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Fox's McGlowan: "That's What Liberals Do. They Do Race-Baiting And Class Warfare"

January 27, 2012 8:17 am ET

From the January 27 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

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Previously:

Carlson Asks If Obama's "Class Warfare Rhetoric" Will "Work" If "The Rich ... Are Already Paying Their Fair Share"

Fox's Steve Doocy: Obama "Has Effectively Launched A Class Warfare Against People Who Make A Lot Of Money"

Fox Again Cries "Class Warfare"

Fox's Race-Baiting "Nation"

Right-Wing Media Defend Herman Cain With Race-Baiting

Is Race Baiting Part of Eric Bolling's Fox News Audition?

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    • Author by Bad News (January 27, 2012 8:29 am ET)
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      It's when a White Governor puts her finger in The 1st Black Presidents Face.
      It's never happened to a White President, so i have to assume it's because of his Race.
      Pointing a Finger in a Black Mans Face? Governor Brewer is saying "you're Black & i'm White.
      Governor Brewer is saying "Take a Stand, Join The Klan", or was she just saying "White is Right?"

      Speak truth to power.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 8:39 am ET)
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        Oh, but don't you know that Obama is thin-skinned and he threatened her! Over on Teh Blahz, they are praising her up one side and down the other! Obama is arrogant and rude because he calmly stood there and took that abuse. Obama was the one who was wrong, it's just proof that he hates America. Obama is the one who made a big deal out of this by whining in the press, don't you know.
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        • Author by Liberal in the South (January 27, 2012 8:44 am ET)
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          I know right, she goes bitc*ing right to Fox about it, grow up. Find a real network to complain to.
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          • Author by grmce (January 27, 2012 10:29 am ET)
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            Didn't anybody tell that vile harpy Brewer that it's rude to point? Isn't she the drongo that finds herself speechless so often - maybe that's what happened, her teleprompter failed and she had to resort to sign language.
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            • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 10:42 am ET)
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              And if you look at all of her interviews on that evening, she's just glowing and giddy like a school girl. Seriously, she looks 10 years yound and very relaxed when she's telling her side of the story, in the same outfit on the same night. She presents him with this note, text available on Teh Blahz, with a flirtatious smile on her face and then goes into the snapping harpy when he asks about her book. The note seems to imply that Obama should request HER assistance in cleaning up the economy because SHE has done such a good job in Arizona. Could it be that the President asked her why he should want to work with her, given how she presented their past interactions and she took offense, both at being rebuffed and called out for trashing him afterwards? She should remember that she is a public figure, if she says something with the camera rolling, it will come back to bite her if she lies.
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            • Author by mari2jj (January 27, 2012 9:20 pm ET)
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              Brewer is the Governor of my state but she is NOT my governor. She is so off the wall and such a disgusting illustration of rudeness and lack of civil discourse. She could have been arrested if she had gone another inch or two towards the President. I doubt I have ever seen such an out of control pol in my life. Well, there was Clinton now that I think of it. But Brewer's obvious racist behavior is bad enough but that she behaved that way to OUR President makes me ashamed of our party. What a disgusting illustration of monstrous behavior she has demonstrated to our youth. I shall not make the same mistake of voting for this disgustingly behaving woman again. For this reason and for many other of her myriad failures. I KNOW we have something better to represent our party!
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          • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (January 27, 2012 6:08 pm ET)
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            That's what CONSERVATIVES do. They do race baiting and class warfare. There I fixed it.
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            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 6:45 pm ET)
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              They also do projection. You'd think they'd be good at it after all their practice.
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              • Author by curiousindependent (January 27, 2012 6:56 pm ET)
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                Well, they actually kinda are, if you think about it. The zombies who lap up this drivel believe every word of it.
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (January 27, 2012 8:45 am ET)
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          Uppity...
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          • Author by heehee..santorum (January 27, 2012 10:49 am ET)
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            heehee..
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          • Author by manofmystique (January 27, 2012 11:34 am ET)
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            Republican­s are full of stunts and deception, everyone knows that. Unfortunat­ely laws are different here in America. Women can confront a man and shake her finger in his face. You act as though Obama should have punched this disrespect­ful woman in the mouth (a private citizen may have). Obama did what any intelligen­t man should do under the circumstan­ces; he dismissed himself (he knew what she was up too).
            This incident was nothing but a ploy designed to belittle the President in the eyes of his distracter­s. Brewer had the nerve to say she felt "threaten" when she was the one who got in his face. Like I said this is nothing but a ploy and It will have no Barings on the President or his standing in the world. I know many people hope it will hurt or weaken the image of the President, but all it does in expose the length Obama haters will go to disparage him.
            Brewer is not only a liar, she is crazy. That is obvious...
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            • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 11:49 am ET)
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              I was watching MSNBC on Wednesday, they were quick to show the picture and raged against her rudeness. The consensus was that the President behaved correctly. He was calm and contained; they spoke about "not punching down" if you are the person in the superior position, as President of the 50 states, he is in the superior position to the Governor of one state. By being calm and contained, by ignoring or downplaying her bad behavior, the President only shows her in a poor light. She gets to use this to appeal to the lowest of her base, and he gets to avoid punching down. In some weird, bizzaro world, it was a win-win scenario, both sides got to count coup.
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        • Author by rms (January 27, 2012 9:35 am ET)
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          Agreed, and if some governor had done the same thing to Ronald Reagan they would have praised her/him for weeks. If a Democrat shouted out "you lie" during one of Reagan's SOTU addresses they would have loudly cheered that expression of freedom of speech. It's a great country!
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        • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 9:41 am ET)
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          I tried to post, well I did post, something anti-Ted Nugent on the Washington Times and I was treated like Ted's underwear during his draft board hearing. How in the world do you go to The Blaze, and do you post any comments when you do?
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          • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 27, 2012 9:55 am ET)
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            WARNING: Do NOT attempt to go read anything on The Blaze unless you're wearing one of these!
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          • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 10:26 am ET)
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            I do post (occasionally) on Teh Blahz, my handle is DesertRose1960, same as I use on HuffPo and what I intended to use here. I try to keep my comments clean and calm. I often turn the comment around and ask how they would like to be treated like that. Additionally, I post facts and links to back-up material. And when someone calls me a name, I don't call it back (but I do a great job at implying their stupidity.) I go for weeks without posting, and sometimes, I don't check back on posts, the energy is so negative and the comments are often so stupid that it just makes me cranky and queasy, so I need to back off.
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            • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 10:30 am ET)
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              Wonder why I don't see your posts on HuffPo, or maybe I do.
              I am front row joe on there, and yes that's a picture of me in front of Obama's Senator office about three months before he was elected.
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              • Author by shaggles (January 27, 2012 11:12 am ET)
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                Probably because every post has 10,000 comments under it. I used to post at HuffPo too but I stopped years ago. Too many blog posts and too many comments to jsut pop in when I have a few minutes of down time at work.
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                • Author by Boswell (January 27, 2012 12:50 pm ET)
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                  I unsubscribed when it was sold to AOL (yuck, spit,yuck) and now when I check back in it is so full of self-starting ad's and videos it bog down my PC and it is just not worth it.
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              • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 11:18 am ET)
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                HuffPo is such a big site and the threads have so many responses that my few posts could easily be overlooked. I use a pink rose as my avatar on Teh Blahz and HuffPo, it's a different rose than this one, but still a pink rose.
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                • Author by dogbreath (January 27, 2012 1:10 pm ET)
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                  I'll look for you epkk. I am Re-thinkit over at HuffPo, which I go to pretty often. I especially like Jason Linkins run-downs of the Sunday morning shows. That is my favorite place to post - pretty consistent group of people. Not like MM, but pretty decent.
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                  • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 5:48 pm ET)
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                    I'll look for you, too. I posted a couple of days ago. I was over on The Blaze today. I was on the teacher thread.
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            • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 10:46 am ET)
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              In the year or so between 9/11 and the Iraq invasion, I was a frequent poster on our local Newspaper Forum. This being a Red State, the forum was dominated by "Conservatives" and their chest-thumping jingoism. Some ware polite, but most of them were quite nasty.

              I made the mistake of using my real name, because I figured nobody would be upset by polite, rational arguments, right? Wrong. I eventually left the forum after being threatened with physical violence, and one especially obnoxious poster said he knew where my child attended school.

              Not long after that, I discovered Media Matters, and haven't looked back. If I seem cynical and unforgiving toward our Troglodyte brethren, that's why.
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              • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 10:50 am ET)
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                That is unconcionable. He should have been reported to the police.
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                • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 11:42 am ET)
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                  Probably. I think I did report him to the moderator, but I didn't stick around to see if anything was done. Amazingly, some of the most caustic posts came from people who claimed to be Born-Again Christians.

                  There's a lot of snarkiness here, but the rage and hatred coming from so-called conservatives on blogs and call-in Talk Radio is something else all together. It's disturbing.
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                  • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 11:49 am ET)
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                    The other day, I was almost run over by a driver that had some sort of anti-choice (abortion) bumper sticker. She gave me the finger even though it was clearly her fault. She also had one of those Jesus fish things. I am sure she was listening to this Christians Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck.
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                    • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 11:54 am ET)
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                      No doubt. I've been almost run off the road by several of those Jesus fish. I don't know this for a fact, but it would stand to reason that the most obnoxious drivers are Republicans.
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (January 27, 2012 12:09 pm ET)
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                        Well, take a look and see what appears in the op-ed page of my daily newspaper - and remember, this is a city with Dennis Kuchinich as our representative.

                        I wanted to email a response to this clown, but honestly didn't know where to begin.


                        Your text to link here...

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                        • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 12:21 pm ET)
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                          Typical Troglodyte hysterics. They simply cannot make a logical argument to support their position.

                          Back in the days before I had internet, I wrote Letters to the Editor. Of course, they required you to give your name and address. I once wrote a letter disagreeing with Jesse Helm's plan to force Gay aids patients to go to the back of the line to get treatment.

                          I received tons of hate mail from "Christians" which wasn't surprising. However, the worst one was an anonymous letter from some rube who claimed to be a physician. He assumed I was gay, and hoped I was anally gang raped and infected with aids.

                          So much love coming from the "Christians".
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                          • Author by dogbreath (January 27, 2012 12:38 pm ET)
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                            I wrote several letters to the editor of The Denver Post and they completely ignored them. Given your experience, nerz, it was probably a good thing - my letter was written in opposition of a new policy passed by one of the local school boards that basically makes the entire public school system into a voucher system. Mind you, these schools are not failing. They are some of the best public schools in the state, if not the country. Over the course of several years, school board has been taken over by the religious right, who want to direct public funds into the coffers of religious schools and charter schools run by right-wing nutjobs. I just breaks my heart that the district that I went to for my education growing up has fallen victim to this political/religious garbage.
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                            • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 1:29 pm ET)
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                              They will deny it, but the whole voucher movement is a backlash against the desegregation of schools, with some anti-evolution sentiment thrown in for cover.

                              All of their talk about extending opportunities to poor kids is absolute bullish*t. Whenever they are asked if the Private schools would be forced to accept any and all applicants, they don't really have an answer.
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                          • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 12:44 pm ET)
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                            They simply cannot make a logical argument to support their position


                            Which is why they're always saying that about liberals. Just as with the class warfare and race-baiting, projection is king.

                            I always enjoy a good debate on abortion with one of the forced-birthers.

                            The argument they have to make; prove that a fetus is a human being.

                            The starting point for their argument; admit that a fetus is a human being.
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                            • Author by politeradical (January 27, 2012 5:21 pm ET)
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                              Hence the "logic" behind Ron Paul's pro-life stance.

                              If they can make the fetus = human leap then outlawing abortion becomes a simple matter of enforcing homicide laws.

                              Paul does a better job than most of divorcing his argument from the religious hysteria and moralizing typically associated with the debate.

                              It doesn't make him any more correct on the matter...
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                              • Author by Rusted Shovels (January 29, 2012 5:15 am ET)
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                                Dr. Paul is pro-life and he does oppose Roe vs. Wade. Dr. Paul believes that the ninth and tenth amendments to the U.S. Constitution do not grant the federal government authority to legalize or ban abortion. Instead, it is up to the individual states to prohibit abortion.

                                If I were choosing an O.B. physician, I would want to know his stand on abortion. I would want a physician who believed my unborn baby was just as important in the womb as the small child holding my hand. If your O.B physician believes in abortion, what makes you believe he will provide the best medical care to your unborn baby? Do you really believe that a physician can seperate the worth of a fetus based solely on the mother's desire to carry it to full term? That's not a chance I would be willing to take.

                                "As an O.B. doctor of thirty years, and having delivered 4,000 babies, I can assure you life begins at conception. I am legally responsible for the unborn, no matter what I do, so there’s a legal life there. The unborn has inheritance rights, and if there’s an injury or a killing, there is a legal entity. There is no doubt about it."

                                The U.S. Constitution works when we follow it. It would be refreshing if people would pick it up and study it before voting in the next election.
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                                • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 5:44 am ET)
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                                  Rusted

                                  Dr Paul is WRONG and doesnt get to tell the SUPREME COURT what the Ninth OR Tenth amendment means. The constitution tasks the SUPREME COURT with just such interpretations
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                                • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 9:07 am ET)
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                                  If your O.B physician believes in abortion, what makes you believe he will provide the best medical care to your unborn baby?


                                  The fact that he's a doctor and not a sociopath and thus understands your attachment to your budding child and his duty to your health?

                                  Do you really believe that a physician can seperate the worth of a fetus based solely on the mother's desire to carry it to full term?


                                  Yes.
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                                • Author by Brabantio (January 29, 2012 9:29 am ET)
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                                  Do you really believe that a physician can seperate the worth of a fetus based solely on the mother's desire to carry it to full term?
                                  The will of the mother is precisely what determines whether the fetus has any worth or not. This is a widely-embraced concept.

                                  The concern seems misguided at best. Professional adults aren't supposed to respect the obvious differences from one person to another, or what? As if someone might say "that woman had an abortion, so I'm assuming every other woman doesn't really want to carry their pregnancies to full term either"?
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                                • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (January 29, 2012 5:40 pm ET)
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                                  If I were choosing an O.B. physician, I would want to know his stand on abortion. I would want a physician who believed my unborn baby was just as important in the womb as the small child holding my hand.

                                  Did YOU notice how many times you stated "I"?

                                  Neither YOU nor Dr. Ron Paul belong in an exam room with ME and MY doctor!

                                  CHOICE is the point!!!
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                            • Author by curiousindependent (January 27, 2012 7:03 pm ET)
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                              I will admit that a fetus is a human being as soon as I can claim it as a dependent on my tax return.

                              My daughter cost me more money during the 9 months of her gestation than she has in ANY 9 month period since she hit air.
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                        • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 12:40 pm ET)
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                          Wow, that is nuts. Obama is shredding the constitution by not tailoring a law to respect an establishment of religion??

                          Even though I don't use my real name here, that is so bad I have to state for the record that I am not related to the writer. ;0)
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                          • Author by MiniTru (January 30, 2012 7:15 am ET)
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                            Even though I don't use my real name here
                            And I've been reading your posts for a long time, Andy, and I hate to say it, but I just got the pun in your handle because you said it wasn't your real name.

                            Sometimes I can be pretty slow.
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                        • Author by politeradical (January 27, 2012 5:10 pm ET)
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                          Couldn't resist foghorn. Google has made signing into forums too damn easy.

                          It's pretty easy to spot the conservative comments: one line posts with horrible spelling and grammar.
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                      • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 12:41 pm ET)
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                        Michigan republicans.
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              • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 11:15 am ET)
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                Jezzus!
                I post, as Jimlol on the Chicago Tribune, a newspaper which has been considered the "conservative" voice of Chicago since its inception. According to most "conservative" republicans, the paper is a bastion of liberalism ever since they endorsed Harold Washington over Bernie Epstein in a mayoral race back in the 80's.

