Fox News managing editor Sammon defends Beck and his 8-28 rally from the "anger and ugliness" of the press

oh come on Sammons ... the media was practically fawning over the guy !!!

DixieChyc :

Guess what, those Teabaggers were calling people like me Marxists/Fascists/Communists/Socialist before I ever started calling them Teabaggers (a name I took from them with their teabags afixed to every possible surface). They are the ones going around spreading lies and misinformation and then being angry with me for being able to correct their lack of understanding. You are correct, Teabaggers may be our relatives or our neighbors, but the hate and anger started there, with them. I was at the rally, Dixie, which is more that you can say. I saw a young man who was clawed by one of Beckie's loving fans for counterprotesting. She shreiked at him and tried to tear the sign from his hands. I talked to the Eagle Scout who was threatened with violence by no fewer than four people for counterprotesting. I talked to his friends as they were mocked by passersby for being against Glennie's redneck "love" fest. I talked to two young women who showed up and were yelled at for: 1) wearing an Obama shirt, and 2) just for being a Liberal. I also was in the crowd that mocked a Black children's choir for not having anyone at their rally (yet), which was diverse and was supported by SEIU. They were building things, not hurting anyone, but I'm sure that they became violent thugs to any of the Teabaggers passing by.

Beckie can say he wants us all to come together and love one another, but he doesn't mean it. And the people with the bigoted T-shirts and the "I love my guns" buttons aren't very loving either unless you're one of them and you want to do it their way! I am not and I don't want to join the club, either. I grew up in a redneck household. It took me decades to escape and get the stink off me, but I remain fluent in the code, I will not go back to that. And I will not tear down the advances that have been made for women, minorities, and non-believers and non-Christians. I was taught that the United States welcomed all those people and gave them an equal chance, that is not the message I'm getting from Glennie's overweight, geriatric, White, Protestant, Republican audience.

Those nurses and people risking their lives to pull you from a burning vehicle are all union people where I come from. As am I, my kids, my parents and their parents.

We've all been called every name in the book by Beck and teapartiers. We've built and maintained America, fought it's wars and now have been portrayed as immoral villains, cowards and traitors by these people on the right.

We've seen nothing but ugliness from the right since March of 2003. So don't come around here claiming innocence.

By labeling people, as opposed to describing some PARTICULAR action or statement, you are effectively saying that nothing can be gained from talking further with them. Either you're implying that they're "the other" (in which case it doesn't matter what they think), or you're implying that they're so rigidly ideological that they'd never give an inch regardless of how obviously correct the counter rationale presented to them may be.

If one says President Obama is a Nazi, the implication is that he's not only not an American, he's an enemy of Americans. If one calls him a racist, he's an enemy of non-Blacks. Dialogue is frozen. If you say he's a socialist even if you don't mean that he's an other, but rather that he's committed to the the ideology of socialism, you also freeze any possible dialog. It's inferred that he's not going to change his mind on anything anyway, so why bother trying.

But if you say this or that PARTICULAR statement or idea of Obama's is socialist, you leave the door open to a possible exchange of ideas. But I submit that it's deliberate on the part of the GOP leadership/GOP biased media (including Beck 364 days of the year -- not you maybe) to demonize with labels. They want to inhibit conversation in the populace because they want to derail Congress so that as little gets done under Dem control as possible and to diminish Dem party chances of keeping control. The demonization provides the rationale, the cover story, for why they're not trying to get along with President Obama and get some things done for the good of the country overall.

It is neither helpful nor productive to resort to name-calling, ridiculing or condemnation no matter if it is Glenn Beck or Al Sharpton or Media Matters doing it.

The stack of evidence of Glenn Beck name-calling, ridiculing and condemning dozens and dozens of men, women and children is about 80 feet tall. Lets see what you have from Media Matters.

