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Bolling: Park51 "may be a meeting place for some of the scariest minds--some of the biggest terrorist minds"

August 19, 2010 9:51 am ET

From the August 19 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

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Morris absurdly claims Park51 will be used to "train and recruit Sharia law advocates who become terrorists"

Morris: Park51 would be a "command center for terrorism"

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    • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 9:54 am ET)
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      So, I'm assuming that, once built, it will be the location of all future Fox staff meetings?
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      • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 19, 2010 9:56 am ET)
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        I dare you to show any evidence of "minds" , especially big ones, at Fox. They may be terrorists, but it's all in the gut.

        Unless they have some secret Mastermind over there that they keep under wraps.
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      • Author by timesthree (August 19, 2010 10:13 am ET)
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        Hey bintx and Andy, you read my mind!
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    • Author by soze169880 (August 19, 2010 10:00 am ET)
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      Oh, for f-ck's sake. In a place run by Sufis? I know it's hard for your cracker asses to understand that Islam isn't completely monolithic, but Osama bin Laden probably hates Sufis more than he does Israelis or Americans.
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      • Author by progressivevoicedaily (August 19, 2010 10:05 am ET)
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        easy, I'm a cracker! No need for name calling. However, I completely agree, this plays right into Bin Laden's plan to destroy our civilization from within through fear and panic.
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        • Author by soze169880 (August 19, 2010 10:07 am ET)
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          Yeah, I'm white too, I'm just angry enough to use terminology that I know freaks them out.
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          • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 10:15 am ET)
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            I don't know about Rauf's ties to Hamas or Iran, but the point of an $18,000 tax return and a $100m structure should raise a red flag somewhere. Where did the money come from?
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            • Author by magnolialover (August 19, 2010 10:26 am ET)
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              The man didn't earn all of the money himself. Just because he makes $18k/year, doesn't mean he can't fundraise the rest.
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              • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 10:37 am ET)
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                It also doesn't mean he didn't receive it from Hamas or Iran. Conduct an investigation. No harm in that.
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                • Author by soze169880 (August 19, 2010 10:41 am ET)
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                  It also doesn't mean he didn't receive it from Hamas or Iran.

                  Ah, yes, all brown people are guilty until proven innocent. And even then they're still guilty of insensitively remaining brown even though people are offended by that.
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                  • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 10:51 am ET)
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                    Race card...Nice.

                    Dispute the point. The man filed an $18,000 tax return and is building a $100m building. He obviously has financial backing....from where is all I ask.
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                    • Author by soze169880 (August 19, 2010 10:56 am ET)
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                      Race card...Nice.

                      Oh please. This is only an issue because you people are playing the race card. That thing has become entirely your side's.
                      He obviously has financial backing....from where is all I ask.

                      I'll ask again, do you think any white Christian clergy should be similarly investigated?
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                    • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 10:59 am ET)
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                      Read my post below, dave. Our minister makes $100,000 . . . we are currently in the process of raising around $2 million for mission projects. Many of those donations are anonymous. How is our minister's salary relevant? Is the imam's income relevant only because he is Muslim? If he were a Southern Baptist like our minister, would you question him?

                      DUMB argument, dave, really, really dumb.
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                • Author by tbone (August 19, 2010 10:56 am ET)
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                  It also doesn't mean that you don't receive your income from NAMBLA. Let's conduct an investigation. No harm in that.

                  It's called guilt by association, get a clue.
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                  • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 11:49 am ET)
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                    I may receive funding from NAMBLA....but nobody would know without an investigation....you guys don't even want one. As long as it goes up, you're OK with it. No investigation, no problem.
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                • Author by New Frontier (August 19, 2010 11:04 am ET)
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                  It also doesn't mean he didn't receive it from Hamas or Iran.
                  Maybe he got one million dollars from News Corp. They've been very generous lately--at least to certain people.
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            • Author by soze169880 (August 19, 2010 10:28 am ET)
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              I don't know about Rauf's ties to Hamas or Iran

              I don't know about things that don't exist either.
              Where did the money come from?