                It is hardly liberal, and yet whenever I post a comment on politics, I get my behind handed to me like some stray cat.
                For instance, the other day, I posted a remark concerning the health of Senator Kirk. I wasn't one of the many who posted things like, "As much as I want to see him get better, I also wish I had his health insurance."
                My post was even more sympathetic and all I said (And I am copy pasting it here) I sincerely wish that Kirk gets better so he can serve his term. He is a reminder that moderation is a good thing for any party (Yeah I know, he ain't THAT moderate, but we gotta give credit where credit is due. He isn't a right wing tool)
                You would've thought I called him the biggest jerk on earth with the hate comments I got from my post.
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                • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 11:52 am ET)
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                  Back around 2003, if you dared question the wisdom of invading Iraq, it was like renouncing your U.S. citizenship. I was called a traitor, coward, terrorist sympathizer, etc. One guy said he hoped Saddam fired a missile up my butt.

                  Oh, it was quite enlightening.
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                  • Author by wizbing (January 27, 2012 12:39 pm ET)
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                    I think we have to face the fact here that many Foxbots and Republican voters show clear signs of mental illness. They are confused, enraged and paranoid.
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                  • Author by dogbreath (January 27, 2012 12:40 pm ET)
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                    Civil discourse in this country is basically a think of the past.
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                  • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 12:45 pm ET)
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                    Makes me glad I live in Chicago where I carried this banner; http://www.flickr.com/photos/slipgrove/2348516377/

                    Sorry I am not sure how to do the hyper link, but the banner is worth checking out. It has Bush Senior morphing into a skeleton, morphing into Saddam. That's me on the far right.
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                    • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 1:33 pm ET)
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                      Thanks for sharing that. Sometimes I fantasize about moving to a Blue State, but I can't really afford to move anywhere right now.
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                      • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 1:45 pm ET)
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                        Chicago is great, especially in the summer, but it can be pricey in comparison to other states/cities.

                        I own my own business and the taxes in Cook County are ridiculous, but at least I can say I am my own boss.
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                      • Author by Liberal in the South (January 27, 2012 3:16 pm ET)
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                        Nerz, Massachusetts is great! Well except for that whole Romney as Governor. I spent my first 25 years there. Mountains, Oceans, Foliage...and a city for domination of sports :)
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                        • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 4:05 pm ET)
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                          I'm ashamed to admit it, but I've never travelled to any of the New England States. I hope to visit someday, even if I can never move there. Vermont sounds really nice.
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                          • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 7:09 pm ET)
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                            I spent three weeks in Boston three years ago, I loved it. My next vacation is going to be taking my husband there. And my mother was from Connecticut, but I haven't been there in 40 years.
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                        • Author by politeradical (January 28, 2012 1:11 am ET)
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                          Grrr Patriots and Bruins

                          /long suffering Philly football and hockey fan
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                    • Author by curiousindependent (January 27, 2012 7:07 pm ET)
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                      Wilson? Is that you?
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                    • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 8:17 pm ET)
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                      Nice banner, Jimjams.

                      Here it is

                      Just copy the url, highlight your text, & click that chain link icon.
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                  • Author by Turkeysocks (January 27, 2012 4:40 pm ET)
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                    In 2004 my government class in High School, we did a project about Presidents, I got stuck with our current President at the time. I tried to be moderate, but there is just wasn't enough "good" things that he's actually did by that time that would balance with all the bad.

                    Part of the assignment we were supposed to have discussed about the scandals and various issues that the presidents had to handle. So of course I had to discuss about the Afghan/Iraq war, and of course I pointed out both the pro/anti-war. At the end, we were supposed to state our own opinion on the particular president we had. And I made my stance very clear, I questioned the decision to go to war, questioned the hasty passage of the patriot act and some of the other things that had happened at that point.

                    My locker was ripped off it's hinges and my books were ripped and spread across the hallway, my jacket was shredded (it was a $50 jacket), and my personal belongings in the locker were either stolen or destroyed. I even had a brick thrown through the back of my car's window and words scratched/spray painted into my car with similar words like you were called Nerzog.

                    I know for a fact that they had a video of who did it and I know who, all six of them. The school did nothing against them and tried to charge me for repairs for the lockers, the replacement books for those that were destroyed and threatened to withhold my diploma/not let me graduate if I didn't pay. My dad was super p1ssed about that but I told my parents to let me handle it.

                    And handle it I did. I didn't play nicely with anyone. I forced the school to retract it's statement, didn't have to pay a cent though the school was rather... unhappy with having to pay for repairs to the car/new paint job and I sent the video of the guys ransacking my locker/car to their respective universities. And they were heading to places like Harvard, MIT, Yale, and a few other ivy league uni's. They apparently didn't take kindly to watching future students ransack and destroy school/personal property.

                    This is why I absolutely hate a lot of right wingers. If they can't win with words, they resort to violence. Not all of them, but most of them will make threats, or if they think they can get away with it, they will assault or destroy personal property.
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                    • Author by mary59 (January 27, 2012 4:52 pm ET)
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                      That's an amazing story and a big high five for how you handled it.

                      What incredible arrogance and stupidity displayed by those 6 individuals, and the fact that they were going to ivy league schools with that kind of contempt for free speech and honest discourse gives one pause.

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                      • Author by Turkeysocks (January 27, 2012 5:09 pm ET)
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                        It wasn't through grades that they got in. They were from well connected families and I understand why the school didn't want to force the issue. But the school blamed me for what was done to me because I did what the teacher wanted us to do.

                        If the school, who knew who did this and decided to sweep it under without trying to penalize me and would've at the very least fixed my car, I wouldn't have done anything. And before anyone says anything, yes I did offer the school and the students a chance to pay for everything that was destroyed/stolen. They chose to act like they were the victims in all this and that they were being treated unfairly.

                        I don't believe in an eye for an eye, but they were willing to mess with my life simply over a disagreement on ideologies essentially.

                        Plus the security guard liked me I hooked him up with some good music, I might be young but I love a lot of old blue eye's songs.
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                        • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 5:41 pm ET)
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                          That's incredibly sad that you had to endure that for expressing an opinion. Interesting that they acted like victims when you exposed what they had done.

                          Sound familiar?

                          Unfortunately, this kind of reactionary behavior is not new. When I was in High School, many years ago, I spent one year at a private school. At the time (1968) Nixon, Wallace and Humphrey were running for president.

                          Since we were in the South, a lot of the boys were for Wallace. When I said I didn't think he'd be a very good President, one boy's response was "You wanna fight?"

                          Troglodytes are timeless.
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                          • Author by Turkeysocks (January 27, 2012 6:39 pm ET)
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                            You can sort of think of them like the kids of the "old boys" families that were the antagonists in a lot of movies set in the South or out West in those 1980 movies.

                            I always tell folks, questioning what your government does based on facts is what our job as citizens should do, not based upon wild accusations.
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                        • Author by juliajayne1 (January 27, 2012 9:52 pm ET)
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                          Turkeysocks, I love Frank myself. Great music is timeless.
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                          • Author by jeter2 (January 27, 2012 10:43 pm ET)
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                            Sinatra's music is timeless. One of my favorites by him is "I'll be seeing you" ;-)

                            I'll be looking at the moon but I'll be seeing you
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                            • Author by Turkeysocks (January 27, 2012 11:35 pm ET)
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                              I always wanted to meet old blue eyes, but then he passed away:( I've been to his grave though.

                              Also, my favorite would have to be "Strangers in the Night"; "Blue Moon", "Love and Marriage", "The Lady is a Tramp", and "Come Fly with Me" those are my top 5 at the moment. My top five changes from monthly to daily, just depends on what kind of mood I'm in.

                              I also enjoy a lot of the Rat Pack songs. I'd have to say Sammy is my favorite in the whole group.
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                              • Author by jeter2 (January 28, 2012 5:48 pm ET)
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                                Turkeysocks, I like Sammy's music too [with the exception of Candy Man...always hated that song], but Sinatra remains my favorite. Enjoyed Dino as well. Really enjoyed the Rat Pack in the original Ocean's 11...though Clooney & Pitt's re-make was good too.
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                            • Author by juliajayne1 (January 28, 2012 8:51 am ET)
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                              Jeter,

                              I'll be looking at the moon but I'll be seeing you

                              That "Old Devil Moon" gets me every time. Sigh...;-)

                              Ella Fitzgerald does a really great job on that song as well.

                              Turkey Socks, a really great Frank CD is "Songs for Swinging Lovers". It's my favorite CD of his. I also like "Luck be a Lady" and "The Lady is a Tramp" though neither is on that CD.
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                              • Author by jeter2 (January 28, 2012 5:39 pm ET)
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                                Hey Miz Julia, my favorite tune by Ella Fitzgerald is one I think she did with Louis Armstrong called A Foggy Day in London Town. I heard that song when I was a kid & it stuck with me.

                                Yeah that old devil moon is still bewitching, eh?
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                                • Author by juliajayne1 (January 28, 2012 7:20 pm ET)
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                                  When the moon hits your eye like a big-a pizza pie, it'a amore!

                                  When the stars make you drool, joosta like pasta fazool, that'a amore!

                                  Wait just a hott second! Why does everything come back to yer GF?! I'm jealous!
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                                  • Author by jeter2 (January 29, 2012 7:02 pm ET)
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                                    As much as I love pasta, I never touch macaroni, it gives me a pounding headache;-)

                                    You, OTOH, only give me heartburn. Ha! Just kidding....don't hit me!!

                                    I wonder if anyone here other than you & me has even a clue what we're talking about...
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                                  • Author by MiniTru (January 30, 2012 7:35 am ET)
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                                    When the moon hits your eye like a big-a pizza pie, it's amore!
                                    When an eel bites your leg, and the pain makes you beg, that's a moray...

                                    (From The Fusco Brothers, years ago. That stuck with me, too)
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                        • Author by politeradical (January 28, 2012 1:16 am ET)
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                          Sorry that happened Turkeysocks. Good for you for handling like you did.

                          Right wing bullies make lousy victims. Just like that pompous toad who got outraged that someone would dare bring up his serial adultery and sordid marital history.
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                        • Author by grmce (January 28, 2012 9:59 pm ET)
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                          Ah, those universities give precedence to "the cream" - thick and rich.
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                    • Author by Turkeysocks (January 29, 2012 2:09 pm ET)
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                      A silent naysayer I see. Well I just posted this not so people will "feel sorry" for me. It happened, I took care of it.

                      I've told people about this to show what happened to me. And I'm not the only one, I've told this to a lot of people and a number of them have told me incidents that happened to them or a friend that were similar to mine.

                      Today's political climate has gotten toxic on the right. Their policy has become a "Do as I say or else" thought process. I won't say they lie, because they use something that really did happen, and then they twist it, and they keep twisting it until it's in a form that doesn't even resemble the actual truth.

                      I've gotten off easy compared to others. I've heard of people getting the crap beat out of them for speaking out against the Bush administration. I've heard of people who dissented against the right have their info spread over the net and then get prank phone calls, death threats, etc. etc.. I've even heard of a kid in middle school who said Bush was a criminal and the worst president in modern US history, was jumped by a bunch of right wing kids ranging from middle to high school age, pelting him with hundreds of rounds of paint balls, stripping him naked and made him walk home like that.

                      Stuff like that is rarely seen on the news, it's hushed up and ignored by the locals. Why? Well mostly because the "leaders" where this happen are on the right, and do use this sort of vitriol talk that when a child hears it, thinks it gives them the right to do whatever they want to anyone that can be called a "libul" "communist" "socialist" "traitor" and any other label that the right likes to stick onto those who refuse to follow lock step with them. Because this is the type of "actions" that the right quietly approves of. So far most of these incidents haven't been deadly, mostly to emasculate and make people fear them. But as we've seen in history countless times, if we allow people like this to continue doing whatever they want, it will become deadly. It probably already has!

                      A New York Times Reporter wrote back in 1938:
                      “When and if fascism comes to America it will not be labeled ‘made in Germany’; it will not be marked with a swastika; it will not even be called fascism; it will be called, of course, ‘Americanism’”
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                • Author by Imbecile (January 27, 2012 7:46 pm ET)
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                  You can find me using the same nick on the Tribune site. And yeah, it's like that place is only populated by racist and gun nuts.

                  There was that one guy posting on the Sen. Kirk story deriding everyone who said, "I'm liberal, but I hope he gets well soon" by saying stuff like, "Why bring politics into this. You libs yada yada yada...."
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              • Author by Boswell (January 27, 2012 12:52 pm ET)
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                same thing happens on sfgate (San Francisco Chronicle), and the mods there will ban you if you post anything that is not rabidly anti-OWS. so don't feel bad about your local one.
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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (January 27, 2012 6:03 pm ET)
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          "That's what CONSERVATIVES do.They do Race Baiting and Class Warfare". There I fixed it.
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      • Author by panzer (January 27, 2012 9:40 am ET)
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        The left is desperate to tell us how Brewer was racist and going after poor little Obama. Of course, that doesn't agree with how Obama described the incident. On ABC he said "this was really not a big deal. She wanted to give me a letter, asking for a meeting. and I said, 'We'd be happy to meet'".
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        • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 27, 2012 9:45 am ET)
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          What exactly did he do that made her feel 'threatened'? I mean, of course, besides standing there and being all black and sh!t.
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          • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 9:54 am ET)
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            That is what I'd like to know as well.
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          • Author by panzer (January 27, 2012 9:57 am ET)
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            I don't know. Why don't you ask her?
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            • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 27, 2012 10:01 am ET)
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              You are obviously trying to deny there was any racist element to her comments about what happened. You seem to be following Brewers tack so I'm just wondering if you saw something that the rest of us didn't.
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              • Author by Imbecile (January 27, 2012 10:06 am ET)
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                Do you honestly expect a guy who named himself after a nazi war tank to acknowledge any specific racist incident occurring?
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                • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 27, 2012 10:07 am ET)
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                  LOL No.
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                • Author by CatsRBigLuv (January 28, 2012 2:37 am ET)
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                  Do you honestly expect a guy who named himself after a nazi war tank to acknowledge any specific racist incident occurring?


                  LOL!!! Good one!

                  You nailed down Panzer to a tee!!! I think you may even have shocked and shamed him into shutting up! (but thats assuming Panzer is aware enough to catch the stark irony that he himself embodies.)

                  He will probably just use a sock to make the same arguments.

                  Still, i just love how you nailed that one square on the head.

                  cheers!
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            • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 10:03 am ET)
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              This is typical panzy the LIAR. Start the thread with a provocative, insulting, blatantly stupid post attacking and telling lies about the left then go into full morontroll mode pretending to be so nice and asking pathetically stupid questions that show he is too stupid to be believed. Dragging things out like the straight up troll he is
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            • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 10:03 am ET)
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              I believe the question is in regards to what she could have possibly been threatened by. It does come off as a little strange to say you felt threatened if he didn't do anything intimidating. If she's that scared of men in general, why? And if not, then she's a racist.

              Any thoughts? Or is that expecting too much?
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              • Author by thaneb (January 27, 2012 10:18 am ET)
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                A cogent reply from this tank? You must be kidding.
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              • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 10:56 am ET)
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                WAY TOO MUCH! Panzy is a drive-by troll. Tosses out some Roger Ailes/Frank Luntz horse hockey and walks away when challenged.
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              • Author by jeter2 (January 27, 2012 4:47 pm ET)
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                "I felt a little bit threatened, if you will, in the attitude that he had, because I was there to welcome him," (her quote)

                Unless President Obama uttered something under his breath about doing her harm, which of course is ridiculous, then she has some splaining to do about why she felt threatened.

                In every photo I’ve seen he looks cool & calm, despite having her finger in his face.
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                • Author by juliajayne1 (January 27, 2012 5:54 pm ET)
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                  What do you utter under your breath when you give someone the finger, slick? Ha! ;-)

                  Hi Jeter honey!!
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                  • Author by jeter2 (January 27, 2012 10:36 pm ET)
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                    Hey purty lady...& speaking of purty, I like the new gravatar :-)

                    You know, I can't recall the last time I even gave someone the finger, though I know I've uttered "fvck you" at folks quite frequently under my breath, so it amounts to basically same thing, eh? Ha!

