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April 08, 2010 11:28 am ET

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Media Matters' Burns: There are "real consequences" to network's history of violent rhetoric

Washington, DC - Today, after the mother of Gregory Giusti -- the man arrested for allegedly threatening Speaker Nancy Pelosi's life over health care reform -- stated that Fox News was a factor in her son's alleged actions, Media Matters for America released the following statement:

"The violent language and scare tactics we see on Fox News every day have real consequences," said Eric Burns, President of Media Matters. "This is a network that ran a 14-month campaign against health care reform, which left their viewers confused and angry. The question is, now that one of those viewers has allegedly threatened Speaker Pelosi's life over health care reform, is Fox News going to do anything about it?"

BACKGROUND

On April 7, the Los Angeles Times reported that "[s]everal federal officials say the man [Giusti] made dozens of calls to Pelosi's homes in California and Washington, D.C., and to her husband's business office. The suspect allegedly recited her home address and said that if she wanted to see it again, she should not support the healthcare overhaul bill that was recently signed." The same day, Giusti's mother, Eleanor Giusti, made the following comments to ABC's San Francisco affiliate, KGO-TV:

ELEANOR GIUSTI: Greg has -- frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical ideas and that are not consistent with myself or the rest of the family and -- which gets him into problems. And apparently I would say this must be another one that somehow he's gotten onto either by -- I'd say Fox News or all of those that are really radical, and he -- that's where he comes from.

As Media Matters has noted, Fox News hosts and guests have repeatedly used violent rhetoric and apocalyptic language to describe health care reform and other issues. Additionally, a number of network personalities have a history of issuing inflammatory remarks about Pelosi. Most notably, Glenn Beck discussed "put[ting] poison" in Pelosi's wine:

INFLAMMATORY REMARKS ABOUT PELOSI

  • Beck talks about "put[ting] poison" in Pelosi's wine. Glenn Beck stated:

BECK: So, Speaker Pelosi, I just wanted to -- you gonna drink your wine? Are you blind? Do those eyes not work? There you -- I want you to drink it now. Drink it. Drink it. Drink it.

I really just wanted to thank you for having me over here to wine country. You know, to be invited, I thought I had to be a major Democratic donor or a longtime friend of yours, which I'm not.

By the way, I put poison in your -- no, I -- I look forward to all the policy discussions that we're supposed to have -- you know, on health care, energy reform, and the economy. [Glenn Beck, 8/6/09]

