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Steve Hayes: "It matters less what the American people think than it does what the enemy think in terms of winning the war"

September 05, 2010 10:07 am ET

From the September 5 edition of Fox News Sunday:

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    • Author by Sks1 (September 05, 2010 10:19 am ET)
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      i'll certainly be glad when one of the right-wing commentators or one of these fixed noise talking heads define what it is they mean by " winning the war " as its a sporting event..so please if anyone knows what they mean by that statement i would appreciate that answer,,,,,
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (September 05, 2010 12:19 pm ET)
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        At another level of vagueness. Who am teh enemy?
        Tossing out the word terrorists does not clarify this issue.

        Understanding your enemy is good. I don't see anything that show the rightwing is making any effort to do this. It seems they use it almost exclusively to make people fearful.

        My self I'm tending to believe that their enemy can easily be anyone who does not comfortably accept and enthusiasticly work for the world view that they see.
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    • Author by YouTubeJEFF9K (September 05, 2010 10:29 am ET)
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      This guy talks about "winning the war." That's the type of thing that dumba$$ Republican voters like to hear. Maybe what we need is a war on morons. "War on morons" - hey that rhymes, just got an idea for a song.
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    • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (September 05, 2010 11:21 am ET)
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      Then why keep playing into the hands of "the enemy" by doing things like opposing construction of Islamic community centers and mosques? Such disregard for what Muslims think gives credence to the anti-American message of groups like Al Qaeda and enhances their recruiting efforts.
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      • Author by Porkeater (September 05, 2010 1:53 pm ET)
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        Unfortunately, the people speaking above do not consider "the enemy" to be people; they are integers in a conceptual discussion. No good can arise from it.
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    • Author by worrierking (September 05, 2010 11:26 am ET)
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      The one thing these warmongers have in common is that none of them has ever experienced it personally. They're great at giving advice on how to start wars, and not so good on ending them. They define support for the troops as being willing to send them into the maelstrom, yet they deprive them of the means to protect themselves once the bullets star flying.

      Cowards, each and every one.

      "I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.

      - William Tecumseh Sherman

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    • Author by alienofwar (September 05, 2010 11:30 am ET)
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      The modern Conservative movement is always in need of an enemy.
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    • Author by Romario (September 05, 2010 12:04 pm ET)
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      My question is why does Stephen Hayes still get to give his opinions on TV? He wrote a book back in 2002-2003 which claimed Saddam and Al Qaeda were working together to plan 9/11. Why does this guy still get airtime???
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    • Author by soze169880 (September 05, 2010 12:13 pm ET)
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      Oh, right, I forgot. Public opinion stops mattering when it contradicts Republicans. If, on the other hand, a majority wants to deny gay people or Muslims their rights, you're completely beholden to their will.
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      • Author by jjamele2880 (September 05, 2010 4:07 pm ET)
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        Polls are only valuable when they seem to support their side. Just like Global Warming is only worth talking about during snowstorms.
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    • Author by Saturnalian (September 05, 2010 1:03 pm ET)
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      Except that the American people ARE THE ENEMY to these "idiot"logues.
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    • Author by Who? What? When? Where? Why? How? (September 05, 2010 1:14 pm ET)
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      Steve Hayes: "It matters less what the American people think than it does what the enemy think in terms of winning the war"

      Except that the enemy knows that in a democracy what the people think does matter a lot as to whether to continue the hostilities or not and at what level.
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (September 05, 2010 1:32 pm ET)
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      When dealing with ideologues, simplification is a useful tactic. There will never be a "victory" in Iraq or Afghanistan if they are comparing it to WWI and/or WWII. There was no victory in Korea or Vietnam. Realism seems to be missing from this panel discussion. RW ideologues criticize President Obama for making the connection between these wars and our economy while calling for tax cuts for the richest Americans, which weaken our economy.