                    Mmmmm....now I'm not one who usually notices or makes mention of them down thumbs, but I have to wonder if the pasta is boiling over? Hehehe.
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                    • Author by juliajayne1 (January 27, 2012 11:20 pm ET)
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                      Thanks loverly. I'm thinking of changing it to something more colorful though. Me in the animal print, per'aps? ;-0)

                      Yeah, someone is making a pasta fagioli of themselves with the thumbs. Or am I just being fusilli in saying that? Ha!

                      Missed you.
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                      • Author by jeter2 (January 28, 2012 5:52 pm ET)
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                        Ha! Love the Seinfeld references ;-)

                        I think any photo of yourself that you use as your gravatar would be hott :-)

                        Missed you too.
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                        • Author by juliajayne1 (January 29, 2012 6:37 pm ET)
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                          Pssst, do you have a fave pic? Just wonderin'. ;-)
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                          • Author by juliajayne1 (January 29, 2012 6:39 pm ET)
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                            Well, answer me somewhere else if'n you can't get back before the thread closes tomorrow morning.
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                          • Author by jeter2 (January 29, 2012 7:13 pm ET)
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                            Aw don't make me choose. I like them all. I think the one you're using now is really nice....especially magnified ;-)

                            I still can't believe I almost made you put a stick in those beautiful eyes :-/
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                            • Author by juliajayne1 (January 29, 2012 8:52 pm ET)
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                              Eyes purty! Lol!

                              Actually I like the one I'm using now, 'ceptin I can't find myself as well as when I had the shell. Don't be surprised if you spy another me in the next week or so if I take to experimentin'.

                              Did you like the Seal song? My "is forced to watch tv for a living" husband type said he split with Heidi. TMZ - the bane of his existence, doncha know!

                              Was I too hard (on) you? I hadda put on in parenthesis since this thing said I was using profanity! ;-)

                              Yeah, who knows if anyone knows what weeze talkin' aboot above. Well someone does... It's fun regardless, eh? And yes. I used fusilli just fer you, Jerry ;-)

                              Signed, your loony Lainey (Elaine) Lol!
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            • Author by SMTDL (January 27, 2012 11:28 am ET)
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              She was speaking about the President of the United Sttaes!Don't you think she should have explained what made her feel threatened.Secret Service and others were right there,it was outside with cameras.She had met the President before.WHY would she feel threatened.!?He gave some push back because of the big difference bewteen the book and what she told reporters right after the meeting she wrote about.Sounds like she was being defensive!Has she explained why the two accounts are so different!?
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              • Author by chuckie (January 27, 2012 12:05 pm ET)
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                Now be fair. He probably said something about I'll meet with you after my meeting with Seal Team 6 and she took that as a threat.
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                • Author by chuckie (January 27, 2012 12:07 pm ET)
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                  And that was after he had poked his head at her finger.
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                  • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 12:47 pm ET)
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                    Which she probably found threatening due to... ummm... its threatening nappiness.
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                    • Author by foole (January 27, 2012 12:51 pm ET)
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                      She was badly frightened by a 3-D movie when she was younger. Anytime anyone shoves their head at her finger it makes her nervous.
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              • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 9:30 pm ET)
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                She didn't write this book. She has neither the intellect or education to have written a book.
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        • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 9:46 am ET)
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          panzy

          You are a LIAR. You are always desperate to tell lies and anytime you begin a thought telling us anything about liberals a LIE is inevitably to follow. Why do you lie so much? You are like McGowan and a whole lot of the righwing wing. You are a liar and telling constant lies is just what you do. This is your life punk and if you arent careful this is all you will ever be a lying, ignorant, brainwashed piece of garbage
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        • Author by mcbane (January 27, 2012 9:54 am ET)
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          Who is this left? Are you referring to the all powerful left wing media? Or are you referring to Bad News^? Is Bad News the desperate left? Cause that dude just writes bad poetry.
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        • Author by Imbecile (January 27, 2012 10:05 am ET)
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          I agree. I don't think it was racist at all. In fact, I bet that envelope contained a secret, coded treasure map showing the locations of all the decapitated heads in the Arizona desert that the loopy governor insisted were out there.

          She's was just upset because she feels so passionately about the decapitated bodies she claimed where strewn across the desert floor and the president just walked away.

          Actually, she's a hero for standing up for all those decapitated victims whose heads are scattered among the saguaro cacti.
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        • Author by wenfen (January 27, 2012 10:14 am ET)
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          Because Obama has way too much class to give that Beotch the attention she obviously craves. He simply doesn't have the time for that trifling little old lady. He's got better things to do.
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        • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 10:32 am ET)
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          I would not claim that it was race based (necessarily). However, I would call it rude and disrespectful regardless of to whom she was speaking and unbelievably so given it was the POTUS. For whatever reason (race or just plain arrogance), GOPers seem to think that the President is not entitled to the respect of his office. This diminishes the office in general. I hear conservative media complaining about wanting "their America" back. Why don't you start by showing the respect that the office of the President should command?
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        • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 10:35 am ET)
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          The Right is desperate to use Brewer's rudeness to a sitting President to show this as an example of HIS arrogance and tyranny. The President was doing her a favor in describing this as no big deal. She was the one who was lying and whining about being picked on and misunderstood within hours of the incident. It is on her behalf that the Rightwing Blogosphere is still spinning her bad behavior into some sort of gutsy move against an evil, angry Black man. She was by her own words calm and gracious and SHE doesn't remember putting her finger in his face, she was just talking with her hands. (I've spoken with my hands since I was a baby, my father credited it to my French grandmother. I have RARELY wagged a finger in anyone's face, EVER. But when I have, I was really annoyed and anything but calm, gracious, and respectful.) I have, however, had fingers wagged in my face more than once, I reacted pretty much as the President did, calmly, and it really raises the hackles of a harpy when you do that.
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          • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 12:54 pm ET)
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            First of all, I've seen a few people who are, IMO, being a little too outraged about Brewer's behavior. It was disrespectful, but just like the guy who yelled "You lie!", it only makes her look childish and nutty.

            But the response from right wingers is just weird. Brewer was the one who described the president as "thin skinned", simply for telling her she misrepresented something in her book. Yesterday, I saw a post on facebook about this, and the person who put it up added a comment like " Obama is thin-skinned?? Hmmm, not surprising"

            As if Brewer's description was a fact.

            Before I even saw images, I heard accounts on the radio that made it seem as if the president was being confrontational. I heard "heated discussion" several times, but from everything I've seen, he was the calm adult, and Brewer was the unhinged loon.
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            • Author by Turkeysocks (January 27, 2012 4:53 pm ET)
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              One of my "acquaintances" on Facebook responded to this on a FB posting by a friend of mine who questioned Brewer's actions. The "acquaintance" was very... colorful with his speech about how Obama is the most raciest president in history, how he lies cheats and steals from the people and my personal favorite, how Obama is destroying the constitution. He then claimed that if Obama won the election, it would be rigged.

              I am personally with many of you, I don't think what Brewer did was "raciest", but it was extremely rude how she acted towards him when he called her out on how she wrote those specific parts in her book.
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        • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 27, 2012 10:45 am ET)
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          NOPE.
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          • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 10:58 am ET)
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            Good article
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            • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 27, 2012 11:18 am ET)
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              Ain't it though? It's in line with several other studies, all of which have concluded:


                Conservatives are motivated by fear
                Conservatives have an enlarged amygdala
                Conservatives are confounded by complexity
                Conservatives have undersized prefrontal cortexes
                Conservatives need authority figures to tell them what to do and whom to hate.


              In short, conservatives are bigoted, bedwetting simpletons who need a daddy figure to make them feel safe by directing their unfocused rage against someone who's different and therefore terrifying.
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              • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 11:33 am ET)
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                Conservatives conserve nothing and waste everything.
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                • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 27, 2012 11:54 am ET)
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                  Well, they conserve white priviledge. They conserve old ways of thinking that no longer work in the modern age. They conserve tax breaks for the wealthy. They conserve a bottom class of workers who provide cheap unskilled labor. They conserve great hatreds against cultures they don't understand. They conserve the dominance of the military-industrial complex.

                  I don't know what you're talking about, Jimijams. Seems to me that conservatives conserve quite a few things....
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                • Author by chuckie (January 27, 2012 12:27 pm ET)
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                  Well, based on the 'conservatives' here, they obviously conserve brain power (as in don't use it)
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                  • Author by curiousindependent (January 27, 2012 7:20 pm ET)
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                    They aren't conserving it. They simply don't have it to begin with.

                    They are using every watt at their disposal.
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              • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 12:57 pm ET)
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                I sent the same link to my mom the other day and her response was:
                "Add in the other statistic that liberals are less likely to procreate and the prospect becomes terrifying."
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          • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 2:31 pm ET)
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            Some would say that article is race baiting.
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            • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 2:54 pm ET)
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              Too bad Jimmy/ WingBot 1.0 isn't here. He likes to "LOL" at scientific research and studies, and call them "liberal nonsense". That always makes my day.
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              • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 27, 2012 4:51 pm ET)
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                He likes to "LOL" at scientific research
                Reminds me off an investigative piece I saw recently. It was with regard to a cold remedy called "Cold FX". Their spkesperson is canadian hockey icon Don Cherry. He's informed that study of Cold FX showed the company was making some false claims about their product. Cherry replies with (paraphrase) "I use it. My family and friends use and it works. I don't care what scientists say."
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                • Author by mjh (January 27, 2012 7:27 pm ET)
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                  ROFL, that's Don "Grapes" Cherry for you.

                  Must've been the use of that medication that caused him to refer to a Jets asst. coach as "dog food" . . .


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          • Author by curiousindependent (January 27, 2012 7:18 pm ET)
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            Someone once said something to the effect of

            "While it would not be true to say that most conservatives are stupid, it WOULD be true that most stupid people are conservative"

            Seems to fit.
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          • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 9:33 pm ET)
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            I got this e-mailed to me from one of my Republican buddies yesterday. He said, "they didn't have to waste money to prove this. Pretty obvious." LOL!
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        • Author by danielsangeo (January 27, 2012 5:09 pm ET)
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          I don't know who is describing Brewer as racist.
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        • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 9:29 pm ET)
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          Talking points AGAIN, panzer? REALLY? It wasn't just Obama who described it as not being a big deal. It was the press corp. who was standing RIGHT there with them.

          Has nothing to do with "poor little Obama." It has to do with a woman who somebody wrote a book under her name trying to sell said book. This was a pre-arranged setup to promote her book, which by the way, completely misrepresented her previous meeting with the President according to her OWN WORDS following said meeting. Immediately following this staged "confrontation," Brewer appeared on several talk radio shows . . . again, pre-arranged.

          I have not heard a single LEGITIMATE conservative or Republican (two different things) be supportive of this little publicity stunt of Brewer's. One Phoenix newspaper suggested that she was probably "tipsy." Apparently, Ms. Brewer's nickname around the capital is "Otis." You know, Otis, the town drunk on Andy Griffin? I don't know if that's true and don't really care. The one who came off looking like a jackass was Jan Brewer.
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          • Author by grmce (January 28, 2012 10:33 pm ET)
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            Tired and emotional? Jim Forbes back? Unfortunate interaction with cold medicine? The euphemisms are legion.

            As for Ms Brewer, from the little I have seen of her on television I have often felt that something was amiss - you know that feeling you get? Maybe it's time for an intervention.
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      • Author by shaggles (January 27, 2012 11:05 am ET)
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        If a Dem gov did that to Bush the Secret Service would have shot him/her.
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      • Author by cjj (January 27, 2012 5:43 pm ET)
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        Brewer is my Governor (as much as it dismays me to admit it). A poll taken on a local channel in Phoenix said that 78% of respondents thought she was out of control with her behavior with Obama.

        Let's see (I've seen enough interviews but no FUX as I don't have cable--thankfully). Brewer said that he criticized her book and that's when she started "talking with her hands" (something I have never seen her do in all the times I have seen her speak but she claims to do regularly). Brewer says she thinks he's "thin-skinned." When asked about it Obama simply says that it is always good publicity for a Republican when they confront him and it's no big deal. Who's thin-skinned? A president who sits and takes a crazy lady's abuse or a loser Governor who can't take some criticism of her stupid book? (Things haven't been going so well for ol' Jan here in AZ as she is losing a lot of her battles with the courts lately...my tax dollar at work...thanks for nothing, Jan).

        I'm pretty appalled as Brewer's job is to represent ALL Arizonan's, not just her agenda. Getting in the face of the president over her book? That is private business and she needs to grow up! I'd say she's goin' through menopause but I'm sure she's pretty well too dried out for that already.
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      • Author by mari2jj (January 28, 2012 8:23 pm ET)
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        Thank you for that up to date explanation about exactly what race baiting really is, McGlowan. Now as a Fox viewer so much f the time, I am forced to say Fox is in to obvious class warfare with her definition. Trust me, this came right out of Ms. McGlowen's own word definition. How helpful you have been for all of us floundering for such a precise definition. And apparently my dear, you described yourself. Hmmm!
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      • Author by bemusedly (January 29, 2012 1:37 pm ET)
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        Here's an offer I can refuse:
        Another "poem" from Mr. News.
        Your rhymes are trite, your meter's wack--
        Quit writing these, you clueless hack.

        Speak truth to bad versifiers.
        Mr. Bemusedly
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      • Author by mari2jj (January 29, 2012 9:03 pm ET)
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        Actually, I thought Obama's self control was so admirable when that harridan appearing woman was so inappropriate as she seemed to be lecturing the President of the United States. She just looked out of control and spoiled. But then Jan is my own governor and has continued to be off kilter often lately. She does look very tired and done in. Sadly, all she accomplished with her tissy-fit is to make Obama look like a giant on the control scale. Jan is getting so pitiful. And she said it was about his comments about her book. Last I checked, both Obama and Brewer are free to express their thoughts freely. It seems Obama expressed no anger during her outlandish and inappropriate behavior and then Jan, well, not so much! Remember the problem she had with his behavior (she says) is due to his comments on her book. She cares that much about what he says about something in her book? Thin skinned anyone?
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (January 27, 2012 8:34 am ET)
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      Thank you for your scientific, empiracally-based conclusions, FOX. The poll simply gave people's impressions...a contrary impression from a FOX-head is not a rebuttal.
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      • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 9:01 am ET)
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        I think Retchin is missing the point (surprise, surprise). The poll probably reflects a greater awareness of the issue as a result of the Occupy Movement. The issue is real, but it wasn't on people's minds as much two years ago. We were all still in shock after watching our retirement plans take a nose dive.
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        • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 1:06 pm ET)
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          Exactly, they're not even getting ( deliberately or not) what the survey shows.

          Despite all of the depressing signs of the Idiocracy, this survey shows cause for optimism, some education is taking place. More people have seen the hard facts, graphs showing the wealth gap and a tax system rigged for the elites.

          The dim bulbs at Fox see it as "class conflict on the rise", it's really as you said awareness of the problem.
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    • Author by Liberal in the South (January 27, 2012 8:35 am ET)
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      You forgot socialism and abortions
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (January 27, 2012 8:37 am ET)
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        And George Soros...
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        • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 8:41 am ET)
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          And FEMA camps....
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          • Author by MrPlow99 (January 27, 2012 8:44 am ET)
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            And Wars on Christmas...
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            • Author by IRONY 101 (January 27, 2012 8:45 am ET)
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              And Saul Alinsky...
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            • Author by boxtop (January 27, 2012 11:21 am ET)
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              War on Christmas is real....next.
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              • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 27, 2012 11:30 am ET)
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                You stamped your foot and put your hands on your hips and stuck your tongue out after you wrote that, didn't you? LOL
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              • Author by MidnightWriter (January 27, 2012 11:33 am ET)
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                Yes boxy, and someday soon you'll only be able to celebrate that holiday by hiding in an underground bunker, tossing tinsel over a coat rack, while watching a grainy VCR tape of A Charlie Brown Christmas on a black and white TV set. Booga, booga!

