Dobbs vs. CNN
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Washington, DC -- Today, Media Matters for America called further attention to Lou Dobbs' continued use of his CNN show and his radio show to legitimize conspiracy theories about President Obama's birth certificate. Dobbs' mainstreaming of such claims comes even as other CNN figures -- including his stand-in, Kitty Pilgrim -- have repeatedly and resoundingly debunked them, calling them "nutty" and "ludicrous."
"CNN has a very serious Lou Dobbs problem on its hands,"
said Eric Burns, President of
Media Matters. "All eyes are on CNN to see how the network will handle a host who has clearly become a stain on its journalistic credibility."
Media Matters released the following web video today on Dobbs' undermining the network's credibility: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXmqTmRPAng
BACKGROUND
Dobbs has repeatedly claimed on both his television and radio shows that President Obama has failed to address the claims of "birther" conspiracy theorists. He has said that Obama needs to "produce a birth certificate" and that the birth certificate the president posted online more than a year ago has "some issues."
However, several of Dobbs' CNN colleagues have distanced themselves from these claims:
- On the July 17 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight, guest host Kitty Pilgrim said that CNN "found no basis" for the birth certificate claims and cited "overwhelming evidence that proves that his birth certificate is real, and that he was born in Honolulu," including Obama's birth certificate posted online by FactCheck.org.
- Later on the July 17 Lou Dobbs Tonight, CNN contributor Errol Louis stated of the theory's proponents, "I think what we have here is a case where under the guise of saying, well, we can't trust whether or not he should be president because we don't have the evidence, it's actually the reverse."
- On the July 21 edition of CNN Newsroom, host Rick Sanchez held up a printed copy of Obama's birth certificate and then said, "To a large and vocal group of Americans, this paper that I just showed you might as well be bathroom tissue. Factual? Maybe. Enough to stop the speculation? Absolutely not." He later added: "[W]e certainly hope that there are people out there who do their own fact-checking, see for themselves what's on the record, and see that this seems to be more conspiratorial than factual."
- On the July 21 edition of Larry King Live, CNN political contributor James Carville said of those who don't believe Obama is a natural-born American citizen: "These people are poor -- these poor pathetic people are believing stuff, just like -- just like [Liz] Cheney tonight. She refuses to say this is ludicrous, because she actually wants to encourage these people to believe this. It's just a simple thing. This is a nutty thing. There's nothing to this. I disagree with this president's policies."
- On the July 22 edition of CNN Newsroom, CNN contributor Roland S. Martin said: "This is a small group of nutty people." He also discussed a video clip in which Rep. Mike Castle (R-DE) is challenged by a woman who claims Obama has not produced a birth certificate. Martin said the woman's "I want my country back" comment means, "How is this black guy all of the sudden running the country?"
Despite the fact that his colleagues have rejected the "birther" claims, Dobbs has continued to repeat them on both CNN and his radio show. As Comedy Central's Jon Stewart asked, referring to Dobbs on the July 22 edition of The Daily Show, "Do you even watch CNN?"
- On the July 22 broadcast of his radio show, Dobbs said that Obama could "make the whole...controversy disappear...by simply releasing his original birth certificate."
- On the July 22 broadcast of his radio show, Dobbs responded to Martin's suggestion that race was fueling the controversy: "I can't believe Roland would say something that stupid -- that it's racist." Dobbs also called Martin's July 22 CNN.com commentary dismissing the claims "a hoot."
- Dobbs stated on the July 20 edition of his CNN program that the birth certificate questions offered by "passionate supporters" "won't go away because they haven't been dealt with, it seems possible to, straightforwardly and quickly."
- On the July 21 edition of his CNN show, Dobbs said: "We had people, including reporters from the LA Times, calling up because I referred to this. ... Instead of calling the White House to ask why they didn't do it, they're calling me to ask why I said I don't know what the reality is. No one does."
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2. Sanchez didn't hold up a "birth certificate". He held up a COLB; if someone can't get that straight then they don't understand this issue. Further, what he held up has never been verified by the issuing agency. In fact, it would be illegal for them to verify that what's on the picture on BHO's site matches what they have on file. If someone says that Hawaiian officials have verified the contents of the picture on BHO's site, they're accusing those Hawaiian officials of breaking the law.
3. The rest of the quotes in the first section are just disreputable smears. Perhaps those same people would care to explain why BHO's supporters keep having to lie, mislead, smear, and twist themselves into knots in an attempt to prove something that they say is so cut-and-dried. Why do they have to keep lying? Why can't they even get their stories straight on which hospital he was born in? They should just just tell the truth: we haven't been given definitive proof of where he was born.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Even the radical extremist teabag website confirms it:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
The KLTV link above is highly misleading; compare their attempt to deceive you to what Hawaii actually said.
The FactCheck link contains an outrageous lie: that the release at the last link confirmed he was born in Honolulu. If you actually read the release (no, really, go read it) you'll see nothing in there confirming where he was born. They only say that they have a valid cert on file. They don't say anything about what's on the cert. As discussed in my first comment, it would be illegal for them to disclose what's on the cert they have on file, and that includes verifying that what they have on file matches the picture on BHO's site.
Like I said, all the arguments that BHO fans present are incredibly faulty. They lie, they mislead, they twist themselves into knots.
Try telling the truth for once.
No. You're wrong on all points
No. It doesn't.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
As for your links, I already responded to them and showed how they're wrong above. Please don't waste everyone's time with garbage comments.