  • Cal Thomas: Pelosi's "deliberately provocative" walk across Capitol was like "the march through Skokie, Illinois, by the Nazis." Columnist Cal Thomas said, "When Nancy Pelosi went through those tea partiers, it was like -- what should we analogize this to? -- the march through Skokie, Illinois, by the Nazis. It was deliberately provocative. They wanted a reaction." [Fox News Watch, 3/27/10]
  • Fox & Friends re-enacts pro-life heckler who told Pelosi to "burn in hell." Co-host Steve Doocy played a heckler who shouted, "Nancy Pelosi, you'll burn in hell!" during a Pelosi speech while co-host Alisyn Camerota imitated Pelosi. After they re-enacted the events, co-host Peter Johnson Jr. laughed. [Fox & Friends, 10/30/09]
  • Beck asks if Pelosi was "inciting" tea partiers with House gavel -- "a big hammer." Beck asked, "If [Pelosi] was really worried about violence and she thought these people were violent, why would you grab a big hammer and walk into a sea of these people?" He later asked, "Did anyone say to Nancy Pelosi, 'You're inciting these people. You're slapping them across the face'?" [Glenn Beck, 3/25/10]
  • O'Reilly says Pelosi is pushing "Fidel Castro stuff." Bill O'Reilly stated that "Nancy Pelosi and her far-left crew want to raise the top tax rate to 45 percent. That's not capitalism, that's Fidel Castro stuff, confiscating wages that people honestly earn. [The O'Reilly Factor, 11/4/2009]
  • Beck lists Pelosi among California's "really dangerous people" that include communists, eco-terrorists, Black Panthers. Beck stated that "California has become quite a hotbed for all kinds of radicals -- communists, socialists, all in the 1960s, but they were here before -- progressives. Now, eco-terrorists, they're here. You have the Panthers formed here. Nancy Pelosi is here. A lot of really dangerous people in a state as volatile as this one, and it is on the edge." [Glenn Beck, 2/9/10]
  • O'Reilly hosts tea party activist who says it "would have been more symbolic had [Pelosi] had a whip." On The O'Reilly Factor, tea party activist Kevin Jackson characterized the walk to the Capitol by Pelosi and other members of Congress on the day the House voted for health care reform as "this very wealthy white lady leading a group of black, you know, men up to the thing with her gavel in her hand. It would have been more symbolic had she had a whip." [The O'Reilly Factor, 3/31/10]
  • Miller: Pelosi has a "sub-reptilian intellect." On The O'Reilly Factor, radio host Dennis Miller claimed that voters "did not want to turn $1.2 million over to a sub-reptilian intellect like Nancy Pelosi." After O'Reilly compared Pelosi's comments following the November 2009 elections to "George Custer at the Little Big Horn, before the arrow went through his throat," Miller added, "This woman could lose a game of Tic-Tac-Toe to an amoeba, for God's sakes. It will show you the holes in the system we have that this is the most powerful woman in the United States of America. Look at her -- she's sub-reptilian. ... Empty, vapid, nobody's home." [The O'Reilly Factor, 11/4/09]
  • Miller: "If you go in with her and the long knives ... you better be ready to play hard." Dennis Miller said of Pelosi: "There's blood in the water on her, and I hope they bring in Cousteau's kid to document it because this is going to be a beautiful demise. ... It's going to get ugly, and if you go in with her and the long knives, I would warn you -- and you're not a plastic surgeon, you better be ready to play hard, because you will get the speaker's gavel from her when you pry it from her cold, dead hand, as they say in the trade." [The O'Reilly Factor, 5/19/09]
  • Doocy thought O'Reilly asking if Pelosi is a "kook" was a "great question." On Fox & Friends, Doocy played a clip of O'Reilly asking Sarah Palin, "Do you think that [Pelosi's] a kook? ... Do you think she's actually crazy?" Doocy added, "What a great question: 'Is she a kook?' " [Fox & Friends, 1/13/10]

VIOLENT, APOCALYPIC RHETORIC

  • Palin: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Palin posted a list of House Democrats who voted for health care reform with crosshairs aimed at their locations. In a March 23 tweet about her map, Palin wrote: " 'Don't Retreat, Instead -- RELOAD!' " Palin's list was criticized by conservative Elizabeth Hasselbeck, who introduced and endorsed Palin during the 2008 campaign, as helping foster a climate of violent rhetoric. Hasselbeck added that the list is "purely despicable" and "insane."
  • Beck: "Grab a torch." Asserting that politicians are addicted to spending, Beck stated: "When do we ever run those who are bankrupting our country and literally stealing our children's future out of town? Grab a torch." [Glenn Beck, 1/6/10]
  • Huckabee: Members of Congress "should be tarred and feathered as the original tea partiers would have done." As RightWingWatch.org noted, Fox News host Mike Huckabee said of members of Congress in January:

HUCKABEE: Every member of Congress knows in his gut what's in the people's interest and what's in K Street's interest. If you think your real boss is some smug guy in a corner office with his Gucci loafers up on a mahogany deck and not the folks back home, those folks who voted for you, who gave you 25 or 50 hard-earned bucks, who put up yard signs and made calls for you, you deserve to lose. Shame on you, you shouldn't just be fired, you should be tarred and feathered as the original tea partiers would have done. That's my view and I welcome yours. [Fox News' Huckabee, 1/25/10]

