Beck sub Glover: Burning the Koran issue "is very similar to building the mosque on Ground Zero"
September 08, 2010 11:44 am ET
From the September 8 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:
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Both of these protests are endangering the safety of our troops . . . they don't care. They've been whipped into a frenzy by Fox and, in the case of the good "pastor," GREED. This is a book promo along the same lines as Beck's very thinly veiled book promo for "The Plan."
You have to let that pastor commit this foul, abhorrent deed but then call him out on it. Chastise him and his followers and show the world that you don't condone these actions but despite it you don't encroach on fundamental freedoms of the individual.
In the Park51 case people will eventual adjust and get used to it.
In this Pastor's case hopefully he gets run out of town for his hate.
not going to cower in fear over their threats... Jurisprudence is not cowering.
Is burning the Koran offensive? Yes but it's also protected free speech. No one is questioning his legal right, only his judgment. I can burn a flag at a VFW rally - doesn't mean someone won't beat the sh!t out of me when I do. Acts that provocate for the sake of provocation are stupid.
his right to be an offensive a-hole His exercise thereof may get people (including himself) killed, his church attacked, etc.
I expect that our military, law enforcement, and justice system will respond in kind if this goes forth and there are retaliatory violent acts. But the corellary is for a local Mosque to have a Burn the Bible day - tell me that wouldn't provoke potentially violent responses. It is religiously intolerant and inherently dangerous (not to mention pointless).
Adherence means I would do what Islam prescribes for a follower if offended or affronted.
I never said Jones can't do what he proposes to do, only that he shouldn't. And I condone no acts of violence against him (or anyone else) if he proceeds.
As for the "they" in your post, who are you referring to: All Muslims, American Muslims, American Muslims serving in our Armed Service, or just the radical jihadists? Who pray tell are you OK with offending? And for what purpose?
In this case a Muslim has zero right to take action against this man or anybody who burns a Koran if they claim that the reason they're doing so is because it's against Allah's will to burn the book. That's denying freedoms for others based on their beliefs, which is not 'tolerance'.
Now, if they ask the guy not to do it, or condemn it as senseless because it will upset people, then yes, that's asking for tolerance. The very MOMENT that you or anybody claims as their justification for their actions against you a tenet of their religion that you yourself don't hold, they're demanding (implicitly) your adherence to their way.
By 'they' I mean the radical Muslims I referred to in my original post. The people who threatened to kill the Danish cartoonist and Salman Rushdie and the one who did kill Theo Van Gogh. Those who are threatening to kill because one American is planning on doing something that almost no one else in the country agrees with.
Where did I suggest that you were saying that Jones can't do what he proposes?
In each case, the connection of the book to the event is tenuous.
You either do not understand the issue being discussed here, or you're intentionally trying to cloud the issue with false analogies and comparisons. You can't honestly be trying to claim that the two documents you've cited are in any way religious, because NObody could be that mind-blowingly ignorant.
"Although Kyoto was the atomic bomb Target Committee's number one target choice, Stimson did not want Kyoto bombed because that former capital city of Japan was now a Japanese cultural and religious center. He felt that bombing Kyoto would increase the likelihood that Japan would be driven into Russia's arms after the war"
HENRY STIMSON'S DIARY AND PAPERS:
Part 5
May 31, 1945 - June 6, 1945
YOU are trying to claim that the issue is deliberate destruction of something culturally valuable. The actual issue is something that transcends a single culture (as the word is defined and used) and affects many people from many cultures all over the planet.
Destroying something specific to a culture may indeed provoke a response. But trying to claim that just because there's a response from it, that means it's the same issue as destroying something religious is being purposefully obtuse.
TLDR: Don't claim that a culturally significant thing being destroyed is the same as a religious thing being destroyed, because it's not. While a religious thing can indeed be culturally significant to people, the major religions at the moment are of many cultures, not simply one.
Gee, I hope they don't get a ticket...
I caught a bit of Sean Hannity's radio show yesterday, and he was carefully setting the table. He had on some Muslim guy who was supporting the guys right to burn the Koran. Hannity and the other guest ( that Jay Sekulow from the wingnut pretend civil rights/law center) were both opposing it.
Hannity, as usual, kept repeating a catch phrase to hypnotize his listeners, this time it was "unnecessary provocation", chanted as continuously as "unrepentant terrorist", "deficits as far as the eye can see", "great specificity and detail" or "in the pew for 20 years".
Interestingly, during the several minutes I listened to, I didn't hear a single mention of the obviously related Park 51 story.
I'm going to have to listen to some of Hannity's show today, just to see if there are any callers who are surprised at the connection that will most likely be made today. I predict;
" Atta Boy Sean, you're the only honest journalist out there. You've been very consistent in criticizing and opposing both of these identical issues".
Easiest job in the world, those righty cult leaders.
Only in South Glennbeckistan would that be true.
Thank you. Fox may now resume their normal idiocy.
Building a community center, 2 blocks from GZ, is not even remotely the same.
Terry Jones is a fascist masquerading as a "Man of God". Does he have a right to burn books? Sure, and I have the right to point out that he's a f***ing Neanderthal, and the people who go to his church are idiots if this doesn't drive them away.
I wonder, will Moses Beck condemn this? Will this fall into the category of "corrupting" a church? Teaching social justice is destroying society, but burning books is a fine American Tradition?
What planet do these people come from?
This nutter fill-in happens to be from the STL Area's Teabagger Radio 97.1 FM.
Is building the Islamic center within 2 blocks of ground zero legal? Yes (In a building that sustained damage that day by falling pieces of building and AIRCRAFT. Should they do it? NO.
That is the correlation. The differences between what is legally right and what is morally right.
Personally I couldn't care less about the feelings of the Muslims. Try taking a bible into a Muslim country. Do you think you would find Gideon bibles in hotel rooms in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia? They consider it an offense punishable by death. Ask Christian missionaries in Africa who risk death by Muslim warlords who target Christians.
But hey, don't want to offend anyone though! Ask Obama why he cancelled the National Day of Prayer this year???
Why should anyone be looking for a bible in a hotel to begin with? You won't find them in hotels in Europe either.
The difference is, the people are building Park 51 because they want to build a community center. Why shouldn't they?
The Nazi Numbnuts Preacher burning the books is doing it as a deliberate gesture of hatred and bigotry.
That's the f***ing difference.
Burning the Koran is a protest of that religion's right to exist in this country and is more akin to the protest of the Park51 community center.
I want one of you idiots who keep posting the CRAP about Muslim countries not allowing Christianity and Bibles in their countries to explain to me why the HELL you want THIS country to be like a bunch of theocratic nations? I'm a Christian, but I can almost bet you that we don't share the same Christian beliefs. Are you going to tell me that my beliefs don't have a place in this country because they disagree with yours? Go read the Constitution, with specific attention to the First Amendment.
Oh, that the President did NOT cancel the National Day of Prayer, which, I might add, is NOT a Christian Day of Prayer. The only President who ever had a regular observation of it was GWB and he did it for effect. BTW, one court has already determined that it is unconstitutional . . . it is currently on appeal.