              Your mother.
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              • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 10:32 am ET)
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                That's exactly why the funding for this should be conducted.
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                • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 10:33 am ET)
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                  Find the fundraising, find names, groups, etc. Find out how Rauf came up with 100m.
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                  • Author by soze169880 (August 19, 2010 10:38 am ET)
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                    Do you think the same should be done for everyone building a church?
                    Nah, didn't think so.
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                    • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 10:59 am ET)
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                      If the church, any church, building, etc somehow comes up with that kind of money, and says it was just a good bingo season, it should raise a red flag. Where are the receipts?
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                    • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 19, 2010 11:26 am ET)
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                      Are you familiar with the reporting requirements for nonprofits?
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                  • Author by peace4all (August 19, 2010 10:40 am ET)
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                    that's rich. you demand to know where that money comes from but god forbid we ask who is financing the opposition the the center. where is the oppositions money coming from?
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            • Author by New Frontier (August 19, 2010 10:32 am ET)
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              should raise a red flag somewhere.
              Communist. Stay out of my neighborhood. There are plenty of other places for you to live.
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            • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 10:43 am ET)
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              You know what, dave, our church is currently in the midst of a huge campaign to raise close to $2 million dollars for our missions ministry. Many of the donations coming in are anonymous, some is coming from a community foundation and the rest are coming from church members. Our minister makes about $100,000 per year, which, of course, is COMPLETELY irrelevant.

              Try again.
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              • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 10:55 am ET)
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                $2m is a long, long way from $100m.

                I'm guessing if your church came up with that kind of money, the feds would want to know, too.

                And I'm thinking you would want an investigation as to the funding of this, too. God knows, you wouldn't want this built from money from our enemies...would you?
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                • Author by soze169880 (August 19, 2010 10:57 am ET)
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                  God knows, you wouldn't want this built from money from our enemies...would you?

                  Do you think Fox News should be shut down, since they're partly owned by the same country that brought us the majority of the 9/11 hijackers?
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                  • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 11:04 am ET)
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                    Unlike you and MMFA, I don't want anybody "shut down". I just want an investigation done as to where all of this funding came from....with names.
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                    • Author by New Frontier (August 19, 2010 11:06 am ET)
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                      Unlike you and MMFA, I don't want anybody "shut down".
                      Please link to where MMFA specifically calls for anyone to be, quote, "shut down".
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                      • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 11:14 am ET)
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                        Specifically, no. MMFA just patted themselves on the back for ending Dr Laura, and post daily on sponsors that left Glenn Beck. They make no bones about getting them off of the air, in other words, shutting them down. If not, why do they bother posting sponsor links? They know it, I know it, and you are word parsing.
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                        • Author by princeofwheels (August 19, 2010 11:20 am ET)
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                          Shutting down..Dr. Laura..I thought she quit.

                          Hannity didn't quit...Limbaugh didn't quit...she quit..
                          P.S. Like that other famous woamn..Sarah Quitter.
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                        • Author by New Frontier (August 19, 2010 11:28 am ET)
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                          Dr. Laura is free to say what she wants. So is GLAAD, MMFA and the others who rightly held her sponsors accountable. Advertisers need to be aware that she has a problem with black people. They can choose to sponsor that kind of sh!t or not. Dr. Laura can choose to quit or stay. She chose to quit. Good riddance. The world doesn't need any more bigots on the airwaves.
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                        • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 11:30 am ET)
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                          Dr. Laura's big, racist mouth ended her career, dave.
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                          • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 11:42 am ET)
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                            So did Helen Thomas'. But MMFA patted themselves on the back for it, and daily run the Glenn Beck sponsor posts. They want them off of the air. If not, why do they waste their time?

                            I don't know who this Dr Laura is, and what she said was wrong, but this website is taking pride of her being "shut down".
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                            • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 11:45 am ET)
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                              Really?

                              Again, Dr. Laura's MOUTH shut her down. She QUIT.
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                            • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 11:53 am ET)
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                              You are posting false equivalencies with Helen Thomas and Dr. Laura. Helen Thomas said something stupid, after never having a record of saying anything similar. She retired with grace and didn't blame anyone for her mistake. Dr. Laura, on the other hand, had a very long history of this sort of thing. Her television program was essentially canceled before it began back in 2000 [MMFA didn't exist, then] because of her bigoted statement regarding homosexuality. She blamed everybody but herself then, too. You said you didn't know anything about this woman . . . you might want to do some research before you defend her.
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                              • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 11:59 am ET)
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                                If you can read, I didn't defend her. I simply pointed out that she and Laura said something stupid, which got recorded on tape, which led to their retirement.
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                            • Author by New Frontier (August 19, 2010 11:55 am ET)
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                              You're reading all that "taking pride" and "patting on the back" crap into a simple report that the bigot has quit. "Good riddance" is more like it. Hey--if you're sad that the bigot is gone, there are plenty more of them, unfortunately, still on the air. No shortage.

                              It's up to sponsors whether they want to sponsor a bigot like Dr. Laura or someone like Beck who calls the President a "white-hating racist". If you're upset, complain to the sponsors.

