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September 16, 2009 2:41 pm ET

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Wednesday, September 16, 2009

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Washington, D.C. - Today, Media Matters for America highlighted the fact that Fox News repeatedly broadcast and promoted a shocking but entirely fictitious claim made by San Bernardino ACORN employee Tresa Kaelke that she murdered her former husband.

Media Matters also released a video of its own, titled, "Caught in a Smear," which can be viewed here.

"This is journalistic malpractice, plain and simple," said Eric Burns, president of Media Matters. "A reporter right out of J-school would have taken the two minutes necessary to call the San Bernardino Police Department and verify Ms. Kaelke's statements. But that never occurred to anyone at Fox News before the network ran with the story. This kind of shameful work raises serious questions about the legitimacy of the entire campaign currently being waged against ACORN."

BACKGROUND

On September 15, Fox News' Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity both broadcast Tresa Kaelke's assertion, recorded on a hidden camera, that she had killed a former husband.

Both made a point of highlighting the statement. On the September 15 edition of his show, Beck played the clip and then said, "She never spanked her kids, but she did shoot her husband dead." Later that night, Hannity played the same clip before adding, "Specifically, now, she goes into this scenario about her husband and the killing of him."

The following morning, on September 16, Fox News' Gretchen Carlson repeated the allegation, saying, "She killed somebody? Despite this, some lawmakers want to keep funding the group." She later claimed that the husband was still alive, "according to ACORN."

However, the San Bernardino Police Department itself has now confirmed that Kaelke's claim was untrue. A department statement released on September 15 reads:

"The San Bernardino Police Department is investigating the claims made regarding the homicide. From the initial investigation conducted, the claims do not appear to be factual. Investigators have been in contact with the involved party's known former husbands, who are alive and well."

Furthermore, Kaelke has said that when she made the claim, she was seeking to deliberately mislead the undercover videographers, Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe, of whom she was suspicious.

"They were not believable," Kaelke is quoted as saying in an ACORN press release. "Somewhat entertaining, but they weren't even good actors. I didn't know what to make of them. They were clearly playing with me. I decided to shock them as much as they were shocking me."

Kaelke's remarks have thus far been largely ignored by Fox News.

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    • Author by ssherman_39463 (September 16, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
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      I wonder why on the video that date is 08/14/2005 - I thought this was a recent video. Why are they now exposing this on fox if the video is from 4 years ago?
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      • Author by shaggles (September 16, 2009 6:50 pm ET)
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        They probably don't know how to set the date on their camera.
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      • Author by joeklein395301 (September 17, 2009 12:03 am ET)
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        It was the woman who was running her mouth bragging about killing her pimp, not the Fox news. Fox just played the tape. Please it is not justified to even attempt to defend these people, we are decent people, we are parents, and we do not side with anyone who gives advise how to use childern for prostitution, Your political affiliation should not matter.
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        • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 12:47 am ET)
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          Please it is not justified to even attempt to defend these people
          I know, Fox News' actions cannot be justified.
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          • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:33 am ET)
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            Am I really reading this? Masses of sheeple bashing on Fox News and completely ignoring the ramifications of ACORN's actions? Are you people really blinded by that much hate that you can't see the forrest for the trees?

            Wow.
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            • Author by goshzilla (September 17, 2009 9:35 am ET)
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              Are you that dense to not understand that the Acorn employees fabricated their stories to the two would be filmmakers?
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              • Author by riverdog (September 17, 2009 10:29 am ET)
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                that makes no sense. if they thought they were being investigated woudn't they not confess to murder and voter fraud?
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                • Author by dmarcoot (September 17, 2009 11:10 am ET)
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                  it makes perfect sense because it wasn’t true, so she had nothing to fear. Her story was no more than the white 19 yr old dress like a 70s pimp was true. They
                  acted like children and she toyed with them like children. But apparently the Children who watch faux news are too slow on picking that up.

                  I’m a white 40 old man and I live in Baltimore just as this woman does, and let me tell you there are no white teenage pimps in Baltimore, none black or white dressed like that. If you saw them walk in your office would you be that stupid to believe that story?

                  Or do you think only an adult black woman in city with a population which is over 60% black, is stupid enough to fall for that?

                  There is REAL social problems in Baltimore that go beyond what an arrogant teenage imagination would consider reality to be huggy bear. She saw thru them
                  like tissue paper and your brain cant imagine it because you don’t know what reality is in Baltimore city, or probably anywhere else really.
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                • Author by JoshSN (September 17, 2009 11:49 am ET)
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                  I run a goat farm used by sexual predators.

                  I dress the goats up as celebrities, historical personalities and even children.

                  People other than yourself might ask "Yes, but are the goats clean?" or "What kind of goat?" or, maybe, even "What do you have against sheep?"

                  You, apparently, would be shocked and outraged and report me to Fox News and expect them to report on me.

                  After all, I'm also Napoleon.
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 17, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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                  There's been no voter fraud PERIOD. That has been PROVEN a thousand times over. There was voter REGISTRATION fraud and ACORN were the VICTIMS of it! It was THEIR MONEY THAT WAS BEING WASTED! And THEY are the ones who CALLED THE COPS!

                  As for the murder...

                  Maybe that was made up to make Fox News look stupid? Or expose their bias or corruption?

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              • Author by starkcr31 (September 17, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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                Yeah, ok, so they just tried to help these two (who they didn't even know were filmmakers) commit crimes, but they were just kidding. I see.
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            • Author by manofmystique (September 17, 2009 10:39 am ET)
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              Obvious Fox News take their audience for fools, and for good reasons. THEY ARE EASILY FOOLED SEE BELOW:

              Inadvertently Sean [klan]nity exposed what his interest and intent is and that is to discredit and ultimately bring down Obama and his administration. They are using Carl Roves' playbook to help them do it. Obama worked with Acorn, during his community organizing days. Sean and Fox News want to make a case that Acorn is corrupt therefore Obama's campaign and presidency is tainted by Acorn. Glen Beck and Sean Hannity made it clear on radio and their talk show that they are "determined to bring down Obama and his administration". These Acorn "stings" are no coincidence. How do you explain Fox News getting the "story" first? Fox News has interjected it self into the story, instead reporting the story.
              Fox News won't tell you how many Acorn employees told these so-called filmmakers to “get the hell out my office” before those who said yes you may film. Fox News is evil and Sean and Beck proves it everyday. Sean and Beck want Acorn out of business. These racist bastards want to punish Acorn and black people for Obama's success. Watch the video, Sean overlooks big criminals in favor of brining down Acorn and "Obama and radical administration".
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              • Author by burningrave101 (September 17, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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                Fox News won't tell you how many Acorn employees told these so-called filmmakers to “get the hell out my office” before those who said yes you may film. Fox News is evil and Sean and Beck proves it everyday. Sean and Beck want Acorn out of business. These racist bastards want to punish Acorn and black people for Obama's success. Watch the video, Sean overlooks big criminals in favor of brining down Acorn and "Obama and radical administration.


