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Just days after Bush aide lied about Blanco in Wash. Post article, the Post noted Democrats' "harsh rhetoric," which "could create a backlash"

September 08, 2005 5:52 pm ET

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In a September 8 article, The Washington Post reported Republican complaints that "Democrats are seeking political gain at a moment of national crisis," noted "strident" criticism of President Bush by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), and paraphrased warnings by unnamed "strategists" of a "backlash" against the "harsh rhetoric" -- all while ignoring strident and false attacks against Democrats made by the White House and its allies.

The Post article seems to accept as its premise Republican spin about Democratic criticism. But what is most notable about the article is that it exists at all: that a newspaper that knows (but hasn't yet told its readers) Bush administration officials have been making false claims about Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco would choose to focus on alleged "strident" criticism by Democrats.

If the Post wants to characterize criticism as "strident" or "harsh," it might better begin with the false claim, made by a "senior Bush aide" -- and reported in the September 4 edition of the Post as though it were true -- that Blanco still hadn't gotten around to declaring a state of emergency as of September 3. In fact, Blanco did so on August 26, a fact the Post acknowledged in a correction on September 5. But neither the Post's correction, nor any subsequent article, even hinted at a basic, and extremely newsworthy, fact: The Bush administration is spreading false information about Blanco in order to shift blame to state and local efforts.

And yet, there has been no Washington Post article about this White House smear campaign, let alone any passing acknowledgment of it. It is surprising, then, that the Post would devote more than 1,000 words to repeating Republican spin that Democrats have been overly harsh -- particularly when there is no hint in those thousand words that any of the Democratic criticism has been false.

What the article did contain is a series of cheap shots and misleading claims under the guise of news. The article began:

The raging debate over what happened after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans and the Gulf Coast has provided Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) an opportunity to emerge as a national spokeswoman for the Democratic Party, stirring Republican criticism that she and other Democrats are seeking political gain at a moment of national crisis.

The Post's implication that Clinton is taking advantage of Katrina in order to raise her standing as a "national spokeswoman for the Democratic Party" is pure spin, "supported" by nothing more than statements by two Republican National Committee spokesmen. Clinton is already a "national spokeswoman for the Democratic Party," as anyone who has been alive for the last dozen years certainly knows. She is a former First Lady; is a senator from the nation's third-most populous state; has had prominent speaking roles at the last four Democratic National Conventions; and heads the Senate Democratic Steering Committee. Polls have found her to be the most admired woman in America. She hardly needs an "opportunity to emerge as a national spokeswoman."

The Post continued:

Clinton has long maintained that she is focused solely on serving the interests of her New York constituents. But she was on all three network morning shows yesterday to promote her call for returning the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to independent status, and for creating an independent commission to investigate what went wrong when the storm hit and the levees gave way in New Orleans.

But the Post gave no reason, not even a hint, why readers should think that Clinton's professed focus on her New York constituents is contradicted in any way by her call to return FEMA to independent status. FEMA's status and effectiveness certainly affect the "interests of her New York constituents"; New York does need emergency assistance from time to time. The Post's suggestion that FEMA has nothing to do with the people of New York, or any other state for that matter, particularly in the wake of a horrific natural disaster, is simply bizarre.

Twelve paragraphs into an article that focuses heavily on Clinton's "role," filled with suggestions that her motivation is political, the Post finally got around to acknowledging the possibility that FEMA might just have something to do with her "New York constituents":

One Clinton adviser said the New York senator has chosen to speak out so forcefully in large part because of her longstanding opposition to the shift of FEMA into the Department of Homeland Security, and because of her concerns that an ill-prepared FEMA poses problems for her constituents in a state regarded as a prime target of terrorist attacks.

The article's acceptance of the Republican point of view is more subtle in other places, as with the beginning of the next paragraph: "Her high-profile role, which Republicans say is tinged with 2008 presidential politics ..." Yet it could just as easily be said that Republican dismissal of Clinton's role as "tinged" with politics is itself a political act. Why is Clinton's role characterized as politics, when Republican criticism of her is not?

Eventually, the Post (briefly) moved past its obsession with Clinton's supposed political gamesmanship and on to "strident" criticism by other Democrats:

Other Democrats, lead by Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) have been far more strident than the Clintons -- so much so that both Republican and Democratic strategists said yesterday the opposition party is in danger of overplaying its hand. The harsh rhetoric, the strategists said, could create a backlash among the public and engender sympathy for a president who has been on the defensive much of the past week.