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                              • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 12:07 pm ET)
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                                Or Helen Thomas?
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                                • Author by New Frontier (August 19, 2010 12:20 pm ET)
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                                  Well Helen Thomas didn't have a show that depended on sponsors, did she. I refer you to bintx' post, above.
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                                  • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 12:24 pm ET)
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                                    Did she retire coincidentally for saying something stupid? Yup....the same as Dr Laura
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                                    • Author by New Frontier (August 19, 2010 2:02 pm ET)
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                                      Yup....the same as Dr LauraSure thing.
                                      Except Thomas didn't have a show. Thomas made her remark in private. Thomas didn't have sponsors. Thomas didn't have a history of making bigoted statements on the airwaves. Thomas isn't playing the poor victim. Thomas took responsibility for what she said. Thomas made a full apology. Thomas never gay-bashed. Other than that, you're spot-on, dipsh!t.

                                      This stuff has been repeatedly pointed out to you, but in typical, mindless Fox News viewer fashion, you won't let ANY facts stand in your way.
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                    • Author by soze169880 (August 19, 2010 11:06 am ET)
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                      You're just a responsible citizen that way, aren't you, dave?
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                    • Author by princeofwheels (August 19, 2010 11:18 am ET)
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                      dave, if the name anonymous appears, will we have to investigate it further? Where do you suggest we stop?

                      I'll demand an investigation as soon as I know who Cheney met with concerning our multi-billion dollar oil/energy industies.
                      I know you are with me on that.

                      Which should be done first?
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                      • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 11:28 am ET)
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                        Yes I am.

                        And if this is funded by our enemies, you are with me on that?
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                  • Author by Dem02020 (August 19, 2010 11:08 am ET)
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                    YES, I think that the murderers who financed and directed the attacks of September 11 2001 shouldn't be able to broadcast on television to the American people.

                    I also don't think those same murderers should be able to build a "Ground Zero" mosque, and I find it troubling that few if any of you even care about that, few if any of you are concerned in the least as to who it is who's financing this 100 million dollar "Ground Zero" mosque.

                    It just happens to be the same murderers who financed planned and took down the WTC Towers, but you're too blind to even see or care about that, aren't you?

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                    • Author by raddave43 (August 19, 2010 11:10 am ET)
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                      So Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden are financing the building of this cultural center?
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                      • Author by Dem02020 (August 19, 2010 11:12 am ET)
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                        NO, the same saudis who financed and directed the attacks of September 11 2001, are the same saudis who are trying to build a mosque at "Ground Zero".

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                        • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 11:16 am ET)
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                          No, they aren't.
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                        • Author by raddave43 (August 19, 2010 11:23 am ET)
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                          So again, I ask if Bin Ladid in financing the building of the cultural center, since he is the same Saudi who financed and directed the 9/11 attacks?
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                      • Author by Dem02020 (August 19, 2010 11:14 am ET)
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                        Unfortunately for you, you don't know who it is who financed and directed the attacks of September 11 2001.

                        I do.

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                    • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 11:15 am ET)
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                      I also don't think those same murderers should be able to build a "Ground Zero" mosque, and I find it troubling that few if any of you even care about that, few if any of you are concerned in the least as to who it is who's financing this 100 million dollar "Ground Zero" mosque.

                      It just happens to be the same murderers who financed planned and took down the WTC Towers, but you're too blind to even see or care about that, aren't you?


                      Proof?

                      If I knew this as fact, it would concern me; however, I haven't seen this as fact. The sect of Islam, Sufism, practiced by the Imam is NOT accepted by Wahhabi Islam, which is the Sunni sect that the majority of the 9/11 observed. They are diametrically opposed to each other.

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                • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 11:03 am ET)
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                  This is just a portion of the over 15 million we've raised in the past 10 years, dave. Again, I'll ask you, how is the imam or our minister's income relevant? They aren't the ones PAYING for the buildings. They coordinate the efforts.

                  Oh, and the "feds" KNOW where the money is coming from. Anonymous donors show the donation on their tax returns, dumba**.

                  You are a good authoritarian follower. You will believe
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                  • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 11:07 am ET)
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                    . . . . everything that the faux conservative propaganda network tells you. The faux conservative propaganda network which is partially owned by a member of the Saudi royal family . . . a Sunni, most likely a Wahhabi Sunni . . . you know, the radical sect of which the majority of the 9/11 hijackers belonged? You're getting your "news" from a network owned by someone who has more in common with the terrorists who attacked us than this imam. Does that not bother you?
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                  • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 11:09 am ET)
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                    If you can provide some evidence, it would be appreciated. Your post didn't quite convince me.
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                    • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 11:28 am ET)
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                      evidence of what? That the second largest stockholder in News Corp is Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal?

                      Interview with Charlie Rose, 1/10

                      You're a huge investor in News Corp. (NWS) Are you confident about its future?
                      I'm the second-biggest shareholder there. I was with Mr. Murdoch yesterday and have a very close relationship with Mr. James Murdoch. James is now managing Europe and Asia. I would be the first one to nominate him to be the successor of Mr. Rupert Murdoch, God forbid something happens. I have full trust in him. He is really a Rupert Murdoch in the making, and he's almost there. And I told that to Mr. Murdoch.