                Oh give me a break lol. Hannity last night when they were airing the latest 5th video to surface concerning ACORN explicitly asked Hannah Giles two or three times how many people at ACORN had actually turned them away and kicked them out of their offices on the premise of what they were doing. And she and the guy next to her from Biggovernment.com said none. Now whether or not that statement is true I don't know but Bertha Lewis' accusations of them trying and failing at multiple locations is so far unsubstantiated by facts and ACORN is the last ones I would take at their word.

                And ACORN SHOULD be out of business until at the very least they have been fully investigated for all allegations. They have too many people being shown taking part in illegal activity that is far worse than simply helping to cheat on your taxes. Advocating the prostitution and trafficking of minors is a serious crime and it's not like ACORN has some spotless record. They've been accused of voter fraud during the 2008 election in states all across the US. They get millions of dollars in government grants and if they are corrupt they need to be exposed.

                Mediamatters.org has decided to make a big issue out of Fox News reporting on this woman from ACORN stating she killed her husband without calling the local police department to verify first when really all they did was report on exactly what she admitted to in the video, regardless if she actually did it or not, which is the real issue at hand here.

                And if mediamatters.org actually wanted to expose the real truth and go after someone for poor investigative journalism they should be focusing their attention on MSNBC who rolled footage of someone at a health care reform rally that they then labeled as a white racist carrying weapons which they then continued to go on this spill about whether these things have a racial overturn concerning people showing up at the rallies with weapons. What they FAILED to reveal in the video however is this man they showed only a glimpse of was actually a black man there advocating for his rights to bear arms which was his legal right to do so.

                Take a look for yourself if you want to stand up for black people:

                http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=3313&t=1562373

                Where are you Mediamatters? Does what the media report or fails to report only matter if it airs on Fox News? Maybe they should change the name of this site to Agendamatters.org since it would seem to fit their liberal news agenda much more accurately.

                A bunch of you are trying to start a smear campaign against Fox News on the account of them showing racism when in fact all of these things they've been saying and reporting on doesn't have jack to do with race. What it has to do with, and ALL it has to do with, is not approving with Obama's policies. Since when does that automatically equate to racism? Is it so hard to believe that not every person in America holds exactly the same values as those who support Obama? People need to quit playing the race card as a crutch for everything.

                And has everyone forgotten that Obama is only HALF black? So I guess now if I make any kind of stand against Obama's policies I'm a black AND white racist? When does this crap ever end and people wake up and realize skin color doesn't mean anything.
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              • Author by burningrave101 (September 17, 2009 12:31 pm ET)
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                Fox News won't tell you how many Acorn employees told these so-called filmmakers to “get the hell out my office” before those who said yes you may film. Fox News is evil and Sean and Beck proves it everyday. Sean and Beck want Acorn out of business. These racist bastards want to punish Acorn and black people for Obama's success. Watch the video, Sean overlooks big criminals in favor of brining down Acorn and "Obama and radical administration.


                Oh give me a break lol. Hannity last night when they were airing the latest 5th video to surface concerning ACORN explicitly asked Hannah Giles two or three times how many people at ACORN had actually turned them away and kicked them out of their offices on the premise of what they were doing. And she and the guy next to her from Biggovernment.com said none. Now whether or not that statement is true I don't know but Bertha Lewis' accusations of them trying and failing at multiple locations is so far unsubstantiated by facts and ACORN is the last ones I would take at their word.

                And ACORN SHOULD be out of business until at the very least they have been fully investigated for all allegations. They have too many people being shown taking part in illegal activity that is far worse than simply helping to cheat on your taxes. Advocating the prostitution and trafficking of minors is a serious crime and it's not like ACORN has some spotless record. They've been accused of voter fraud during the 2008 election in states all across the US. They get millions of dollars in government grants and if they are corrupt they need to be exposed.

                Mediamatters.org has decided to make a big issue out of Fox News reporting on this woman from ACORN stating she killed her husband without calling the local police department to verify first when really all they did was report on exactly what she admitted to in the video, regardless if she actually did it or not, which is the real issue at hand here.

                And if mediamatters.org actually wanted to expose the real truth and go after someone for poor investigative journalism they should be focusing their attention on MSNBC who rolled footage of someone at a health care reform rally that they then labeled as a white racist carrying weapons which they then continued to go on this spill about whether these things have a racial overturn concerning people showing up at the rallies with weapons. What they FAILED to reveal in the video however is this man they showed only a glimpse of was actually a black man there advocating for his rights to bear arms which was his legal right to do so.

                Where are you Mediamatters? Does what the media report or fails to report only matter if it airs on Fox News? Maybe they should change the name of this site to Agendamatters.org since it would seem to fit their liberal news agenda much more accurately.
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                • Author by loislap (September 17, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
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                  As a proud Liberal I agree that ACORN should be investigated for any fraud or corruption and summarily cleaned up.I suppose we have the endlessly repetitive 24/7 fixation by FOX and M.Malkin and others to thank for helping clean up an otherwise wonderful organization.Um..thanks.
                  As for your criticism of MM and it's propensity to go after FOX and other rightwing media,rather than say MSNBC?
                  MM makes it quite clear that they are a "progressive research and information center" concerned primarily with 'Conservative misinformation".Surely you will admit that FOX spreads misinformation on an hourly/daily basis?
                  That they exist solely to promote rightwing ideology and to promulgate GOP talking points?You are obviously expending a lot of energy here mocking Liberals for not allowing that ACORN has problems that need fixing,so I assume you are not so hypocritical as to not recognize the "truth" about FOX and their endless fabrications.
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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 17, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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              completely ignoring the ramifications of ACORN's actions?

              WHAT ramifications? WHAT actions?

              WHAT is all this NONSENSE you people keep harping on about?

              What has ACORN done, other than support democrats, that is so horrible to you people?

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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 17, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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              Masses of sheeple bashing on Fox News and completely ignoring the ramifications of ACORN's actions?


              Look ! ACORN !! Shiny object !! Imaginary ramifications !!

              Hint to mitthead: ACORN is the trees, not the forest.
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          • Author by starkcr31 (September 17, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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            So, ACORN'S illegal activities a perfectly fine but Fox making a mistake can't be justified. I see now.
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            • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
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              So, ACORN'S illegal activities a perfectly fine but Fox making a mistake can't be justified.
              ACORN did nothing illegal in those videos.
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              • Author by starkcr31 (September 17, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
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                Yeah, ok. I guess no ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud either? They were just targeted by the evil police.
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                • Author by congero6189599 (September 17, 2009 4:23 pm ET)
                     
                  Stupid is here!
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (September 17, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
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                    Try answering a question or responding to a point for a change or is that over your head?
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                • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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                  I guess no ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud either
                  That's not what we are talking about here. Plus, ACORN turned in their own employees.
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      • Author by Midnight Kevin (September 17, 2009 2:13 am ET)
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        I was wondering the same thing! Obviously they don't know how to operate their cameras.

