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Gibbs responds to Beck: Obama "is a mainstream, committed Christian," "[people] are not entitled to their own facts."

September 02, 2010 3:36 pm ET

From the September 2 White House Press Briefing:

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Beck: Obama's not a racist, he just believes in an "evil" theology

Beck says he was judging Obama's "actions" that "are really based in liberation theology" when he said Obama is a "racist"

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    • Author by woodstock (September 02, 2010 3:40 pm ET)
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      Short and to the point. End of story.
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (September 02, 2010 4:06 pm ET)
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        There is nothing in the Constitution that spells out one has to be a christian going to church in front of cameras to be president.. It is the majority vote that determines who gets to live in the White House for four years at a time. These dodos at FOX and elsewhere are facts deficient in the worst way.
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        • Author by Jollymon (September 02, 2010 4:46 pm ET)
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          Wolf,
          I agree with the premise of your statement, but honestly, what person, no matter how intelligent, sociable, experienced, charismatic, handsome, honorable of a candidate with a squeaky-clean past would have even a MICROSCOPIC chance of being elected president in this day and age if they were atheist, Buddhist, Islamic, Hindu or any other non-Christian religion (or lack-there-of)?

          And Beck has the cajones to claim Christian religious civil rights are in danger?!?

          Even if someone isn't Christian, they have to claim they are one to get anywhere politically in this country. THAT is the real "religious civil rights" violation Becky boy.
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          • Author by wolf kotenberg (September 02, 2010 4:55 pm ET)
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            I totally agree with you on this. Perhaps that is why Mitt Romney only got close.
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            • Author by Jollymon (September 02, 2010 5:02 pm ET)
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              Maybe. But if Jesus isn't in your life, the White House won't be your new home anytime soon. So even Mormons have a better shot than an atheist.
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              • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 5:18 pm ET)
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                I really think a Morman has as much chance as an Atheist does at being elected.
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                • Author by Jollymon (September 02, 2010 5:27 pm ET)
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                  When was the last time an atheist or non-Christian was among the top candidates running in a Presidential Primary for either party? We already have a Mormon example of sniffing out a run at the White House. Where are the other examples?
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                  • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 5:34 pm ET)
                       
                    Did that Morman come close to getting the nomination? Nope.
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                    • Author by Jollymon (September 02, 2010 5:37 pm ET)
                         
                      So where was that atheist and Buddhist on TV wanting to be President? Romney is already being touted as a top Republican candidate for the next Presidential election.

                      You can keep arguing with me, but you obviously don't get the point.
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                      • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
                           
                        I get the point. I don't think Romney has any more of a chance than an atheist or Budhist does to be President. Too many people regard Mormans as cultists and not Christians.
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                        • Author by Jollymon (September 02, 2010 5:53 pm ET)
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                          All religions can technically be classified as cults. But a Mormon was in the running for President. Again, show me the atheist/agnostic/Muslim/Buddhist/Wicca candidate for President from a major party. Romney's belief in Jesus, as cultish as it may be seen, still got him on the playing field. All other religions and non-beliefs are left on the sidelines. You can't score a touchdown if you aren't even in the game. Therefore, Romney (Mormon) had/has a better chance than the others. Capice?
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                          • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 5:59 pm ET)
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                            You don't need to be a Christian to get on the playing field. I am not going to look all throughout the history of this country to look for candidates that were atheists. I maintain that even though Romney was on the playing field, he didn't even make a first down, and won't ever.
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                            • Author by Jollymon (September 02, 2010 6:07 pm ET)
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                              Winning eleven states during the Republican Primary is not even making a first down?!?

                              *facepalm*

                              Nevermind.
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                              • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 6:20 pm ET)
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                                No, did he come close to getting the nomination, so facepalm this.
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                                • Author by Jollymon (September 02, 2010 6:49 pm ET)
                                     
                                  Sorry, I can't fix stupid. But thanks for your insightful and relevant opinion. You really brought a lot to the discussion. Bravo.

