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Fox's Stephen Moore On Right-To-Work Laws And Unions: "Like Putting A Cross In Front Of A Vampire"

January 27, 2012 4:16 pm ET

From the January 27 edition of Fox News' America Live:

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Previously:

Conservative Media Leap To Demonize NLRB's Changes To Rules On Unionizing

Fox Gives Right-To-Work Laws A Helping Hand

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    • Author by pete592 (January 27, 2012 4:24 pm ET)
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      It's like mandating a free ride from the union so that those who don't want to join the union end up getting the same wage and working conditions that the paying union members bargained for.

      Tell me, who is more akin to a vampire in that scenario?
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      • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 27, 2012 4:26 pm ET)
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        And tommy's idiotic response in 3...2...
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      • Author by liberalXtian (January 27, 2012 6:20 pm ET)
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        It's like mandating a free ride from the union...



        Until there are few union members left and the nonunion workers start to lose their benefits and their wages stagnate...Then it's too late.
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    • Author by MiG (January 27, 2012 4:27 pm ET)
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      Nice analogy ...Except that it would be the guy holding the cross who is the blood sucker.

      These Right Wingers will only be happy when American workers are treated like those at Foxconn.
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    • Author by kabniel (January 27, 2012 4:29 pm ET)
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      Cross in front of a vampire? Like truth, logic, or reality to a righwingnut. RTW laws are a sop to business and an attack on the working class.
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      • Author by panzer (January 27, 2012 11:12 pm ET)
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        lol

        Right to work laws are an attack on the working class? How dare someone be allowed to work unless they pay off the union extortion first.
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        • Author by Johaely (January 28, 2012 9:40 am ET)
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          You mean pay the union fees that gives them the benefits they enjoy? Would you consider it fair if a non-union employee gets the benefits of the union contract without being member of it?
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          • Author by Chameo (January 28, 2012 1:57 pm ET)
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            Folks like Panzer believe that if they weren't up against the unions, each of them could go in and negotiate their own wage with the boss, and they, of course, would make out way better than the rest of the slackers on the loading dock. Because, you know, the boss wouldn't just tell him "There's fifty other guys out there waiting for your job. Good luck negotiating with your next employer."
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            • Author by Johaely (January 28, 2012 2:20 pm ET)
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              Of course not. To people like panzer not only will the boss definitively hear them, but they should be the ones getting the raise, not the other lazy "workers".
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            • Author by panzer (January 29, 2012 8:42 am ET)
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              In every job I have had in my adult life, I have never asked for a raise, and I have always been the most highly paid employee when I left. When you are a hard worker, and have skills that are in demand, you are well paid and in demand. When you are an autoworker drinking during your lunch break, you need the UAW. If you're an incompetant teacher sitting in a "rubber room" in New York, you need the teachers federation.
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              • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 9:29 am ET)
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                You should actually try doing those jobs instead of just running your mouth. You'll see how different they are from your smug little rant.
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                • Author by panzer (January 29, 2012 9:48 am ET)
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                  Which job is that? Drinking your lunch, or getting paid to do nothing?
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                  • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 9:59 am ET)
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                    Neither. Have you ever tried being a teacher? Or did you just scoff at them because they have the gal of unionizing?
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                    • Author by panzer (January 29, 2012 10:11 am ET)
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                      No, I've never been a teacher. Have you?
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                      • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 10:24 am ET)
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                        I've known many personally and i can, they don't get paid for doing nothing.
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                      • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 10:26 am ET)
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                        I've known many personally and i can assure you, they don't get paid for doing nothing. Teaching is hard work. It's an important, stressful job that's taken for granted by ingrates like you.
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                        • Author by panzer (January 29, 2012 10:34 am ET)
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                          Where did you get the idea I take it for granted? Are you saying ALL TEACHERS are good teachers? Is there any possibility that there may be some teachers who shouldn't be teaching? If you read what I wrote, you would know that I am talking about teachers getting paid to do nothing while sitting in "rubber rooms". Some teachers are getting paid to do nothing because it is very difficult to fire them.
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                          • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 11:23 am ET)
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                            You are attributing it to unions as if they are just keeping the bad teachers in. The existence of bad teachers in union payroll is not

                            All teachers are not good teachers, but attacking the union that helps them is taking them for granted. You can't just straight up and fire teachers just because you think they are "sitting in rubber rooms" (which by the way, have been completely eliminated with support from the same union you say supports them).
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                            • Author by panzer (January 29, 2012 11:29 am ET)
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                              The rubber rooms have been eliminated. It has NOT been made any easier to fire bad teachers.
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                              • Author by Johaely (January 29, 2012 11:40 am ET)
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                                Firing teachers shouldn't be made a very easy process. Otherwise parents could just fire teachers for perceived slights.
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                              • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 4:40 pm ET)
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                                panzy

                                You are so stupid and so brainwashed. Your mind is so simple. Any protection has the possibility of being taken advantage of but without it the innovative teachers would often get sacked because of jealousy and political infighting while bad teachers who kiss good butt would STILL be protected by the spoils system.