        They violate laws to obtain these videos and release them without any research into whether the information is factual. To me, this discredits the "investigation". In the first video, did these two "journalists" actually file paperwork with the federal government for funds, or were they just told something and that was it? It is completely believable that this woman who supposedly killed her husband fabricated the story, so what is to say that the original story aired did not involve an ACORN employee who also played along with the pimp and prostitute?
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      • Author by Rightwingnutjob (September 17, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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        Yeah! WTH! Why expose it now, what you don't know wont hurt you! And yeah Shaggles, all right wingers are nut jobs.

        You lefties are the biggest bunch of pompous asses I have ever seen.

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        • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 2:28 pm ET)
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          And yeah Shaggles, all right wingers are nut jobs.
          Couldn't have said it better myself.
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    • Author by fantagor (September 16, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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      These two "undercover" boobs weren't fooling anyone but themselves. Even low level ACORN functionaries saw through their ruse and then decided to toy with them. The upshot? These dips appear on Fox News talking about uncovering a murder as if it was real. The Right has been totally clueless for decades. You'd think genetics would have solved the problem by now, one way or another. But no, they have sadly bred down, or I should say inbred down.

      Randy
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      • Author by Ratcity (September 16, 2009 9:27 pm ET)
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        Acorn had no ideal what was going on.. Acorns are the boob's
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        • Author by JoshSN (September 17, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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          That's why she admitted to murdering her still-living husband, because she does that with _all_ her clients, a bonding thing.
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      • Author by joeklein395301 (September 17, 2009 1:11 am ET)
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        These two boobs so far have cost the ACORN lose their Census contract, ,housing funds, and the state of Louisiana has subpoena Acorn records, and probably more to come, I would say not too bad for couple of "boobs".
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        • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 3:11 am ET)
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          They've also broken state law and gotten punked themselves by ACORN employees wise to their pathetic ruse.
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          • Author by joeklein395301 (September 17, 2009 11:58 am ET)
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            ACORN was operating in state of Maryland without a license since 2006, speaking of beaking state law lets start here.
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            • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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              ACORN was operating in state of Maryland without a license since 2006, speaking of beaking state law lets start here.
              Assuming it's true, which is a precarious assumption with a right-winger, so what? This obsession with ACORN will not lead to a good end for the cons. They need to drop it for their own sake. They are being shown demonstrably as the loonies we've known they were from the beginning.
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              • Author by starkcr31 (September 18, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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                So we should just let it go that this is a criminal organization? That's not surprising. I mean, we shouldn't have made a big deal that Clinton committed perjury. No big deal!
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                • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 18, 2009 4:38 pm ET)
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                  So we should just let it go that this is a criminal organization?
                  There's no evidence of that.
                  . I mean, we shouldn't have made a big deal that Clinton committed perjury.
                  He didn't commit perjury. Look it up.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 17, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
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          Yeeeeeaaaaaah... that was aaaaaall motivated by theese two clowns. Keep dreaming.

          The whole right-wing noise/attack machine? Perhaps. But that consists of a helluva lot more than these two pulitzer winners.

          And causing damage doesn't make you right. Unless you can convince me that the ORGANIZTION is somehow WORTH damaging, I'd say [the damage you're celebrating] makes you a scumbag.

          But hey, they only help the poor, right? And who cares about them, anyway? They alwasy vote democrat... At least until they can afford a trailer.

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          • Author by joeklein395301 (September 17, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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            No I not celebrating, but thank you for your kind words anyway. I am getting tired of this race business. When the president was elected his approval rating was %77 now in 40s, did we become racist in the last 6 months. using race and pretending championing the cause of poor has become a business in this country, Jesse Jackson was paying $400,000 to his mistress, please tell me where he came to come to such a fortue, yes dollar at time from the poor. the criminals who run ACORN have not helped anybody but themself. If they are pure as driven snow why they do not let anybody see their books, you know why because people who want do evil like the darkness.
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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 17, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
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              I'm not fan of Jesse Jackson, so I'm not going there. I'm going to limit my comments to Obama, Carter and/or Buchanan and stay OT.

              As for Obama's APPROVAL rating?

              1) I don't think it's in the 40's. Show me the poll.
              2) If it IS, all that prooves is the effectiveness of the Right-Wing Noise Machine and the Right-Wing Media.

              Did [you] all become racist in the last 6 months? No, just disgustingly misinformed, and then whipped into a frothing frenzy by a couple of College dropouts, one a druggie (Rush), and one an Alchie (Beck.)

              Congratulations. You must be proud.

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              • Author by joeklein395301 (September 17, 2009 2:38 pm ET)
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                From Rasmussen poll today,
                " Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-two percent (52%) now disapprove"
                Politics is a dirty business and there are no angels. I don't have any idols , I try to use my own research and call it as I see it, if I make a mistake it is my own and open to reconsider. There is only right and wrong in the political arena, not left and right.
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                • Author by congero6189599 (September 17, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
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                  and you seem to always wind up on the wrong side . I don't know if your poll is accurate or not but polls are snapshots of reality while life goes on...your poll proves nothing as tomorrow the tide may bring in something new.
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                  • Author by joeklein395301 (September 17, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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                    I don't know how you have reached the conclusion that I have landed on the wrong side, and what side it is anyway. Of course the poll is inaccurate because it does not fit our paradigm, but it clealy shows a downward movement . It is very simplistic to believe that couple drunk and druggies have fooled more than half of the nation, I would go as far as saying it insulting to the intelligence of american people.
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                    • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 17, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
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                      It is very simplistic to believe that couple drunk and druggies have fooled more than half of the nation.

                      WRONG. It's not simplistic at all. Those 'drunks & druggies' have well funded media networks behind them. They control every aspect of the message that goes out and drown out all opposition. They lie in every broadcast (well documented by MMFA) and now their lies are treated as the truth. They have a significant following. The mainstream media won't call them out for thier lies, beacuse (1) they'll be bradned (by those very men) as liberally biased and (2) their corporate bosses don't WANT them to. The media has been systematically misinforming America since 1993, led first by Drudge and Limbaugh, then later joined by Coulter, O'Reilly and Hannity and now Dobbs and Beck. It's not the "couple of drunks" it's the several MUTLI-BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONS behind the. If you're a reader here, you should be able to PLAINLY SEE what's going on.

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                      • Author by joeklein395301 (September 17, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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                        "now their lies are treated as the truth. They have a significant following"
                        By whom and why they have significant following, are we a nation gone mad, believe like a bunch of idiots whatever comes out of Fox news. I would believe you if there was just commentries by Fox, but thanks to youtube you can go and watch the speeches of radicals for yourself. watch Mark Lloyd the new diversity czar praises Hugo Chavez and how he is going to use Chavez model to shut down the opposition media, that is not Fox. NBC and its affilates are owned by GE, and the president of GE is advisor to president on cap and trade and green economy, are you telling me NBC and its massive resources are afraid to debunking Fox news just because worried of being labeled liberal. by the way the democrate dominated house just voted to cut all funding to ACORN.
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                        • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 18, 2009 7:55 am ET)
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                          One thing at a time...

                          are we a nation gone mad, believe like a bunch of idiots whatever comes out of Fox news(?)

                          IMHO, sadly, YES.