Pelosi yesterday described Bush as "oblivious, in denial, dangerous" to problems in and around New Orleans, and to what she said were his administration's failures in their response. Reid urged a Senate investigating committee to probe whether Bush's out-of-town vacation contributed to what has been judged as a slow response by the federal government.

Curiously, the Post didn't include a key portion of Pelosi's comments, in which she made clear why she thinks Bush is "oblivious": according to Pelosi, when she referenced things that have gone wrong in the government's response to Katrina, Bush replied, "What didn't go right?"

Even more curious, the Post described Reid's urging of an investigation into whether Bush's month-long vacation contributed to the slow response as the kind of "strident" criticism that indicates that Democrats may be overplaying their hand.

This characterization of Reid's comments is particularly odd given that a Post report just three days earlier indicated that at least one Republican said the White House's slow response to Katrina was, indeed, the result of vacationing White House personnel:

One reason for the slow White House response, said a Republican who has been in contact with several officials, is that so many high-level officials and aides were on vacation. Vice President Cheney, for instance, was in Wyoming and did not return until Thursday, and Nicolle Devenish, the president's top communications adviser, is getting married in Greece with a number of mid-level aides in attendance.

To recap: On September 5, the Post reported that a "Republican who has been in contact with several officials" said the White House was slow to respond to Katrina because many high-level officials, including Cheney, were on vacation. Then, on September 8, the Post characterized Reid's call for an investigation into the very same possibility as a "strident" attack that could lead to a backlash. Is a more blatant double-standard possible?

Having passed judgment on Pelosi and Reid, the Post quickly returned to Clinton:

Hillary Clinton has no formal role as a designated spokeswoman on the disaster, but by virtue of her celebrity status and her presumed presidential ambitions, she attracts attention when she chooses to speak out.

It's true that Clinton -- like Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN), House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL), Pelosi, Reid, and the vast majority of people in and out of government -- has no "formal role as a designated spokeswoman on the disaster," whatever that means. But the implication that it is therefore unusual -- and political in nature -- for her to talk about it, is false. Clinton does, after all, hold a leadership position in the Senate as chairwoman of the Senate Democratic Steering Committee, giving her every bit as legitimate a "role" as a spokesperson on Katrina as Frist, or Hastert, or nearly anyone else.

Members of Congress vote on and talk about a wide range of issues every day -- that is, after all, their job. Rarely do they have a "formal role as a designated spokeswoman" on an issue -- but the media don't point that out, presumably because it doesn't really mean anything. Rep. Heather Wilson (R-NM) was quoted talking about Katrina in the September 8 edition of the Post -- with no disclaimer that she lacks a "formal role." For that matter, why did the Post take pains to suggest Clinton lacks credentials to speak about Katrina, but not treat Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman the same way? If the phrase "has no formal role as a designated [spokesperson] on the disaster" applies to anyone in the Post article, surely it is Mehlman, a man who holds no elective office and has no formal policymaking role of any kind; he's simply a partisan operative. Yet the Post didn't note his lack of standing to discuss the disaster in either of the two articles in which he was quoted on September 8.

The Post article concludes with a lengthy quote from RNC spokesman Brian Jones:

Having raised her visibility, she is now a clear target. "It's interesting that at a time when she could have differentiated herself from the ranks of [Democratic National Committee Chairman] Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi and the far left ranks of the Democratic Party, she chose to join those on the front ranks of the blame game," said RNC spokesman Brian Jones. "It would have been interesting if she had shown some level of restraint."

Incredibly, the Post let an RNC spokesman criticize Democrats as engaging in "the blame game" -- while making no mention of the fact that a "senior Bush aide" falsely smeared Blanco in an effort to shift blame. The Post's editors must know that Bush officials are playing "the blame game," and doing it by spreading false information about Democrats -- yet the Post remains silent about it and quotes a Republican spokesman accusing Democrats of engaging in "the blame game."

But that's not all: Two paragraphs earlier, the Post referenced acrimony between Blanco and the White House. But the only example the newspaper gave was Blanco's hiring of James Lee Witt, who was FEMA director during the Clinton administration, as an adviser, a move the Post portrayed as "direct criticism" of the administration. The administration's smear campaign against Blanco -- conducted in the pages of The Washington Post and its subsidiary, Newsweek -- went unmentioned:

The image of one administration pitted against another has been reinforced by the weekend decision of Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D) to hire Witt as an adviser in the relief efforts. Blanco squabbled with the White House in the first few days after Katrina struck, and Witt's arrival was widely see as a direct criticism of the administration.

