 116
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        • Author by soze169880 (July 28, 2010 12:20 pm ET)
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          That's great, footsie, except
          A) Obama never made any reference to religious salvation through politics
          b) Neither you nor Beck had any issue with George Bush using his office to promote his own right-wing Christian agenda
          and
          C) Benedict XVI hearts pedophiles.
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        • Author by bintx (July 28, 2010 12:25 pm ET)
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          Ah, but that has nothing to do with what Obama said, groupie.
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          • Author by John Paradox (July 28, 2010 2:13 pm ET)
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            But but but but....
            1) it uses the word 'politics'
            2) it uses the word 'demonic'
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    • Author by epkklk851 (July 28, 2010 11:51 am ET)
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      Glennie wouldn't know demonic if he bit it on the bum, which I think he might have done and thought he'd been talking to God.
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    • Author by DAWUSS (July 28, 2010 11:52 am ET)
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      Jesus says that buying gold from a source other than Goldline is a sin.

      /snark
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      • Author by carlh (July 28, 2010 1:23 pm ET)
           
        Actually that's a great analogy, considering the Lord kicked the moneychangers out of the temple because they were exchanging and charging at exorbitant markups sums of money for the purpose of purchasing sacrifices to be offered at the temple itself.

        Run on sentence, yes, but suffice it to say that God doesn't like businessmen taking advantage of buyers.
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    • Author by soze169880 (July 28, 2010 11:53 am ET)
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      Like you believe Indians are demonic, or a different kind of demonic?
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    • Author by Camera (July 28, 2010 11:56 am ET)
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      Sociopath.
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    • Author by nerzog (July 28, 2010 11:56 am ET)
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      But, Collective Damnation... that's a very Christian concept, right, Nostradumbass?

      [http://www.hieronymus-bosch.org/The-Last-Judgement-(1).jpg]
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    • Author by usp (July 28, 2010 11:59 am ET)
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      ugh! It must be time for the glenn beck radio hour...!
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    • Author by bintx (July 28, 2010 12:02 pm ET)
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      Okay, "collective salvation" is a Jewish belief . . . . they believe in the "collective salvation" of the nation of Israel. So, Beck, are you, once again, attacking Judaism?

      Criminy, you're a uneducated, dishonest, racist, anti-Semitic sociopath. The folks who believe a single thing that comes out of your lying mouth should have their "collective" head examined. They are as warped as you are.
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      • Author by soze169880 (July 28, 2010 12:06 pm ET)
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        How DARE you?! He loves The Jew, which is why he refers to them collectively as The Jew at every possible opportunity, and has promoted two books by anti-Semites in a row! (Sorry, trolls, but as a guy who thinks Hitler was God's instrument, John Hagee's an anti-Semite; doesn't matter how pro-Zionist he is)
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        • Author by nerzog (July 28, 2010 12:13 pm ET)
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          Hagee the Hut is a delusional nutbag. He's got a one-hour infomercial running on the Religious channels hawking his new book, Can America Survive?

          During the show he reiterates the claim that Israel was given to the Jews 3500 years ago, and that God will curse anyone who opposes them.

          The scary part is that the "Biblical boundaries" of Israel also include parts of other modern countries. According to Hagee, these must be returned to Israel so that Jesus can come back.

          So, imagine the Middle Eastern policies of a Troglodyte President like Sarah Palin...
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          • Author by soze169880 (July 28, 2010 12:15 pm ET)
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            "Which brown people should we bomb?"
            "All of 'em!"
            The bright side is, if the generals decide her policies are too dangerous, they could have a bloodless military coup simply by bringing something shiny.
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          • Author by bintx (July 28, 2010 12:26 pm ET)
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            Palin shares Hagee's religious beliefs.
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        • Author by markbfoot199 (July 28, 2010 12:31 pm ET)
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          http://www.chosenpeople.com/main/index.php/jewish-roots/248-salvation-as-interpreted-by-judaism
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          • Author by soze169880 (July 28, 2010 12:33 pm ET)
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            I know you think you're posting a devastating retort, but the very fact that the URL refers to Jewish people as "the chosen people" proves the "collective" thing. And for the last time, Obama was not referring to religious salvation. If you have any intellectual honesty whatsoever, you'll acknowledge this.
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          • Author by bintx (July 28, 2010 12:39 pm ET)
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            And, groupie? Collective salvation of the nation of Israel is a tenet of Judaism.
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          • Author by bintx (July 28, 2010 12:40 pm ET)
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            Do a bit of reading in this 1947 tome.
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          • Author by bintx (July 28, 2010 12:43 pm ET)
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            Posted too quickly.