                          thanks to youtube you can go and watch the speeches of radicals for yourself

                          Yep. Plenty of Fox wannabe's cropping video and taking quotes outr of context and making thngs look worse than they are knowing that no one will call them out for it that they can't just dismiss as 'liberal.'

                          Mark Lloyd [...] is going to use Chavez model to shut down the opposition media

                          LOL. That'll be the day!

                          are you telling me NBC and its massive resources are afraid to debunking Fox news just because worried of being labeled liberal(?)

                          Nope. MSNBC "debunks" Fox news all the time. And it has little traction with Moderates and Centrist Conservatives becuase they've swallowed the lie that the media liberal and the liberal is bad.

                          by the way the democrate dominated house just voted to cut all funding to ACORN

                          Acorn lost the census contract. These things happen. What's your point?
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                          • Author by joeklein395301 (September 18, 2009 12:00 pm ET)
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                            I don't know why liberals are so ashamed of being liberal, I am a conservative and proud of it, John Kennedy was a liberal and he was a great man. The problem is the socialist now call themselves progressive successfully have infiltrated the democrat party that nobody knows who is who. I glad the traditional democrat also known as blue dogs are stepping back and saying hey that is not who we are. If you think that we all gone mad and get secret massages from Fox news I think the situation is pretty hopeless and there not much can be done except to shut down Fox News and add prozac to drinking water. Remember Von Jones the green czar, who resigned in the middle of the night, and decided not to fight the fake videos on youtube, may be the videos were not so fake. Speaking of MSNBC watching Chris mathews made a believer that a man can love another man, but seriously MSNBC by becoming the mouth piece for the adminstration and has lost ancreditability. The question is why Fox is resonating with people, and why CNN, NBC,ABC,etc are losing rating. Venezuela is shutting down the last independent TV station, Global Vision, nobody thought that can happen there or here.
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                            • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 18, 2009 12:38 pm ET)
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                              You make no sense at all. Try using paragraph breaks. That way all the b*llsh!t doesn't run together.

                              I've yet to meet a SINGLE Liberal, ANYWHERE, who ashamed tgo be so. That's Limbaugh-nonsense. There are no socialists here. You don't even knwo what that means. That's Beck-nonsens.

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                      • Author by starkcr31 (September 18, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
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                        Being "well-funded" is irrelevant. If people don't agree with their views, you don't have to listen to them. No one has to. The fact is, many people do agree with them. If people stop listening, they'll go away. Stop blaming "funding". The fact is, the American people are starting to realize Obama and the liberals for who they really are. That's the reason for the drop in the polls.
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                        • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 18, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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                          Being "well-funded" is irrelevant.

                          LOL. That's rich. Riiiight. I guess since we all have free speech that means we all have equal access to the airwaves too, huh?

                          Moron. If you control the media, you control the message and the b*llsh!t-fest what passes for analysis these days. But to do so takes MONEY. It's MONEY that got Rush into all those markets, not HIM or his IDEAS. (In the early days the show was given for free - takes money to GIVE something away!)

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                          • Author by joeklein395301 (September 18, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
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                            Eddie you are a nice guy don't call people who disagree with you names. How about hilary Clinton in the democratic debate said "I am not a libreal but a new prograssive". Pat caddell the democratic pollster said I don't recognise my party anymore, I don't know who these people are.
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                            • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 18, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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                              First off, look, anyone who thinks that money doesn't matter in this world is either a fool or a liar. That's not a question of what I believe or of you agreeing with me or even a partisan point. If I ever make a statement so self-evidently absurd believe me, I won't be crying about being called a mean name afterwards.

                              As far as Hillary's statement? I'll be honest. For my part I honestly coudn't tell you the difference between "liberal" and "progressive." I use those words interchangably to describe myself, most Democrats, etc... The only reason I SEE to even have a 'new word' is that conservtatives have succeeded in turning "liberal" into a criticism and "liberlism" into some kind of vice. (Again, you can do that when you have control or the media and the message.) To me the whole name-game is just marketing.

                              Finally, Pat Caddell... Again I'll be honest. I don't who that is, or what he stands for. I have no idea where he stands on issues or on the political spectrum, so I really can't comment of his statement one way or the other, other than the say that I no longer recognize what USED to be my party... namely, the Republicans.

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                              Ideological shift, I guess.
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                              • Author by joeklein395301 (September 18, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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                                Pat Caddell was the pollster for the Kennedy adminstration. I not crying but you call starkcr31 a moron, that why I made the comment. Money is the milk of politics, very important. You see every thing as a right wing conspiracy, there is something wrong with this way of thinking.
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                          • Author by starkcr31 (September 18, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
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                            Let's see if I can simplify this for you since it's apparently beyond your grasp. If people stop listening *pause for a moment to let it absorb*, sponsors will stop paying for advertising and the ratings will drop. Then, the "evil" people like Rush and his ilk will be forced off the air. Do you get it now?
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                            • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 18, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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                              What you don't get are the well established games that businesses play to maintain their market share. As for loss of money 'forcing the evil' off the air... how do you explain Beck? When you have MONEY and an AGENDA you can take a short term loss, knowing that the political gains later on will pay dividends. Limbaugh shows was given away for free at first to get market penetration. Liberal shows have been dropped even when they've gotten good ratings. If you think that media competition is fair or even, then you just have no idea.

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                              Oh well.
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                              • Author by starkcr31 (September 18, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
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                                Liberal shows fail because liberals control most of the media. The only outlet (besides Fox News) that conservatives have is talk radio. Liberals have plenty of other things, they don't need talk radio. That's why conservatives listen to it. The problem with your Beck example is that there are plenty of other conservative commentators on Fox, why would they continue taking a loss with Beck? The answer is, they wouldn't. He has lost advertisers, but there are plenty more standing in line to take their places.
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                                • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 18, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
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                                  Liberal shows fail because liberals control most of the media
                                  Myth. This falsehood is like a litmus test for right-wing brainwashing. Anyone who thinks the media is liberal immediately loses credibility. It simply isn't true.
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                            • Author by joeklein395301 (September 18, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
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                              No addie believes this is a conspiracy somebody like Goerge Soros is funding all these right wing media, therefore, they don't need advertisers. I wonder why this type of funding did not work Air America.
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                              • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 18, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
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                                I wonder why this type of funding did not work Air America.
                                It did. I listen to Air America every day. Do some research on how long it was before Fox News made a profit.
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              • Author by starkcr31 (September 18, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
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                Yeah, Obama's approval ratings going in the toilet MUST be because of the "right wing noise machine", not because he's woefully inept. Is that right? This is what is so laughable about you people. You think it's not possible to disapprove of Obama for any other reason than 1.his race, or 2.because Rush lied to you. I mean, he does no wrong so there must be some other explanation for ANY disapproval.
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 18, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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                  He does plenty wrong - EVERYTIME HE TRIES TO PLACATE THE RIGHT.

                  Obama is "woefully incompetent?"
                  Then what was Bush? Brain-dead?

                  If he's so "inept" please name anything he's screwed up so far. Name a single "failure" that isn't a direct result of Republican obstruction.

                  The American people ARE NOT "waking up" they're falling asleep all over again. Maybe the president can WAKE THEM UP this next week.