                A Happy National Chocolate Cake Day to you!
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                • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 11:35 am ET)
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                  The Art Carny Santa Clause Twilight Zone episode is much cheerier.
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                • Author by mjh (January 27, 2012 5:21 pm ET)
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                  "A Happy National Chocolate Cake Day to you!"


                  Just found out that's today.

                  Heck -- I thought that was every day . . .

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              • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 11:36 am ET)
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                botox

                STFU. You are a punk. You dont care about Xmas. You dont care about politics. You are a petty, ignorant, petulant child that gets sheer joy out of acting like an annoying four year old. Grow up.
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              • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 11:43 am ET)
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                Except that it isn't.
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              • Author by chuckie (January 27, 2012 12:17 pm ET)
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                War on Christmas is real....STUPID
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              • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 1:31 pm ET)
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                Boxy, didn't you hear? The war is over and Christmas lost. Rudolph, Santa and all of the elves have been indefinitely detained at Gitmo.
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                • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 1:39 pm ET)
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                  Some say Christmas Trees will be outlawed next year.
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                  • Author by Liberal in the South (January 27, 2012 2:08 pm ET)
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                    according to Newt, they'll only be allowed on the moon
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                  • Author by Rusted Shovels (January 29, 2012 3:52 am ET)
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                    No, not the Christmas tree. Remember, the Dept of Ag had the bright idea to appoint a Christmas Tree Promotion Board to run a “program of promotion, research, evaluation, and information designed to strengthen the Christmas tree industry’s position in the marketplace; maintain and expend existing markets for Christmas trees; and to carry out programs, plans, and projects designed to provide maximum benefits to the Christmas tree industry”. And, all it would cost everyone was a mandatory 15 cents per live tree (but, the mandatory 15 cents was NOT a tax!). It was announced on a Tuesday and was laughed out of existance by Wednesday. But, I have faith in the Federal Govt - once they get an idea to create a new tax they will figure out a way to force us to like it no matter what!
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                    • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 5:49 am ET)
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                      Rusted

                      You are a punk and a brainwashed moron. I would go into explaining how your programming is just plain STUPID but we went through this when it actually happened. Just continue to make a fool out of yourself and avail yourself for us to laugh at your abject stupidity.

                      The Christmas tree is in no way Christian anyway. It is a cultural phenomena and is specifically spoken AGAINST in the bible long BEFORE the birth of Christ. My GOD but you are stupid
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                      • Author by Rusted Shovels (January 29, 2012 5:10 pm ET)
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                        You wasted some good name calling bashing something I never mentioned. Where in my post did I associate a Christmas tree with Christianity? Is your response just an example of the "snarkiness" you and Nerzog were discussing above?
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                    • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 9:11 am ET)
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                      Are you forced to buy a natural Christmas tree? If the answer is no, then why do you care. IT was not a tax. It was a fee. A fee to promote a local and national industry (something government should be doing). The fee is in no way different to the deposit you have to pay on glass bottles. The Christmas tree industry is one of the few things we have left and that will never leave. Conservatives love to say how much they love their country. Now when it comes to DOING something for their country and their fellow citizens, that's a whole new different thing.
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                      • Author by juliajayne1 (January 29, 2012 3:42 pm ET)
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                        My live Christmas tree was made in Wisonsin. Probably one of the only USA made products available. I don't know if I paid a fee, but the lovely aroma and not having to assemble a made in China tree whose PVc emits dioxin and other carcinogens into the air would make it worthwhile to pay a small fee.
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                      • Author by Rusted Shovels (January 29, 2012 5:32 pm ET)
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                        NO, Johaely, the Federal Government should NOT be collecting a fee to promote a local and national industry. And, I would think this would especially hold true in Liberal Land, because it wouldn't be FAIR. What about the wreath, tinsel, and glass bulb industries - wouldn't those people feel left out? And, did someone do a study to find out exactly who owns the Christmas Tree businesses? What if we discovered that the majority were owned by white males? Oh, I shudder to think how UNFAIR that would be!
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                        • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 6:46 pm ET)
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                          NO, Johaely, the Federal Government should NOT be collecting a fee to promote a local and national industry.


                          Psst, the fee was not FOR the federal government. Also your wording is quite specific. Would it be OK if it was done by local government? What would be the difference if it were done by the federal or by state government. Also where does that leave tourism? Based on your statement, the Federal Government should not be encouraging people to come and enjoy the beauties of our country.

                          And, I would think this would especially hold true in Liberal Land, because it wouldn't be FAIR.


                          What i snot fair is that American industry is losing to cheap, low quality foreign products. Whatever happened to promoting american businesses.

                          What about the wreath, tinsel, and glass bulb industries - wouldn't those people feel left out? And, did someone do a study to find out exactly who owns the Christmas Tree businesses? What if we discovered that the majority were owned by white males? Oh, I shudder to think how UNFAIR that would be!


                          You are stupid. That's all i have left to say.
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                          • Author by Rusted Shovels (January 30, 2012 2:08 am ET)
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                            Johaely: Psst, the fee was not FOR the federal government.

                            In the Federal Register of November 8, 2011, Acting Administrator of Agricultural Marketing David R. Shipman announced that the Secretary of Agriculture will appoint a Christmas Tree Promotion Board.To pay for the new Federal Christmas tree image improvement and marketing program, the Department of Agriculture imposed a 15-cent fee on all sales of fresh Christmas trees by sellers of more than 500 trees per year (7 CFR 1214.52).

                            Johaely: Also your wording is quite specific. Would it be OK if it was done by local government?

                            Conceptually, yes.

                            Johaely: What would be the difference if it were done by the federal or by state government.

                            Refer to your copy of the U.S. Constitution.

                            Johaely: Also where does that leave tourism?

                            In the hands of state and local governments. Refer to your copy of the U.S. Constitution.

                            Johaely: Based on your statement, the Federal Government should not be encouraging people to come and enjoy the beauties of our country.

                            I don't understand your rationale that a Christmas Tree Board appointed by The Secretary of Agriculture and a mandatory tax on Christmas Trees is "encouraging people to come and enjoy the beauties of our country."

                            Johaely: What is not fair is that American industry is losing to cheap, low quality foreign products. Whatever happened to promoting american businesses.

                            The U.S. Tax Code which is over 70,000 pages in length.

                            Johaely: You are stupid. That's all i have left to say.

                            That's the typical response of someone who wishes the United States to be run on "feelings", instead of following the U.S. Constitution.




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                        • Author by juliajayne1 (January 29, 2012 6:48 pm ET)
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                          I like white males. I also like the sexy black, brown, bright and almost white varieties!

                          It's unfair how appealing these "mens" are. And so many of them reside in Liberal Land where ALL males are sexy as Hell!

                          Now those glass bulb owning males - not sure about them. They might be a skosh shady! But sometimes a lady likes her some shady!
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              • Author by David2012 (January 27, 2012 2:13 pm ET)
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                Happy Holidays, boxtop.
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              • Author by jbrantow (January 27, 2012 3:25 pm ET)
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                Hey Boxhead, If you replace Christmas with "Global Climate Change" you might see what it's like to make a truthful comment. But you'll never experience that feeling.
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              • Author by mjh (January 27, 2012 5:17 pm ET)
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                "War on Christmas is real....next." -- dumberthanboxtop


                I'm going to pose this question again, boxy . . .

                If the right wing persists in using the annual recurrence of winter snowstorms as proof there's no global warming, why can't they use the annual recurrence of the Christmas Holiday itself as proof there's no war on Christmas?


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              • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 9:35 pm ET)
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                Oh, shut up . . . your fake "outrage" over the secular celebration of a Christian holiday is offensive to Christians.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 8:36 am ET)
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      Gee, Angie-baby, what has the President done? Well, he cut payroll taxes when he came into office, my paycheck went up by $7.50 a pay period. He fought for and won a national health insurance policy that did away with exclusion of pre-existing conditions and it allowed young people to stay on their parents' policies until they were 26, three extra years. He wanted to do away with the Bush tax cuts for the very rich, while keeping them for the working folks. He's mentioned that the rich, who have gotten ever more rich over the last thirty years, to pay more of a fair share. He's managed 22 straight months of economic growth and he's brought back 2+ million jobs, some of them in manufacturing, which hadn't happened since 2005. He killed the world's worst terrorist and he brought our troops home from Afghanistan, you know, our service members who are so decidedly Middle Class. I'd have liked to have seen him make single payer insurance and to raise the Capital Gains tax back to the same level as earned income, but hey, he's managed this with solid Republican opposition. Imagine what he could do if he really had some support?
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      • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 8:48 am ET)
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        Yeah, but "some say" he's an avowed Moozlum, and that's enough for the Troglodytes.
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        • Author by cjj (January 27, 2012 5:49 pm ET)
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          No avowed Muslim would allow his wife and daughters to go around without a covered head. No avowed Muslim would eat pork. No avowed Muslim would not drop to his knees in prayer 5 times a day. And most important of all...no avowed Muslim would refer to Christ as Lord and Savior as Obama did at the last Easter Breakfast at the Whitehouse.

          The idiots to which you refer do realize you cannot be born into Christianity, don't they? You have to accept yourself when you come to the age of accountability. I know...rational logic is a hard thing for the righties to deal with...
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          • Author by mjh (January 27, 2012 9:08 pm ET)
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            "No avowed Muslim would allow his wife and daughters to go around without a covered head. No avowed Muslim would eat pork. No avowed Muslim would not drop to his knees in prayer 5 times a day. And most important of all...no avowed Muslim would refer to Christ as Lord and Savior as Obama did at the last Easter Breakfast at the Whitehouse."


            Furthermore, no avowed Muslim would celebrate a Jewish holiday in the White House -- I'd think . . .


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      • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 9:43 am ET)
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        He brought our troops home from Iraq, but I get your point.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 9:55 am ET)
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          Sorry, my work concerns Afghanistan, so I have it on my mind.
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          • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 10:09 am ET)
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            No worries, but do you ever post on The Blaze? I mean I posted something anti Ted Nugent on the Washington Times and I might as well have been Hitler during the 30's (In the bad way we all realize not the great humanitarian that most of the Times readers consider him)
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      • Author by wenfen (January 27, 2012 10:05 am ET)
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        epkkk...

        I wish like crazy that Fox "news" would allow YOU to sit on their stoopid couch and say what you just did...but alas, we know that ain't happenin'. Ever.

        Facts and Fox just won't ever be synonymous.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (January 27, 2012 12:14 pm ET)
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          Thank you, but even though I'm a blonde, I'm not thin or leggy enough even if I was 15 years younger to be selected.
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          • Author by MiG (January 27, 2012 3:44 pm ET)
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            I think your ability to form and convey your opinions based on actual facts from the real World would be the real reason Fox would disqualify you.
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          • Author by grmce (January 28, 2012 10:46 pm ET)
            3  
            I'm not thin or leggy enough even if I was 15 years younger to be selected.
            They could always put you on The Five in Perino's seat - what is the problem with her legs, does she have a self-image problem or are her legs really ugly?
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            • Author by mescal (January 29, 2012 1:18 am ET)
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              Directed to Perino

              What's the ugliest part of your body?

              What's the ugliest part of your body?

              Some say your nose.

              Some say you toes.

              But I think it's your mind.



              Courtesy of Frank Zappa
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              • Author by grmce (January 30, 2012 12:42 am ET)
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                One thing you can't hide is when you're crippled inside.

                Courtesy of John Lennon
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    • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 8:50 am ET)
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      Oh, Angela. So pretty. She could have been a model, but she sold her soul to FOX, so she could pretend to be a pundit.
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    • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 8:56 am ET)
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      It would seem that Token Black Conservative "Pundits" are in high demand on FOX "News" these days, so they can whine about Liberal Race Baiting with a veneer of credibility. Do they get paid more than white "pundits" who are equally dishonest? Is that fair?
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    • Author by MickD (January 27, 2012 9:00 am ET)
      6  
      What do the recovering methadone addicts who write the FoxNoose chyrons mean by "rift" between rich and poor?
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      • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 9:47 am ET)
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        They mean a raft, which is too say a raft floating in their Olympic sized swimming pools.
        Oh Geoffrey! Where is that drink I ordered over 5 minutes ago? Do I have to sit on this raft waiting all day for it?

        For the love of Pete what is the matter with the help these days?
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    • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 9:21 am ET)
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      Not suprising McGlowan because that is what conservatives do. They lie and lie and lie
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    • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 9:37 am ET)
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      Get ready for it; "Class Warfare" will be the signature whine of the Troglodytes for the next few months. It's really the only defense they have against the image of a presidential candidate who shrugs off $300,000 yearly income as "not much money".

      The good thing is that, when they try to label the Obamas as "elitists", we can just laugh at them.
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      • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 9:49 am ET)
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        Yes, MOOChelle with her $4200 "Cocktail" dress. At least that's what "Snerdly" AKA Limbaugh's alter ego, told me yesterday.
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        • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 9:56 am ET)
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          Blimpy probably has a cigar box that costs more than that.
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          • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 10:13 am ET)
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            He might actually have a cigar that costs more than that, which he lights up with a burning Woodrow Wilson $100,000 bill.
            http://kidsspeakforamerica.com/ever-seen-a-100000-bill/
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            • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 10:45 am ET)
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              Trivia question: Why does the US Treasury no longer circulate notes larger that the $100 bill?


              Answer: To make it more difficult to physically move cash to make it more difficult for drug traffickers to transport large amounts cash.
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              • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 11:08 am ET)
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                I thought some of it had to do with counterfeiting as well.
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              • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 11:37 am ET)
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                I have a $5 bill from the late 1880's with an Native American chief on the front.
                No dead presidents were available at that time I guess.
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                • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 11:47 am ET)
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                  I've seen photos of money from that era, and some of it is quite beautiful.

                  Here are some nice bills
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                  • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 11:52 am ET)
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                    On the 1896 five dollar bill, "the entire obverse was covered with artwork representing electricity." The $2 bill offered an image representing science, with youth gracing the $1

                    We don't have bills like that any more because the United States did away with science ages ago. Just ask Santorum, he'll yell ya...I mean tell ya.
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                    • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 12:09 pm ET)
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                      Apparently, these bills were made before the Troglodytes browbeat Congress into plastering "In God We Trust" on all of our money.

                      We were such a heathen nation back then.
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                  • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 1:36 pm ET)
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                    Those bills were part of the "Educational Series". More info can be found HERE
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          • Author by mjh (January 27, 2012 5:29 pm ET)
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            Yes, MOOChelle with her $4200 "Cocktail" dress. At least that's what "Snerdly" AKA Limbaugh's alter ego, told me yesterday.


            "Blimpy probably has a cigar box that costs more than that."


            Only a cigar box? Hell -- Limpballs probably has a dress of his own that costs more than that . . .




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    • Author by manofmystique (January 27, 2012 9:48 am ET)
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      What would you call Ron Paul words in his old Newsletters? How about Newt Gingrich many racial statements about "minorities", including calling the President "a food stamp President"? Then there is Rick Santorum who said he "doesn't want to make black people lives better by taking from [his people]". These comments are far worse than race-baiting (her term, not mine); they are an outright assault on the weak and vulnerable in this society.
      This self-hate barbi-doll wants so badly to be accepted by white people, she is willing to join a lynch-mob against her brothers and sisters.
      Little does she know, white folks at Fox News, who is out to destroy the black President, will never fully accept her, but they will embrace her criticism long as it is directed at her people and Democrats.
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      • Author by Jimijams (January 27, 2012 9:50 am ET)
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        Now now now, Santorum didn't say black, he said bla people.
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      • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 10:04 am ET)
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        The funny thing is, the Troglodytes are throwing around this term "Race baiting", and they obviously don't even know the definition.

        In FOX-Speak, Race-baiting is when a Liberal (especially a Black Liberal) has the audacity to point out when a Conservative is using racist language. It fits right in with their typical blame-the-victim mentality.

