Limbaugh says the "nags" at the National Organization for Women are "a bunch of whores to liberalism"
October 14, 2010 2:13 pm ET
From the October 14 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
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poor apology by brown on that one.
If you're Rush Limbaugh, what's not to like about whores? They work for a living, offering a needed service in a bipartisan manner, have plenty of hands-on experience and -- best of all -- don't contribute to the wussification of America.
Can someone please explain this to me?
And not a liberal, either. That's not an invitation for the inevitable liberal pile-on. I want a CONSERVATIVE to tell me why this guy should keep his job. I want a CONSERVATIVE to come in actually try to defend this monster. Come on, guys! THIS is your spokesman. THIS is your VOICE.
Come on in and tell me why anyone should listen to this $h!tstain.
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Absolutely disgusting.
Say something "offensive" about Jews? (Thomas, Sanchez): YOU'RE FIRED. (Although I don't either of their remarks were actually OFFENSIVE.)
Say something offensive about Gays? (Savage): YOU'RE FIRED.
Say something offensive about Blacks? (Imus): YOU'RE FIRED.
AND I'M OK WITH ALL THAT! That's all exactly as it should be.
By why should ANYONE filling that same role as a PUBLIC FIGURE weighing in on our POLITICAL DISCOURSE, be allowed to say something every bit as offensive about WOMEN and (you watch...) get a pass for it?
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What does he have to say to get in trouble? "C*nt$?"
I could say the same to you: If you don;'t like what I post, don;'t read it. Don't reply.
But I won't say that. EVER. Becasue (1) you have a right to and (2) unlike Limbaugh, I appreciate a strong, principled opposition. It makes life interesting, and makes this while debate worthwhile.
So can it with the "ignore him" stuff. That's just telling me to "shut up" basically.
Here's ANOTHER WAY to look at it:
We're saying teh same thing. Only you're saying to me, and I'm saying it to THE MARKET. To THE COUNTRY. We CHOULD ignore him, in the way I'M suggesting. We DON'T, so he's releavant.
But saying that to just one offended person? That's just being dismissive. And I can't believ you won;t concede the point here!
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I mean... WHORES? REALLY?!
I have my problems with NOW, but I can articulate this without calling them "whores". In that same vain, I would never call for them to be silenced, on the contrary I would be outraged if anybody did.
Remember, the radio does have an off button.
Also... OT, but: Why are Corporations allowed to "speak" with their dollars, but if Private Citizens organize to do the same - speak with THEIR dollars - that's somehow a 1st Ammendment issue?
In the words of Clarence Thomas (not that I'm the least bit an admirer of Clarence Thomas!):
"Something has gone seriously awry with [these people's] interpretation of the Constitution."
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You're being a drama queen.
And if they offend you? Organize a boycott. That's your right. Highlight their comments. Tell your friends. Show how offensive they are. Write their sponsors. The [sad] fact is that it will probably get more traction that trying to bring any presure on Limbaugh due to this.
Now I watch Olbermann and Maddow. Not ALL THE TIME, mind you, often but fairly irregularly. I've heard them call INDIVIDUAL Conservtaives "hypocrties," (after presetning evidence) "liars," (after presetning evidence) and various otehr terms that question their intelligence... after presetning evidence. They've also said thing about the more extreme elements of the Right... AFTER PRESERNTING EVIDENCE.
So so you know what I say to your "offense?"
TRUTH HURTS, DON'T IT? Boo-frickin'-hoo.
Will you say the same about Limabugh, calling feminists, in general, "WHORES?"
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In the words of Jules Winfield, "I DARE YOU! I DOUBLE DARE YOU MOTHERF---ER!"
Truth? Nope, far from it. I have many reasoned arguments for my beliefs and one of them is that I would never boycott Oberlmann because he has every right to be on the air, state his opinion, and earn a living.
I don't understand the whole "truth hurts, don't it, boo frickin hoo" thing, because that's what you are doing when you call for anybody to boycotted and shut down.