            FYI, Cardinal Henri de Lubac, the author of the link I posted above is the person who originated the term "collective salvation." So, I guess Beck is calling the Cardinal a demon, right?

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    • Author by Camera (July 28, 2010 12:02 pm ET)
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      What ever happened to that invitation from Jim Wallis to have an on-air conversation? Coward. Moron!
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      • Author by John Paradox (July 28, 2010 2:16 pm ET)
           
        Same as:
        Hannity's waterboarding
        M. SavageWeiner's 'expose' of MMFA
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    • Author by nerzog (July 28, 2010 12:07 pm ET)
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      And, it should be noted that, in the speech from which this quote comes, Obama was not talking about religious salvation.

      Of course, to the Evangelical Troglodyte, there is no other kind, so I guess it's a natural mistake.
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    • Author by Camera (July 28, 2010 12:10 pm ET)
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      Forget "sociopath." The diagnosis is more like psychotic.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 28, 2010 12:12 pm ET)
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      So...now Glenn Beck is an expert on demons, too?

      Another possible explanation is that Glenn Beck is psychotic.
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      • Author by usp (July 28, 2010 12:18 pm ET)
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        psychotic demon. i'm going to form a punk group. i know the name now. thanks I101
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    • Author by MidnightWriter (July 28, 2010 12:13 pm ET)
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      Well, the Pope didn't exactly say that, now did he, Glenny.

      The then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger wrote a book (and that is to say, he actually wrote it unlike you) called Truth and Tolerance. And the actual quote was and is . . .

      "Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes not divine, but demonic."

      I'll confess I haven't read this book--and since you can't offer an accurate quote I'm betting you haven't either--but I see this more of a warning against a political states who try to put their role on an equal level with the work of God--much like Germany did when Ratzinger was a boy.

      This was published in 2004, by the way, when there was some other guy holding the office of President of the United States. I seem to recall he was rather outspoken about matters of faith and the role of the government.
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      • Author by soze169880 (July 28, 2010 12:18 pm ET)
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        I notice a man associated with both Nazi Germany and covering for child rapists somehow evaded Glenn's Guilt-by-Association Death Ray.
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        • Author by nerzog (July 28, 2010 12:23 pm ET)
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          Because Republicans need the Catholic vote.
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          • Author by soze169880 (July 28, 2010 12:25 pm ET)
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            Which is funny, continuing the rhetoric they use about Obama's plans for the denizens of Real America are an amped-up version of the same rhetoric about that filthy Mick Papist JFK's plans for them.
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    • Author by David2012 (July 28, 2010 12:13 pm ET)
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      Sometimes I wonder whether Glenn is capable of thinking beyond two word slogans. The evidence is thus far not encouraging.
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    • Author by skiploader1111 (July 28, 2010 12:15 pm ET)
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      I can't wait until one day Beck calls Jesus Christ a progressive cancer on society:


      In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle;
      he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [John 2:14 & 15.] Watch out! Be on your guard against
      all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.] Truly, I say unto you, it will
      be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.] But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed,
      because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]
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      • Author by bintx (July 28, 2010 12:28 pm ET)
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        Oh, I know. It's a part of the authoritarian mindset. They say they believe things which completely controvert the values they claim to hold. They are so hung up on this mindset that they cannot see the hypocrisy and conflict.
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