I know for a fact that none of my relatives are tea party members. I'd never attend a tea party event and subject myself to being treated like a favorite pet. I saw a pic on Crooks and Liars today of an African American male standing between two white men at the 8-28 rally who were holding signs that asked "Do I Look Like a Racist?" This man was treated as a prize pig at a county fair. Behavior and words speak much louder than a sign in this instance, and the tea partiers have shown their azzez since January 20, 2009. You and your cohorts sat on your behinds for 8 years while GWB destroyed this country in every way, and when President Obama began to try to clean up his mess, you decided right out of the gate that he deserved neither a chance to set the country on the right path nor the respect that you gave all of his predecessors. No republican or tea partier has ever had to answer the question of why he immediately became the target of your hatred. Maybe you can answer this question.

I want no part of any group that attacks others unfairly, and as a Christian, I have a very strong aversion to lying, hypocrisy, worshiping human beings, war mongers, those who adamantly refuse to help the less fortunate, and those who worship guns. You may follow them on the path to h3ll, but I won't. Few tea partiers even understand the difference between socialists, communists, fascists, or Nazis, yet that doesn't stop them from calling President Obama and progressives by those names. All of this hate started on the right under the guidance of corporatists like the Koch Bros and Dick Armey.

I saw the same type of behavior and language that is found among the tea partiers when I was living under segregation, and it p!**es me off for someone to try to tell me that that isn't a part of what this astroturf "movement" is about.

Furthermore, President Obama tried to reach out to the republicans in Congress many times, and all they did was lie, lie, and lie again. They are not honorable people, and anyone who believes what any of them say, knowing that what they're doing is wrong from a human rights POV is just as dishonorable as they are.

I don't support democrats when they are wrong, and I definitely will not associate with a group of people who lie constantly, refuse to accept responsibility for their mistakes, and blame all of their problems on someone else.

President Obama hasn't done a d@_m thing to you or any of the others who scream and lie about him 24/7/365. It's all in your minds, placed there by corporatists. The only difference between him and his predecessors is the amount of melanin in his skin, and neither you nor anyone else can convince me that with this nation's sordid history of race relations that this doesn't play some role in these attacks.

I will say that the behavior and words of the tea party crowd toward President Obama has left little doubt in my mind that his race is a big factor with some of them. I want all of the tea partiers and republicans, including yourself, to STFU, and stop getting on the rest of our nerves with your insane BS. You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you up side your head. Not only wouldn't you recognize the truth, you resist being exposed to it.

You may be sick of hearing about Beck & Palin & the Tea Party, but attacking tea partiers personally isn't working.

I'm not sick of hearing about them. I enjoy hearing about the constant stupidity they purvey, and look forward to hearing about their demise. It's pretty much agreed that most teabaggers are old, white and conservative, and i'm sorry, but you are going somewhere - the rubbish heap.

The mind-things that pass for ideas among the vast majority of teabaggers whose voices get heard are at worst ignorant and uninformed, and at best, archaic. DixieChyc, why not pass your message of bridge-building and next-door-neighborism on to your people, who regularly treat both liberals and "liberals" as the hated other?

White privilege is circling the bowl...white anger is rising!

Goodbye....I hope the planet you live on has health care and people concerned about the welfare of the least among you. I know you resist these christian concepts, but, we forgive your hypocrisy, you can't, and won't ,help it!

Haven't we seen this before?

by bee1cee2 (July 16, 2010 5:52 pm ET)*[two hours before another post]

Consider this the last time that I ever exhaust any energy to even acknowledge your existence. After this message you will be invisible to me because of your lies about me making rude obscene comments about you or to you. Nice try but mission failure on your part.

A "respectful post" doesn't abuse the truth. Yours did.

And, as I have explained countless times, it's not hurling an insult to call a convicted murderer a murderer, and it's not hurling an insult to call someone who's been documented to be a bozo "a bozo" or someone who's been identified as a troll a "troll"!

We'd love to have reasonable and responsible conservative posters here defend conservative ideals here.

But see, then, you'd agree with virtually everything that MMFA posts, since the stuff MMFA posts about is NOT attacking conservativism, but rather lies, distortions and omissions of relevant info!

I see thoughtful and well-reasoned arguments in response to your posts----not the attacks and insults you claim. Apparently you only want people who agree with everything you see. Have fun playing the Persecuted Victim.