  • Stossel said he has "Barney Frank in effigy" hanging above his sofa. In a February 3 interview with New York magazine, when Fox Business host John Stossel was asked, "What's hanging above your sofa?" he responded: "Barney Frank in effigy." [New York, 2/3/10]
  • Morris: "Those crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case." During a long conspiracy theory about a "super-national authority" that will oversee U.S. financial institutions, Fox News contributor Dick Morris asserted that because President Obama's policies are "internationalist ... [t]hose crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case." [Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto, 3/31/09]
  • Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires, suggests "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." Beck aired a graphic portraying Obama and Democrats as vampires and said, "The government is full of vampires, and they are trying to suck the lifeblood out of the economy." Beck then suggested "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." [Glenn Beck, 3/30/09]
  • Beck: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter." Telling his listeners that they "are going to learn so much on Friday," Beck compared himself to "Israeli Nazi hunters" and commented, "I'm going to find these big progressives and, to the day I die, I'm going to be a progressive hunter." He added:

BECK: I'm going to find these people that have done this to our -- you know, to our country, and expose them. I don't care where -- I don't care if they're in nursing homes. I'm going to expose what they have done and make sure that the people understand, because our Constitution, our republic -- if it survives -- it will only survive because the people are waking up and through the grace of God, because we are that close to losing our republic. [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 1/20/10]

  • Beck: "This is the end of prosperity in America forever ... the end of America as you know it." Telling his audience, "You must not allow this to pass," Beck stated in November 2009 that "they're going to get passed that 60-vote barrier. And they'll get there by people like [Sen.] Joe Lieberman, who's a reasonable guy and has good intent. You'll get passed it by people like that, who say, you know what? Look, we got to be reasonable; we have to have a debate. And then Harry Reid will go for the 51 count and he'll pass this thing. And it will be a nail in the coffin of America." Beck added: "You must -- must get on the phone in your districts. You must wake everybody up you know. This is the end of prosperity in America forever if this bill passes. This is the end of America as you know it." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 11/19/09]
  • Beck: "[T]he fundamental transformation of America is complete." Beck also said: "Not only are they doing health care, but they are doing education in this same bill. Education and health care." He added: "It is overwhelming the system. And I'm telling you, if this bill passes -- health care and education all in one bill -- if this passes, the fundamental transformation of America is complete. There's no going back from this point. It must not pass." [The Glenn Beck Program, 3/15/10]
  • Beck: "If you can be deemed someone who maybe shouldn't have a baby, they can have their people come in." Beck said on his Fox News show: "You know and I know in this 2,300-page bill that includes education, the control that this government has is endless. They will -- if this passes, they will control every aspect of your life." Beck further said: "They will be able to -- there is places in here that if you can be deemed someone who maybe shouldn't have a baby, they can have their people come in. The government is in our homes on this." [Glenn Beck, 3/16/10]
  • Beck: We lose "the Democratic Party to the socialists." On his March 19 Fox News program, Beck stated: "If this passes, I think it makes the election of people like Lindsey Graham, who are the compromise with big government, darn near impossible, because you can't tone this one down. You've got to pull this back by strong constitutionalists. Don't we -- if this passes, don't we lose, really, the Democratic Party to the socialists? And the Republican Party either has to be, you know, real federalists, real people that understand controlled power, or you are going to have a third party?" [Glenn Beck, 3/19/10]
  • Moore: "This is a dark day for America if we pass this bill." Discussing the market reaction to passing the health bill, The Wall Street Journal's Stephen Moore said on Fox News: "I think personally -- I think that the markets have always thought for the last year and a half that eventually this day would come. And I think, by the way, this is a dark day for America if we pass this bill." [America's News HQ, 3/21/10]
  • Cal Thomas claimed health reform "is an outrage" and "a sham"; "[e]uthanasia is coming." On Fox News' America's News HQ, Thomas said the health bill is "a triumph of the humanistic, atheistic philosophy. Instead of being endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, those rights are going to be taken away by bureaucrats who will decide whether you get a hip replacement or a heart bypass, based on your age and your ability to pay more taxes." He continued:

