Beck Responds To NYT Report On Death Threats Against Frances Fox Piven
January 24, 2011 11:21 am ET
From the January 24 edition of Premiere Radio Network's The Glenn Beck Program:
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What a bunch of ignorant, condescending goons.
Also "Some say!?" them making fun of that, that's so ironic it's insane. That's Fox's favorite line.
If you watch, say... Fox & Friends on any morning, when they have interviews or other conversations, or even on news stories themselves, I've all three hosts, Carlson, Kilmeade and Doocy. Say this exact same line.
Whether in any context, the point is, without giving any names or points, they just say that some would say it, while Pat Gray and whoever else is in Beck's studio have a freakin' laugh-in over the New York Times saying that line, verbatim - Fox News, who they've never criticized does the exact same thing.
Also to address your other point. Beck has said absolutely atrocious things about Francis Fox Piven, and then you blame her for getting death threats? If I say, in front of three million people a day. "Doughpro is a scum bag, Doughpro is destroying the republic and will wish the streets in the blood of the innocent." Do you think that people will go to articles about Doughpro and say "Oh what a nice guy; we should have a beer." Do you really think that's how people work?
I'm sure you were trying to paint some sort of distinction between Beck's radio show and his television show, when we all are quite well aware that there is very little.
Glenn Lee beck also uses his radio program as a testing ground material to have on the Glen Beck Program live on Fox.
I often if he/staff reads MMFA or other sites to cherry pick what most bothered members at those sites. beck then re-airs the statements at 5 p.m. for the "I am home now crowd ". Some people say, never waste a good gab/lie at the ones you love !
never waste a good Jab/lie at the ones you love !
I miss posting images... I am better with pictures to express myself, i am not that good/clear with words !
MMFA , Please bring back the use of Images !
Interestingly enough, I haven't had an American doctor since I was a kid. Must be because education and science are for traitors, or something like that.
"I guess it's a good thing that a college education is not needed to become successful, right?"
What was Timothy McVeigh's educational background?
What was Byron William's educational background?
Just judging from the analytic ability exhibited by doughie though, I would not give him good odds for having a high school diploma, let along a college degree.
Although, there are teachers who will just pass poor students on, just to get rid of them.
Thank our failing public school education for that. Rubber rooms and tenure have done wonders for education, haven't they? Lib/prog answer to that? Throw more money at them.
Really? I am not concerned with your opinion of me, the "bozos" in here don't seem to understand much, anyway. Too much dead wood. Judging by most of what I read in here, I get the impression that this place is full of nothing but pot-smoking basement-dwellers. Rarely do I find a logical comment, or a constructive contribution to a discussion.
Now you know how we feel.
And by "poor" I mean performance, not income.
Dogpoo, you are not very bright, are you? Curious was making light of your less than stellar educational background and the chance you were just passed onto the next grade just to get rid of you. He wasnt really suggesting that was the actual case with public education.
"Now you know how we feel."
I doubt anyone here cares much how you feel and what you say cannot possibly hurt anyones feelings here.
There, I fixed it for you. You really need to keep an eye on your own "misinformation".
Is it misinformation when Beck shares Piven's own speeches and quotes?
Telling people to get MAD and ANGRY (Which Beck does on a nightly basis) is not the same as saying "Hey, go and murder that politician I don't like."
Glenn leaves out so much it's unreal but see, he completes his shows sort of like a one-shot comic, you think; "Oh... Well he's done, what a good show. I feel like I learned a lot." But how many of Glenn's fans have actually read Mrs. Piven's work, hardly any, I'd say.
I don't think that those who have witnessed her speeches or have viewed her live interviews really need to read all of her books to get a good idea of what she believes.
Also, I think that you are over-dramatizing his push to "question with boldness" .
She's an OLD WOMAN with NO POWER to do anything. No one is following her agenda. NO ONE.
Beck's fearmongering and targeting of his enemies is dangerous. How many more Democrats have to die?
What the hell are you talking about? Are Beck listeners killing people?
How much time did you spend trying to find that stretch? Keep wasting your time. The dem/progs have always been the party of radicalism and hate, and history shows it.
Where was all the concern and finger-pointing when this happened?
Media chose to hide this one
But i should commend you. You came with perfect timing to repeat Beck's blather. Do you ever have an original thought? He must have brought that up yesterday as any recent information regarding the failed attempt by that schizofrenic anarchist (the extreme fringe of the left, not "dem/progs" as you seem to beleive) is from Blog posts, forums and Fox News, most of them quoting Beck. Conservatives jumped to it to divert any kind of shame or introspection that the Loughner incident may have granted since they were seeing that thier "libs/the left does [uncivil, violent laguage] too" was coming short.
I never heard of her till Beck got her life threatened.
How about the fact that Glenn Beck has made a living getting people to be afraid of "they" or "them?"