        Just as they blame Obama for the irrational behavior of the Trogldodytes since his election.
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        • Author by wookie (January 27, 2012 10:18 am ET)
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          It's sort of like when Newt suggests an open marriage with his latest squeeze and his wife has to go making a conflict out of it.
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          • Author by Boswell (January 27, 2012 1:13 pm ET)
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            and to think Newtie was proposing such a "European" type of thing, so French-like of him. When will O'Lielly announce a boycott of all things Newt?
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        • Author by Chameo (January 27, 2012 5:56 pm ET)
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          Pointing out racism is racist. Responding to race-baiting by pointing out the inherent racism in it is race-baiting. You just need the wingnut dictionary.
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    • Author by Egbert Souse (January 27, 2012 9:50 am ET)
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      "Race-baiting"? Words from a black graduate of the University of Mississippi, no less. This, my chucklehead, is race-baiting.
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    • Author by foole (January 27, 2012 9:53 am ET)
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      So, it was liberals who created this huge inequality in wealth in the U.S.? Damned liberals...taking all the poor peoples money and giving it to the rich people! It really chaps my hide that the damnable liberal hordes are out there race-baiting and sowing seeds of racial unrest! Ever since that great liberal president, Ronald Reagan...wait, I'm confused.
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    • Author by wookie (January 27, 2012 10:06 am ET)
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      It's certainly not as if the Wall Street banks wiped out trillions in middle class wealth through fraud or anything. And as usual Fox asks a super subjective question and then decides on the answer the prefer.
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      • Author by grmce (January 27, 2012 11:11 am ET)
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        The peril of not learning from history is that it bites you on the bum whenever there's a re-run.

        Newsflash: the French Revolution was the uprising of a disenfranchised and exploited middle-class.

        Aux armes citoyens!
        Formez vos bataillons,
        Marchons, marchons!
        Qu'un sang impur
        Abreuve nos sillons
        .
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    • Author by David2012 (January 27, 2012 10:07 am ET)
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      Thank goodness Gretchen was there as an independent. Otherwise this might not have been so fair and balanced.
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    • Author by beDecent (January 27, 2012 10:16 am ET)
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      And this is what neocons do: Projection.
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    • Author by everettbme (January 27, 2012 10:36 am ET)
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      "That's What Liberals Do. They Do Race-Baiting And Class Warfare"


      Did she just say that liberals are like people at fox.
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    • Author by ThomasJH268 (January 27, 2012 10:56 am ET)
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      Doesn't this bimbo know that if it weren't for liberals and "class warfare" she'd be wearing rags and working in a cottonfield in Mississippi somewhere
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      • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 11:11 am ET)
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        That was a double-barrel blast right there.
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      • Author by mcbane (January 27, 2012 11:24 am ET)
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        She could have been featured on this network...
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      • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 11:36 am ET)
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        They have no historical perspective. In the mind of today's Republicans, they are the inheritors of Lincoln's legacy. What they won't admit is that the Republican and Democratic parties swapped identities sometime around the mid Twentieth Century. A comparison of the electoral maps from the late 1800s and 2008 proves it.

        Lincoln could never get the nomination in the current Republican Teabagger Party.
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      • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 11:39 am ET)
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        Actually considering her looks she most likely would have spent a whole lot more time in Masters bedroom than the cottonfields till she lost those looks
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      • Author by PBVV (January 27, 2012 11:42 am ET)
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        Nope, she has not a clue.
        To her young and stupid mind, those pictures of dirt poor black folk wearing rags and working in the fields in the south, in the blazing sun 14 hours a day for a few dollars a day, are from "the olden days"-- the 1950's & 1960's.

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    • Author by shaggles (January 27, 2012 11:20 am ET)
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      Only if race baiting means pointing out when racists say racist things and class warfare means pointing out that the wealthy have hijacked our political system to line their own pockets.
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    • Author by SMTDL (January 27, 2012 11:40 am ET)
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      It gets tired to keep claiminginnocent Republicans are always being charged with racism.Gingrich was blatantly racist throwing the the Food stamp label on this President and never at Bush.He claimed Juan Williams found hard work a distant, unknown concept.He has spoken of the language of the ghetto and never offered to go to Appalachian communities to tell them not to be satisfied with food stamps.Santorum only wanted Black people to get jobs and not other people's money!Limbaugh and others have called the President and Mrs OBama so many racist names,its pathetic.An elected Republican just sent around an email calling for a death prayer.Another just listed the President's assassination as an option for solving Israel's issues.An ex Teaparty candidate even called for killing the whole 1st family!.No need to go on,this crap,this high level disrespect has NEVER been levied at any white President and the level of bigoted commentary towards minorities just keeps getting uglier.No body has to make anything up!The right wing has a racist deck of cards they keep playing!
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    • Author by pete592 (January 27, 2012 11:41 am ET)
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      FoxPAC absolutely loves it when they find people like McGlowan willing come on say things like this. It provides them great cover.
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    • Author by marco21 (January 27, 2012 11:41 am ET)
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      The rhetoric? That rhetoric would be declaring the facts of the income chasm between the haves and the have-nots.
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    • Author by donwelty (January 27, 2012 11:41 am ET)
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      Is there class warfare or just words of class rhetoric?

      Lady, your answer should be something like this:

      The answer is "yes." The republicans have been trying to decrease the influence of the 99%. Occupy Wall Street is a reaction to what has been going on, not a cause. Megan, there is class warfare, and some of the factors in that are the Wall street financial people who have gutted the American economy for their own gain, the governors who want to decrease the power of the unions, and people at Fox whose programming is so biased that it is a propaganda organization. That's what causes the class warfare, although I think that term is inexact and misleading.
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      • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 12:01 pm ET)
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        I think the FOXbots are a little nervous, because we've noticed that most of the money is pooling around the top 1%, with an even heavier concentration at the top .01%.

        Now, they promised us 30 years ago that, if we just let the Corporate Vampires have their way, they'd bless us with jobs and prosperity. It never happened, and most of us want to try different approach. Those at the top, who have amassed great fortunes (like Mitt Romney), will fight tooth and nail to maintain the status quo.

        That's why FOX "News" and Hate Radio were created.
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    • Author by overmars jr. (January 27, 2012 11:50 am ET)
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      And this is what faux-conservatives do: project, project, project.
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    • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 12:08 pm ET)
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      No class warfare at all, nope, none, nada.
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      • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 12:14 pm ET)
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        But everything he said is true. How is that "class warfare"?
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        • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 12:21 pm ET)
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          It is not true, he's trying to make political hay.

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          • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 27, 2012 12:21 pm ET)
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            Did you even watch what you posted? LOL
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            • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 12:31 pm ET)
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              muffie is so bad at what she does. Even the most incompetent troll should have been able to find something about "1% vs. the 99%" or " the rich should pay their fair share", any of those things that the masochistic suckers think are class warfare. They're all over the internets.

              Instead, she finds the president talking about health care and the environment and jobs. We should pay her for failing so mightily.

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              • Author by phlcstgan (January 27, 2012 3:31 pm ET)
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                Remember, it defines "class warfare" as "saying something mean about the people constantly calling you a socialist fascist Muslim Kenyan blackity-black terrorist who also is black".
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            • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 9:39 pm ET)
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              MMFVL aka proudconservative never reads or researches his sources. Nine times out of ten they actually REFUTE what he's attempting to say.

              You know, this is the poster who thought that the Minutemen were BRITISH soldiers.
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              • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 11:36 pm ET)
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                I had a discussion about the Boston Tea party with muffie once, and asked her if she knew what it was about, since she's an admitted teabagger.

                . After stalling for time, and obviously doing a little Googling, she came back with her summary; she boiled it down to "telling KIng George to get his nose out of our business" or something like that. Hilarious.
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          • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 12:23 pm ET)
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            MMMoron

            You are a LIAR it is just that simple
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          • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 12:32 pm ET)
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            Which part isn't true?
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            • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 1:14 pm ET)
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              What part of

              MAKE POLITICAL HAY*

              do you not understand??!!!

              * Completely meaningless phrase used often by Rush Limbaugh, and successfully implanted in muffies malleable little noggin.
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              • Author by juliajayne1 (January 27, 2012 9:41 pm ET)
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                If Obama is making political hay, Muffie uses it to make strawman arguments. Because it's evident she doesn't know what the bale of hay she's talking about. ;-)
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      • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 12:18 pm ET)
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        From the keyboard of evel knabuul,

        MMMoron you are a LIAR and full of LIES. YOU and YOUR repuliCON
        LIARS are FOXBOTS. STFU.

        x's & o's
        evelkanebull


        PS. Lord knows that kanubull has enough to do in mom's basement, wearing only his tightie-whities, so I would save him the trouble of having to add his 2-cents to the dialogue!
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        • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 12:26 pm ET)
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          MMMoron

          You keep projecting your inadequacies on me. You are far too STUPID to ever have a life as good as mine or a job as good as I have. You ARE a liar. That is plain fact. You are a proven liar. You object to being CALLED a liar but you just keep telling lies constantly. If you dont want to be CALLED a liar I have a simple solution. STOP. LYING. My GOD but you are stupid
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        • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 12:31 pm ET)
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          So, is the Troglodyte strategy to label everything Obama says as "Class Warfare"?
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        • Author by Imbecile (January 27, 2012 1:06 pm ET)
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          You know, saying someone lives in their mom's basement has become such a cliched insult that it doesn't even mean anything anymore.

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          • Author by David2012 (January 27, 2012 2:19 pm ET)
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            I believe that is sort of thing that passes for the thrust and parry of witty repartee in right-wing circles, though, Imbecile.

            Fine, mmfvl.

            So's your momma.

            There.
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      • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 27, 2012 12:20 pm ET)
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        Were you trying to make some kind of point with that? Was that somehow supposed to illustrate 'class warfare'? You know it didn't, right?
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        • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 12:37 pm ET)
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          He's president and making statement like this

          “The Republican plan comes down to this, ‘Dirtier air, dirtier water, less people with health insurance.’”


          In this short segment in includes comparisons of wall street wanting no rules, as opposed to his plan, taking away health care for patients, both of which have the tone of rich versus poor. Polluters, rich job creators versus the little guys.

          Besides being falsehoods, it tries to make the case for our class (the good folks) versus them.
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          • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 27, 2012 12:38 pm ET)
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            You're not really clear as to what they mean when they say "class" are you? You really should check out my link below.
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            • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 1:32 pm ET)
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              lib

              Nothing the right hates more than noticing and pointing out REALITY. You call a liar a a liar it is an outrage. You point out blatant stupidity you are being so mean. You point out that Dems attacking Repubs, as if it doesnt happen the other way, is by no rational definition class warfare its a falsehood. Point out the obvious racism within the TeaParty including the well publicized racist signs and connection with known racists you are race baiting. The right must avoid reality at all costs
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          • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 1:09 pm ET)
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            MMMoron

            You are just too stupid and too brainwashed to recognize reality. Isnt it the GOP that is attacking the EPA? Wasnt it them fighting against healthcare reform and attacking Medicare? Even IF we take your ignorant supposition seriously that is an attack on the Republicans how in the WORLD would that qualify as class warfare? When did the GOP represent a certain CLASS? My GOD but you are stupid
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            • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 1:16 pm ET)
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              Maybe muffie believes that The Stupid are a protected class, and feels persecuted.
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              • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 1:24 pm ET)
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                Andy

                That would at least have the benifit of making sense. Not that MMMoron has much experience in making sense. Regurgitation is his strong suit.
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                • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 2:51 pm ET)
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                  I've said it before, and I'm not being facetious, I'm glad that idiots like muffie post comments here. It's one of the reasons I frequent this site more than others with more severe wingnut filters.

                  Because a lot of times, I listen to righty radio or Fox, see the clips here, and there's something missing. They make claims, but don't back them up, they leave me wondering " What the hell are they talking about? Who is dumb enough to believe that talking about reality is class warfare?"

                  That's where the muffies and panzys and donuts come in. They helpfully link to something that has them convinced they're experiencing exactly what the man on the TV told them was happening. It never backs up what they're trying to prove, but it at least gives us a glimpse into their psychoses.

                  It's a service to us, helping to explain the unexplainable, giving us real-life examples for questions like;

                  What sort of troglodyte could find Rush Limbaugh intelligent?

                  What humans find Newt Gingrich an exciting rebel?

                  What type of defective doesn't understand that the Tea Party was a giant corporate scam?

                  They show up, and with their slack jaw hanging open and a string of saliva running down their chin, raise their hands to say " Me !! Me does think these things!!"
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                  • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 3:19 pm ET)
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                    Blimpy Limbaugh quite often demonstrates this phenomenon with his audience. He'll play an audio clip, or make reference to an article, then proceed to lie about what it says. Even if they heard the clip themselves, the audience will accept Blimpy's contradictory version as the truth.

                    It's hard to remain optimistic in the face of such profound, willful stupidity.
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                    • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 3:20 pm ET)
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                      In perfect synchronicity to your claim I give you MMMoron on this thread
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                    • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 3:43 pm ET)
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                      Yeah, that's one of the reasons I listen to Lispy, it's hilarious to hear his dittobots call in, outraged at the straw man Rush created.

                      It's like the president could say " I want everybody to have a fair chance and an opportunity to be successful", and Lispy says " What Obama is really saying is that he wants to take away your money and give it to hip hop thugs on drugs!"

                      And some old lady calls in almost in tears - " I can't believe the uppity man-child is admitting right out that he wants to take my money and give it to his people!!"
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                    • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 3:52 pm ET)
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                      Something else interesting I've noticed over the past few weeks, related to the right wing hypnotism that muffie is afflicted with-

                      I've been watching some of the GOP debates, and listening to righty radio the following day when I have a chance, usually drive time.

                      What I've noticed is, often the candidates(especially newt and Mitt) get away from the moderator's questions quickly, and start bringing up the issues they want to attack their rival with - health care, taxes, investments, etc- topics the moderator may not have even mentioned.

                      But when I hear the callers to wingnut radio the next day, they refer to these specific exchanges, initiated entirely by the candidates, and they're bitching about the media and their "gotcha" questions. I've heard at least five or ten instances of this.

                      They are so programmed that even when a Republican is made to look stupid by the other republican on the stage, they blame the "elite media" host who is sitting passively on the sidelines.
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                      • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 4:12 pm ET)
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                        It's the result of two decades of intensive brainwashing. Whichever Plutocrat bankrolled Blimpy Limbaugh certainly got his money's worth; the stupidification of the Republican Base has been quite thorough, and apparently irreversible.
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          • Author by Johaely (January 27, 2012 1:55 pm ET)
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            You have just admitted that the Republican party is controlled by the interests of the rich if you are declaring partisan criticism ass "warfare". You know, your little whining trick about calling everything said negative about your people "class warfare/playing the race card/media bias" is tiresome. Grow a spine and learn to actually stand up for yourself.
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          • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 2:08 pm ET)
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            MMMoron

            Are you SERIOUSLY making the claim that even MAKING arguments about pollution or healthcare and attacking the GOPS stand on them is class warfare? By that definition, short of just surrendering and aligning behind all Republican positions what would NOT be class warfare?

            You are seriously demented. You are too stupid to even understand the definition of easily defined terms. You are so pathetic and so stupid it defies description
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          • Author by phlcstgan (January 27, 2012 3:16 pm ET)
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            it tries to make the case for our class (the good folks) versus them.

            Which is totally different from talking about how liberals and gay people and Muslims and union members and anyone receiving any kind of public assistance is destroying America, because SHUT UP, that's why.
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          • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 3:22 pm ET)
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            it tries to make the case for our class (the good folks) versus them.

