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"The Point's" Social Security falsehoods continue: Hyman offered misinformation about married couples' benefits

August 31, 2005 6:43 pm ET
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On the August 30 broadcast of "The Point," Sinclair Broadcast Group commentator Mark Hyman continued his "Social Security Realities" series with more Social Security misinformation. Hyman falsely claimed that if both members of a married couple work, both "cannot collect full benefits" and that spouses who worked for less than 10 years because they "gave up [their] career in order to raise a family ... get diddly-squat." In fact, neither claim is true: Married Social Security recipients are eligible for all the benefits that they have earned for themselves. In addition, if those benefits are less than half of what their spouse receives, they also receive spousal benefits that increase their overall benefits to an amount equal to half their partner's benefit. And regardless of whether a spouse worked less than 10 years, he or she is entitled to spousal and survivor benefits (ex-spouses from a marriage that lasted at least 10 years are also eligible for these benefits).

Hyman also made misleading claims about Social Security on the August 29 broadcast of "The Point."

Hyman's "Day 3 of little known facts about Social Security" focused on married couples. He claimed that both spouses cannot collect the full benefits to which they are entitled. This is false. In fact, the Social Security Administration (SSA) notes that "When each member of a married couple works in employment covered under Social Security ... their lifetime earnings are calculated independently to determine their Social Security benefit amounts. Therefore each spouse receives a monthly benefit amount based on his or her own earnings. Couples are not penalized simply because they are married."

Hyman then misleadingly stated, "Most often women -- typically, the lower income earner -- do not collect their full benefits. They share their husband's benefits." This is also incorrect. As the SSA makes clear in the "Retirement Planner" section of its website, lower-income earners still collect their full benefits, but, if those benefits would amount to less than half of their spouse's benefits, they are also entitled to a spousal benefit to bring their total to an amount equal to half their partner's (not a "share" of "their husband's benefits" as Hyman stated):

Even if he or she has never worked under Social Security, your spouse at full retirement age can receive a benefit equal to one-half of your full retirement amount and can qualify on your record for Medicare at age 65.

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If your spouse has also worked under Social Security -- If your spouse is eligible for retirement benefits on his or her own record, we will always pay that amount first. But if the spouse benefit on your record is a higher amount, he or she will get a combination of benefits that equals that higher amount. It doesn't matter if your spouse starts getting benefits before, after, or at the same time you do - we will check both records to make sure that your spouse gets the higher amount. [Italics added]

Hyman's further claim that a stay-at-home parent would receive "diddly-squat" unless he or she had personally worked for 10 years confused eligibility for spousal benefits with the normal eligibility requirements. While a person is required to work at least 10 years to receive his or her own benefits, spousal benefits depend entirely on the spouse's eligibility. A spouse receives those benefits "[e]ven if he or she has never worked under Social Security."

In addition, spouses and surviving children are eligible for substantial survivor benefits. Divorced couples whose marriage lasted for at least 10 years still qualify for both spousal and survivor benefits.

Although Hyman correctly pointed out that a "high-income single-earner couple" would receive higher combined benefits than a two-earner couple who earned the same total amount, it is worth noting that this claim relies on factoring in the same spousal benefits that he subsequently ignored to claim a spouse who worked less than 10 years because he or she "gave up [their] career in order to raise a family" would get "diddly-squat."

From the August 30 broadcast of "The Point":

HYMAN: Fact #5: Social Security discriminates against two-career couples. In spite of paying into the system for a lifetime, both spouses cannot collect full benefits. Most often women -- typically, the lower-income earner -- do not collect their full benefits. They share their husband's benefits. As far as Social Security is concerned, the working spouse would have been better off not working and instead just collected spousal benefits.

A high-income single-earner couple could receive higher benefits than a two-income earning couple even if their combined income was the exact same as the high-income single earner couple. This isn't fair.

Fact #6: If you worked for less than 10 years, you get nothing. So if you are a woman, who gave up a career in order to raise a family, you get diddly-squat.