                                  *golf clap*

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                          • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 03, 2010 4:11 pm ET)
                               
                            All religions can technically be classified as cults. - Jolly

                            Amen to that.
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              • Author by Conchobhar (September 02, 2010 5:28 pm ET)
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                Jesus doesn't have to be "in your life," any more than fidelity needs to be in your marriage. You just have to talk the Jesus and family values talk. (see: Vitter, Gingrich et al)
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                • Author by Jollymon (September 02, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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                  Point taken, I should have said a political figure has to "say Jesus is in their life" in order to make it to a higher political office.
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        • Author by jms (September 02, 2010 4:59 pm ET)
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          that would have been a much more acceptable answer than Gibbs' spin.
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          • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 5:12 pm ET)
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            You wingnuts claim that the President has never directly answered the question of him being a Christian and when his spokesman direclty answers, you still aren't satisfied.
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            • Author by dogbreath (September 02, 2010 5:23 pm ET)
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              They'll never be satisfied. Even if Obama himself rang their doorbell and explained his personal belief in God. Satisfation is not their goal, hate and lies are the only thing they wish to accomplish.
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              • Author by mjh (September 02, 2010 6:46 pm ET)
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                "They'll never be satisfied. Even if Obama himself rang their doorbell and explained his personal belief in God."



                Well, then they'd think he's a Jehovah's Witness. :)


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            • Author by jms (September 02, 2010 5:26 pm ET)
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              Of course I am not satisfied. Rev Wright's church does not reflect mainstream Christianity. It is as simple as that. I personally don't care what Obama believes but I would like his administration to be honest about it.
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              • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 5:35 pm ET)
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                Yes it does, it is a United Church of Christ Church, so it is mainstream Christianity.
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              • Author by New Frontier (September 02, 2010 5:46 pm ET)
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                Rev Wright's church does not reflect mainstream Christianity.
                Get a load of jms: supreme almighty Judge of Churches. I'm sure the church's patrons will be devastated by your verdict.
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              • Author by mjh (September 02, 2010 6:38 pm ET)
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                "Of course I am not satisfied. Rev Wright's church does not reflect mainstream Christianity. It is as simple as that." jms



                And YOU'RE the arbiter of what constitutes "mainstream Christianity" due to . . . ??




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                • Author by bintx (September 02, 2010 6:45 pm ET)
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                  The fact that he has admitted that he is an atheist on another thread. LOL!
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 03, 2010 4:13 pm ET)
                       
                    Exactly. How dense does one have to be? The cognitive dissonance in the right-wing today is amazing.
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            • Author by mjh (September 02, 2010 6:52 pm ET)
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              "You wingnuts claim that the President has never directly answered the question of him being a Christian and when his spokesman direclty answers, you still aren't satisfied."



              Of course -- it's just like the birther thing.

              First they say, "he wasn't born in the US" -- then, he presents his birth certificate.

              Then, they say, "it's fake" -- then, PolitiFact proved it was.

              Then they say, "it's not that he wasn't a citizen, it's that his mother wasn't"

              And on and on . . .

              [http://jcnot4me.com/images/goalposts_moving-back.bmp]
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      • Author by mari2jj (September 02, 2010 6:28 pm ET)
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        Actually, Beck's tirade is pure racism. Has nothing to do with any supposed Christianity claim. Beck has proven himself to be a racist bigot. It drives him bats to see an accomplished, smarter than he is, Black President. If Beck had any honesty he would admit this ruin's his entire set of beliefs that allow him to continue to be the racist he has shown himself to be.
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    • Author by The New Pilgrims (September 02, 2010 3:41 pm ET)
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      I don't know about this one. If Obama isn't a Muslim, then why have we never seen him in the same room with Osama bin laden.

      Interesting factoid: Glennbeck Nation rhymes (sort of) with Redneck Nation.
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    • Author by kfraz43 (September 02, 2010 3:43 pm ET)
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      nuff said. At least for reasonable people. But the fact that he HAD to say it naturally means that there will still be people who don't believe him.

      Cue the right wing response: "so now we're supposed to believe Robert Gibbs since he said it? If it's true, why didn't the President say it?"

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    • Author by seahawks123 (September 02, 2010 3:46 pm ET)
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      Obama is a mainstream commited Christian who attended a church for 20 years who's Rev. preached black liberation theology.
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      • Author by Nasty Liberal (September 02, 2010 3:50 pm ET)
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        Well, can't say you didn't get your facts right just this once.
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        • Author by mjh (September 02, 2010 3:55 pm ET)
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          "Well, can't say you didn't get your facts right just this once."


          As the saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day . . .