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                  Whatever
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                  • Author by joeklein395301 (September 18, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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                    In the Movie 1984 every house has a TV which nobody can turn off with "Dear leader" on 24/7. I think with Obama media blitz we are getting close. Unfortunately the more he talk more his rating goes down. He is taking a great risk going on letterman this monday. Letterman is very unpredictable and says and does anything for a cheap laugh. The Letterman audiance are on his side. Does Obama know he is the president now does not need to go on these comedy shows to get his massage out.
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                    • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 18, 2009 4:44 pm ET)
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                      Letterman is very unpredictable and says and does anything for a cheap laugh.
                      No worries. Democrats generally have a good sense of humor, and Obama has shown that he can take a joke and even poke fun at himself.
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                      • Author by joeklein395301 (September 18, 2009 11:14 pm ET)
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                        a Preacher should go were the sinners are. Obama is not going on Fox news sunday. He packs a place with union worker then gives a speech, then enjoys the cheer . He does not understand they are already on his side and they don't need anymore speaches. In my opinion this guy is very thin skinned and can not tolerate criticism.
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                        • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 19, 2009 5:31 am ET)
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                          In my opinion this guy is very thin skinned and can not tolerate criticism.
                          And futher revelations by joe, "Night is Day", "War is Peace", "The Sky is Green".
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (September 18, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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                    I said "woefully inept", but either word works. What hasn't he screwed up so far? The stimulus package that "had to be passed right away" or the universe would implode hasn't even been spent, he can't even get his own party on board with his (assuming there even is one) health care bill. He's trying to shove something through when no one even knows whats in it, exactly like the stimulus. At least the intelligent democrats aren't sheeple and are actually opposing such insanity. I wish they had done so the first time around so we wouldn't be another trillion dollars in debt to spend on pork projects.
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                    • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 18, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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                      The stimulus is working. Even the right-wing WSJ has admitted this.
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        • Author by joeklein395301 (September 17, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
             
          The democrate majority house just voted to cut all funding to ACORN.
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      • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:34 am ET)
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        Wow. Good one, Randy.

        The public school system can finally be proud.
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        • Author by fantagor (September 17, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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          Ah, sir, your wit is too rapier sharp. Thou hast bested me. No, not bested me. Made my point for me.

          Randy
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      • Author by bradmann42 (September 17, 2009 9:14 am ET)
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        It is amazing what sort of pretzel logic that you use. You saw these tapes and decided that the ACORN employees were the ones playing the game. Genetics can't explain your delusions. Please don't skip taking your meds again.
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        • Author by JoshSN (September 17, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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          That's what the ACORN employee in the first video says she was doing. That's her explanation, for example, why she admitted to killing her still-living husband.

          Any other reasons why she might have done that, you think?
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          • Author by bradmann42 (September 17, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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            --'Any other reasons why she might have done that, you think?' Street cred. It is cool in these circles to be a gangsta.
            If she was just playin the game, then why did she get fired?
            Why aren't you all upset that she was fired?
            Why doesn't she sue ACORN for wrongful termination?
            You would have us believe that she saw right through this, and instead of showing these two impostors to the door, or giving them safe, stock answers, she decided to say some things that would get her fired.
            This is the kind of thing 60 minutes used to do, and they were cheered for it.
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            • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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              Street cred. It is cool in these circles to be a gangsta.
              With a white boy pimp who makes D.J. Qualls look like Arnold Schwarzenegger?
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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 17, 2009 2:40 pm ET)
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              If she was just playin the game, then why did she get fired?
              Perhaps she shouldn't have been.

              Why aren't you all upset that she was fired?
              Personally, I hadn't heard.

              Why doesn't she sue ACORN for wrongful termination?
              If it over this nonsense, and the facts as I understand them, are accurate, she should.
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        • Author by fantagor (September 17, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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          What part of my logic is pretzel-esque? The part about the fact that no one was murdered, or the fact that the undercover dweebs broke the law?

          Randy
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    • Author by uswgo (September 16, 2009 4:00 pm ET)
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      ACORN is like the NAZIS of today. In fact everyone resist against the swine flu vaccines!

      Revolt against mandatory vaccines and look for alternative methods to fight swine flu
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    • Author by captfoster2 (September 16, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
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      Gretchen Carlson repeated the allegation, saying, "She killed somebody? Despite this, some lawmakers want to keep funding the group." She later claimed that the husband was still alive, "according to ACORN."

      Actually Gretchen...

      That would be the ex-husband himself who claimed that he was alive, not just ACORN.

      Oh wait, perhaps the ex-husband really isn't the ex-husband and it was actually the Clinton's who did it (since they are so well versed in making murder look like suicide) and the lady in the video was trying to cover up for the Obama's really and that it reaches all the way to the Carter administration because why else would he be so forward about exposing all that Southern racism and lets not forget about right-wing corporate fear of minorities being able to vote...
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      • Author by Handsome Pete (September 16, 2009 5:36 pm ET)
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        The rumors of his death have been greatly exagerrated.
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      • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 16, 2009 6:08 pm ET)
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        That would be the ex-husband himself who claimed that he was alive, not just ACORN.
        This brings about visions of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, "I'm not dead yet." Or maybe The Chris Farrely Show on SNL:

        Chris Farrely: Remember when you were in The Beatles?

        Paul McCartney: Yeah

        Chris Farrely: Remember when there was this rumor that you were dead?

        Paul McCartney: Yeah

        Chris Farrely: That was a hoax, right?

        Paul McCartney: Yeah. I wasn't really dead.
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        • Author by shaggles (September 16, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
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          Farley was great. I saw that Chippendales clip in one of the Patrick Swayze tributes yesterday. It didn't even occur to me until just now that Farley is also no longer with us.
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        • Author by Conchobhar (September 17, 2009 8:11 pm ET)
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          "Paul McCartney: Yeah. I wasn't really dead."

          Oh yeh? Prove it.
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    • Author by Anthony (September 16, 2009 4:56 pm ET)
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      Those lies keep on giving and blowing up in their faces
      just not on Fox and CNN, yet.
      I love the simple tactic by Mrs Kaelke, scam the scammers during
      their own setup. Priceless!
      I am starting to ask myself if there were or still are any known concrete (job or other) relation of James O'Keefe to Andrew Breitbart?
      The history similarity of them both fabricated evidences can not be mere coincidence.
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    • Author by dirkdiggler (September 16, 2009 5:27 pm ET)
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      What a joke Faux News-How can they ever believe what an employee working for ACORN says?
      Also, why is covering Faux News more of a priority then what ACORN actually got caught doing on video? Really child prostitution abosolutely sickening
      "This is journalistic malpractice, plain and simple," said Eric Burns, president of Media Matters
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      • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 2:36 pm ET)
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        Really child prostitution abosolutely sickening
        There was no child prostitution involved.
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    • Author by crbowers (September 16, 2009 5:38 pm ET)
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      I'm still not 100% sure. The "just acting" story may be true, but wouldn't any reasonable/rational person just simply tell them to leave or call the police if someone came in asking for advice on how to set up a prostitution business that involved underage girls? Everyone knows in this day and age that you dont joke about serious things like that with complete strangers.

