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Plouffe: Limbaugh, Beck, Palin are "the leaders" of the Republican Party "and this is a problem for" the GOP

September 05, 2010 11:14 am ET

From the September 5 edition of NBC's Meet the Press:

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    • Author by Bad News (September 05, 2010 11:24 am ET)
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      There is no Leader of the Republican Party.
      Unless you count Tucker Carlson who has it out for Minorities.
      Especially President Obama who had Pictures of his Family behind him during his address.
      I guess to Tucker Carlson a Negro + a Family does not Compute & it causes him severe Distress.

      Speak truth to power.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by bailorgana (September 05, 2010 11:42 am ET)
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        I used to think Tucker was a fair guy, but not any more. He's just like the rest the far right thugs. I wonder if Tucker is going tell Obama not to celebrate Christmas?
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      • Author by rkcomments (September 05, 2010 2:22 pm ET)
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        There should be more Dems like Plouffe hitting the airwaves to forcibly go on the offensive against the misinformation and fear being spread by the Republicans.
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        • Author by DellDolly (September 06, 2010 2:38 am ET)
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          Yes, they need to go against the LIES and the LYING LIARS who tell those lies.
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    • Author by nerzog (September 05, 2010 11:34 am ET)
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      They need to keep this guy out front, and let Axelrod run things from behind the scenes. Plouffe does a much better job of articulating their case.

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      • Author by MickD (September 05, 2010 1:58 pm ET)
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        Nerz, I agree. I hate to say this but Axelrod always seems to come off as a sweaty nerd wonk.
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    • Author by bailorgana (September 05, 2010 11:38 am ET)
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      There more like Big Brother & Big Sister.
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    • Author by einreb (September 05, 2010 11:46 am ET)
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      Well perhaps, Plouffe out to have a conversation with Chris Matthews who breathlessly laid out a scenario whereby if this happened in South Carolina, then that happened in Michigan, then WHAMO! Sarah Palin would be the GOP nominee.

      Matthews wants Palin to be the candidate because of what she would do to his ratings.

      We fear Sarah Palin because of what she would do to the country.
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      • Author by smarshall1432997 (September 05, 2010 12:56 pm ET)
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        ALL of the Media know that former Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin would be "ATE" up when the Republicans starts their choice selection for the 2012 Presidential Election. Look what happened to Spector, Chris and John McCain who were all challenged in their Primaries by Republican Challengers in '09 and '10. Spector became a Democrat, Chris became a Independent and McCain became a "new" McCain altogether, LOL.

        There is no way these old time Republicans will play nice with Palin and fall in line (like they did in '08) to help her become something they all want so badly, LOL. Wink, wink. LOL.
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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (September 05, 2010 11:49 am ET)
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      Archie Bunker, Pastor Hagee, and Caribou Barbie as leaders of the GOP certainly presents its problems.
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    • Author by Who? What? When? Where? Why? How? (September 05, 2010 12:36 pm ET)
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      I disagree. Beck, Palin and Limbaugh are not a problem for the GOP. They are emblematic, and creatures of the party's strength. As a matter of fact they're emblematic of their ONLY significant strength relative to the Dems. After the extraordinary debacle of the last Bush presidency/GOP Congress, liberals were giddy about how it presaged a decades long Republican wilderness. What they didn't understand then IMO, and they don't now, is that the GOP voters are first and foremost anti-Democrats, not pro-Republicans. That's all they got, and it's enough. To put it in bumper sticker format, "It's the people, stupid" (not the leaders).

      "Palin is just sooo uncouth my dear, Hitler in drag, hahahaha." I think this tone is dangerous as she may become liberals only hope when things get really rough. She may become the shield between the roaring mob and the Democrats/liberals. These economic forces will use her, if elected, to warp the ugly will of the people. Just as these moneyed interests distort everything now when the D's control, they will try to cause a secretly moderating instrument to rise to power, which they control better, which incidentally will deflect the worst instincts of the GOP electorate away from their true passion, revenge.
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      • Author by epkklk851 (September 05, 2010 2:05 pm ET)
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        The biggest problem I have with your analysis, is seeing Palin as a moderating force to deflect the GOP from revenge. Simple Sarah is, if one can believe the profiles written about her, all about revenge, revenge of the most petty and personal kind. According to the most recent profile, she sees herself as on the side of the angels in a war against evil, the Progressives. She is even more thin-skinned and less mature about her public personna than even Beck. The economic powerhouses may want to control her, but if they are foolish even to back this pony, they may find themselves on a wild ride aboard a rogue mustang that leads that untethered ugly will of the people on a rampage.
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        • Author by Who? What? When? Where? Why? How? (September 05, 2010 4:08 pm ET)
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          There is the danger that she's doesn't sell out her people if and when she's elected -- that she does exacts revenge wholeheartedly. But that would take real commitment to something besides herself. It also would require TRUE courage. I see neither in her. Not to say that she wouldn't do great damage to the country as a whole. She almost certainly would, but not in the way Hitler did to Germany. I'm not endorsing her as the liberals' last best hope, just suggesting circumspection as to what the fundamental problem is, as I see it.