THOMAS: It is an outrage. It is a sham. Euthanasia is coming. You can call them death panels. That's exactly what they're going to be. We are going to really be sorry for this, but, unfortunately, when the guy in the white robe comes to give us our little pill, as President Obama told ABC, the 100-year-old woman who wants to live must get in order to make it equal for everybody and not to spend so much, it will be too late. [America's News HQ, 11/21/09]

  • Hannity: "If we get nationalized health care, it's over; this is socialism." In November 2009, Sean Hannity said, "When you look at the extreme czars, and you look at Barack Obama, and you look at the Barack Obama that portrayed himself one year ago as a very different candidate, you know, why -- I feel like I have been vindicated. I was excoriated for saying he is far more radical than people know. You know, what do you see about him? Do you think he is far -- do you think he's a socialist? Do you think he's -- because I think this is -- if we get nationalized health care, it's over. This is socialism, and that's a kind word." [Fox News' Hannity, 11/2/09]
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    • Author by dkylep (April 08, 2010 11:51 am ET)
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      Aaaaaaand queue the right-wing nuts who are going to claim that this is actually a plot by the eeeeeevil lefties to make Fox News look bad. That the mother is actually some horrible woman and the son is a 'patriot' or some such.

      Well, it certainly will be interesting to see what kind of spin is put on this, now that the violent rhetoric has produced somebody who actually wants to use violence! What a giant surprise!

      Like I said, it'll be interesting to see what kind of spin they try to put on this. Terrifying, but interesting.

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      • Author by markbfoot199 (April 09, 2010 11:03 am ET)
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        Where can I find the T.V news channel will lead with a story about Gov Christi and the hate speech letter the union put out for his prayer for death? Think MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN or any other news will talk about it?
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        • Author by Jim Rockford (April 09, 2010 11:23 am ET)
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          These repub false equivalency efforts got tiresome long ago. You guys site a few obscure Democratic deviations in the face of tons of massive widespread consistent orchestrated repub hostilities, and say "ehhhh.. both parties do it, so shut up." You did the same thing regarding the MASSIVE repub sponsored effort at misinformation as to health care and the extremely hostile crowds at town halls. The equivalency just isn't there.
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    • Author by jonesjax2374 (April 08, 2010 12:29 pm ET)
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      I wish there was something we could do to stop this, but its in sticky wicket free speech arena. Be terrific if they could be stripped of the words "NEWS" and the slogan "FAIR AND BALANCED." Or, perhaps like a warning label, the word LIE could be the running banner at the bottom? You can't avoid crazies, but you can be responsible. I don't know how you legislate that. No accounting for taste and stupidity.
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      • Author by angels4light (April 08, 2010 1:20 pm ET)
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        Free speech is not unrestricted. Inciting to violence, for example, is not a protected form of speech.
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    • Author by manofmystique (April 08, 2010 12:53 pm ET)
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      What would you expect from people who uses code words and subliminal messages?
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    • Author by Space-Pedestrian (April 08, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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      Indeed the comments from Guisti's mother are the kind of fodder that President Burns lives off of. While I do not endorse any kind of violence towards the Speaker or any other elected leader, it is all too convenient to blame the "anger and confusion" on a network. Liberals are way too comfortable saying that dissent is borne only of conservative media manipulation of obfuscation - basically calling the electorate stupid. The fact is, people have principled arguments against liberal policies and legislation that is well-founded. It is just that liberals have no tolerance for them and play the game of calling it blind rage, racism, ignorance, or any other convenient and mindless argument. By the way, Pelosi looks like a skeleton and the best thing would be for her to be voted out. God knows her approval ratings are in the toilet amongst her constituency.
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      • Author by goonhee9633 (April 08, 2010 1:46 pm ET)
           
        Wow, you are a piece of work. Talk about touching all the bases (liberal intolerance, Pelosi's looks, etc.) without really addressing the topic at hand. And by the way, the only reason why her approval ratings may be in the toilet among her constituency (i.e the folks that elected her, and I don't think that they are, is that she is not liberal/progressive enough.
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      • Author by manofmystique (April 08, 2010 3:38 pm ET)
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        to Spacecadet