"The Point" is a two-minute "news and commentary" segment aired daily by Sinclair Broadcast Group, the largest single owner/operator of TV stations in the United States. Media Matters for America leads SinclairAction.com, a coalition of groups and individuals protesting Sinclair's continued misuse of public airwaves to broadcast one-sided, politically charged programming without a counterpoint.

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    • Author by 1428a (August 31, 2005 7:06 pm ET)
         

      This must be a big issue. It seems like the last time we heard anything like this involved John Kerry in the presidential election.

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    • Author by worldasmaya (August 31, 2005 7:31 pm ET)
         

      This is CLASSIC Bush Administration Modis Operandi...to push an agenda during a time of great crisis. Katrina will provide the Administration a perfect opportunity to turn people's fears into political 'capital'.

      Although, I think the AMerican people have wised up and see through the 1/2 truths.--such as the social security argument. Hyman was absurdly trying to defend Sinclair broadcastings attack of John Kerry and now he is trying to peddle what can only be called factual distortions. lies.

      Tonight on CBS and ABC people are asking...why the national guard is stretched so thin? Why they are not receiving help? one word answer: Iraq.

      Just think--with the cost of Iraq we could pay for the recovery/reclamation/rebuilding more than 10 times over.!

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    • Author by 1428a (August 31, 2005 8:03 pm ET)
         

      worldasmaya,

      True the National Guard forces are getting stretched thin, so it's going to difficult to get enough for controlling looting and the like.

      Iraq's getting stretched thin. The imput of new recruits continues to fall short of the output (those needed). The deficit continues to rise. It makes one wonder if the current round of military base closings isn't to free up money for Iraq.

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      • Author by worldasmaya (August 31, 2005 10:47 pm ET)
           

        1428a-

        Hello. I did not think about the base closings beyond the fact that more bases were closed in blue states (that's probably coincidence--I'm not a big conspiracy theorist). I do think that the administration is looking for ways to 'cut' the budget of the DOD in various areas (not Special Forces as Rumsfeld sees that as the wave of tomorrow...FORCE Multipliers!..the only thing he's been right on). But, they'll continue to cut in quiet areas of the V.A. so that the budget does not look as daunting when Bush leaves office. Can you or anyone imagine what the price tag of Iraq will be when Bush departs? or the depth of the budget? and ...when a democrat is elected president the RNC will be screaming about the 'state of the economy', they'll be screaming "the deficit is HUGE what are those tax and spend dems. going to do?", and on and on. ANd while they are engaged in that narcissistic 'hand play' the rest of us will be feeling the hurt.

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        • Author by Sagra (September 01, 2005 9:37 am ET)
             

          It's part of the catastrophic success strategy. At that point we won't be able to afford social programs and the US can be turned into a third world country.

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    • Author by Rocky (August 31, 2005 10:38 pm ET)
         

      Offtopic, but referencing Katrina: Boy, if this administration was looking for a way out of the war and saving face, certainly pulling troops out of Iraq to take care of the homefront would be a good one. Of course, we'd lose the oil fields for sure then and the sacrifices of our dead and wounded soldiers would have been for naught! How silly of me to think of such a thing!

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    • Author by Sagra (September 01, 2005 9:35 am ET)
         

      If you stay home with each of your three kids until they reach school age, then (worst case) you're home for 18 years.

      18 years for your childhood + 18 years raising your children = 36 years. Retirement age is 65.

      What are these people doing for the other 29 years of their life? And why is the get-off-your-ass-and-work Right whining about their retirement benefits?

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      • Author by unbound (September 01, 2005 9:59 am ET)
           

        And why is the get-off-your-ass-and-work Right whining about their retirement benefits?

        by Sagra - Thursday September 1, 2005 09:35:16 AM EST

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        Sagra,

        Note that they are attacking the whole system. I don't think they are concerned about their benefits, I think there are 2 things at work:

        1) The naive conservatives that really think putting that money in the market will result in better benefits. This type of group thinks anything the government touches is inefficient and people will do better. Major problems with this concept is that SS is insurance, not just retirement; and that almost all serious studies show the government is more efficient than the private sectors (in regards of cost to administer SS).