Maybe Limbaugh has facts and arguments too. Just because you don't agree with them, doesn't mean they aren't valid.
I've gone on record many times saying how Rush should tone it down, he does take it too far.
Free speech? Good luck with that.
Racism? Hey dude, that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. The alternative explanation is stupidity.
As for me diasgree with him? It ain't a matter of OPINION, dude. Not when he has his facts wrong as often as he does. How often is THAT? Well, there's this website you should check out.
And bottom line? "Teabagger" is not as offensive as "whore." Not by a damned sight.
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Ask half of our society
His facts and the left's facts are always in contention, its called perspective.
I am not trying to say one thing is worse than other, I could care less about being called a teabagger, but being called a racist, that offends me to the tenth degree. Just as bad as "whore".
And this thing about facts...I didn't have any corporation call me or pay me to attend any of Tea Party, but that is a so called "fact" that has been extended by left wing media.
I guess my check is still in the mail.
I offered that as an alternative explanation to "racist" and I did so AS A GENRAL RESPONSE to those who whine about being called "racists."
I couldn't possibly have been talking about YOU criticisng Obama, because I've never replied to one of you're posts critcising Obama, and I've certainly never called you racist. Why don't you click the link? There's more detail.
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Dude, you're welcome to attack me all you like. We BOTH have that right. The day I get bothered by you attacking me? Fine, I'm a hypocrite. That doesn't mean we can't find each otehr offensive. It'll happnen. I'll guarentee it! And how is that in anyway relevant to my finginding Rush's mysogynistic generalizatons offensive?
His facts and the left's facts are always in contention, its called perspective.
WRONG! His JUDGEMENT and the Left's JUDGEMENT are what's in contention. Teh reason his JUDGEMENT is "wrong" is because he's DEMONSTRABLY WRONG on the FACTS.
I am not trying to say one thing is worse than other, I could care less about being called a teabagger, but being called a racist, that offends me to the tenth degree. Just as bad as "whore".
You're entitled to your opinon, but I've never called you a racist and I never will. I just don;t roll that way. I think you guys WHINE about it a bit too much. But you'll never hear ME call YOU a racist, unless it's very clear-cut jsutified.
And this thing about facts...I didn't have any corporation call me or pay me to attend any of Tea Party, but that is a so called "fact" that has been extended by left wing media.
Ummm... WHAT "Left Wing Media?"
Second... I seriosuly doubt that they claoimed YOU were paid. The FACT is that the Tea party started with big time corporate money, orginially in opposition to health care refoim. It grew out of that, and MANY of THOSE PEOPLE were PAID. Since then. it has benefited from disproportinate coverage by the CORPORATE media. Those two FACTS are not in contention.
I guess my check is still in the mail.
No. I'll grant you that it is not.
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Happy now?
I look forward to future debates.
Truly and sincerely...
This has nothing to do with "differing opinions,"it has to do with lies and incitement of fear, hate and anger.
This isn't about freedom of speech.
You'll be hard-pressed to find a stronger defender of free speech than me. I'll see your "KKK" and "Nazi" nonsense and raise you a FRED PHELPS, and a piece I recently penned in his defense, even as it made me sick to do so.
You say, "Criticsm of Limbaugh is fine," but that's my point: They're ISN'T any! Or at least not nearly enough, relative to his long history of remarks such as these!
We citiznes are also allowed to speak as well you know. We are allowed to speak with our MONEY. And we are not required, by the Constitution or anything else, to continute to support HIS SALARY by spending OUR MONEY on products and services offered by HIS SPONSORS.
That's OUR right. The right to RESPOND to this bile. The right to turn off the gravy train. 1st ammendment doesn't guarantee you a SALARY to speech. Free speech is just that: FREE. There's no reason anything "free" should cost $35 Million a year!
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He's not being "silenced" and no one is asking that he be. We're asking that he be IGNORED.