            So, what you're saying is that, when Republican shills on FOX and Hate Radio accuse Democrats of trying to destroy the country, they're engaging in Class Warfare?
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          • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 9:40 pm ET)
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            Wow, phony boy, you really don't understand that what you posted doesn't support what you're saying, do you?
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      • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 12:23 pm ET)
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        MMMoron

        You are a LIAR. Pointing out what is indisputably happening is not class warfare. Only to brainwashed morons like YOU would think that the rights all out attack on the working class is NOT class warfare but pointing out it is happening IS class warfare. You are stupid and thus easily brainwashed
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      • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 27, 2012 12:31 pm ET)
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        You may as well have posted this. It demonstrates 'class warfare' as much as your link.
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      • Author by shaggles (January 27, 2012 12:32 pm ET)
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        What part of that do you think qualifies as class warfare? I'm not seeing it.
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    • Author by Martinking68 (January 27, 2012 12:41 pm ET)
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      Did it ever occur to these nincompoops that the rising conflict between rich and poor is the result of rising income inequality, not rhetoric pointing it out?
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    • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 12:44 pm ET)
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      Here's another example of fairmindedness, telling us what free-thinking Americans believe...
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      • Author by Imbecile (January 27, 2012 1:10 pm ET)
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        There's a story in the Chicago Tribune right now about these three high school kids who lured a black classmate to their house and put a noose around his neck and threatened to lynch him because he was becoming "too friendly" with the sister of one of his attackers.

        Before the comments got turned off, the responses by people were pretty despicable. I spend some time in those comments, and those people making the pretty blatantly racist comments are some of the very same people who were heckling liberals when the Tea Party "kicked you libs butts" in the 2010 midterm.

        So, yeah, I don't think the link you posted is out of line.

        I'd love to hear your take on my experience at the Tribune's web site.
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        • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 1:59 pm ET)
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          Kids doing that is horrible and should be punished.

          You don't see a difference between kids and a representative to congress?
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          • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 2:03 pm ET)
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            A member of the black caucus attacking the INDISPUTABLE racism within the TeaParty with arguably over the top rhetoric. Class warfare. If you are too stupid to see the diffence between THOSE two things then STFU and stop embarassing yourself
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          • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 2:04 pm ET)
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            You really can't see a difference between racism and noticing racism ?
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          • Author by Imbecile (January 27, 2012 2:07 pm ET)
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            Not always.

            But we're talking about the comments to the story, the adults who self-identify as Tea Party making incredibly hateful and racist comments.

            Yeah, it's the Internet and anyone can claim anything they want, but at the same time, the anonymity the Internet provides often allows people to say what they would never say in real life.

            The problem with that is when our leaders become aware of those sentiments and begin to parrot them back in order to curry favor with a segment of the population they think might vote for them.

            So, when a black man says that he's pretty sure the Tea Party wouldn't mind seeing him swinging from a tree, I'm less likely to call that dishonest and race-baiting than when Fox News says liberals race-bait.

            If Fox News can provide evidence where we, as liberals, entice people who would otherwise not say or do racist things if it weren't for our actions, then I'll accept the premise, but the truth is that you can't get someone to act or say racist things unless they already have it in them to do it.

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            • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 2:51 pm ET)
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              There is a very strong undercurrent of racism in the Republican Base. Their elected officials are usually careful not to openly display it in public, but it is there, nonetheless.

              Those of us who live in the South see it firsthand among people we know... sometimes our own relatives. There was a documentary filmed during the 2008 campaign, talking to people who showed up at Republican campaign rallies. It was amazing what some people were willing to say on camera. (The N-word was frequently used) Unless these people were Democratic plants, the Republican Party has some deep-seated issues.

              Of course, this documentary predated the Teabaggers, but we all know where the Teabaggers came from.
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              • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 3:28 pm ET)
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                I live in the south too, Nerz, south of L.A., in the land of Orly Taitz and Dana Rohrabacher.

                This is what a lot of these racists don't understand when they try their playing dumb " What? Me Racist?" act. They may be polite in mixed company, and even as anonymous internet posters if they're trying to create that illusion.

                They watch themselves, using code words and dog whistles, careful not to be too blatant, to keep that plausible deniability.

                But I'm a middle-aged white guy living and working among Republicans and teabaggers. I hear the jokes (When there are no 'others' around), I get the emails, I see the thinly-veiled stuff in facebook postings.

                And people like muffie, in defending this sh*t, don't seem to understand this. They expect us to believe that they're in lockstep with every other right wing meme, but are somehow immune to the race-baiting stuff.

                They don't understand how transparent it is, what an insult to our intelligence it is that they think we don't know more about them than they know themselves.
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                • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 3:56 pm ET)
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                  My brother-in-law is one of them. He'll toss the N-word into a conversation, but he whispers it, and looks around as if to make sure nobody else heard it.

                  I tolerate him because he's my brother-in-law, but I walk away shaking my head, realizing that my world view and his are polar opposites.
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                • Author by grmce (January 27, 2012 11:00 pm ET)
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                  I live in the South too. Southern suburbs of Adelaide, Capital of South Australia. I even played football for South Adelaide.

                  This is where a young newspaper proprietor, Rupert Murdoch, used the power of his one and only newspaper, The News, to take on a racist Establishment on behalf of an itinerant aboriginal labourer who had been "verballed" by the Police and the Crown Prosecutor's Office and was facing the noose.

                  After a furore - one that divided the State and attracted international attention - Rupert Max Stuart's death sentence was commuted by the Playford Government under massive pressure - not the least being that applied by young Rupert Murdoch, at that time a very "hands on" proprietor of his one and only 'paper.

                  These days Rupert Murdoch has reached the dizzying heights of the most reviled media proprietor in the world. Rupert Max Stuart, having been paroled, as an Arrante elder, served from 1998 to 2001 as Chairman of the Central Land Council.

                  I often wonder if today's Rupert Murdoch would personally take on such a case - particularly as it involved the sexual assault and murder of a minor. I know that his national daily The Australian played a major role on behalf of the Indian Doctor, Muhamed Haneef, who was improperly accused and detained following the Glasgow Airport attacks in 2007. Would FNC have taken up such a cause?

                  It's interesting how the respective community standings of the two Ruperts have been reversed.
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                  • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 28, 2012 12:25 pm ET)
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                    We're all in Dixie.

                    Nice story, but brings up a question. Are half of the people down under named Rupert? I thought it was Bruce.
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                    • Author by juliajayne1 (January 28, 2012 4:49 pm ET)
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                      I thought it was Matilda or Olivia. Or Ethan for a male. Cactus Jack from Radio Shack? ;-)
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                      • Author by grmce (January 28, 2012 9:07 pm ET)
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                        Well, there's Davo, Johnno, Thommo, Albo, Kimbo (he's currently our Ambassador to Washington), Simmo, Gezza, Bazza, Chicka, Bluey, Boof, Feathers, ... need I go on.

                        As for the three wheelers - they sometimes talk a foreign language (same words, different meanings).
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              • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 3:39 pm ET)
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                ner,

                So the democrats are just too stupid to keep their thoughts to themselves?

                Here's just one example of the fairmindedness of the those in the left's camp?

                or this gem ....

                I'd say it's the left that is more interested in color before character.

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                • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 3:45 pm ET)
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                  MMMoron

                  For every such example, and Biden is famous for his foot in mouth disease, we could easily come up with TEN from the right. Both of those are DWARFED by the TeaParty signs alone. You KNOW that but then you are a LIAR. Everyone knows that. Ya got nothin. This ALSO has zero to do with class warfare which was your orignal claim. You are a punk. You are stupid beyond any belief. What do you think you accomplish coming here telling lies, getting punked mercilessly, getting your butt handed to you EVERY time.

                  You are an example of the worst, stupidest, and most brainwashed of the right. Any rational conservative would be MORTIFIED to be thought on the same wavelength as you. You are not just an embarassment to our entire species you are an embarassment to any decent conservative anywhere. In short you disgust ALL decent human beings
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                • Author by phlcstgan (January 27, 2012 3:56 pm ET)
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                  Welcome to Conservatardia, when dozens of blatantly racist teaderper signs and remarks don't prove anything, but two gaffes prove that libruls are Teh Real Racists.
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                  • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 11:45 pm ET)
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                    Just dozens of signs? What about the daily content of right wing TV and radio over the past few years, made up of a pretty substantial amount of racism ?

                    Oh, you were being generous. ;0)
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              • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 11:41 pm ET)
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                Speak of the Devil, I turn on Real Time tonight, and I see some fat old dooshbag in a Reyn Spooner shirt and puka shells getting all his facts wrong, but refusing to shut up, in fact getting louder the more wrong he is.

                Yup, through no fault of my own, that's my congressman.
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            • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 3:09 pm ET)
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              We,re talking about a member of congress, leader in the black caucus saying it' s the philosophy of conservatism that wants to see lynching.

              UPDATE: Aug. 31, 6:33 p.m. -- Leaders of the nation's largest tea party organization on Wednesday called on Carson to resign over his remarks.

              "Rep. Carson should immediately resign from Congress. He is clearly not fit to serve," Mark Meckler and Jenny Beth Martin of the Tea Party Patriots said in a statement.

              "This type of disgusting, hateful rhetoric has no place in our political discourse. At a minimum, he should be removed from leadership in the Congressional Black Caucus, and censured by his colleagues. If they refuse to take these actions, they are sending a clear statement to the American public that it is acceptable for 'leaders' in Congress to wantonly accuse their fellow members and the American public of desiring murder," they wrote.

              UPDATE II: Aug. 31, 9:25 p.m. -- Carson said Wednesday that he doesn't regret his comments and doesn't feel he owes anyone an apology.

              "I stand on the truth of what I spoke," he told CNN. "My intentions weren't to hurt anyone or any group. I wanted to speak to the issues that concern me and the philosophical issues that concern me as it relates to certain leadership within the tea party organization, not the entire tea party, but certain elements that have concerned me deeply and for quite some time that I think should really re-evaluate what it means to be an American and we shouldn't go along the path of taking America back to the 'good old days' because those days were not good for everyone."


              When is wanting smaller government equated with lynching?
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              • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 3:19 pm ET)
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                MMMoron

                AGAIN. You are a LIAR. He was railing about the TeaParty. Not the philosophy of conservatism. YOU are stupid enough and brainwashed enough to conflate the two but no rational adult is. Why do you lie so much? Since you cant even BEGIN to make a case for your claims without constant lying even YOU must know you are full of it.

                This whole thing came from YOU, the LIAR, claiming Obama was using class warfare for basically attacking the GOP. A claim so STUPID as to be embarassing. You have since veered away to all kinds of attempts to show class warfare and so far have shown attacks on the TeaParty for the UNDENIABLE racism within it and arguments about pollution and healthcare reform. NOTHING within a parsec of class warfare.

                You are just a LIAR MMMoron. A pitiful, brainwashed LIAR
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                • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 3:21 pm ET)
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                  OOps, you beat me by a few seconds, pointing out the lie in the first sentence. We keep telling these wingnuts, try to be a little clever, hide the lie a few lines in, but they just can't do it.
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                  • Author by Johaely (January 27, 2012 3:25 pm ET)
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                    This whole conversation makes me think of a blog i followed for a short time. It's called "fox news comments". It takes snapshots of the worst comments form Fox News and Fox Nation (Comments with sometimes hundreds of likes or whatever is that they use/used). The reason i stopped following it was because of just how disgusting those comments were. Hell, a third of the comments were in the vein of "uppity N****s keep calling me a racist".
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                    • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 3:36 pm ET)
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                      The proud racists don't come here because the profanity filter limits the racial and ethnic slurs, so this site gets the phony racist-defenders-who-insist-they-hate-racism.

                      I've been disappointed in the past when people have flagged, and had deleted, some of the more flagrant stuff here, sometimes from posters who start out in their "reasonable right winger" costume, and only lose their sh*t after being beat up.

                      I like that stuff, offensive as it might be, to stand. I understand the motive of people wh flag posts, but I think it does the wingnuts a favor to disappear their most unguarded comments.
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                      • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 3:43 pm ET)
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                        Look at the unguarded hatred here... it doesn't come from conservatives.

                        The nastiness of hate, class and creating divides is the offspring of your thought process, not mine.
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                        • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 3:49 pm ET)
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                          MMMoron

                          You are a LIAR. Your constant LIES about the left are all about hatred. Sure you are too stupid to see that but rational humans arent. Look at Katana or BVD, their hatred is as plain as any. Most liberals here are so polite it is a campfire discussion. I am one of the FEW who gets down in the gutter with hateful LIARS like you or alt.

                          You are a LIAR. You havent come within lightyears of showing any class dividing. The hatefullness and nastiness of your constant LIES are not mitigated by your passive aggressive tone. See that kind of thing is good enough to fool brainwashed MORONS like you. Actual adult humans however are not so easily fooled
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                        • Author by Johaely (January 27, 2012 3:50 pm ET)
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                          Says the person who declares (in a very black and white language) how the evil liberals are pitting the good folks against each others. Seriously are you so dense and narcissistic that you can't see the 2x4 in your eye?
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                        • Author by phlcstgan (January 27, 2012 3:50 pm ET)
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                          Look at the unguarded hatred here

                          "Waaaaaah! I acted like a smug d0uche and the mean liberals told me I was a smug d0uche! It's like the Holocaust!"
                          Hatred is bad enough, but UNGUARDED hatred? You monsters.
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                        • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 3:55 pm ET)
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                          You keep telling yourself that, muffie. Maybe swing a shiny pocket watch in front of your face as you repeat it.
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                        • Author by MiG (January 27, 2012 4:15 pm ET)
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                          The nastiness of hate, class and creating divides is the offspring of your thought process, not mine.
                          I am willing to contend that your thought process is incapable of creating anything. It's more likely your lack of such processing that motivates and shapes your posts.
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                        • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 9:52 pm ET)
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                          You don't know the meaning of hatred, phony boy. Disagreement is NOT hatred, nor is ridicule.

                          Hatred is a very strong emotion which usually denotes a harmful action. You have been conditioned to use this word to denote disagreement. The overuse of this word has completely watered it down so that it no longer carries the same meaning.

                          I don't hate you, I don't hate anybody. I disagree with you and feel sorry for you. Why? Because you are so uninformed and misguided. You don't have the critical thinking skills to even understand that you are uninformed and misguided.

                          You're not a conservative, phony boy. You are an authoritarian follower . . . that's all. You are a pawn of folks like Limbaugh and the liars on Fox. They know that you will believe whatever they tell you, even when there is massive amount of evidence to the contrary. You have to . . . your brain will not allow you to believe otherwise.
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                      • Author by Johaely (January 27, 2012 3:44 pm ET)
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                        Sometimes you just need to hope people quote it before it goes away. Most of the blatant racists that come are mostly hit and run (maxconrad/katanakumori) or just plain dense about their racism (altsoba). Most of them have left for good and it seems that the warming phase for new users may have something to do with it.
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                  • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 3:32 pm ET)
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                    Andy

                    MMMoron is such a blatant and unrepetent liar he doesnt even TRY to hide his lies. He just spews them. I mean Rush does it why shouldnt HE get away with it?
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              • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 3:20 pm ET)
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                ...saying it' s the philosophy of conservatism that wants to see lynching.


                No, he didn't say that, you idiot.
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              • Author by Johaely (January 27, 2012 3:20 pm ET)
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                I think it has less to do with "smaller government" than with the attitude some of the tea party has. not going to deny his comments were "out there", but the Tea Party, despite their claims, has had a large amount of condoned racial rhetoric coming from their ranks, either in the form of xenophobia, racist remarks and mails or downright hateful and ignorant comments.
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              • Author by phlcstgan (January 27, 2012 3:22 pm ET)
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                When is wanting smaller government equated with lynching?

                You're right. I'm sure Southerners who participated in lynching positively welcomed federal intervention. I just wish there some kind of historical documentation to confirm that.
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              • Author by Johaely (January 27, 2012 3:22 pm ET)
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                Also your comment is a complete non-sequiter.
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              • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 9:48 pm ET)
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                You really don't understand that the things that you post don't prove your point in the least, do you?

                Your inability to think critically is just astounding.
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            • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 3:16 pm ET)
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              Shockingly, Imbecile, muffie completely missed your point.

              You mentioned an example ( not that any more are needed) of the racism of the Tea party. Since muffie has already convinced herself that this well-documented reality is imaginary, she was unable to process it.

              She imagined you were suffering the same denial and delusions, were conceding that the comments she linked to were unfounded race baiting, and were comparing the behavior of the high-schoolers to the lynching comments.

              That is, she thought you were excusing what she imagines is "racism" ( noticing racism) by holding him to the same standard as high school bigots.

              You need to think like a wingnut sometimes.