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                      • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 11:37 am ET)
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                        Evidence that this mosque was not funded by our enemies.
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                        • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 11:42 am ET)
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                          Ah, but I just showed you evidence that Fox is partially owned by a Wahhabi Sunni from Saudi Arabia, which is the sect and the country which provided the overwhelming majority of the 9/11 hijackers and which represented the overwhelming majority of their funding. Why do you listen to the BS coming from his network?

                          Oh, and, try looking up Sufism and Wahhabism [bin Laden's sect]. You'll find that while they are both Islamic, they have completely opposite views. Wahhabis would NOT be giving money to a Sufi imam. Now, do your research and quit listening to a "news" network funded by money from the people who funded the people who attacked us on 9/11.
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                          • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 11:54 am ET)
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                            You claimed that you had evidence that this mosque is not being built by our enemies. You included your church as evidence.

                            You are off topic, as Dell would advise me. Who Fox is owned by is not the issue. Answer the question of this mosque funding. Should there be an investigation or do you simply not care, as long as it gets built?
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                            • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 12:07 pm ET)
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                              I never said I had evidence that this COMMUNITY CENTER was not being built by our "enemies." I showed you the idiocy of your argument with my comments regarding the irrelevance of a church leader's salary with funding for a building.

                              The comment regarding Fox's ownership is completely on topic. You keep ranting that a Sufi Muslim community center is being funded by our "enemies" the Wahhabi Muslims. I've directed you to research the complete lack of a relationship between Sufism and Wahhabism, and I've pointed out to you that your source of information is partly owned by a Wahhabi Muslim Saudi . . . you know, the folks who attacked us on 9/11. Like Christianity, Judaism, and most other major religious groups in the world, there are different sects/denominations . . . not all Christians have the same beliefs, not all Jewish folks have the same beliefs and not all Muslims share the same beliefs.

                              Try reading comprehension and critical thinking, Dave, they are truly wonderful things.

                              Last comment from me, O authoritarian follower. You will NEVER see what any of us are trying to say because your authority figures have told you what to believe and you will not waver. I would love to know, though, how you can justify watching a network owned by a Saudi Muslim when you appear to have such disdain and distrust for all things Muslim.

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                              • Author by dave (August 19, 2010 12:20 pm ET)
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                                As I've said, I do not watch Fox....but that's off topic, too.

                                Fox's ownership has nothing to do with this thread. When MMFA comes up with one on it, I will comment...maybe.

                                The thread invloves the funding for this mosque.

                                And call me what you want. I have no problem with it.

                                If you can tell me how this mosque funding came to be, I will be interested.
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                    • Author by MiniTru (August 19, 2010 11:32 am ET)
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                      You first.
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                    • Author by bintx (August 19, 2010 11:32 am ET)
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                      Oh, and most Saudis are Wahhabi Sunni.
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                  • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 19, 2010 1:18 pm ET)
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                    Oh, and the "feds" KNOW where the money is coming from. Anonymous donors show the donation on their tax returns, dumba**.

                    If they file a tax return.
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                • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 19, 2010 11:14 am ET)
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                  God knows, you wouldn't want this built from money from our enemies...would you?


                  Hmmmm. redirect money that could go into aquiring weapons or running overseas terrorist camps into a community center and a local American economy. Sounds like a blow against terrorism to me.
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            • Author by raddave43 (August 19, 2010 10:48 am ET)
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              Already been done dave. "No one has established a link between the cleric and radicals. New York Police Department spokesman Paul Browne said, "We've identified no law enforcement issues related to the proposed mosque."

              source
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    • Author by magnolialover (August 19, 2010 10:27 am ET)
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      Look, fraidy cats. If this community center does indeed become some scary meeting place for terrorists minds (which it's not, but I digress), then it will make arresting them a LOT easier.

      Talk about the politics of fear.

      What happens when these guys build this place, and of course nothing happens?
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      • Author by soze169880 (August 19, 2010 10:39 am ET)
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        Terrified, violent rednecks make something happen.
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      • Author by nerzog (August 19, 2010 10:41 am ET)
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        How true. It's a much cheaper wallpaper than sending 100,000 troops to invade a Muslim country.

        The Troglodytes know nothing will happen. By the time that becomes obvious, they will have moved on to another fabricated controversy.
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    • Author by New Frontier (August 19, 2010 10:30 am ET)
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      "may be a meeting place for some of the scariest minds--some of the biggest terrorist minds"
      But enough about Glenn Beck's 8/28 rally.
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