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Why should I "ignore him?" Why should I REMAIN SILENT?!
I HAVE MY FIRST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS TOO, YOU KNOW!
And I'm USING THEM RIGHT NOW!
If I wanted to take a page from you fools' book, I'd say, "STOP TRYING TO SILENCE ME JUST BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU!"
But then... that would be ABSURD.
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Because, as I keep saying, and you lot never seem to understand: THIS IS NOT A 1ST AMMENDMENT ISSUE!
Sorry to lump you in with the hard-right con's. (The "you lot" and "you fool's" stuff.) Had you mixed up with a notehr poster. I'll stand by the rest of it, but the TONE was used with someone else in mind.
So... Sorry about that. My original post get a much larger repsonse than I expected. And I'm havign a hard time keeping everything strait.
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Despite what they tell you, I'm not perfect!
OK, you know what? I don't know how to reply to you anymore, because I'm not even sure I understand what the hell you're talking about.
Seriously.
Like half your replies don't match up to the post you're replying to. And I've seen you make the point this IS a 1st Ammedment issue, and that it ISN'T a 1st Ammedment issue.
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WTF are you talking about?!
Yes indeed there is such a limit. It's called the Free Market. When enough people boycott a show, or it's viewership falls too low, it goes off the air. Period. There isn't anything nefarious or evil about it. Rush Limbaugh is about as central and informative to debates about our culture, politics and economics as 'Cop Rock' was, it's just that far more people realized this far sooner about Cop Rock than they have yet about Rush. Enough people will boycott, or enough people will stop tuning in, and the Radio Network which hosts him will have a choice to make: go in the red funding him, or cut him loose. Taking a tip from Mr. Murdoch, I suspect they will cut him loose. It's all about the money, after all. Right? Yes. Very very very very far right.
And that's the same for Helen Thomas: She wasn't forced out, or prosecuted, by the Gov't, so there was no 1st Ammendment issue there either.
That's not really what I'm asking. What I'm asking is, WHERE IS THE PUBLIC OUTRAGE?
Where is the PUBLIC, MARKET pressure that was brought to bear on not only Thomas, but Rick Sanchez, Don Imus, Mike Savage, Glenn Beck? Why does Limbaugh get a pass? Becuase "at times [he] is thoughtful and different from others"?! You just described.... EVERYBODY! And almost everybody ELSE can make thier "thoughtful" point without calling the moderns Women's movement a "bucnh of whores!"
Where's the PUBLIC outrage? Where's the MARKET pressure?
Fine, you can sargue that Beck, Savage and Imus aren't as "thoughtful," and that can be debated. But actually, even Savage can be go along, making a resonable point and then suddenly go from zero to psychotic in 2.4 seconds. Point is: As "thoughtful" and "different" as he can be, he's still been fired. And in terms of actual contributions to public discourse, I dont think you can reasonably argue that Limbaugh has done more than Helen Thomas, either strait up or releative to his less offensive contemporaries. He's more influential, I'll grant you that, but (as Brian Griffith saud above) Helen Thomas was an award-winnign JOURNALIST. Limbaugh is no more than a provocative bloviator.
And as for having "differences of opininon?" I ain'texactly calling for universal group-think here. If you want to have a thoughful discussion about equality, or a woman's place in society, or of gender roles, or of "women's issues" in general, FINE, we can do that and we can allow a lot of latitude for many different positions that are worth debating. But saying "they're a bunch of WHORES" has NO PLACE in that discussion! That's not an "opinion," it's raw, unadulterated, mysoginistic HATE. And THAT is NOT an "opinion" that we need to (or should) consider, as a society.
I'll finish with this: I used to think he was "thoughful" too, and that he made a lot of good points, despite being a hearltess, abrasive jerk. What I didn't realize, at the time, was just how often, and how eggregiously he was demonstrably LYING. Then, years later, I found this website...