              To stress how un-racist she is, she even added a condemnation of the blatant racism of the kids, without commenting on their teabagger supporters. She needs to willfully ignore that reality, in order to remain focused on her fantasy.

              BTW, I always enjoy those strong statements against racism in the abstract, or when perpetrated by those with no clear political affiliation. Bigots actually think it means something to declare proudly " I'm not a bigot", while defending bigotry on a regular basis.

              One of my favorites, at this site years ago, was from a poster with a long history of cluelessness on race. After having the inherent racism in some of his remarks explained to him, he began a post with " I abhor racism...".

              Maybe other people don't find that as funny as I do, the idea that people who exhibit so much racism, or at least a pitiful lack of understanding on racial issues, think that some explicit " I don't like racism" is needed from them.
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          • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 9:46 pm ET)
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            Wow, you just keep making comments which indicate that you really do not have any critical thinking skills at all. The Representative is commenting on the environment which encourages the type of the behavior of these kids. Do you not understand that?
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      • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 1:12 pm ET)
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        MMMoron

        Keep snivelling about the PROVEN racism within the TeaParty. Isnt it SO rude for anyone to notice and point it out? You are pathetic Moron. Stupid, brainwashed and pathetic. Fairmindedness does NOT mean an obligation to IGNORE obvious racism
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    • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 12:51 pm ET)
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      Nothing about warfare here either.....
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      • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 27, 2012 12:55 pm ET)
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        That is also not class warfare. (or any kind of warfare really) Would you care to try again?
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        • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 2:48 pm ET)
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          Class warfare isn't just about social station. When we have politicians, like obama, using their political standing to declare an 'us' or 'them' mentality over issues of health care, taxes, pollution makes rational dialogue impossible.

          Do a google on 'republicans call democrats terrorists' or 'republicans call democrats evil' for example.

          The first 3 pages or so will show how it's only democrats that use those words, not the republicans. Remember when sen shcummer made clear that the only terms acceptable to describe the republicans was to use the term 'extreme' in response to anything proposed.

          When rep. Giffords was shot, it was the left that claimed the right or tea party as ramping up the rhetoric, no matter that the shooter was just a deranged individual. When does the left allow for someone like Clarence Thomas to deserve respect? Usually he's considered to be a number of derogatory terms and it's accepted. When does an elected politician get away say that someone wants to deliberately kill someone or abuse the elderly? It's usually the democrat, as the google searches above have shown, but it's different when you are a democrat in the eyes of the media.

          When you look at how strident the left generally is to oppose compromise, they make most issues an 'either or' that divides along all kinds of lines, class and race included.
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          • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 27, 2012 3:02 pm ET)
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            Are you this dense in real life or is this an act you're putting on especially for us?
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            • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 9:56 pm ET)
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              MMFVL aka proudconservative isn't really dense, he's simply unable to process anything which has not been fed to him by folks he sees as having authority. His brain does not allow him to disagree or refute their blatant lies. He posts their talking points here and believes that he is posting original thought.

              He's an authoritarian follower.
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          • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 3:03 pm ET)
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            MMMoron

            Just as every post you make shows clearly you are a LIAR and you are incredibly stupid. Only Dems call Republicans terrorists or evil? Have you been in a cave in Sri Lanka for the last few decades? You are a LIAR. That is an out and out lie. Flat out, no question any rational adult knows this. You are just brainwashed beyond human comprehension.

            When the Arizona shooting happened it WAS the right talking about second amendment solutions, we came unarmed THIS time and putting targets over democratic districts. AGAIN you wingnuts just cant STAND when reality is noticed and talked about

            When does an elected politician get away say that someone wants to deliberately kill someone or abuse the elderly? It's usually the democrat

            \
            This is a LIE and you are a LIAR. The disconnect with reality here is so complete as to just note and let the stink of the lie infect your entire post. You are just a liar. You lie constantly

            Then you REALLY make the claim that the MEDIA treats Dems who push over the top rhetoric easier than they treat the right when THEY do it? What planet do you live on. You are so stupid you have completely replaced reality with the delusional fantasies you have been brainwashed with.

            You are just a LIAR. After the right has shattered the record for filibusters been purely obstructionist you want to talk about how DEMOCRATS eschew compromise. I know you are stupid but this is just a blatant lie. To pretend for one second the left is more strident when YOUR side is the side of Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage et all is astonishingly dishonest. You are just a liar.

            You keep making the CLAIM it is the Dems dividing but I didnt notice the sort of signs at OWS as blatantly racist as at the TeaParty. I didnt notice the left sending out messages like showing the White House lawn planted with watermelon.

            You are so brainwashed you cannot even recognize reality but worse you are just a LIAR. You just lie constantly because you dont CARE what is true you just want to denigrate the left and if you have to lie to do it that just makes it that much sweeter for you
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          • Author by Johaely (January 27, 2012 3:17 pm ET)
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            When you look at how strident the left generally is to oppose compromise, they make most issues an 'either or' that divides along all kinds of lines, class and race included.


            Are F*king high? You yourself have praised the Republicans for being the party of "hell no!".
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            • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 27, 2012 3:30 pm ET)
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              But that was yesterday.
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            • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 3:44 pm ET)
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              And wasn't it Blimpy who said compromise was unconstitutional?
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            • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 3:46 pm ET)
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              Saying no to expanding government is now racist?
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              • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 3:52 pm ET)
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                MMMoron

                You are pathetic and you have no integrity. You accuse the left of being opposed to compromise then when it is pointed out that even YOU were cheering the rights denial of all compromise you turn it into something about race? Your stupidity is without compare. Your blatant dishonesty is a source of wonder to anyone with an ounce of integrity
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                • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 3:59 pm ET)
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                  The Troglodyte High Council really should issue a Propaganda Standards and Best Practices Manual for their sock puppets. These guys contradict each other and themselves with alarming frequency.
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              • Author by phlcstgan (January 27, 2012 3:53 pm ET)
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                When the government expansion you say no to is integrated schools.
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              • Author by Johaely (January 27, 2012 3:55 pm ET)
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                Did i ever say that?
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                • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 3:59 pm ET)
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                  Jo

                  Of course you didnt. Then again he is a LIAR
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                • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 10:01 pm ET)
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                  No. Doesn't matter to MMFVL aka proudconservative. He has his script which he applies to whatever is said whether it makes sense or not.
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              • Author by 17andLiberal (January 27, 2012 4:06 pm ET)
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                Of course that's not racist. No one said it was racist. Perhaps you need to address whatever issues caused you to immediately jump to race when race what not even hinted at.

                But to say that Democrats are horrible for never compromising (which is a deluded thought in itself) and then immediately move to defending Republican refusal to compromise makes you look irrational and intellectually dishonest (if not intellectually deficient).
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              • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 10:00 pm ET)
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                mmfvl, that has nothing to do with what Johaley said or what you said in your quote. The GOP isn't saying "no," to expanding government, they are saying "no" in order to make sure that Obama is not re-elected. If the GOP really cared about not expanding government, they would have actually said "no" to George W. Bush for the first 6 years of his presidency.

                You are an uninformed talking points parrot who really has no idea what you're talking about. You're simply repeating what you've very carefully been programmed to say. It's pure-d-bull hockey. It has nothing to do with conservatism, either.
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          • Author by phlcstgan (January 27, 2012 3:23 pm ET)
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            When does the left allow for someone like Clarence Thomas to deserve respect?

            When he doesn't ask employees who put this pubic hair on his Coke.
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            • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 3:30 pm ET)
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              How about when he stops cribbing off of Scalia or asks a couple of cogent questions about a case before the court. I.E. when he begins EARNING respect?
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            • Author by Johaely (January 27, 2012 3:33 pm ET)
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              Or when he develops some sense of impartiality, integrity and a personal opinion. The man is the definition of a puppet.
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              • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 4:06 pm ET)
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                Thanks for making my point of creating racial divides as a product of the left.

                Unless you have evidence.

                Like I do......

                These tempests obscure a larger truth about Thomas: that this year has also been, for him, a moment of triumph. In several of the most important areas of constitutional law, Thomas has emerged as an intellectual leader of the Supreme Court. Since the arrival of Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr., in 2005, and Justice Samuel A. Alito, Jr., in 2006, the Court has moved to the right when it comes to the free-speech rights of corporations, the rights of gun owners, and, potentially, the powers of the federal government; in each of these areas, the majority has followed where Thomas has been leading for a decade or more. Rarely has a Supreme Court Justice enjoyed such broad or significant vindication.


                And yet this was a hit piece on Thomas, because he's now a 'silent uncle tom, evile in his non-questioning genius as he moves the court to the intellectual conservative view'.
                How dastardly for an uppity black man....at least according to the left.
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                • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 4:12 pm ET)
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                  MMMoron

                  He didnt prove anything and you didnt have a point. You are just so stupid and so used to being brainwashed you have convinced yourself of something totally imaginary.

                  You are a LIAR. Criticizing a black man because of poor PERFORMANCE isnt racial division. It is recognizing reality.

                  No one I know calls Thomas dastardly, just not a very good justice. You are pathetic and you are a LIAR. Continuing to tell lies and pretend your delusions have any real meaning in the reality based universe just make you look more and more ignorant and more and more pathetic
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                • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 4:25 pm ET)
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                  You think that's a hit piece? Did you even read it? Please find the "hit" and share it with us.

                  We'll be waiting on pins and needles.
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                  • Author by Johaely (January 27, 2012 7:08 pm ET)
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                    It was written in the new yorker. That's all Mr Idiot needs. The words "Uncle Tom" don't even come up.
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                • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 10:03 pm ET)
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                  Where the heck did you come up with this being a "hit piece" on Clarence Thomas?

                  You never read these things, do you?
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                  • Author by mmfvl (January 28, 2012 10:55 pm ET)
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                    binky, jo-jo and nertz,

                    Did you read all 10 pages or just the first page of the link.

                    Reading beyond the first page, the writer tries to now dismiss Thomas as being 'too influential' on other members of the court, especially Kennedy.

                    He wants Thomas to recuse himself from the obamacare case because of his connection to conservatives and his wife's work for the Tea Party. He says that Thomas is rude and disrespectful and wants to reopen the anita hill stuff. Rather than saying Thomas is an intellectual lightweight, he fears his consistency in both intelligent written opinions and ability to convince others of his belief in original-ism in constitutional matters.

                    It's far cry from the old days when people thought he was just Scalia's lackey, this guy knows how he can move this country away from unconstitutional lefty decisions and even undo the stuff done since FDR.

                    My description of how he is now someone to be feared, rather than mocked as just an uncle tom and uppity, according to the leftys, is not a quotation, hence only the ' and not the ", and I guess a bit too nuanced for the 'intellectuals' (notice the ' and not the " marks) to understand.

                    Read the whole article and give an opinion then, especially regarding the special place Thomas has to positively influence the direction of the courts.
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                    • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 6:01 am ET)
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                      MMMoron

                      So then you ADMIT you are a LIAR and there was no calling him an uncle Tom? You are pathetic. At least have the decency to be embarassed by being such a blatant liar.
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                    • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 8:44 am ET)
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                      How is the article tagging him as an uncle Tom or denigrating him because of his race? The only references to race come from him. You state as if "being too influential on other members of the court" is a good thing. What if HE were influenced by the more liberal members?

                      I know you "conservatives" have unbelievably thin skins, but that's called "criticism". Just because you hate liberals and like him does not mean people have to do the same. People have the right to say as they please about who they please.

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                      • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 29, 2012 1:18 pm ET)
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                        Seriousy, I have no idea what muffie thought she was trying to prove with that. Most of the time I can figure out how they're confused, but this one is just bizarre.

                        But I do like the part where muffie chose a part that didn't support her to highlight, and copy and paste here, then blamed other people for focusing on the part she cherry-picked and ignoring the other ten pages that don't make her point.

                        Epic.
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            • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 3:49 pm ET)
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              When he actually deserves respect. We should have listened to Anita Hill.
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          • Author by 17andLiberal (January 27, 2012 4:01 pm ET)
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            You're kidding, right? You have to be kidding. Either that, or you keep mixing up left and right.
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          • Author by mjh (January 27, 2012 6:23 pm ET)
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            "Class warfare isn't just about social station." -- Imatterforverylittle


            1. Please look up the definitions for "class warfare" and "social station"
            2. Then call the fire department; you just self-immolated


            "When we have politicians, like obama, using their political standing to declare an 'us' or 'them' mentality over issues of health care, taxes, pollution makes rational dialogue impossible." -- Imatterforverylittle



            "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists." -- George W. Bush, Nov. 2001


            "When rep. Giffords was shot, it was the left that claimed the right or tea party as ramping up the rhetoric, no matter that the shooter was just a deranged individual." -- Imatterforverylittle



            And they turned out to be right . . .

            And now, I am done responding to muffle for today; dealing with this level of stoopid can have negative effects on physical health and well being, not to mention mental . . .


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            • Author by mmfvl (January 28, 2012 10:05 pm ET)
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              So this had nothing to do with the guy's mental issues? If he had any political inclinations, they were liberal.

              But I'm not going to blames his politics, just that he was mentally ill.
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              • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 5:58 am ET)
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                MMMoron

                You are a LIAR. I cannot get over how consistantly you lie in virtually every post you make. Tell us about how he shot a DEMOCRAT because he was a liberal. My GOD but you are stupid but what is most disgusting is your dishonesty. You are just a pathalogical liar and you dont care. You couldnt care less and knowingly tell lies because they push what you WISH were true. They give you the talking points. You repeat them even after they are shown to be obvious lies. You are pathetic.
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              • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 8:44 am ET)
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                If he had any political inclinations, they were liberal.


                [citation needed]
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          • Author by bilbo_dies (January 27, 2012 9:09 pm ET)
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            When you look at how strident the left generally is to oppose compromise, they make most issues an 'either or' that divides along all kinds of lines, class and race included.

            mmfvl
            Smoking meth is bad for you.
            If you actually have a job please see about using your EAP benefits and get some help.
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          • Author by CatsRBigLuv (January 28, 2012 1:03 am ET)
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            MMFVl,

            Here are some facts you need to get straight.

            You write that-

            When rep. Giffords was shot, it was the left that claimed the right or tea party as ramping up the rhetoric, no matter that the shooter was just a deranged individual.


            Actually kiddo, you have that wrong.

            It was not the left who pointed at the Tea Party, it was Spencer Giffords, Gabbys father.



            The congresswoman’s father Spencer Gifford, 75, was rushing to the hospital when asked if his 40-year-old daughter had any enemies.

            "Yeah," he told The Post. "The whole Tea Party."

            He added that politicians constantly faced danger.
            "They always get threat[ened]," Gifford said, sobbing. "We don’t really have any information. The police department was supposed to call us but they didn’t."



            I remember the statement by Mr. Giffords, and it was he himself who singled out Tea PArty as the ONLY people who threatened his daughter.

            And the reason Spencer Giffords said that the TEa Party were her enemies is BECAUSE THE TEA PARTY ACTIVELY THREATENED HER NUMEROUS TIMES!!!!!

            SARAH PALIN PUT HER IN THE CROSS HAIRS FOR GODS SAKE!

            From the same article-
            Like many other democrats, Giffords was threatened after the passage of health care reform in March, when the door to her Tuscon office had been smashed.


            Get it?

            If you dont want your mad pack of violent deranged fanatics to be thought of as violent deranged fanatics, maybe you guys should stop acting like violent deranged fanatics, okay?

            (and drop the chronic racism while youre at it.)

            Also, just for your good information, the article cited above is from the NY Post (thats another one of the sad rags run by Murdoch, the REAL puppet master who tells you what to believe.) So you might want to take a pause before crying librul buyass.

            And BTW, I am still waiting (from many posts past) for you to explain how holding health care for 9-11 First Responders as hostage to tax cuts for the wealthiest 2 percent is NOT a form of class warfare. Or how Citizens United is not a form of class warfare.