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    • Author by fiddler (September 08, 2005 7:33 pm ET)
         

      The cards may be starting to fall. ALL the polls today point to a decline in important Bush categories. Most notable, for the first time domestic policy has superceeded the war on terror as most important to those polled. Recent Zogby polls about attitudes towards labor unions are noting dramatic shifts in attitudes towards health care, pensions and joining unions if the opportunity arose.

      This (domestic policy) is the Democrats hand and if they don't play it they will lose. The vast advertiser supported and conglamorately owned media is being exposed and tested as never before by this tragedy. Raw American nerves are being exposed. Pelosi was awesome today on CNN. She ripped Kyra Phillips. People are starting to pay attention and if the polls are any indication they may be wanting clarity and candor over spin and parroting.

      Is this awakening to community too much to hope for? This is going to get bloody. The right will counterattack with everything they have. But I hope, as they have in the past, Americans will see this extremism for what it is and the pendulum will swing back as it always has historically.

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      • Author by lifelike pundits dot com (September 08, 2005 7:35 pm ET)
           

        What zogby poll? Provide a link, please.

        Also, demonstrate that since domestic policy is more important than foreign, that it was not because of the disaster cause by Katrina?

        I am a conservative and would probably say domestic policy is more important at the moment.

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    • Author by frijolesnegra (September 08, 2005 7:33 pm ET)
         

      -By Dan Balz Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, September 8, 2005; A12

      [link to www.washingtonpost.com]

      Who does he send his invoice to at the White House?

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    • Author by lifelike pundits dot com (September 08, 2005 7:34 pm ET)
         

      Um, is it because this entry made absolutely NO SENSE that I am the first one posting?

      Our blog brings out numerous moonbats...but after the Red Cross statement that it was the state of Louisiana that said: no food and water for those at the Superdome because we don't want to attract more survivors (i.e. starve people out of NO) that is shutting everyone up?

      Is it that if people received the water and food that your argument agains't Bush falls totally apart?

      If not, tell me?

      Oh, and Bill Richardson (Dem) said that this is NOT the fault of Bush--it is red tape created solely by congress. And who wanted DHS? Lieberman! And Hillary voted for FEMA to be apart of DHS.

      WOW! You guys always shoot your wad in one minute then when the facts show up, you're silent.

      And I don't want to hear from anyone unless they've done something for the victims of Katrina.

      Have I? 200 dollars to salvation army. offered a room on craigslist. today, ordered from amazon a tent and two sleeping bags and sent it to a church on Mississippi.

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      • Author by military_husband (September 08, 2005 8:23 pm ET)
           

        How do any of your points deflect all blame from Bush? It took him DAYS to respond in person, and the first response was to do a fly-over on the way to the office. How does FEMA being in or out of HSA change the fact that the levees were underfunded by this administration? How can one governor and one mayor be to blame for a disaster that hit 3 different states as many Bush backers want us to believe? And since the republicans have control over congress and the senate as well, any problems with where FEMA is is still thier doing. Republicans want to claim anyone who brings up valid questions regarding how this administration handled this as "the blame game". When are we allowed to ask these questions? After he is out of office and can't be held accountable? Should we wait until the next hurricane hits and wipes out another 10 thousand people before we can ask for answers? There were huge mistakes made, HUGE, and you can not argue against that. The sooner we find out what went wrong and correct the errors, the safer we wil be the next time, and there will be a next time. As for your stupid little "don't answer unless you gave" comment, do you want receipts?

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        • Author by diabolical (September 09, 2005 1:57 pm ET)
             

          In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work: The chain of responsibility for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is: 1. The Mayor 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor) 3. The Governor 4. The Head of Homeland Security (federal level) 5. The President What did each do? 1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal. 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much for political appointees) 3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit.

          Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

          The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt (democratic) government going all the way back to Huey Long.

          Funds for disaster protection and relief have been flowing into this city for decades, and where has it gone, but into the pockets of the politicos and their friends.

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          • Author by monkey (September 09, 2005 2:18 pm ET)
               

            You have so much stuff wrong it is unbelieveable that you consider yourself well-enough informed to "educate" us about the facts.