      We should wait and see on the murder issue.

      "From the initial investigation conducted, the claims do not appear to be factual. Investigators have been in contact with the involved party's known former husbands, who are alive and well."

      Key words being "initial investigations" and "known former husbands". We should wait and see how that turns out.

      As far as the date of the videos, camera dates can be incorrect for any number of reasons. I dont put too much weight on that.
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    • Author by mary59 (September 16, 2009 5:45 pm ET)
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      I have to say, this Kaelke must be a bit strange too. Although I understand the urge to say outrageous things to boobs, it wasn't the brightest way to handle it.
      Theator of the absurd, Faux edition.
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      • Author by tonyfro23 (September 16, 2009 5:58 pm ET)
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        no clue what gretchen said, what hannity said, but i can promise what beck said as i heard it live and its still on my dvd and i double checked. after going over that part of the video he clearly said they hadn't been able to verify any part of that statement by that goofy chick. That was made clear....although i would totally agree it could have/should have been done ahead of time...but he did clearly say it wasn't known if that possibly was a true statement or someone just running their flap
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 16, 2009 8:57 pm ET)
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        Yeah, that was a pretty strange story to make up for a stranger, Mary. I just get the feeling that the ACORN people were playing with the scammers, and weren't buying a bit of their story.

        I've had a few jobs where I had to work directly with the public on a regular basis,and I met my share of looneys.Aside from the sleazy tax advice, I'm not sure how I would have handled the clownish "pimp and prostitute" if I were in the ACORN peoples' place.
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        • Author by mary59 (September 16, 2009 9:19 pm ET)
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          When one of my sons was about 14, we went to a party and a woman sort of gushed at him, "and what is your name?" He said "Buck." (His name is Matt.) When I asked him why he gave a fake name, he just said he didn't feel like telling her anything. But he didn't tell her he'd murdered anyone, thankfully ;-)
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        • Author by fairliberal (September 16, 2009 9:50 pm ET)
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          I guess the acorn workers in all the different offices were also making it all up and "on to" the "scammers". Yeah right, that must be it. Acorn people are all a bunch of choir boys, I forgot.

          I guess the new tape that was released today was also an example of acorn staff on to the scammers. Wow, they are so smart.
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          • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 2:40 pm ET)
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            Wow, they are so smart.
            Yes, they are. It was obvious to anyone that the pimp was fake. Borat has more believability. The Acorn workers should have sent them packing instead of playing along. For that, they deserve to be fired. However, that's all this is. It reminds me of when Sarah Palin was punked by a Montreal radio station pretending to be French president Sarkozy.
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            • Author by starkcr31 (September 17, 2009 4:19 pm ET)
                 
              The difference Sarah Palin didn't agree to help them in a crime. How do you know they were just "playing along"? It sure looked legitimate to me. If they were indeed playing along, don't they better things to do?
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              • Author by congero6189599 (September 17, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
                   
                Well how much money did they get? Police say the womens husband and ex are alive and well. I guess that is one way to know.
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              • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
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                It sure looked legitimate to me.
                Cons see whatever matches best with their ideology.
                If they were indeed playing along, don't they better things to do?
                So now you want to micromanage the running of a community group? Don't
                you
                have better things to do?
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                • Author by starkcr31 (September 17, 2009 10:21 pm ET)
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                  Sort of like when libs see racism in place they look.
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                  • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 11:30 pm ET)
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                    Sort of like when libs see racism in place they look.
                    Is that Yoda-speak? How fun. Let me try. "Racism doesn't exist, you think. Expected to admit it a racist would not be."
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (September 18, 2009 10:25 am ET)
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                      In EVERY place they look.
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                      • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 18, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
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                        In EVERY place they look.
                        No kidding. I would never have been able to guess what the missing word was. It's good to know that the self-appointed spelling/grammar policeman can make a typo himself.
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        • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:40 am ET)
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          Right. I'm sure they'd just ad lib a complete theatrical performance just to "fool" the fake pimp and ho. Yeah...those ACORN employees looked like the cream of the crop.

          If you can't call a spade a spade then why bother even watching news events as they happen?

          Those employees looked and acted bright enough to make the entire public school system worth its weight in gold.

          IF none of these allegations are true then why are investigations being launched all over the place? Why did Obama finally cave in and ommit them from the census? Why have these employees been suspended? Why has ACORN launched an (bogus) independent investigation? Why, why, why?
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          • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 2:41 pm ET)
               
            Yeah...those ACORN employees looked like the cream of the crop.
            Seems like it.
            f you can't call a spade a spade...
            ..or a racist a racist
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            • Author by starkcr31 (September 17, 2009 4:21 pm ET)
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              Yeah, if you criticize ACORN, Obama or any other black person, you're a racist.
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              • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 4:53 pm ET)
                   
                Yeah, if you criticize ACORN, Obama or any other black person, you're a racist.
                Here's a hint: The word 'spade' is a pejorative term for a black person.

                I guess I should post twice each time, once for the clever folks who don't have to have simple things explained to them, and one for the cons.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (September 17, 2009 10:19 pm ET)
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                  That's the way you interpret it because you're a liberal that seems to find racism around every corner. That's your choice. It doesn't make it true. You may be obsessed with race, but not all of us are.
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                  • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 11:33 pm ET)
                       
                    That's the way you interpret it because you're a liberal that seems to find racism around every corner.
                    spade (spād)
                    n.
                    Offensive Slang. Used as a disparaging term for a Black person.
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (September 18, 2009 10:27 am ET)
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                      Oh please. I guess you've never heard the phrase "call a spade a spade". If you really think that's a race thing, you are more delusional than I could have possibly imagined.
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                      • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 18, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
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                        Oh please. I guess you've never heard the phrase "call a spade a spade".
                        Of course I have. My response was a snark. It doesn't bother me that you cons are too thick to get humor. You aren't my target audience anyway.
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    • Author by jpeagle21 (September 16, 2009 8:10 pm ET)
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      Hmmmmm....lets see if I can figure out this strategy. Focus on the possibly bogus husband-killer thing so that people stop thinking about the "offering advive on starting a brothel that serves up underage girls as sex slaves." Oh yea, and the whole "they are getting millions (possibly billions) in tax money." Good one.
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      • Author by mary59 (September 16, 2009 9:22 pm ET)
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        Mr. Beegle,
        You really should get a grip on this obsession of yours with pimps and brothels. Beck and you might benefit from some mental health services; they can help with these kind of addictions.

        Oh yeah, and the lying thing about ACORN and tax money ploy. Lame.
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 16, 2009 9:34 pm ET)
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          And I would ask jpeagle if he's equally outraged at Blackwaters alleged child prostitution rings as he is at ACORN's completely imaginary prostitution rings, but I think I've given up on any of the dittobots answering that question.
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          • Author by fairliberal (September 16, 2009 9:52 pm ET)
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            Oh, that's a switch, now you acknowledge that the charges again Blackwater are "alleged" At least we can see the outrageous behavior of acorn.
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (September 16, 2009 11:17 pm ET)
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            Alleged, being the key word.