        2) The greedy conservatives who see a whole lot of money that commissions can be made. Remember, those financial institutions on wall street are not not-for-profit businesses. They make money somehow.

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        • Author by Sagra (September 01, 2005 10:19 am ET)
             

          In this case you can cut the blatant hypocrisy with a knife.

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        • Author by nerzog (September 01, 2005 10:40 am ET)
             

          One aspect of Social Security often lost in this debate is survivor benefits. If I die today, my daughter will receive about $1000 a month from SS until she's 18. It's not much, but it could make a difference in her quality of life. While this benefit might not mean much to middle-aged people who have several hundred thousand in their 401Ks, it could mean a lot to a young couple with young children. It could keep them from "choosing" to be poor.

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        • Author by thedailyphosdex (September 01, 2005 2:16 pm ET)
             

          Points well taken by "unbound" in his/her comments.

          And which just goes to show that Sinclair Broadcasting Group is using this current series of "The Point" for "winning of hearts and minds" purposes to what is obviously a hopeless cause--otherwise known as denationalisation of State Social Security.

          Especially so among the poor, undereducated and easily-influenced who, themselves, would be all the more adversely affected by denationalisation--especially considering the clear and present danger of their clear lack of knowledge of the equities markets being unduly exploited for corrupt, even dangerous, ends.

          And could there be the likelihood of the Social Security Administration perhaps suing Sinclair Broadcasting Group in due course for Defamation, Disparagement or other Crimes Against Good Character and Repute (especially if the aim all the more is one of causing needless or undue umbarge against State Social Security to the point of "wholehearted popular support" for denationalisation ensuing)?

          (Unrelated here, but then again--aren't the same ones pushing for denationalisation of State Social Security essentially the same ones seeing mutual self-help as "the new wave" in social-welfare policy? What exactly prevents their advocacy of friendly-society initiatives as would put two and two together, so to speak?)

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    • Author by LT (September 01, 2005 10:58 am ET)
         

      The repugs. are again desperately spreading more lies and distortions to America about SS, but America can't trust or believe anything this terribly corrupt administration says or does anymore. This right wing administration has been caught in just too many, many lies to ever trust again.

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    • Author by ash (September 01, 2005 4:15 pm ET)
         

      I just love it when the cons pour so much time and energy into a losing battle.

      Did I say "losing"? I mean already lost.

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      • Author by worldasmaya (September 01, 2005 5:26 pm ET)
           

        Ash, I agree the S.S. overthrow" attempt has been lost. But, I hope we do not let down our guard. The right is incredibly gifted at pushing an issue, backing away, and then using extraneouis(sp) events to revist an agenda.

        I have no doubt that, as 9/11 was used to press for war in Iraq, hurricane Katrina will be used to press another issue.

        I do not feel a sense of pride in stating that...but, I sooo believe it. Someone just walked past me exclaiming "Bush is possibly the worst president we've ever had." I had to smile:).

        If we remain vigilant the AMerican people will begin to see with greater clarity the corruption and the 'lost' nature of our country. We need a course correction in this country and we need it very-very soon.

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        • Author by tommy (September 01, 2005 5:29 pm ET)
             

          Oh, now is it not only Bush's fault for Hurricane Katrina - but he will no doubt use it for political advantage or to possibly invade another country, illegally of course.

          worldasmaya, I used to think you were a reasonable poster but I am beginning to question my initial impression

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          • Author by worldasmaya (September 01, 2005 7:02 pm ET)
               

            Tommy, thanks. I too think I try to be reasonable-some times left some times right some times center.

            I was simply saying that resources are not finite. That the recovery efforts in N.O. are impacted by the resources placed-physical, human, and monetary-in Iraq. If you'd like to debate that or suggest that's 'unreasonable' then we differ on what reason is. Thanks, WorldasMaya.

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          • Author by worldasmaya (September 01, 2005 7:44 pm ET)
               

            Tommy, Oh yeah. Did you read my posting about your views on Abu Ghraib? I am partial to that posting---care to formulate a reply?

            I did put some time into that one. Take Care, worldasMaya

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