            >>>The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President).

            The mayor did not have 5 days advance notice. There is an agreement that when the danger is clearly identified, that the parishes south of New Orleans get a chance to evacuate first so that New Orleans evacuees do not block the roads for those people that are further south and in low-lying parishes and at a greater risk from most hurricanes. The President did not convince them to call for a mandatory evacuation. They had decided to call for a mandatory evacuation, and the President called right before the press conference to announce that evacuation. There is no evidence that the President had to ask for them to choose to do so. That is simply your spin on the events to make the President look good and the Mayor and the Governor look bad.

            >>>Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal.

            There are many reasons why buses were not used, and those reasons have been discussed here. They were not insured to be used, the bus drivers were not licensed to carry adult evacuees, and the bus drivers had their own families to evacuate. Add to that the fact that during an attempt to evacuate people like this during Hurricane Georges, many people were left on the roads leading out of New Orleans. The roads are not sufficient to evacuate everyone in a timely fashion, and it is safer to be in the SuperDome than on a highway over a swamp or over Lake Ponchatrain.

            >>>The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much for political appointees)

            FEMA was supposed to take over, because no city can manage a disaster of this magnitude. So, he correctly blamed the FEDS. Sorry that hurts "your guy".

            >>>The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit.

            That's not true either. There were National Guard troops in New Orleans the next day handing out food and water, and there were US Coast Guard helicopters pulling people off roofs. It is the Federal Government and FEMA's fault that more resources were not readily available sooner. There is no evidence that the Governor failed to take advantage of any FEMA help offered. No evidence of that.

            >>>Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

            The levees were not the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain.

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          • Author by MM_JF (September 09, 2005 2:52 pm ET)
               

            "diabolical," are you the author of this widely-circulated (and widely-debunked) email, or are you simply plagiarizing it? If the latter, please don't use our message boards to do so.

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          • Author by piniella (September 09, 2005 5:24 pm ET)
               

            1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President).

            That was not done at the behest of Bubble Boy.

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          • Author by piniella (September 09, 2005 5:28 pm ET)
               

            In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work:

            From Gov. Blanco's Aug. 28th letter: ""I have determined that this incident will be of such severity and magnitude that effective responses will be beyond the capabilities of the State and the affected local governments.." [link to gov.louisiana.gov]

            From DHS NRP, page 43: "The NRP establishes policies, procedures, and mechanisms for proactive Federal response to catastrophic events. A catastrophic event is any natural or manmade incident, including terrorism, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the population, infrastructure, environment, economy, national morale, and/or government functions. A catastrophic event could result in sustained national impacts over a prolonged period of time; almost immediately exceeds resources normally available to State, local, tribal, and private-sector authorities in the impacted area; and significantly interrupts governmental operations and emergency services to such an extent that national security could be threatened. All catastrophic events are Incidents of National Significance. [link to www.dhs.gov]

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          • Author by losingfaith (September 09, 2005 7:14 pm ET)
               

            Wow, you're quite well read on all the rethug talking points, ain't ya'? Do you come here much? Do you realise all of your "arguments" have been debuked here already?

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          • Author by lifelike pundits dot com (September 09, 2005 10:28 pm ET)
               

            Hello friend!

            These folks cannot even follow a calendar. When was New Orleans destroyed?

            TUESDAY AFTERNOON ON AUGUST 30 when the levees broke (who is in charge of the levees--LOUISIANA!). That was on a Tuesday. Bush was in Washington with a full cabinet meeting on Wednesday. Federal help evacuated 20,000 people from New Orleans (not to mention all the other "rednecks" in Alabama and Mississippi) by Friday. By Sunday, more than 100,000 people were evacuated.

            Bush waited more than a week! What nonsense! He sent a memorandum to Governor Blanco on FRIDAY AUGUST 26 asking her to let the federal government take control--she said no.

            Now he is blamed for having to come in 48 hours after Mayor Nagil and Gov. Blanco were on TV weeping for help.

            Thank God that none of these people in power. Can you imagine their response to 9/11 or subsequent terrorist attack? Would they go in front of the world and sream and cry and beg for help because they were too incompetent?