How about the fact that Fox has made an artform out of putting question marks at the end of their headlines to absolve them of responsibility for spreading false information because, "they were just asking the question," that, "some people," are asking?
What did the contest, during the summer break in a bar where none of her students could go, have to do with her teaching abilities?
Beck shares Piven's own comments regarding her call to violent riots, and the left blames HIM for any death threats she MAY have received?
Did she file a police report?
People want have said they want to murder the woman--isn't that funny? Beck certainly thinks it is.
Although he never defined who exactly he was talking about, he did condemn them at least once, though here was another opportunity to show a little compassion but he did a u-turn instead.
And he wonders why so few were willing to sign his pledge.
It's funny how the radical Piven is suddenly being deemed a "frail, 78-year-old, knitting grandmother". I wonder how she feels about that description. It's a good thing that most of the internet searching for her was already done before the campaign to soften her image came about.
If you can offer an answer to that, do scroll down a bit and take a peek at what curiousindependent posted; actual threats directed towards Piven that were posted on The Blaze.
Funny or not funny regardless of who they came from? Funny or not funny if they had been directed at Beck? Funny or not funny if they had been directed at you or me?
So, show a little courage and answer the question I've put to you. If those comments were directed at Beck, at me, at you, or anyone else who dared to offer ideas someone didn't agree with, are those comment fair game funny? Something to be brushed off with some over the top laughs? Nothing serious here, folks. Sure, we can find Doughpro Piven's photo online, and post other personal information about him for all to see, but why get upset about it? It's just a blog. Who's going to see it outside of a bunch of other people who have shared fantasies of hanging and shooting?
Do you have a direct link to them?
Nevertheless, a screen shot was taken before they pulled them.
Mind you it only took them something like two weeks to do it . . . y'know after they had been called on it.
You do realize that the Nazis targeted intellectuals as well, don't you?
She is an academic. Her books and articles can be found in libraries around the world. You know what a library is? It is the thing where people used to go to study. She published an article recently, regardless of the attacks on her. There is no campaign to soften her image.
Wow. She published an editorial on what would theoretically have to occur for there to be large scale protests and riots. Nice spin though. You should really try reading the entire article. Do it S--L--O--W--L--Y so that you have a better chance of understanding the gist and intent of the editorial. Perhaps you could get an adult in the house to read it with you and explain the implications.
http://www.thenation.com/article/157292/mobilizing-jobless
The actual article with everything in context, if you wouldn't mind, and not simply something that's been cut, cropped, pasted, and posted on a blog.
A portion of the discussion
The complete discussion
Do you have a problem with the English language? Look up the word "abstract".
I love how you either didn't listen to what you posted, or you just didn't understand it. Of course, the title of that "portion of the discussion", presumably the part that you found so offensive, is likely as far as you got, isn't it? Or are you stupid enough to have actually listened to it and still think that death threats against this woman are warranted?
Nevertheless, the three minute YouTube clip was taken from near the end of one hour and forty two minute of speaking and taking questions from the audience (specifically this comes at about the 1:28:40 mark).
Prior to that she speaks of her concerns and among those were worries that the Bush Tax cuts would be made permanent, and there would come a time when Republicans would make efforts to cut social programs that benefit the poor.
This was in 2004.
Certainly many of her ideas can be debated, but it cannot be denied that she many of the observations she made were correct.
Regardless, I have seen nothing in the clip or the full interview that can justify her being targeted for death--nor anything the could justify Beck's laughing about those reports.
MMFA isn't a news site, highliter.
Beck is basing his slurs of Ms. Piven on attacks made by others in books written 40 years ago. That's why Beck concentrates on "communists" all the time. He's basing his opinions on the opinions of Cleon Skousen, a man that the FBI (his employer) thought was a dangerous lunatic.
Yes but if what he is saying isnt true about her shouldn't MMFA be pointing out his "Misinformation"
See the problem?
Oh they are moking it ohh well that proves it then.
Beck receives death threats every day should MMFA stop complaining about Beck?
Also do you have a source on these daily death threats?
How does it feel to have your response predicted by soze 12 hours in advance?
Beck is laughing at the report that Piven has received death threats. Some of those threats have been posted on the pages of The Blaze.
To the best of my knowledge there have been no death threats posted here towards Beck or anyone else, although I have seen a post that hinted at suicide, and I raised objections towards the person that posted it and reported it as abuse.
But, for the sake of argument, let's say that MMFA were to post a satirical blog entitled, "The Top Ten Funniest Death Threats Against Glenn Beck." Mind you, by the rules of Beck, MMFA isn't writing that material, they would simply be reporting on what others have said.
Are you saying it would be okay for us to laugh at Beck because of the material in that piece? That it would be okay for us to mock him as he mocked Piven if he were to express concern about those threats?