          Beck is similar to her in this regard. He seems to be likewise self-oriented generally, greedy. He's also a fake populist who crowds the field to prevent the emergence of a REAL populist from the right. And if a real one were to emerge he'd probably seem to be a much better person than either Beck or Palin. And he/she likely would be a better person -- in a sense. But that's the one who would actually have the commitment and courage to take revenge. It's a dilemma. A good honest right-wing populist takes revenge, but may very well do good things otherwise for the country overall. The fake populist gets bought off, but drives the country further into the hole.
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          • Author by epkklk851 (September 05, 2010 4:55 pm ET)
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            Well, when you put it that way, I agree. Yes, Simple Sarah is lacking in commitment and courage. There is a screen capture of her at a website called Rethug.com that has her screaming "Look, Shiny object! Yaaaaay!!!" Beckie has the same problem. Giving them good public coverage is the worst thing that can happen to them. The fringe will love it, but the middle and left will be disgusted and turn away. I saw a video on Salon where a men were told that Glenn had called the President a racist, one of them said he hadn't heard him say that, the other got irrate, denied it and walked away. We're in a very iffy place right now. I've never been this uncertain about the future.
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      • Author by Disputed Zone (September 05, 2010 3:23 pm ET)
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        Beck, Palin and Limbaugh are a problem for the GOP. They hurt the GOP with moderates of all stripes, as well as some traditional conservatives.

        They are also a strength of the Republicans, inflaming anti-Democratic passions, which, as you said, seems to be all they have. But I don't think that's enough.

        They might still prevail, though, if they also have an effective propaganda machine, a neutered mainstream media, a milquetoast opposition, and economic conditions were as tough as they've been in generations.

        Heaven help us.
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        • Author by bintx (September 07, 2010 9:10 am ET)
             
          Beck, Palin and Limbaugh are a problem for the GOP. They hurt the GOP with moderates of all stripes, as well as some traditional conservatives.


          Exactly and the reason they hurt the GOP is that they do not represent conservatism. They turn off true conservatives and moderates with their dishonest and hatred.
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    • Author by Martha (September 05, 2010 2:37 pm ET)
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      Beck may have to "step down" from his "leadership" role;

      Now HOW on earth will Beck defend himself for being portrayed as a cult follower and false prophet, after all, Keller IS a bona fide Evangelistic, at ground zero going after Muslims.

      That IS FOX's audience, right wing, born again Evangelists..

      I've been waiting for this, because ALL Evangelists think that Mormonism is a "cult" and will take you straight to hell just as fast as being a Muslim.

      I was rather surprised when Beck took this on BECAUSE he is a Mormon and just as surprised that the teabaggers haven't gone after him before now.


      It's the War of the Wackos, grab your popcorn!
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Ground zero church launches with anti-Muslim, anti-Mormon sermon
      Extremist pastor opens ground zero church by denouncing Glenn Beck and Imam Rauf as false prophets


      To an audience of about 50 people -- fully half of whom were members of the press -- Pastor Bill Keller launched his 9-11 Christian Center at Ground Zero this morning with a fiery sermon targeting Muslims and Mormons as hell-bound followers of false faiths.

      Keller took aim in particular at Glenn Beck, a Mormon, and Imam Rauf, the organizer of the Park51 Islamic community center.

      http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/09/05/911_christian_center_inaugural
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    • Author by 4teepee (September 05, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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      Interestingly, though, the far right could not stop John McCain from getting the Republican nomination. But they may be more powerful now.
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      • Author by Disputed Zone (September 05, 2010 4:08 pm ET)
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        Except for Giuliani, there was an inverse relationship between how far right the candidate was and how well they did in the Republican primary.
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      • Author by Treulos (September 05, 2010 6:07 pm ET)
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        Problem was that the far right was too focused on attacking Romney, which allowed McCain to sneak through. They were also pretty disillusioned and bruised from Bush's horrendous 2nd term.

        This time around, they don't have a Bush holding them back. Rather than being a apologetic about the actions of one very visible politician, they can just attack, attack, attack--which is what they are undeniably best at.

        They're also united by displaced rage at being in such a marginalized state. I truly hope that the Right is so insane that they'll abandon all political pragmatism in pursuit of electing a purist candidate. It may work out well in 2010, but I'm predicting an absolute dissolution of the GOP in 2012 and 2014 if they stay this way. No independent in their right mind would touch them in the general election.
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        • Author by Bongo Fury (September 06, 2010 12:23 am ET)
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          There's always the SCOTUS.They've done everything they can to make sure corporations sway elections.
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    • Author by little poncho (September 06, 2010 9:58 am ET)
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      ms.beckie, has a problem, (MENTAL) and a lot of it!!!!!!!!!
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