(That, and I aced a graduate-level macro-economics course. That was pretty much the end of the Right, for me!)
He's not "thoughtful," dude. That's nonsense. What he IS, is "good at fooling you." That's it. There's nothing he says that isn't better said by other, far better informed, far more educated, far more intellectually honest, far less offensive people.
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All opinons on the man aside, WHERE IS THE PUBLIC OUTRAGE?! Why should he get keep getting a pass for this?!
Why should he always have his RADIO SHOW?
IOW: Why should I buy products or services from the comapnies that pay his salary?
I know I don't HAVE to listen to him.
What seems lost on you is that I don't have to PAY HIM either.
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And you are not paying him.
So what's the problem?
And the free market dictates that he has more listeners than people who want him off the air, so I guess he gets to keep his radio show.
You buy products. The companies who make those products advertise. If they advertise on a show with which you disagree, you simply inform them you will no longer be using their products, and be sure to tell them exactly why. With enough people making this decision, the free market will correct the situation. The pendulum is always in swing, ConservativeMP. I think we've about reached the limits of hate fueled ignorant AM Radio ranting as a viable sub-culture.
Its not there because not everyone has your hate filled twisted leftist view like you.
I'd say "nice try" but that's seriosuly pathtic, dude.
BTW, EVERYONE? Can I have your attention?
HIGHLIGHTER IS APPARENTLY OK WITH CALLING STRONG, SUCCESSFUL WOMEN "WHORES."
He's saying that's "A-OK!" Apaprently tro think otehrwise makes you a Leftist, Hater!
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Thought you might like to know.
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I'll even give him "Feminazi."
And OT, but "Fruit of Kaboom" might one of be the funniest things I;ve ever heard.
See? I'm not completely heartless. I have a sense of humor.
"WHORES" shoudl trigger a negative market response. That's simply NOT acceptable discourse. Period.
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was that a freudian slip?
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;) LOL
He can do and say whatever he wants, but the 1st Ammendment does not guarantee you a job or a salary for it! If you're organization doesn't endorse the message you're sending out? THEY CAN FIRE YOU! That precedent has BBEN set and even I'm OK with it!
And pparently Clear Channel is OK with calling strong, successful women "whores."
That's their right to. All I'm saying is that every woman, and any men of quality, should be as outraged as we were over Thomas, Sanchez, Slessinger, Imus, Savage or Beck. And we aren't!
You people are here DEFENDING him! And doing so by suggesting my outrage is somehow MISPLACED?
How, exactly?
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What I have seen is that some Conservatives will defend their own at ALL COSTS. And they really don't get the 1st Ammendmemnt AT ALL.
There are far less offensive ways to make a living, even on AM Radio, but Mr. Limbaugh has neither the training nor the education to utilize them. He is an ignorant bigoted little man, and his own mouth will be his downfall.
LOL. That's cold, Tex. Very cold. ;)
Actually, it reminds me of a cartoon I was trying to put together, after I heard that Glen Beck might be going blind...
It had Beck as "see no evil," and Limbaugh as "hear no evil." But I couldn't out who "speak no evil" would be. Then I realized...
THAT WOULD BE A LIBERAL!
(Just not YOU or ME!) ;)
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LOOK FOLKS: HIGHLIGHTER'S DEFENDING THIS! HE MUST THINK IT'S OK!
Girls, be sure to give this fella a call: he thinks it OK to call you a whore when you disagree with him!
Not like he means it LITERALLY though, so I guess that makes it OK, right?
NOT!
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Dude, seriously, put down the shovel.
What Limbaugh is doing here is simple. He's like a little kid that overhears a parent or any adult use a swear word, or a slur, then decides he'll repeat it. And why not? His defense if he gets reprimanded is...hey you, the grownup said it, why can't I?
Limbaugh will repeat the word "whore" until he gets the outrage he's seeking or he gets bored.
Yes, I know this, Derek.