Before you answer do remember this--Beck, with his chortles, certainly seems to be condoning this.
I'll repeat, if you get your "news" from Fox/hate talk radio, you are not keeping up with current events.
I've since read the article in The Nation. Beck twisted Ms. Piven's words to fit his narrative. He is attacking her and the NYT now because they dared to question his violent, inciteful lies. That's what sociopaths do.
Really, doughie, try harder, you're slipping.
He's an authoritarian, un-critical apologist for hate speech and violence against his "enemies". It's actually quite disgusting and un-American.
First off, who better to dispute the claims of Glenn Beck than Mrs.Piven herself. The Interview A great interview with Amy Goodman of Democracy Now!, that should get you started of course.
But! I won't leave you hanging, I'm a better guy than that.
Now, if you'll kindly go to Wikipedia and look here, it seems the article is quite small and the only real criticism that Mrs. Piven has ever received has been from one Glenn Beck, that's because Mrs. Piven is an obscure, not popular figure who is easy to demonize because of her lack of fame.
So, I am disputing Glenn's claim, although I shouldn't have to as you have just as much access to a search engine as I do!
Look, I'm in a good mood, I'll even give you a thumbs up!
Democracy Now is an excellent show, you might not agree with their opinions, but their journalism is top notch and they've done things that the mainstream media could only dream of doing, of course you probably have only heard of Democracy Now in slight whispers below the breaths of the editors of Conservative blogs.
I'm sorry, if you're not even going to listen to the Interview I posted and let Mrs. Piven had 30 minutes then there is no point in debating you at all. Shame.
...says the person defending Glenn Beck.
"from your local liberal-hating, tea-bagging, Glenn Beck fan"?
So actually, yes, they were signed that way.
I've heard that print media is having a tough time competing with web media, but I'd say it's quite a stretch to insinuate that the NY Times is going out of business as a result of that.
Or, maybe you can provide us with the stories you've read or heard that the NY Times is going out of business?
I've heard that print media is having a tough time competing with web media, but I'd say it's quite a stretch to insinuate that the NY Times is going out of business as a result of that.
Or, maybe you can provide us with the stories you've read or heard that the NY Times is going out of business?
You are kidding, right? NY Times has not lost any credibility. They are one of the top three or four most cited news sources in the world. Read the NY Times and tell me how many of their stories where they cite another source, i.e. AP or Reuters for example. Read many major U.S. dailys and they cite among others, the NY Times.
After listening: Bullseye!
First - they go after the "Some people say" that the article uses for its sources (waiting for Beck to denounce F&F for using this sourcing tactic ALL THE TIME)...
Second - It really sounds like a morning zoo show today with his sidekick doing most of the actual deflecting as Beck reads the story...
Third - Massive deflecting (he even invoked SOROS!!!)...
It also sounds like Stu is perpetually stuck in his Miss Piggy impersonation and can't break out of it.
If people are making Death Threats ...THEY MUST BE.. MUST BE .. Liberals trying to bring Mr. Beck down ! Tactics the Liberals learned from Frances Fox Piven! WHO, WHO has called for the Violent over-though over our beloved REpubLIC !
Poor ! Poor ! Glenn Lee beck,.........HA AH HA HA HA HA HA .. cough cough HA HA HA HA !
Think about it: how often do the Beck supporters here invoke the name of George Soros, Van Jones, Francis Fox Piven, Saul Alinsky (not so much anymore, curiously enough), and others? How often did they invoke those names in anger before hearing about them on Glenn Beck? His supporters/followers don't do their own homework (despite their frequent protestations to the contrary) and rarely, if ever, know anything about anything other than what they've heard from Glenn Beck and his ilk.
I'm nearly convinced that these character assassinations by Beck are nothing more than his testing the waters of influence. It pleases him to no end to be mentioned by the NY Times and the other major news networks, because it validates his influence. Getting someone like Van Jones to step down as a result of his incessant rhetoric is a feather in Glenn Beck's cap and he relishes that he was able to influence such an outcome.
What kind of person does such a thing?
Any reasonable person would say, well she is an academic, I might not agree with her, or I dont care what she has to say.
But the response by Beck fans is driven by irrationality and emotions. Beck and the guys working for him can sit back at the end of the day and say: It does work when you push all the right buttons.
I said it much better than my attempt .. A big Thumbs UP !
YOU! said it much better than my attempt .. A big Thumbs UP !
I need a new keyboard .. and learn to read my posts better, before sending !
I go to the Blaze to see what's going on in Beck's circle and there are hundreds if not thousands of comments in every article, some of the worst ones were in a column about Stephen Hawking saying there was no God; the comments were absolutely filthy and downright repugnant in nature; anti-science and murderous, at some points.