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          • Author by MiniTru (September 02, 2010 4:28 pm ET)
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            Yeah, but seahawks has only been right once in a few months.
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            • Author by John Paradox (September 02, 2010 9:02 pm ET)
                 
              Well, if you ever looked carefully at one of those 'perpetual calendars', there are only 7 basic months (excluding the difference in length from 28 to 31). They start on Sun, Mon...etc through Saturday the 1st.
              So, squacks is like a single page of those calendars, right every few months....
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          • Author by nerzog (September 02, 2010 4:34 pm ET)
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            I see him more like a broken clock with no hands... never even close to being right.
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      • Author by Koyaanisqatsi (September 02, 2010 3:50 pm ET)
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        flagged for beckspeak (lie)
        doubleplusungood
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      • Author by txthinker (September 02, 2010 3:51 pm ET)
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        And Seabiscuit is a brain-dead troll who SHOULD be committed.
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      • Author by Major Tom (September 02, 2010 3:52 pm ET)
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        You log onto MMFA almost everyday... Do your friends know what a closet liberal progressive you are?
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      • Author by epkklk851 (September 02, 2010 3:54 pm ET)
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        And Glennie is a drug/drink addled, uneducated adolescent with a mean streak who spent twenty years of his life drunk and or stoned pulling pranks on his Morning Zoo audience.
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      • Author by mjh (September 02, 2010 3:58 pm ET)
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        "Obama is a mainstream commited Christian who attended a church for 20 years who's Rev. preached black liberation theology." -- Seahags5-11


        Guess that pretty much blows away any lingering thought of him being a Muslim, don't it Seahags?


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        • Author by papa bear3 (September 02, 2010 4:46 pm ET)
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          . . .yes, but hey, he was a mainstream christian born in Kenya

          (their system has all these built in traps)
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      • Author by bintx (September 02, 2010 4:04 pm ET)
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        And Glenn Beck is a backsliding Catholic who joined the LDS. A church that the majority of his "black robe" gang of evangelical fundamentalists believe is a Satanic cult. I'll bet it all John Hagee can do to keep from hitting Beck on the forehead and saying "Be HE-ULED"! every time he gets near Beck.

        Your point?


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      • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 4:35 pm ET)
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        The President attended a United Church of Christ church, witch is mainstream Christian.
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      • Author by nicholjm (September 02, 2010 4:37 pm ET)
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        I'll give you an ice cream if you can conherently explain what black liberation theology is. And I am still curious if you managed to find those constitutional rights you lost when Obama became President? <- from another thread.
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        • Author by nicholjm (September 02, 2010 4:38 pm ET)
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          oops I meant to say coherently, of all the words to miss spell!!
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          • Author by Conchobhar (September 02, 2010 5:37 pm ET)
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            I liked it.
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            • Author by mjh (September 02, 2010 6:41 pm ET)
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              Me too; kinda fits Seahags5-11 and jms.

              Only wingnut neoKKKons like them have the ability to be "conherent" -- 'cause they're definitely not "coherent" . . .





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        • Author by nicholjm (September 02, 2010 4:51 pm ET)
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          http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/01/opinion/la-oe-0901-rutten-20100901/2

          Interesting dismissal of Beck.
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      • Author by papa bear3 (September 02, 2010 4:41 pm ET)
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        . . .so, he is a mainstream committed Christian who attended a church for 20 years (thank you)he took from it what he needed like the rest of us.

        I still have a problem with the virgin birth, resurrection and the part where I should think less of all other religions.
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      • Author by New Frontier (September 02, 2010 6:09 pm ET)
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        And seahawks123 is a fake "bone doctor" with a fake "secretary".
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    • Author by Turk72 (September 02, 2010 3:53 pm ET)
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      Didn't Marx believe that organized religion was bad? How can someone then be a marxist christian?
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    • Author by AC_Mem (September 02, 2010 4:45 pm ET)
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      I wish that they would stop giving this attention. It has been addressed and it is outrageous that people are still trying to pick apart the President's faith!

      LEAVE IT ALONE ALREADY. All they are doing is giving the right soundbites. Good Grief.
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      • Author by Unreality (September 02, 2010 6:16 pm ET)
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        I thought the same, that correcting patently false assertions was useless. But it became obvious that if one doesn't respond, and respond forcefully, the lies will become myths, and everyone loves a myth like "Elvis is in the building."
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    • Author by jms (September 02, 2010 4:56 pm ET)
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      No one who attends Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years can be classified as a "mainstream Christian". Gibbs and mmfa......fail.
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      • Author by leftofwhat (September 02, 2010 5:06 pm ET)
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        Screw religion.If you're so worried about others,then join a monastary to separate yourself from the rest of the world.What Obama does with his private life is private and nobody'e business.
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        • Author by jms (September 02, 2010 5:28 pm ET)
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          I agree with you? I was just stating a fact.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 03, 2010 4:16 pm ET)
               