            Care to keep dodging the obvious?
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            • Author by mmfvl (January 28, 2012 10:02 pm ET)
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              hoardingcatsdude,

              It was a horrible tragedy but Mr. Giffords is a father, in pain and looking to make sense of something that makes can't. Truth be told, the guy was a nutjob loner and not politically motivated, just schizophrenic.

              I would not call him motivated by liberalism but if he had an inclination, evidently it was liberal.

              And it was the democratIC sheriff, dupnik who first accused talk radio and the Tea Party of causing this. It is just like the left to attach blame upon something they don't like. Bloomberg blamed a Tea Party member disgruntled about obamacare, for attempting to bomb times square, without any evidence. Turns out it was just another religionofpeacer making another peaceloving gesture.



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              • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 6:04 am ET)
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                MMMoron

                YOu are a pathetic brainwashed LIAR. You keep trying to say he was a liberal because it is just always your first inclination to tell lies. He shot a DEMOCRAT that the right was hating on. He did THAT because he was a liberal? You are stupid and therefore easily brainwashed but what find most contemptable about you is that you are just a LIAR. You just lie all the time. You seem incapable of telling the truth.
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                • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 29, 2012 11:58 am ET)
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                  But those are the Tweets of somebody who knew him in 2007, and seems to think it's very important to call him "liberal". Surely you can't be questioning that.
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              • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 8:54 am ET)
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                I would not call him motivated by liberalism but if he had an inclination, evidently it was liberal.


                So your only proof is some vague statements from a classmate. Based on the description, he sounds more like many libertarians i know.

                And it was the democratIC sheriff, dupnik who first accused talk radio and the Tea Party of causing this.


                Actually you guys accused yourself. He made a general statement, you guys whined that he was talking about you.

                It is just like the left to attach blame upon something they don't like.


                You're kidding right? Conservatives can never admit fault to anything.

                Bloomberg blamed a Tea Party member disgruntled about obamacare, for attempting to bomb times square, without any evidence.


                Bloomberg made an speculation. He didn't accuse anybody. Nuts on the right outright stated that this was a plot from communist left wingers to attack the "heart of capitalism".

                Turns out it was just another religionofpeacer making another peaceloving gesture.


                You are racist f*(k and hopefully your children will convert to Islam and Hinduism s
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                • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 29, 2012 1:23 pm ET)
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                  I wonder why muffie didn't dismiss the Times Square bomber as just a nutcase whose ideology had nothing to do with his actions.

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              • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 29, 2012 12:01 pm ET)
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                Truth be told...


                I believe you're using that phrase incorrectly, muffie.
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              • Author by CatsRBigLuv (January 29, 2012 7:12 pm ET)
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                MMFVl

                Sorry dude, but you are making a parody of yourself trying to dodge this one.

                YOu might not like the fact that your pals in the Tea PArty make the concerted effort to stand out as deranged and bigoted, but they do.

                Furthermore, they are the only people that made active threats against Giffords near the time of the shooting.

                Their explicitly threatening messages to the congresswoman formed the only paper trail which the police could follow after the shooting.

                You dont have to like those facts, you just have to cope with them.

                Look, the Tea Party actively makes an effort to sell itself as violent and extreme.

                As a movement, its members are completely unaware that they are, in fact, extremely obnoxious and fantasy prone..., just like a spoiled child with no sense of conscience.

                And that is exactly what they are... spoiled children with absolutely NO conscience.

                Thats why they indulge such depravity as this---

                This is the Tea PArty at work.

                Thats also why they shamelessly lampoon the Holocaust by nonsensically comparing it to HealthCare Reform.
                Only a really twisted mind with absolutely no respect for Holocaust victims would do that.

                And actively forcing oneself to hallucinate phantom boogeyman in the shape of Saul Alinsky is just insane. I dont know what you people are trying to prove with that whole trip. Its absolute lunacy.

                So is openly claiming that black slaves had stronger families than the current African American population. That is flat out disgusting... especially when couched in a hateful pledge to support homophobia.

                And even people on the Right see this.

                Mike Lofgren has some pretty strong words for the shape of the current American right (ESPECIALLY the Tea PArty). And he is not alone.

                OUtside of being out of touch, completely looney and totally inept, the current right in America is also unable to take responsibility for itself.

                Thats why Newt can be such a hypocrite about family values, and receive a standing ovation for just that hypocrisy.

                Thats also why you refuse to address how it is NOT class warfare when the Right (especially Tea PArty freshmen) made such an effort to hold the Zadroga Bill hostage to tax cuts for only the very wealthiest Americans.

                And finally, thats why you wont understand that the Tea Party has no one but itself, and its own stupid behavior, to blame for the dismal reputation which it has, and that it most certainly deserves.

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          • Author by heehee..santorum (January 28, 2012 8:44 pm ET)
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            I am sorry mmfvl...but you are a phucking moron...I never want to believe that there are real people like you in my country. Pull your head out of your ass and quit trolling.
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      • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 1:14 pm ET)
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        MMMoron

        You are simply too stupid for words to convey the depth of your mental deficiencies. Partisan attacks on the GOP are not class warfare if they were then the much WORSE attacks on the Democratic party from your side would also by definition be class warfare but the GOP is not a class by any rational definition of the world.

        You are a LIAR. You are stupid, brainwashed and you are a liar.
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      • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 1:36 pm ET)
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        Partisan Warfare, maybe... over the top rhetoric, maybe... Class Warfare? Not even close.
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        • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 1:43 pm ET)
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          Not by any rational definition. Then again MMMoron doesnt care if its true.
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    • Author by Virgil_Kane (January 27, 2012 1:19 pm ET)
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      But when Rush Fox do the same thing they call it: Tweaking the media.
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    • Author by pete x tp (January 27, 2012 1:43 pm ET)
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      I would still like to know: where was the Secret Service? I'm 6'1", about 190 pounds, and I'm not a governor so I'm pretty sure that, if I got in the POTUS' face liked Brewer did, I would be gang tackled or shot.
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      • Author by Imbecile (January 27, 2012 1:55 pm ET)
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        She's Republican, she's part of the 1%, and she's white.

        By the rules of America, she gets to break any law she wants.
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      • Author by mjh (January 27, 2012 6:39 pm ET)
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        "I would still like to know: where was the Secret Service?"


        Don't worry; as this photo proves, they were close by. Another example of how this incident was blown out of proportion, both by Brewer herself and the trogs proclaiming her a heroine.

        Anyway, forget the Secret Service -- Jan's lucky the FLOTUS wasn't around: I'm convinced if Michelle saw another woman putting her finger in the face of HER man like that, she'd knock them the FRACK out! :)

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    • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 1:54 pm ET)
      7  
      MMMoron bursts in tells some lies, proves conclusivly how perpetually confused he is then runs away. A typical day in the life of a lowlife moron troll
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    • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 2:34 pm ET)
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      See what happens when the MMFA folks go home and leave the door unlocked? This thread has meandered all over the place.

      Not that it's a bad thing... just fun to watch.
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    • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 2:58 pm ET)
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      well I see somebody's got an extraordinarily ugly soul. Wait til she discovers lashing out won't cure it.
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    • Author by Nihilist (January 27, 2012 3:34 pm ET)
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      Yo Ailes. you next show should be this woman, coulter, and malkin. would be off the hook. oh and bring in a floater for the 4th, the flavor of the week foxette perhaps?.... shame all this beauty and grace should go to waste....
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    • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 4:06 pm ET)
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      MMMoron

      You could not have been more completely destroyed today if you had actually been disintegrated. You could not BE a more perfect example of the mind numbingly stupid, blatantly ignorant, utterly brainwashed rightwing moron if you were a lefty plant TRYING to make the right look stupid. Isnt it time for you to cut your losses and stop humiliating yourself?
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    • Author by cjj (January 27, 2012 5:30 pm ET)
      5  
      That's what conservative women do. Whine shrilly while judging other people and what they do.
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      • Author by Chameo (January 27, 2012 7:01 pm ET)
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        Hey, watch the sexism there! Besides, no one whines quite as shrilly as the Haley Barbours and Newt Gingriches of the world.
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    • Author by mjh (January 27, 2012 6:46 pm ET)
      5  
      "Fox's McGlowan: "That's What Liberals Do. They Do Race-Baiting And Class Warfare"



      Sure, Ang.

      Just like when that noted liberal, Eric Bolling, criticized POTUS for using Air Force One. Or when that other noted liberal, Rush Limpballs, sang Barack The Magic Negro.

      Someone contact the audio-visual department; I've spotted a loose projector . . .

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    • Author by rtbj54 (January 28, 2012 1:48 pm ET)
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      Fox's McGlowan: "That's What Liberals Do. They Do Race-Baiting And Class Warfare"

      And McGlowan is silent on Rush Limbaugh's racism and race baiting like playing Barack the magic negro, or calling a successful black actress [Halle berry] and the president Halfricans.

      As well as the racism in the rest of the Republican party, and the newly formed Klan...I mean the Tea party.

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      • Author by Rusted Shovels (January 29, 2012 3:28 am ET)
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        Everybody knows that class warfare or racism would never be a motive for President Obama to consistantly blow off invitations from the Governor of Arizona to visit the U.S./Mexico border with her. And, real ladies should never forget that misogony is never a reason for a woman to raise her finger to a man.

        And, of course, the President never had class warfare or racism in mind during his October, 2010, Univision Radio interview - "If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, 'We're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,'...". It is especially icky when, just 10 months earlier, he preached in his State of the Union Address: "What the American people hope -– what they deserve -– is for all of us, Democrats and Republicans, to work through our differences; to overcome the numbing weight of our politics..."

        People don't take kindly to their very own President calling them "enemies". And, we're going to hear this sound bite over and over and over and over during the upcoming general election.
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        • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 6:10 am ET)
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          RustedBrainpan

          My GOD but you are stupid. WHY should he visit a Gov like Brewer who has been so hostile to him and smeared him in her book? Why reward her in any way. THAT is racism or class warfare to you. It is just a shame the morons like you are too stupid to even know what the terms you have been programed with mean.

          Again neither racism nor class warfare in the statement you cited. Your stupidity is depressing and the level of unhinged brainwashing you show would embarass one of Pavlovs dogs. Lemmings are free spirits compared to a moron like you.

          We may hear that over and over and it is depressing. It will be because ignorant, brainwashed MORONS like you think it means something spooky when it is boilerplate political reasoning. You really are just too stupid to be even TRYING to converse with adult human beings
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        • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 6:10 am ET)
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          RustedBrainpan

          My GOD but you are stupid. WHY should he visit a Gov like Brewer who has been so hostile to him and smeared him in her book? Why reward her in any way. THAT is racism or class warfare to you. It is just a shame the morons like you are too stupid to even know what the terms you have been programed with mean.

          Again neither racism nor class warfare in the statement you cited. Your stupidity is depressing and the level of unhinged brainwashing you show would embarass one of Pavlovs dogs. Lemmings are free spirits compared to a moron like you.

          We may hear that over and over and it is depressing. It will be because ignorant, brainwashed MORONS like you think it means something spooky when it is boilerplate political reasoning. You really are just too stupid to be even TRYING to converse with adult human beings
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          • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (January 29, 2012 7:28 am ET)
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            Dang Kab, do you ever sleep? LOL I admire your tenacity but you must have a helluva lump on your noggin from beating it against the walls with these idiots.
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            • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 4:54 pm ET)
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              I have no schedule. I work whenever I am called and often get home late at night or early in the morning whenthere isnt much to do.
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          • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 29, 2012 2:23 pm ET)
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            Rusted shovel is putting on a clinic of textbook wingnuttery here.

            They lie, and that's fine, but people who call out their lies are intolerant of different viewpoints.

            Their racism is "just a joke" and sassy defiance of political correctness, but people who notice they're racist are the real racists.

            And they demonize and marginalize huge groups of people, doing everything they can to make their lives worse, but those people considering them "enemies" just hurts their little feelings so badly.

            The party of personal responsibility. BTW, this one is the idiot who used to go by some "Kool Aid"-related screen name.
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            • Author by Rusted Shovels (January 29, 2012 8:50 pm ET)
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              That's delightful Andy. You are exactly right. I did previously use the screen name "Didn't drink the KoolAid", but you already know that, don't you? It has been many, many months since I've used that screen name, and I'm not exactly a regular here. Unless you are The Amazing Kreskin, there is absolutely no way you could have pulled that out of your hat on your own. It is one thing that you cannot help yourself from looking me up in your MMFA records, you just had to come and share the info by faking a "some Kool Aid related screen name", "AHA moment" with your friends. Please - share with us all of us who post here; how does someone with access to MMFA username info, disclosing info about someone they disagree with, fall in line with the MMFA Privacy Policy?
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              • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 9:05 pm ET)
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                He very likely did not "access [your] username info" nor is it disclosing private info to say somebody changed their username. You may not have noticed, but when people change their username through their settings (as opposed as starting a new account) all their past posts also change to reflect the changes. It's not something sinister or revolutionary. He did not divulge any private info.
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                • Author by mescal (January 29, 2012 11:06 pm ET)
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                  Unless, of course, Rusted Sh!tshoveller considers their own idiocy and dishonesty private information.
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                • Author by Rusted Shovels (January 30, 2012 12:25 am ET)
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                  No, I didn't know if you changed your username, it would change your username on all previous posts. But, now that I know that, why pretend it was an "aha moment", when the only way he would have known I had used another username was if he had access to the files? If the MMFA policy is to change the username on all previous posts, and if my username is password protected, there must have been some reason for an MMFA employee to feel the need to alert others to my username change. If MMFA supports their employees disclosing previous usernames of posters, why didn't Andy just post the actual username, and the date of the change, instead of posting, "BTW, this one is the idiot who used to go by some "Kool-aid" related screen name"?
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                  • Author by Andy Kreiss (January 30, 2012 1:53 am ET)
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                    More Wingnut 101. Always go with the most complicated and sinister explanation.

                    Here's the truth, Rusty( and sorry to disappoint you, but it's going to be very dull, nowhere near the "aha moment" you've dr4eamed up in your paranoid little head);

                    I was recently looking for something on the internets, and I just happened to come across an old thread at this site that was sort of interesting, except it was a little confusing. I saw a bunch of people replying to you, but referring to you as "Kool Aid".

                    And I remembered somebody a while back posting under a screen name that had something to do with drinking the Kool Aid. I couldn't remember exactly what the name was, I just remembered that it was funny that such a brain-dead FoxBot had to call other people Kool Aid drinkers in his screen name.

                    But don't ever start considering going for the most simple and obvious explanations for your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. Keep being a wingnut, it's you dancing around in your big clown shoes that entertains us.
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          • Author by Rusted Shovels (January 29, 2012 7:26 pm ET)
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            I haven't read Gov. Brewer's book. How about you Kab - what did you read in her book that you found to be "hostile to him and smeared him in her book?"

            It wasn't hard writing the first paragraph. After all, when you want to emulate race-baiting and racist hysteria, you turn to the master of The Craft. I just sat here and thought, "what would Chris Matthews say?", and it just came pouring out. (Misogony was a bonus, in honor of Mattews' obsession with Rush Limbaugh). My friends and I tried playing a drinking game during Matthews' show, but it only lasted a few days because it wasn't any fun getting that hammered in the first 15 minutes of every single show. Give it a try - drink every time Matthews and guests use "tea bagger/party" and "racist" in a sentence - especially in a segment featuring Joan Walsh and Eugene Robinson.

            And, I remember when I first heard the Univision Radio interview. I swore I could hear David Axelrod shreaking, and I wondered who lost their job that day for allowing the President to go off script. And, call me crazy, but I just don't believe that when the Republican nominee breaks this one out in the general election that the number one response in the Luntz focus groups will be "boilerplate political reasoning".

            "Just because a cat has kittens in the oven, that doesn't make them biscuits." Malcolm X

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        • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 8:56 am ET)
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          You know, after hearing year after year Republicans sabotage the president, mock Democrats and just be all around d-bags, i think they can suck it up.
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        • Author by Brabantio (January 29, 2012 9:41 am ET)
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          What misogyny are you referring to? If you don't have any evidence of that, then you're no different from people who cite racism as the root cause of practically every criticism made against Obama.
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