      Continued borrowing from China to fund operations in Afghanistan and Iraq while not strengthening the economy is a recipe for disaster. Republicans should be among the first people in this country to reject this practice because it is not fiscally responsible, but they don't. We don't have to wait for the republicans to regain power to see the results of this flawed policy because we're living it today. A republican majority in both house of Congress will definitely weaken our economy as they borrow to fund these tax cuts, refuse to create jobs, refuse to extend unemployment benefits, borrow to continue operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and borrow to make their wet dream of invading Iran come true. Once the economy is in dire straits, the republicans will do exactly what they're doing now. They'll refuse to accept any responsibility for their mistakes, lose power, go on another slash and burn campaign against those who can govern, and repeat the whole process.

      I have watched republicans' behavior and policymaking since Nixon was in office, and the patterns of behavior I described above are the primary rules in the republican playbook. When Americans will realize that their policies do not work and adamantly refuse to vote for them, forcing the party to face reality and change is anybody's guess. I only know that at this time in our history, we don't need to be exposed to a revival of policymaking that has already been proven to be devastating to our economy, our troops and citizens, and our standing in the world.
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      • Author by okiepoli (September 05, 2010 2:12 pm ET)
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        Well said.
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      • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (September 05, 2010 4:16 pm ET)
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        Outstanding post!
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      • Author by MilitantMNMan (September 05, 2010 11:17 pm ET)
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        This is a good post, but it's missing something:

        Although simplification is in order when confronting an ideologue, war is a seperate issue. Though you are right in the sense that we didn't "win" the war because so many soldiers died and we never left those countries, that was never the objective in the first place. The truth is we won those wars. I know I know, but bear with me.

        The point of all those wars a.k.a "interventions" was never to institute democracy, or take out any type of horrible leader. It was to overthrow a more than likely state run economy. It didn't matter how many soldiers we lost during those wars (many of which were started by Dems.) In nearly all those wars, we obliterated their infrastructure and forced them into a capital road. But of course, we say they're our "trading partners" now.

        Let me wrap up by saying this, the ideologues you mentioned above know all of what I just said. And if you think confronting them on national TV and trying to get them to admit that will work, then I say you have more hope than I do. This playbook isn't a matter of being ineffective, it's a matter of being disastrous at the expense of the taxpayer, for the benefit of the corporations. And as far as borrowing goes, I doubt any country that we've borrowed from would attack us knowing that they're owed so much.
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        • Author by Conchobhar (September 06, 2010 2:12 pm ET)
             
          I doubt any country that we've borrowed from would attack us knowing that they're owed so much.

          China already has, if you consider cyberwarfare to be warfare. The Chinese military is well ahead of ours (as far as we know) in cyberwarfare doctrine and practice. They have, according to Richard Clarke in Your Government Failed You, successfully hacked into the Pentagon's non-classified network, and seem to be capable of bringing our economy, electric grid, and transportation facilities to a standstill.

          "They would never attack us because..." is always a dangerous position to take, because it rests on the assumption that other countries and cultures see their interests, and threats to those interests, the way we think they do, or should. Assumptions like that fill graveyards.
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    • Author by liberalXtian (September 05, 2010 1:54 pm ET)
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      "When I use a word, it means what I choose it to mean--neither more, nor less."

      Humpty Dumpty, Through the Looking Glass

      Besides, Humpty Dumpty's misplaced faith in the King's Men's abilty to put him back together, perhaps this is an apt metaphor for Iraq and "winning". Seems as if at anytime we could have declared victory and left.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (September 05, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
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        Seems as if at anytime we could have declared victory and left.
        That seems to be what we're doing; except, of course, for the "leaving" part. "Combat troops" out, "support troops" and mercenaries left behind.
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    • Author by DellDolly (September 06, 2010 3:03 am ET)
         
      I can't stand to listen to Stephen Hayes anymore. When he starts talking, I have to mute the TV.

      During the times when I COULD still listen to him, he virtually never told the truth. I've never seen him write anything that was honest either. He's dishonest to the core.
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