            And now you don't even know what a fact is? Wow. You are losing it jms. How would your opinion of what is or is not a "mainstream christian" church be a fact? Are you really this far gone?
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      • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 5:17 pm ET)
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        Again, it wasn't Jeremian Wright's church, it was a United Church of Christ church, which is a Mainstream Christian Church.
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      • Author by bintx (September 02, 2010 5:23 pm ET)
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        Have you attended the church where Wright preached, jms? If not, then you don't have a clue what you're talking about. It's kind of like arguing that something wasn't in a report without actually reading it.
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        • Author by zamfir273114 (September 02, 2010 5:30 pm ET)
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          I wasn't around in the 1940's either but I know what Adolph Hitler stood for. Rev. Wright hates white people. Obama studied under this man for 20+ years. Enough Said.
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          • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 5:36 pm ET)
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            Rev. Wright doesn't hate white people, Obama didn't study under him.
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          • Author by bintx (September 02, 2010 5:38 pm ET)
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            If you have not attended a service by Wright and you are basing your opinion solely on the truncated clips you have seen on the internet or on television, you do NOT have a clue. You are basing your knowledge of this man on a few minutes of tape.

            Personally, I don't like what he said in those snippets of video, but I cannot pass judgment on him based on those clips, nor can I pass judgment on the people who attended his services based on those snippets of video.
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          • Author by New Frontier (September 02, 2010 6:13 pm ET)
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            "Enough Said" = Fox News has told me what to think of Rev. Wright. Now don't cloud my opinion with facts.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 03, 2010 4:17 pm ET)
               
            He clearly does not hate white people. And, I seriously doubt you have any idea what Hitler stood for. Or anything else remotely related to World History. Enough said.
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        • Author by jms (September 02, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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          There is this nifty new invention called the internet (I think one of your heroes invented it!!!) and on that is this clever thing called youtube where you can watch what Wright preached.
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          • Author by bintx (September 02, 2010 5:36 pm ET)
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            See my response above.
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          • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 5:38 pm ET)
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            Gore didn't invent, nor did he claim he invented it wingnut.
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          • Author by bintx (September 02, 2010 5:40 pm ET)
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            I'm assuming that you are speaking of Al Gore. He is not my hero, and I don't particularly care for the man and never have.

            He also never claimed that he invented the internet. See, that's what happens when you get all of your information from the internet . . . you end up looking foolish.
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            • Author by txthinker (September 02, 2010 5:52 pm ET)
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              Actually, jms started off looking foolish, and it gets worse with every post.
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            • Author by jms (September 02, 2010 5:55 pm ET)
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              Sorry, he said that he CREATED it...
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              • Author by raddave43 (September 02, 2010 6:00 pm ET)
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                No he didn't idiot.
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              • Author by bintx (September 02, 2010 6:02 pm ET)
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                Nope. He said that he took the initiative in creating the internet . . . if you read the entire quote, he was referring to the work he did while in the Senate to push for funding and legislation to help it become a reality. His language was clumsy, but he NEVER claimed to have created the internet.

                But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.


                Really, jms . . . you just keep making yourself look silly with your talking points.
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                • Author by jms (September 02, 2010 6:13 pm ET)
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                  Thanks for showing us all that he did in fact say that he took the initiative in creating the internet. I commend him too, as that would take a lot of initiative to create.
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                  • Author by iglou (September 02, 2010 6:19 pm ET)
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                    bintx is correct.
                    Regardless, Al Gore is WAY off topic.
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                  • Author by New Frontier (September 02, 2010 6:24 pm ET)
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                    You were wrong when you said Gore claimed he invented the Internet. Now you are wrong claiming Gore said he "created the Internet". You're really just wrong almost all of the time and yet you have no sense of embarrassment whatsoever.

                    Hey: Did you know Obama the "white-hating racist" was born in Kenya? It's true--no need to check it out any further. Just run with it.
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                    • Author by jms (September 02, 2010 6:32 pm ET)
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                      So you are going to say that Al Gore never said "I took the initiative in creating the Internet"???