        Surely you don't expect civilized people to ignore stupidity, hate and ignorance from people who put it on display, especially people who are misled by propaganda, fear-mongering and lies. Nor can you expect good decent folks to stay silence when those who help incite a mob refuse to denounce the "few" who act on their hate/rage, knowing this will only encourage others.
        Since Republicans don't want to denounce (with conviction) these misfits (tea-baggers), they will be defined by them... and rightfully so.
        They got these dangerous criminals railed up behind a healthcare bill that will benefit them.
        How stupid is that? How stupid can people be?
        These tea-bagging mobs have absolutely no credibility. Where the hell were they when Bush was creating all these problem?
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (April 08, 2010 3:50 pm ET)
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        Indeed the comments from Guisti's mother are the kind of fodder that President Burns lives off of.

        Since this is the first time I've seen Eric Burns respond to the statement of a criminal suspect's mother, I would guess that the ball's in your court trying to substantiate this.

        While I do not endorse any kind of violence towards the Speaker or any other elected leader,

        That does you credit. Of course, it would do you more credit if you objected when Fox does endorse such violence.

        it is all too convenient to blame the "anger and confusion" on a network.

        You may be right; Giusti's apparent mental illness may have been caused by something else and only exacerbated by Fox.

        Liberals are way too comfortable saying that dissent is borne only of conservative media manipulation of [sic] obfuscation - basically calling the electorate stupid.

        I'd like to see such a quote. I doubt one exists.

        The fact is, people have principled arguments against liberal policies and legislation that is well-founded.

        If that's the case, then why don't Fox and the Tea Partiers actually use these "principled arguments," instead of resorting to nonsense?

        It is just that liberals have no tolerance for them and play the game of calling it blind rage, racism, ignorance, or any other convenient and mindless argument.

        Now you're becoming unhinged, Space_Case. Liberals are the ones who have no tolerance for principled arguments? You've just given the short definition of neocons. Furthermore, there's nothing wrong in identifying blind rage, racism, ignorance, etc., when it's clearly what's being displayed.

        By the way, Pelosi looks like a skeleton and the best thing would be for her to be voted out.

        And here you were apparently trying to be serious. After a fair but failed attempt, you degenerate into juvenile name-calling about Pelosi's appearance. What was that about "mindless arguments"?

        God knows her approval ratings are in the toilet amongst her constituency.

        Possibly, but the election is a long way away. Even though politicians' approval ratings tend to be low, they still tend to be re-elected. And even if she were voted out, the Democratic Party would just choose a new speaker for your side to demonize. You won't have accomplished anything, really.
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        • Author by donwelty (April 08, 2010 4:21 pm ET)
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          Furthermore, it is incendiary and unhelpful for Fox news to refer to anything as "socialist," "communist," "Nazi," or any other derogatory term. Those terms do not enlighten--they incite. Those are not principles, but labeling and ad hominem attacks that preclude discussion of principles. To use positive labels for the Republican congressmen and senators also is not helpful although it is more tolerated. If Fox commentators are going to discuss principled differences, they will have to learn a polite way of behaving. If we took out the name calling and advocacy of right wing causes, Bill O'Reilly's show would be be only 15 minutes long and Hannity's show and Beck's show--and Limbaugh's, for that matter--would be about 4 minutes for each hour they currently broadcast.

          On the other hand, MSNBC's Countdown, Rachel Maddow's, Dylan Ratigan, and the Ed show would be reduced to about 50 minutes each because they could not longer talk about the stupid things that Fox says. But that would require Fox News to be responsible--which would probably not happen.

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        • Author by Space-Pedestrian (April 08, 2010 4:57 pm ET)
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          Since this is the first time I've seen Eric Burns respond to the statement of a criminal suspect's mother, I would guess that the ball's in your court trying to substantiate this.


          MMFA's very existence and charter. That was easy.

          That does you credit. Of course, it would do you more credit if you objected when Fox does endorse such violence.