                                You are so stupid you really buy into the idea that without tenure or seniority we would have a merit system. That is niave and simplistic. You are a bore with your constant repitition of whatever the rightwing talking point is and whatever you were TOLD to think. Which we have already heard dozens of times
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                  • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 4:36 pm ET)
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                    panzy

                    You are a brainwashed punk
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              • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 4:35 pm ET)
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                panzy

                You are a punk and a PROVEN liar so no one in their right mind takes anything you claim seriously. Secondly everyone NOT a brainwashed moron like you knows that there has never BEEN a true merit based system. Those who kiss butt best or the boss nephew will get the raises and the innovators who break the mold get punished without union protection. I know of TWO people, good employees, one who worked 21 years and another 17 years for the same company who were fired to give their jobs once to the boss son in law and the other to give it to one of the bosses friends son.

                MAYBE you are an excellent butt kisser more likely you are just a LIAR. You are certainly far too stupid to be excellent at any job not requiring knee pads
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        • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 6:20 am ET)
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          panzy

          Well I never expect anything but a LIE from a LIAR like you. There is no extortion. If you dont WANT the good wages and benifits of a union job dont get one. Is it extortion when you pay your electric bill?

          You are so stupid and so brainwashed it is hard to believe you are sentient at all but mostly you are just a LIAR who gets sheer joy from telling lies
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    • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 4:33 pm ET)
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      I'm impressed. Moore delivered his little zinger without lapsing into that idiotic giggle of his. He must be pressing a thumbtack into his other hand.
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    • Author by shaggles (January 27, 2012 4:37 pm ET)
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      Gee. I wonder why? The so called right-to-work laws give employers the right to ignore contracts they have with unions.
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      • Author by 17andLiberal (January 27, 2012 4:45 pm ET)
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        Hey, it's called "right to work", not "right to fair pay, benefits, and decent working conditions". It figures, you libruls only believe in the "right to food stamps".
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    • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 27, 2012 4:38 pm ET)
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      This is actually a really, really great metaphor. See, right-to-work laws are a fake solution to an invented boogeyman, sort of like religious iconography's effect on a mythical monster. I never knew Moore was a closet liberal. Wow.
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    • Author by The_Cat (January 27, 2012 5:02 pm ET)
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      Less than 10% of the American workforce is unionized. Back when we had a thriving economy it was closer to 30%.

      Right to work states aren't doing as well in regards to pay, benefits, and worker safety. Why? Because all these things interfere with profit, which is the only thing that business understands. Who cares if it's bad for the workers, it's demonstrably cheaper, right?

      The 'cross in front of the vampire' analogy is flawed for several reasons, but hey! It makes a great soundbite, even if it is totally meaningless.

      Hey, wait a minute! Nobody with a brain can take this fool seriously! He believes in supply side economics!
      >^o.-^<
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      • Author by shaggles (January 27, 2012 5:47 pm ET)
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        And the top marginal tax rate was double what it is now.
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      • Author by alienofwar (January 29, 2012 5:18 pm ET)
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        The current trickle up economic system is a better example of vampires at the top sucking the blood and sweat of every hard working American. Unions and regulations are like the cross that put a stop to that.
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    • Author by marco21 (January 27, 2012 5:04 pm ET)
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      Because Jesus would want your kids to lose a few fingers in machinery while working on a Sunday.
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      • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2012 5:06 pm ET)
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        Let's be fair; they'll give the kids an hour off on Sunday to go to church... but their pay will be docked.
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    • Author by mata ruach (January 27, 2012 5:16 pm ET)
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      Jesus wept.
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    • Author by Fallacyhunter (January 27, 2012 5:24 pm ET)
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      Didn't this simile wizard also make some tortured analogy comparing seating arrangements to date rape? I'd say he's not very good at this.
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      • Author by mjh (January 27, 2012 6:56 pm ET)
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        "Didn't this simile wizard also make some tortured analogy comparing seating arrangements to date rape? I'd say he's not very good at this."


        Rightwingnuts aren't good at analogy -- just as they aren't good at comedy, sarcasm, or context -- because all require mental activity to a degree beyond merely listening to Fox and Rush Limpballs and nodding their heads in agreement . . .

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        • Author by alienofwar (January 29, 2012 5:20 pm ET)
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          Right-wingers aren't good at comedy because their whole ideology is one big joke in itself. Hard to make fun of others when everyone is laughing at you.
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    • Author by overmars jr. (January 27, 2012 5:28 pm ET)
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      Well, gosh shucks, Mr. Moore, at least it's not like date rape.