                      Created vs invented, really?
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                      • Author by bintx (September 02, 2010 6:44 pm ET)
                           
                        Reading comprehension, jms . . . it's a wonderful thing. You really should try it sometime.
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                      • Author by New Frontier (September 02, 2010 6:46 pm ET)
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                        Now be careful with that link below. Don't clutter your brain, jms. You want to believe Al Gore said he invented or created the Internet, you just go right ahead and stay stoopid.

                        Internet of Lies
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                        • Author by jms (September 02, 2010 10:57 pm ET)
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                          Well if "snopes" says so then it must be try. Their example illustrates the problem with Gore's statement better than I could have. If Eisenhower said he created the US interstate highway system that would be ok because it was entirely a federal government creation. The internet was not at all a federal government creation and doofus al gore had nothing to do with creating it. He said he created it and he is a complete and utter moron for saying it.
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                          • Author by mjh (September 03, 2010 3:01 am ET)
                               
                            "Well if "snopes" says so then it must be try. Their example illustrates the problem with Gore's statement better than I could have. If Eisenhower said he created the US interstate highway system that would be ok because it was entirely a federal government creation. The internet was not at all a federal government creation and doofus al gore had nothing to do with creating it. He said he created it and he is a complete and utter moron for saying it." -- jms


                            To New Frontier:

                            I've gotta admire you; you tried, you made a good-faith effort to educate the troll . . .

                            But, as the above quote confirms, once a teabagging wingnut has latched onto a talking point -- whether it's "Clinton dodged the draft", "Obama is a Muslim", or "Gore invented the internet" -- they're like a rabid dog with a bone, and NO amount of proof or facts will make them let go . . .

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                          • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 03, 2010 4:20 pm ET)
                               
                            If Eisenhower said he created the US interstate highway system that would be ok - jms

                            Wow. This just keeps getting better. Please, continue jms. You are hilarious. I am going to assume you are doing satire at this point.
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                        • Author by John Paradox (September 03, 2010 1:07 am ET)
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                          New Frontier: don't bother to link to Snopes for trolls, they just put up an article about how the Neocons' victi.... er, followers simply don't bother to read the articles before sending flaming emails
                          No, Virginia, There Is No Obama/Kagan Connection
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                  • Author by bintx (September 02, 2010 6:27 pm ET)
                       
                    Ah, that's why you're ignorant of what is in government reports, you have difficulty with reading comprehension. I'm sorry, I wish I would have known sooner.

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                  • Author by Unreality (September 03, 2010 12:50 pm ET)
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                    We recognize that your reading comprehension and understanding of language are limited. That can be learned, but you have to want to learn. Here's lesson #1:
                    History of ARPANET
                    Senator Albert Gore, Jr. began to craft the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 (commonly referred to as "The Gore Bill") after hearing the 1988 report toward a National Research Network submitted to Congress by a group chaired by UCLA professor of computer science, Leonard Kleinrock, one of the central creators of the ARPANET (the ARPANET, first deployed by Kleinrock and others in 1969, is the predecessor of the Internet). The bill was passed on December 9, 1991 and led to the National Information Infrastructure (NII) which Al Gore called the "information superhighway".
                    Prior to this event, there was no publicly available network with a set of common communication protocols. Instead there were many private networks with incompatible protocols as well as a select few government-owned networks such as ARPANET.
                    If Al Gore had not stepped forward it's likely you would still be using a low speed dial-up modem over your Baby Bell System phone line with AOL. The Bell Telco monopoly was a powerful force for statis.
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              • Author by New Frontier (September 02, 2010 6:08 pm ET)
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                Sorry, he said that he CREATED it...
                Wrong, troll.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 03, 2010 4:19 pm ET)
                   
                Is that a quote, jms? You may want to consult your Internet again. You're looking worse and worse here.
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          • Author by New Frontier (September 02, 2010 5:58 pm ET)
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            Yeah, we use it to see what sh!tload of hate Beck is dumping on any given day. Then right-wingers troll over here and try to defend him---unsuccessfully.
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      • Author by mjh (September 02, 2010 6:43 pm ET)
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        No one who attends Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years can be classified as a "mainstream Christian". -- jms



        Again, that's according to -- who??


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    • Author by MaineiacMan (September 03, 2010 8:05 am ET)
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      Mr Gibbs - You are not entitled to lie and then dismiss others by claiming that they are not entitled to their own facts.

      Black Liberation Theology may be a fringe form of Christianity but it most certainly is not mainstream.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 03, 2010 4:22 pm ET)
           
        Says the guy who followers a Mormon snake oil salesmen. Please, Maine, tell us what is mainstream christianity?
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