          Thanks, but I don't watch Fox and haven't heard their purported call to violence. I none the less doubt it is anything more than liberal spin.

          You may be right; Giusti's apparent mental illness may have been caused by something else and only exacerbated by Fox.


          Or not. Who knows what this guy's beef is. He's obviously crazy. Maybe it was exacerbated by Nansi Pelosi's Skeletor impression.

          Now you're becoming unhinged, Space_Case. Liberals are the ones who have no tolerance for principled arguments? You've just given the short definition of neocons. Furthermore, there's nothing wrong in identifying blind rage, racism, ignorance, etc., when it's clearly what's being displayed.


          Neocons, perhaps. As a libertarian I can't speak for them. Identifying it is one thing but superimposing it as a generality onto entire groups of people is disingenuous at best.

          And here you were apparently trying to be serious. After a fair but failed attempt, you degenerate into juvenile name-calling about Pelosi's appearance. What was that about "mindless arguments"?


          Nancy looks like a villain out of a movie and I can't ignore this fact, sorry. Once she is out I won't have to look at her every day.


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          • Author by political_left-religious_right (April 08, 2010 7:31 pm ET)
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            Since this is the first time I've seen Eric Burns respond to the statement of a criminal suspect's mother, I would guess that the ball's in your court trying to substantiate this.

            MMFA's very existence and charter. That was easy.


            So easy you failed miserably. MMFA's "existence and charter" say nothing about what Eric Burns makes responses to.

            That does you credit. Of course, it would do you more credit if you objected when Fox does endorse such violence.

            Thanks, but I don't watch Fox and haven't heard their purported call to violence. I none the less doubt it is anything more than liberal spin.


            So you're doing your commenting based on something you admittedly don't know about, even to the point of reading the article? You're hopeless.

            You may be right; Giusti's apparent mental illness may have been caused by something else and only exacerbated by Fox.

            Or not. Who knows what this guy's beef is. He's obviously crazy. Maybe it was exacerbated by Nansi [sic] Pelosi's Skeletor impression.


            Make that hopeless and classless.

            Now you're becoming unhinged, Space_Case. Liberals are the ones who have no tolerance for principled arguments? You've just given the short definition of neocons. Furthermore, there's nothing wrong in identifying blind rage, racism, ignorance, etc., when it's clearly what's being displayed.

            Neocons, perhaps. As a libertarian I can't speak for them. Identifying it is one thing but superimposing it as a generality onto entire groups of people is disingenuous at best.


            Then, as a libertarian, you can't speak for liberals, either. Or do you even notice when you're superimposing a generality onto an entire group of people?

            Make that hopeless, classless, and hypocritical.

            And here you were apparently trying to be serious. After a fair but failed attempt, you degenerate into juvenile name-calling about Pelosi's appearance. What was that about "mindless arguments"?

            Nancy looks like a villain out of a movie and I can't ignore this fact, sorry. Once she is out I won't have to look at her every day.


            So, instead of acknowledging your cheap shot, much less showing any remorse over it, you try to justify it.

            To sum up, your attempt at a rebuttal was the product of some of the most inept reasoning and childish behavior I've ever seen on these boards, and that's really saying something. Go ahead and have yourself and two equally bright people pepper this comment with thumbs-downs, but nobody with any sense at all is going to appreciate your efforts.
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    • Author by MagCynic (April 08, 2010 1:57 pm ET)
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      Wow. How far have we fallen as a culture when nobody has any personal responsibility anymore? It's not Gregory Giusti's fault. It's because of FNC that he's turned so crazy. It wasn't Scott Roeder's fault. It was Bill O'Reilly that caused him to kill George Tiller.

      It's all pretty pathetic if you ask me. I think I should go kill Rush, Beck, and everybody on FNC just because of things Olbermann, Maddow, Schultz have said. Would that be alright with all of you?
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      • Author by Smith1 (April 08, 2010 2:11 pm ET)
           
        Really Mag? What has Olbermann, Maddow, or Schultz said about your heroes Beck and Rush that is as hatefilled and inflammatory as what has been said about Pelosi by Fox-GOP News operatives?