The point of certification by a government official on the short form Certification of Live Birth is to attest that the information on the short form is the SAME as the CORRESPONDING INFORMATION on the long form, even though the long form includes additional information that is not on the short form (none of which is material here). What we have here is a distinction without a difference as far as the material information regarding Obama's place of birth is concerned, so it isn't clear why you are harping on the "differences" between the two forms, since the additional categories of information included on the long form have no bearing of the issue of whether Obama was actually born in Hawaii.
And, from my comment at mediamatters.org/columns/200907230005#529507
4. Neither announcement listed a birth place or hospital, and no one has ever provided proof that such announcements could have only come from the birth hospital... Why isn't MMFA mentioning that the possibility that the announcements were planted by BHO's grandparents in expectation of a custody battle? That doesn't mean they did that. However, isn't MMFA misleading you when they only state one outrageous possibility rather than stating other more reasonable possibilities? Is MMFA dumb, or do they think you are?
The COLB is an original document proving his birth in Hawaii.
That until Obama mails you his BC or COLB you won't be satisfied? Even then it could be a fake or the USPS could be intercepting your mail or Hawaii could be in on the conspiracy.
What, are you a lawyer now?
All too obviously not, which is why you should really stay away from this whole argument, because you aren't equipped, either by training or intellect, to handle it. Certified copies of official documents are admissible in evidence in lieu of originals in both state and Federal courts, so Judge Judy would certainly admit it into evidence if she were still on the bench and not just on TV. Even authenticated copies of documents (official or otherwise) that are not "certified" are admissible in lieu of originals. You and your birthers comrades may have your own idiosyncratic notions of what constitutes "acceptable" evidence, but you are all out in left- (or probably right-) field. (Actually, you are on another planet.) So sad that you are posing as having more legal "expertise" than you actually do. If it's good enough for a court of law, it should be good enough for you. If it isn't, that's YOUR problem.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg
And, regarding those images, you do know that FactCheck silently modified them after their original posting, right?
And with that, your credability is gone. You can close the window now.
Perhaps you should. He was born in Hawaii and his COLB proves it.
You're desperate and you look stupid.
What are you talking about? Hawaii most certainly does accept a COLB.
Here's my story. I'm from Ohio, I live in Colorado. I had to get my Colorado license last year and I'd lost my passport. Colorado wouldn't accept my old Ohio license because Ohio uses middile initials and Coloraod doesn't. So I call my mom and ask her to go get my a copy of my birth certificate so I can get my license.
I took a good look at it last night.
1) Nowehere on the form does it say the words "Birth Certificate" The closest it comes is in the bottom corner is in the middle of a paragragh that it is a "certification of birth facts"
2) Neither the doctor's name nore the hospital name are listed. It simply says that my birthplace is Kettering, OH
3) It is not signed by the Secretary of State, it is signed by the local registrar of vital stitistics.
4) There is an embossed seal, but they didn't do a good job. If I posted a picture on the internet I'd immediatly be flamed down for not having an embossed seal.
So...please tell me, because I am very confused....
Am I a US Citizen?
I mean for 34 years I thought I was. Now I'm not so sure.
The Health Department "DOES NOT HAVE A SHORT-FORM or LONG-FORM CERTIFICATE." (emphasis added)
http://www.starbulletin.com/features/20090606_kokua_line.html
From the Star Bulletin:
"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.
Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."
Here's another statement from their government website supporting that long-forms are no longer available:
"Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth."
The above is found here, under "Primary Documents":
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
There's also more about the birth certificate issue here:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/01/worldnetdaily/birthers-claim-gibbs-lied-when-he-said-obamas-birt/
Another Birther claim is that a birth certificate could have been applied for by ANY adult, and that one could easily have been granted for a baby born outside of the country.
"In fact, only the legal parents of a child—in this case, Barack Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham—can apply for a birth certificate."
http://washingtonindependent.com/51652/some-more-clarity-on-hawaiian-birth-certificates?dsq=12827089#comment-12827089
"As for the theory that Obama's original birth certificate might show he was foreign-born, Okubo said the "Certification of Live Birth" would say so. Obama's does not. Again, it says HE WAS BORN IN HONOLULU." (emphasis added)
As for the soldier, he disobeyed an order to deploy and filed a lawsuit. The only reason he's not being deployed now is because he's in the process of being discharged, and probably not honorably. It's in the army's best interest not to have people in the service do this, thus they kick him out.
Back with more stupidity?
He volunteered. When he changed his mind, he doesn't get deployed.
Lt. Col. Maria Quon, U.S. Army Public Affairs Officer, U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, said Tuesday evening, Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty.
"A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," Quon said.
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/777472.html
And what a patriot this Cook is, either there is a unit in Iraq missing one person or someone else will be sent in his place.
A COLB is a real document, valid for joining the military, etc. You cannot get the original long from.
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
That means I could have a kid anywhere else in the world but then move to Hawaii for one year after the birth and get a Certification of Live Birth.
Oh, the stupid burns! Did you not even bother to read what you posted? see that "L 1982?" That was when that law was passed--decades after Obama was born! Further, his own birth certificate states he was born in Hawaii, and two Hawaii officials have confirmed that the COLB Obama posted on his website is real.
L 1982 law passed 21yrs. after Obama was born. How do you argue with stupid? Insane, yes you are! :-)
1. The law was passed in 1982, when Obama was 21.
2. Birth certificates for children born in other states or countries always have the child's place of birth on it. If the child was born in Texas, it says he was born in Texas. If she was born in China, it says she was born in China.
FAIL.
So, America's main problems: Bank Bailouts, Auto Bailouts, Stimulus (American Recovery & Reinvestment Act), HealthCare Reform, Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. etc. are all side issues, and "Birther" #1. Republicans "REALLY" know how to play this political game. LOL