            I'm guessing you don't have a problem with Uber-liberal rag THE NATION being the driving force behind these accusations? The same author who made millions on his book and documentary on Blackwater.

            There are some fairly wild accusations being bandied about.."illegal weapons" in Iraq (oh the horror!), the "super double secret" plan to kill ALL Muslims, operators using racial slurs, Blackwater supported Republicans (the worst horror I'm sure!).

            While I'm sure you might get to smack the hand of an operator using racial slurs against muslims, the more serious accusations will most certainly turn out to be false.

            While John Doe #1's accusations are more believable than John Doe #2's it's their use of terminology and descriptions that lead one to believe that these were not ELITE soldiers that Xe recruits but some uninformed civilians that had some contact with Xe. I can't ever remember talking to an SOF operator who said things like, "semi-automatic machine guns", "hand grenade launcher" ect...

            I'm guessing this is more of a publicity stunt the left is using to try and win legal cases against Xe. Don't be surprised when the charges are found to be false and witnesses hard to come by. After all there are reams of bandwidth dedicated to this but no credible links...just left wing loon sites.
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            • Author by congero6189599 (September 16, 2009 11:54 pm ET)
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              You'd be guessing and and as usual you would be wrong scooter or bony,anyway...you would be wrong!
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              • Author by Tbone Slickens (September 17, 2009 12:05 am ET)
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                What are the facts YOU base that on?

                This should be interesting...
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                • Author by congero6189599 (September 17, 2009 1:03 am ET)
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                  Well for one bony you misrepresented who was driving the case unless your saying that John Doe#1 and #2 work for the Nation or Jeremy Scahil? You have proof? Also the attorney representing them is:"Susan Burke, a private attorney working in conjunction with the Center for Constitutional Rights, is suing Blackwater in five separate civil cases filed in the Washington, DC, area."

                  So either you have proof of what your saying....well.
                  I believe JD 1$2 because what they say in their sworn affadavits can be seen in action. take for example the Nisor Square shootings Sept,16,2007 in Baghdad,where 17 Iraqi civilians were killed some shot in the back. 5 Blackwater employees are awaiting trial for manslaughter,with a 6th Jeremy Ridgewater already pleading guilty to manslaughter and attempting to commit manslaughter and guess what he is cooperating with the prosecution. I bet he has some good stories to tell about killing Haji's and ragheads and how he was recruited etc.,etc. Long prison sentences have a way of making canaries sing ,loyalty be damned. Hmmmm,lets see what else, how about the allegations about illegal weapons has been also been reported by :"...ABC News's Brian Ross reported in November 2008 that a "federal grand jury in North Carolina is investigating allegations the controversial private security firm Blackwater illegally shipped assault weapons and silencers to Iraq, hidden in large sacks of dog food..."

                  So J.D.1$2 are not the only sources for this allegation. Your guess that charges will be thrown out based on how they labeled weapons is weak and unless you have something more than that like facts I'd say your talking out your butt bony. But we'll see on Oct. 5, when Judge Ellis rules.
                  Nisor Square 17 dead Iraqi civilians one conviction 5 awaiting trial doesn't look good there either, so I'd say Col. and Mary were correct in their post. The information I gathered came from this article by Jeremy Scahil @ the NATION but the facts are easily verifiable and nothing said is in dispute unless you know otherwise. Your serve scooter!:-)
                  http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090817/scahill
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                  • Author by Tbone Slickens (September 17, 2009 8:47 am ET)
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                    You might get an assault charge smeg, but I doubt you're going to get the 30yr min sentence they face under the 80's era drug law your ambulance chasers are pushing.

                    Xe was/is working for the State Dpt. (every time Hillary sets foot, if she even has, in Iraq guess who is providing her security? Care to guess?) That law doesn't apply to State Dpt as given credence by the Congressional Budget Office report which said the law does not apply to civilians working for agencies other than the Defense Dept. Proposals to expand that law have not passed in congress. Good luck on that one!

                    One more high hurdle for your smeg. The evidence was obtained improperly after the shootings. Interviews were conducted under legal protections against self-incrimination and the operators were told that the statements could not be used against them. Those darn LAWS!

                    On serve smeg. You're down a set.
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (September 17, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
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                      Down a set hardly. As usual your post is factually challenged. "Might get an assualt charge." Well i guess that is a step up from your assertion before that all we would get is a slap on the hand for racial slurs(sic). But as I have already pointed out there has already been a conviction, Jeremy Ridgeway has pleaded guilty to manslaughter and attempting to commit manslaughter and is currently cooperating with the prosecution, a case of selective amnesia on your part I guess...ouch! Oh well. It seems your crytal ball may have a few smudges on them also as the light has been shining on Xe,aka., Blackwater(already forced to change it's name)for its cowboy antics and crusade philosophy,and as to your confused assertion of law and the state department( I have no idea what your talkinfg about) your question of who will be guarding Hillary Clinton if she visits Iraq guess what it won't be Blackwater. After the murder of 17 of it's citizens the Iraqi government government demanded the removal of Xe from it's cities and although it didn't happen immediately Blackwater was removed from all diplomatic operations in the hub of Baghdad as of May7,2009. With all operations to end in Iraq by the end of this month. That was according to a Susan Ziadeh a U.S. embassy spokesman. The operation will continue with a new provider Herndon,Virginia based Triple Canopy. The more the light is shined on Xe(had to change it's name due to the negative publicity, and has been denied a training site near San Diego due to citizen outrage and protest small victories)the more we learn. It is undeniable that Blackwaters actions has hurt and set back U.S. foreign policy goals in iraq(how many U.S. soldiers have died or been injured by their action will never be known) it is also undeniable that Xe's actions have caused the government to take a closer at the immunity laws provided to private contractors,thus the trial of 5 Blackwater employees and the conviction of one(Jeremy Ridgeway). Murder is still against the law, and we still have foreign policy interest and goals to be met. Xe's actions have also thrust another question to the front one you seem comfortable to ignore:Do you really want to have people who don't have their allegiance to U.S. government but rather to a corporate interest, be the ones influencing U.S foreign policy. Eric Princes profits over long term U.S. interest. Those ambulance chasers(sic) as you call them have already achieved a lot of victories as I documented. Accountablity ring a bell.I'am no lawyer but things are changing if nothing else the roaches are scattering.

                      Your serve misses the mark Scooter. You lambast a few community organizers for deeds that they have been fired for, that never were implemented, and never saw a tax-payer dime spent on, and despite what Sean Hannity says noone was murdered over yet you are wiling to excuse over a technicality murder by Xe employees of a giant company. Xe aka., Blackwater has received over 1 billion dollars in tax-payer(government) copntracts since March 2003 the start of the Iraq war. Hmmmm., what a shame and a scam. So bones while you and your fellow cons search and create boogeyman , us serious folk will attend to the business of ensuring this great country live up to its ideals for E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E, even you boney!
                      Set and match over!
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                      • Author by congero6189599 (September 17, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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                        excuse me: add to the queation of private contractors influencing U.S. policy; carrying out U.S. policy while their allegiance is not to the U.S. but to a private corporation.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 17, 2009 2:57 am ET)
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              Alleged, being the key word. (Koko)


              It is a key word. The child prostitution charges against Blackwater are alleged, not proven yet, while the child prostitution charges against ACORN are totally fictional, as admitted by the only parties mentioning child prostitution.