        Provide proof with links. Thanks.
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      • Author by dkylep (April 08, 2010 3:40 pm ET)
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        As usual, a canned response from you that admits no fault, no wrongdoing of the right wing, of any kind. What's pathetic is that you can try and twist the incident to try and claim that everybody is saying that Fox news and the right-wing violence-laden rhetoric is the ONLY one at fault here.

        On the contrary, the point being made (and one that has been made since the language began to become so violence-laden) is that Fox and the right-wing are helping to incite the violence in the first place, amongst people who believe that they're honest and trustworthy and actually care about their well-being, instead of just political points, power, and wealth.

        Of course the man is most directly responsible for his actions. Just as you are most directly responsible for your ignorance and lie laden posts. The difference between you and any sane, proper thinking person is that the sane and proper thinking person recognizes that actions don't take place in a vacuum. That they've been influenced by environment and other people. This in no way abrogates personal responsibility in an incident, but it sure does help provide explanations as to why the incident took place in the first place.
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        • Author by MagCynic (April 08, 2010 4:10 pm ET)
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          it sure does help provide explanations as to why the incident took place in the first place.
          Except that nobody has analyzed and interviewed these violent people to get an actual answer. Sites like MMFA are just assuming the right-wing media is to blame. Either that or they take anecdotal evidence to pin partial responsibility on FNC or Glenn Beck.

          And that's pretty much it. I have no doubt in my mind that there are people on the right (and the left) who are inherently violent and want to do spiteful things to political opponents. I have yet to hear or read any actual studies or analysis that say the rhetoric used by some members of the media is to blame, though.
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      • Author by donwelty (April 08, 2010 4:30 pm ET)
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        O'Reilly, Hannity, and Beck, and others say the things they do because Fox allows them to. Rubert Murdoch and others are just as responsible for the idiocy as O'Reilly, Hannity, and Beck. The difference between O'Reilly, Hannity, and Beck and Maddow, Olbermann, and Schultz is that Maddow, Olbermann, and Schultz are journalists and not propagandists--that is, they base a lot of what they say on facts, not just their preconceived interpretations.
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (April 08, 2010 4:56 pm ET)
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        Wow. How far have we fallen as a culture when nobody has any personal responsibility anymore?

        There you go, hitting the nail on the head.
        Faux News, Beck, et al claim no responsibility for any of the violence that they might stir up because of their rhetoric.

        Rather, it is always someone elses fault.
        Crazy people taking them out of context (it was a joke)
        Librul plants formenting hate, etc.

        Thanks for pointing that out.

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      • Author by PatrickJ08 (April 10, 2010 3:00 am ET)
           
        Stupid people believe fox has something to do with reality.
        And Fox obviously can't control its misled audience.
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    • Author by highliter (April 08, 2010 2:53 pm ET)
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      Got to Love MMFA the guys 80+ year old mother ways fox mad him do it so bam it’s now a undeniable fact the fox drove this man to violence. It could possibly be that her son is a whack job nope can’t be it all FOSs fault!!
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    • Author by MazingerZetto (April 08, 2010 2:56 pm ET)
         
      Such a disturbed person.
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    • Author by dkylep (April 08, 2010 3:33 pm ET)
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      Well, I wanted to know how the right-wing nuts would try to spin it, and I guess that the right-wing posters on these boards have answered that question, haven't they?

      It's all on this guy. It's his entire responsibility that he threatened to kill Pelosi. Fox News, the right-wing talking heads preaching how violence is coming and that 'real' patriots would not let this 'disaster' happen bear no responsibility at all. None for inciting the violence, none for claiming that they are trusted and impartial news broadcasters who only care about telling the truth and not about endorsing any particular political 'side' (what the news is supposed to do), an none about using those trusted positions to promote violent rhetoric and lies about how things are getting so horrible that it's like living in Nazi Germany now.