      Loser.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (January 27, 2012 6:23 pm ET)
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      brilliant oratory
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    • Author by mjh (January 27, 2012 6:54 pm ET)
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      Fox's Stephen Moore On Right-To-Work Laws And Unions: "Like Putting A Cross In Front Of A Vampire"


      Nah, Steve -- more like putting one million recall signatures in front of Gov. Scott Walker . . .

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    • Author by ThomasJH268 (January 27, 2012 7:18 pm ET)
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      They just can't admit that being a right to work state doesn't lower unemployment numbers

      Florida 9.9%
      South Carolina 9.5%
      Nevada 12.6%

      New York 8.0%
      Illinois 9.8%
      California 11.1%
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    • Author by mmfvl (January 27, 2012 8:00 pm ET)
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      It's illustrative to see what happened to public worker unions -- and the dues they collect -- in Indiana, where Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels ended public-worker collective-bargaining rights in 2005 (he acted by executive order -- not legislation -- since those rights were put in place by an executive order by Democratic Gov. Evan Bayh). Before 2005, 16,408 Indiana state workers paid union dues out of about 25,000 who were eligible, a union membership rate of about 66 percent. Today, the figure is 1,409 out of about 20,000 eligible workers, or 7 percent.


      When given a choice, a great deal of workers see the benefit of not supporting a union. Probably because of dissatisfaction of the union's political spending. I'd be curious to see how the public employees in Wisconsin have responded to the chance to make a free choice.
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      • Author by mjh (January 27, 2012 8:21 pm ET)
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        "I'd be curious to see how the public employees in Wisconsin have responded to the chance to make a free choice." -- Imatterforverylittle


        You're really curious, muffie?

        Well -- I'd think more than 1 MILLION signatures on a petition calling for Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's recall might be an indicator of their feelings . . . but, hey, that's just me . . .





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      • Author by eweston8542983 (January 27, 2012 8:26 pm ET)
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        As response by the public workers of Wisconsin has been easily seen and heard, What are you proposing with der curiousity gambit?
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      • Author by bintx (January 27, 2012 10:05 pm ET)
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        You really don't keep up with current events, do you?
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      • Author by Johaely (January 27, 2012 10:55 pm ET)
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        You mean the free choice of reaping all the benefits of union membership without paying any of the dues?
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      • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 28, 2012 12:14 am ET)
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        Those workers only choose that option when they can get a free ride on union negotiated benefits. Once right-to-work settles into a state and unions are completely marginalized, average wages and benefits drop. How much you wanna bet that those "workers [who] see the benefit of not supporting a union" are kicking themselves in Nevada and South Carolina as they now have to work for less pay and benefits than they did when unions were strong in those states?
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      • Author by mjh (January 28, 2012 4:03 pm ET)
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        "When given a choice, a great deal of workers see the benefit of not supporting a union." -- Imatterforverylittle


        [citation needed]

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      • Author by kabniel (January 29, 2012 6:24 am ET)
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        MMMoron

        You are a LIAR. A majority of people when asked would LIKE to belong to a union. A whole lot of people are as selfish as YOU and would like OTHERS to pay for the benifits they garner and get a free lunch off of them

        Most unions get their political spending money from voluntary contributions. My GOD but you are stupid. Everyone HAS a free choice. If they dont want to be in a union they dont have to get a union job. It is selfish punks like YOU who want the free lunch and GET the benifits and have others pay for them
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      • Author by Turkeysocks (January 29, 2012 1:34 pm ET)
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        If the collective bargaining rights were ended, then the main weapon the union has to use against employers is gone. So of course less people are paying, because the main reason for someone to be in a union is to be able to do negotiations. And by removing that, the power of being in a union is broken.

        So no, that isn't a good example of people not supporting a union.
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    • Author by DDRic (January 27, 2012 8:21 pm ET)
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      Stevie should be through the Twilight series by now. And should think before the camera redlight hit "ON", that vampires don't exist in real life,only at NewsCorps. There are a lot of bloody hands over there,especially on O'Reillys' head for Dr Tillers' in-church execution. Bill doesn't talk much about his personal anti-abortion web-site up-dates these days. Maybe that's good.
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    • Author by mcnairbo6573 (January 27, 2012 8:26 pm ET)
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      It's like asking a republican to pay his share of the taxes.
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    • Author by wookie (January 28, 2012 8:40 am ET)
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      More of the usual Orwellian BS. "We can't have economic freedom if unions can easily organize! Taking away their contracts is like putting a cross in front of a vampire!" And I guess the sudden concern of workers privacy rights means no more drug testing, video surveillance, etc.?
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    • Author by politeradical (January 28, 2012 7:25 pm ET)
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      Another lousy metaphor from Mr. seating-chart-is-date-rape.
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    • Author by pamiety (January 29, 2012 12:03 am ET)
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      “In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights' and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom of collective bargaining... We demand this fraud be stopped.”
      Martin Luther King, Jr. quotes (American Baptist Minister

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