              Yet the right wing nuts seem more concerned with the admittedly fictional crimes than those crimes testified to by credible witnesses because they were reported in a "left wing" rag.

              You get sillier and sillier, Tboner. Why don't you indulge yourself in the FEB fetish again, that was cute?.
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              • Author by LKL (September 17, 2009 3:25 pm ET)
                   
                FEB fetish?
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 17, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
                     
                  Hey, LKL. The FEB is something Tbone/Koko hitched his wagon to regarding Bush's ANG service and the memo that Dan Rather reported on.

                  I don't know what an FEB is, I think Koko is some sort of military buff weirdo, and he's always been pretty vague about what it is. As near as I can figure from his references to it, it's some sort of disciplinary or review board for misconduct in the military.

                  If I remember right, he was saying that if no evidence of an FEB can be produced, it proves that Bush fulfilled his service responsibly.

                  The problem with this argument (and Koko has way too much invested in it to see daylight) is that the basic problem with Bush's military service is that he was able to avoid the usual protocols and repercussions for his failure because of his family and connections.

                  Asking for evidence of the disciplinary measures that would be taken for the average serviceman who shirked his duty sort of works against him.

                  In other words, he's asking people to prove that Bush did receive special treatment by producing something showing that Bush didn't receive special treatment.
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          • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:43 am ET)
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            So...two wrongs make it okay for ACORN?

            Just trying to figure out progressive thinking.
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            • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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              Just trying to figure out progressive thinking.
              You can quit now. Thinking is not the con strong suit. You might as well expect an ant to comprehend a symphony.
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              • Author by congero6189599 (September 17, 2009 2:51 pm ET)
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                "You can quit now. Thinking is not the con strong suit. You might as well expect an ant to comprehend a symphony."

                Hahaha that was too funny, good one NewBee! :-)
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        • Author by DellDolly (September 16, 2009 10:28 pm ET)
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          Yeah, this is like Joe Wilson saying that the left is trying to distract our nation's discussions about health care reform by talking about his outburst during Obama's speech. Like we somehow made him make that outburst! Like we planned on him saying such a crazy thing, and then said "hey, we can use this to our advantage" in between when he said the rude thing and when the speech ended!
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        • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:42 am ET)
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          LYING ABOUT ACORN? What? There's several FEDERAL investigations going on IN MULTIPLE STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY focused solely on ACORN! How on earth are you able to smile without whiping your face is beyond me.

          Right is right. Wrong is wrong. It's really that simple.
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          • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
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            I wonder if you pulled the same kind of undercover job on a regular tax accountant, if they'd call the police. I doubt it. It's part of their job to help their clients shield money from taxes. I doubt they ask too many questions.
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      • Author by my4cents (September 16, 2009 10:05 pm ET)
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        Very good indeed. How much taxes did you pay?
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    • Author by penny_earned (September 16, 2009 9:50 pm ET)
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      Some people are saying, "I heard Dick Morris called ACORN in Baltimore to get the address of the brothel."

      I'm just sayin...
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    • Author by joeklein395301 (September 17, 2009 12:01 am ET)
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      It was the woman who was running her mouth bragging about killing her pimp, not the Fox news. Fox just played the tape. Please it is not justified to even attempt to defend these people, we are decent people, we are parents, and we do not side with anyone who gives advise how to use childern for prostitution, Your political affiliation should not matter.
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      • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (September 17, 2009 12:51 am ET)
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        Please it is not justified to even attempt to defend these people
        I know, Fox News' actions cannot be justified.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 17, 2009 2:59 am ET)
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        we do not side with anyone who gives advise how to use childern for prostitution, Your political affiliation should not matter (joelklein)


        Are you calling for the heads of Blackwater?
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    • Author by VivaChicago (September 17, 2009 3:15 am ET)
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      Isn't it about time that FOX shows like Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilley, & Hannity come with WARNINGS! Anti-American propaganda, Racist Viewpoints & LIES presented as facts? Oh yeah, and it rots your brain!

      These A-holes are doing a better job to mess with this country than old Osama Bin Laden & crew ever could! Free speech? My butt...it's TREASON!
      They are making tons of cash stabbing this country in the back! I wish they'd all go "Rapture" themselves and let us get on with cleaning up the mess they've made of this country!
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    • Author by aaniko (September 17, 2009 5:00 pm ET)
         
      It is quite apparent that Media Matters only picks on Fox because Fox has actual NEWS unlike the former mass media, now dubbed the Irrelevant Media. For the first few days some at the irrelevant media did not even know about Acorn. Wow, what capable journalists.
      Beck and Hannity on the other hand, never claimed to be journalists, their main job is commentators, however, when they found that the irrelevant media was bought and paid for by the Obama administration, they knew that they now had to take up the task of reporting news.
      The next thing that we find is that our new Regulation Czar, Cass Sunstein wants to bring back the “Fairness Doctrine”. This would effectively shout out any and all news that was in any was dissenting to the Obama administration. Why? Because Fox is getting too close to the truth about Obama and his fascist agenda.
      The left wing liberals are the "head in the sand" crowd. Don’t tell me the truth, I want to hold on to my way of thinking. From this comment section, it is quite apparent that none of these lefties venture out of their left wing comfort zone, even to ponder if there are any other truths out there.
      Acorn, SEIU and Obama have been joined at the hip for many years. They were instrumental in getting him elected to the Senate in Illinois. They were also obviously up to their eyeballs in getting him elected president. Obama, on video, promised both Acorn and SEIU that they would help with the country’s new agenda, once he was in office and even told them that they would have a seat at his table. Pretty cozy, don’t you think.
      When the right wing came out to protest healthcare reform, Obama told the liberals to come at them twice as hard. They recruited SEIU members to go to these town hall meetings and one of the SEUI members beat up a black right wing protesters. Wonderful people at SEIU. We’ll find out soon as to what will happen with SEIU.
      Acorn has been involved in voter registration fraud. In Las Vegas, prosecutors found correspondence from Acorn’s main office that verified that Acorn workers were told to get at least a certain number of registrations per day in order to be able to keep their job. In every case, when their workers were prosecuted, and there have been about 60, Acorn threw them “under the bus”, effectively washing their hands in this matter. They have also fired 4 of the workers shown on these last videos. Me thinks something is rotten in Acorn.
      Now we have several states who will be conducting investigations into Acorn activities all throughout the country. Louisiana has just subpoenaed Acorn’s books. You think something maybe amiss here? And I am sure that when the investigations are finished, people will be blown away as to the extent of fraud and how high up this leads in Washington DC.
      So until you get out of your liberal comfort zone and get some facts that are in the conservative newspapers and blog, just try and maintain civil discourse because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
      Better to keep your mouth shut and have people guessing you’re a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it.
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