This isn't to say that they have control over that sort of thing, we can never control what people will say anonymously on the Internet, that's why I do my best to keep myself tame, but if you will just laugh it off when it's brought up, instead of condemning people who say those sorts of crazy things, that puts a pox on your house, once again -- That is not to say that Beck himself is now endorsing them, just that he allows them to continue their unadulterated hate, paranoia and just plain incivility.
Apparently, though, as long as your post isn't pro-anything Democratic, it will remain.
Thats one thing. The next thing is the reaction on the article. He is still playing psychological tricks instead of simply saying I denounce any thread against Piven. Period and enough said.
He doesnt do it, he makes a joke out of it and doesnt forget to bring in this emotional image of the house.
It is terrible and horrific beyond words.
It is all so funny, isnt it when you read the comments on The Blaze, FoxNation or GlennBeck.com.
Maslowed it, anything will be maslowed by Beck and his guys, again ending with the need for security with the image of the person in his home managing to imply Piven was the intruder with the gun and the criminal outside the house.
Btw, as journalist you invite people to pick up on phrases like some say and sort of. Not a clever choice of word.
Look at that, I'm already doing better work than the New York Times, you don't have to fish very far to find paranoid crap on the Blaze, this is the headline story RIGHT NOW and these are just some of the comments...
Their reaction to cut Piven some slack - keep hitting.
Pretty ugly to see that.
They cant let go of Piven. She is one of the faces that works so well for the purpose of psycholgical manipulation.
He's an IDIOT who should kneel at MurDICK's altar . .
This was written by her last week. The whole article seems to encourage violence. Beck's alerting the public of this undercurrent in the left is not threatening, just illuminating.
Vincent Warren, Executive Director and William Quigley, Legal Director, of the Center for Constitutional Rights.
I don't understand how anyone could misconstrue those posts as anything but the "love and light" messages that they were intended to be.
Here you can read the CCR report, and there are links at the bottom of the page to .pdf files of their letter to Fox, along with Fox's response.
Do you stand by this statement, and can you provide a link to it?
How can the comments be addressed if they cannot be found? How about using the "Report Post" link?
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 11:06am
Why is this piece of human waste, and ALL the others like her still breathing ?Here is one they missed in the purge. My wife is home, so I have to go pay attention to her. Feel free to browse through the rest of the site to see what else they missed while they were purging.
There will probably be all kinds of formating problems, I am not going through and changing all the quotation marks
Here is the one listing her home address
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/frances-fox-piven-rings-in-the-new-year-by-calling-for-violent-revolution/comment-page-13/#comments
Wow, here is one against the grain that hasn’t been purged yet
I include this one simply because it amazes me how wrong these so-called christians can be about their own savior
Another one they missed in the purge
Here is one that seems to be an answer to something that was purged, the posts on either side of it don’t warrant it.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/frances-fox-piven-rings-in-the-new-year-by-calling-for-violent-revolution/comment-page-15/#comments
Here is one that seems to be in answer to the rope one, the rope one seems to have been purged, as well.
Surprisingly, this one hasn’t been purged either. It seems to reference some of the posts quoted in the CCR letter.
Not sure about this one, seems to be in reply to a post I can’t find
Do you actually take this stuff seriously? Do these comments actually make you feel threatened? If so, that is unbelievable. If you choose to go this route with demanding that certain comments be stripped from a website, then be prepared for the road to go both ways. Will the MMFA defense be, "prove that they were actual MMFA people who wrote them"? If that's the case, prove that those who wrote the comments you have chosen to share were not liberal plants, also.
Frances Fox Piven, however, is an old lady whose home address has been posted in the same thread as the threats to her life.
I can't imagine how she would feel threatened by that.
Point me to an MMFA post threatening someone's life or posting their home address, and I will join you in helping to get those posts removed. Again, however, posts on The Blaze that don't agree with the narrative over there, and especially such posts that link to facts to back them up, do not remain posted for long. Odd how actual death threats don't get removed until someone outside the organization or poster community complains.
BTW, you can link to a specific post by clicking on the timestamp and then doing a c&p of the URL that comes up.
Should I go back and do screenshots of the many similar, and sometimes worse, comments on this website and demand that they be "toned down" or "scrubbed"?
If I were you, after reading something like this and then actually listening to the clip, I would be extremely upset that someone I trusted was giving me partial or false information.
How do you feel about that? Do you like being misinformed or even disinformed? Even after seeing and hearing the evidence for yourself, will you still blindly defend the guy who is lying to you with the sole purpose of making you angry with people that you should, instead, consider your countrymen?
The 2 sidekick DOUCSSSHHHHE BAAGS try to YELL OVER each other to see how can KISS doughboys Arse MORE!
How do they sleep at nite???
By using soft pillows stuffed with $100 bills. They do it to keep their jobs. They've sold their souls for a paycheck.
I hope the $100.00 in the pillow are will laundered , if not they tend to be Crunchy, not comfy for sleeping !