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    • Author by rjackson1500@yahoo.com (April 08, 2010 3:57 pm ET)
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      as i have said before the right wing is looking to get someone killed and faux news is helping to do that
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    • Author by donwelty (April 08, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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      Isn't this like the KKK telling a group of people who are predisposed to violence to go out and harm certain groups of people and then when they do disavow any connection to the violence? Not all of Fox News is incendiary and not all of its listeners are predisposed to violence, but enough of them are.
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    • Author by HappyHanson (April 08, 2010 4:20 pm ET)
         
      So, is it so hard to understand why they freak out when anyone speaks of the "Fairness Doctrine."

      I say, equal time. If your going to say like Mr. Beck that he has no interest in the political process, while seriously marking people as Marxist, Commies, Stalinist, and the like, fine, only there should be equal time for those you mark.

      Some of those he presumes to call Commie, or Marxist, or the like actually served in the armed forces honorably, something Mr. Beck, Mr. Hannity, or Mr. O'Reilly could not say. 40 years of cold war, and Mr. Beck seems fond of calling people names while having nothing invested in the process, except the money he makes stirring people's fears.
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    • Author by jgibson349687 (April 08, 2010 9:44 pm ET)
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      Maybe they're getting their threats against Pelosi from Fixed Noise, Chalky Goebbels Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Malkin, etc...
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    • Author by mookie von zipper (April 08, 2010 10:43 pm ET)
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      from "the-catcher-in-the-rye"-made-him-do-it dept:

      wow, burnsy, you're really gripping on this one, dude... propping up your ridiculous assertion by the litany of fox news talking heads commanding their zombie audience to go forth and kill any and all democrats is pathetic... all this preceded by second hand speculation by the perpetrator's mother... how your heart must have sank when no o'reilly factor gear, hannity freedom concert t-shirts or dvr loaded with beck's rantings were nowhere to be seen in the supsect's domicile... i can only imagine the horror you felt when a google search failed to call up his fox news inspired manifesto of hate somewhere online...

      but, what the heck, his mom says he may have watched fox news, so let's roll with that, we got those evil bastards now!... and who knows, maybe if you're lucky someone will come forward with a claim that he listened to rush limbaugh, that'll seal the deal!...

      scare tactics and real consequences, indeed... they're certainly not in short supply from the media matters principles...

      reporting from murderland ranch,
      i'm mookie von zipper
      massmurdermedia

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    • Author by News Corpse (April 09, 2010 1:32 pm ET)
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      This isn't the first time that hostile behavior has been linked to Fox News. Immediately following Obama's election...

      The white co-owner of a Palm Beach restaurant told her black employees they'd be fired if they voted for Barack Obama, and on the night of Obama's victory, she wrote 'KKK' on their timecards and in notes she posted in the back of the restaurant.
      The restaurant owned gave as her excuse...

      I think I got crazy with FOX News, watching too much FOX News.
      Ya think?
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      • Author by mookie von zipper (April 09, 2010 4:45 pm ET)
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        don't think so...

        the south beach daily news, other than the white co-owner's desperate blaming of fox news, makes no mention whatsoever of fox news having any specific influence on her questionable management style...

        what they did mention, however, something you conveniently omitted here and at your news corpse site, is that when the employees complained to the black co-owner, that's right folks, he just shrugged his shoulders, saying that's just the way she is and "i've known her for 30-something years. her italian upbringing causes her to flip"... so in your zeal to nail fox news for fomenting racism based on the idiotic actions of one of the lowest common denominators in their audience, you either overlooked or flat-out ignored the bigoted statement of the second co-owner and his complicity in employee harassment... at least he doesn't blame a media outlet for his behavior... maybe he gets a pass because he's black...

        ya think?...



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        • Author by redrage (April 10, 2010 3:55 pm ET)
             
          So, do you feel like the second owner balances the scales and invalidates the concerns regarding the bevaior of the first?

          What's your point?

          One person blaming another's behavior on their ethinicity is annoying. Another's intimidating their employees is loathesome and illegal.

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