But I think you know what I'm saying here. You can't deny his influence on the Right, the Republicans, and the larger "Conservtaive Movement."
The man farts and half the country moves to the Right.
That may not be a reality that either one of us - me as a left-center guy or you as a right-center guy (correct?) - is happy to acknowledge. But it IS still the reality of it.
I want to know why the GENERAL PUBLIC will keep letting him get away with a comment like this, unscathed. Hey, maybe they won't! But given his LONG history of crap like this, I'm not holding my breath that he'll be held accountable to the same standards as so many others, both greater and lesser than he.
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No public figure should call a Woman's group, "Whores." Why is that any better than calling the NAACP a "bunch of N!gger$?" What's the difference?
When I began posting here five years ago I made the mistake of writing...all Liberals or Liberals & was quickly reminded that I should qualify that to SOME Liberals. So I'm kinda programmed now to point that out when anyone here appears to lump all Conservatives together. But yeah, I know what you meant ;-)
And yeah I consider myself Center-Right.
I know more Conservatives that don't listen to Rush than do. Could be because they're at work & don't have the opportunity or they are simply not interested.
I'm not sure just how much actual influence Limbaugh has over the general public or Cons in particular. I'm of the mind to believe that it's the media that thinks he's a more powerful figure than he really is. And promotes him as such.
As far as this "whore" comment goes....
Again, he's just playing off the recent controversy involving the Brown camp. This is what Limbaugh does.
And as long as he has a large enough audience, & sponsorship, & someone is willing to pay him, I don't see him leaving the airwaves anytime soon.
So all I will say is that, in this instance, I think you are understating his importance and his influence. (For better of worse.) I don't disagree with anything you've SAID, only with your judgement of the man's "importance."
(And if I have to make one more reference to Limbaugh's importance, I'm going to cut my fingers off! LOL)
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As far as Limbaugh's influence/importance goes, I'm probably speaking more from my own personal experience in that I rarely ever come across anyone that mentions him. Sure I hear about him often enough in the media, especially when he's made yet another inflammatory comment. But in my own life, he just doesn't come up in conversation. And even when talking politics with others, it's rare that anyone quotes Limbaugh or touts him as being some sort of an Conservative hero or spokesperson. Not many Liberals I know even bring him up or refer to him as evil.
But of course, he does have a huge national audience, so he does indeed hold sway with them. And certainly is an influence on them.
Now don't go cutting off your fingers! I'd miss your posts.
But: WHERE'S THE NEGATIVE ATTENTION that Limbaugh brings?
WHY, as a SOCIETY, do we tolerate this?!
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That's what I want to know.
And NO ONE, not ONE OF YOU has given me an acceptable answer to that!
Boycotts and public outrage are not suppressions of free speech, they're EXPRESSIONS of it!
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That's what I'M SAYING, with MY 1st AMMENDMENT RIGHTS!
I'll be the frist to say that both Sanchez and Thomas were raked over the coals for relatively innocuous comments.
This comment was downright abusive.
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As you said we should be WILLOWS, not RUBBER TREES!
Now, for you to intentionally call a group of women "whores" is a different matter.
Such a DEFENDER of women.
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Keep up, Slick. You look silly.
Only time Rush ever faced anything close to real consequences. He once even called in live TV Chelsea Clinton, a teenager at the time, a b!tch ("--"Here is a Limbaugh joke: Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?") and not only skirted responsability by blaming his staff for it, but people kept tuning to him...for a while thankfully.
couldn't take a dose of your own medicine?
if you were smart instead of a braindead neanderthal.....you should call rush and tell him to knock this crap off. cause if he can call NOW whores to liberalism.......i and anyone else can call the women of Fixed noise whores to conservatism. give me the thumbs down all you like you gutless coward....wont change the fact that your just being a hypocrite.
~~~Pillboy
She works hard for her money
She works hard for her money
Oh so hard for her money . .
Say again, who's the whore Pillboy???