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            • Author by lostlogic (September 09, 2005 10:37 pm ET)
                 

              These folks cannot even follow a calendar. When was New Orleans destroyed? TUESDAY AFTERNOON ON AUGUST 30 when the levees broke (who is in charge of the levees--LOUISIANA!). That was on a Tuesday. Bush was in Washington with a full cabinet meeting on Wednesday. Federal help evacuated 20,000 people from New Orleans (not to mention all the other "rednecks" in Alabama and Mississippi) by Friday. By Sunday, more than 100,000 people were evacuated. Bush waited more than a week! What nonsense! He sent a memorandum to Governor Blanco on FRIDAY AUGUST 26 asking her to let the federal government take control--she said no. Now he is blamed for having to come in 48 hours after Mayor Nagil and Gov. Blanco were on TV weeping for help. Thank God that none of these people in power. Can you imagine their response to 9/11 or subsequent terrorist attack? Would they go in front of the world and sream and cry and beg for help because they were too incompetent? by lifelike pundits dot com

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              Ummm…just curious where did you get these facts from?

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            • Author by mefirst (September 09, 2005 10:53 pm ET)
                 

              "can you imagine their response to 9-11 or subsequent terrorist attack?" condi rice to the 9-11 commission on why the bush administration did not respond to the cole: "i do not believe to this day that it would have been a good thing to respond to the cole". she said it would only "embolden" the terrorists.

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            • Author by monkey (September 09, 2005 11:50 pm ET)
                 

              Actually, the levees broke around 11 AM til noon on Monday. The storm made landfall in the early morning hours of Monday, and before midday on Monday, the city was flooding. The FEMA guy didn't seem to find out about it until Tuesday, but it happened on Monday.

              And Bush approved the disaster declaration on Saturday. They knew that some portion of the Deep South was going to get hit hard by Hurricane Katrina, perhaps as a Category 5. There was no doubt that it was going to be a big deal, and hard to believe as it is, things could have been much worse if New Orleans had been directly hit by higher winds. Flooding could have been worse, and more structural damage could have happened causing much more loss of life. Just think if the roof of the SuperDome had continued to deteriorate.

              So, Bush knew on Saturday, and did not return to Washington until Wednesday. That's 5 days.

              Louisiana is not in charge of the Levees. The Army Corps of Engineers is in charge, and they are a Federal Agency.

              Governor Blanco asked for a declaration of a state of emergency and had the state declared a disaster area, but she was unwilling to cede authority for the National Guard to the Federal Government. Considering how mismanaged the rest of the Federal Government response was, I think that you would be hard pressed to prove that the Governor did a worse job managing the Guard than what the Fed's would have done.

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            • Author by frijolesnegra (September 10, 2005 1:02 am ET)
                 

              You may want to get your info from reputable sources!

              [link to www.nola.com]

              [link to www.wpta.com]

              [link to www.nola.com]

              [link to www.globalsecurity.org]

              [link to www.rgj.com]

              [link to www.kathryncramer.com]

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      • Author by monkey (September 09, 2005 12:14 am ET)
           

        "The Red Cross statement that it was the state of Louisiana that said: no food and water for those at the Superdome because we don't want to attract more survivors (i.e. starve people out of NO) that is shutting everyone up?"

        The State of Louisiana Department of Homeland Security did tell the Red Cross that they were not to set up a shelter in the city of New Orleans. I have mentioned this a couple of times, as have others, in the past couple of days, so I have no idea why you would think that this fact would shut anyone up. This site seems much busier during the day than in the evenings, and so since this posting was not made until 6 PM Eastern time, most activity stopped.

        I disagree that the American Red Cross being told that they will not be allowed to set up a shelter in New Orleans is equivalent to starving people out of New Orleans. The National Guard delivered food and water there right away, and kept up those deliveries. It wasn't enough, nor was it well organized, but there was no intent to starve people. Those people that went to the SuperDome were supposed to bring 5 days worth of food and water for themselves. The Convention Center didn't get much attention, but the SuperDome was getting food and water.

        It was not that the ARC was kept out so they didn't "attract more survivors". It was that they did not want to encourage people to think that they could stay in New Orleans. FEMA should have done whatever was necessary to feed those people stuck in New Orleans until they were taken out to shelters run by the ARC and other relief organizations. FEMA didn't do a great job.

        It is not partisan to notice that FEMA did a crappy job of providing food and water for those people that were stuck in New Orleans and could not get themselves out of the city. But it is partisan and politicizing this event to claim that a plan to discourage people from staying in New Orleans was a stupid idea. Knowing what we know now, with the mandatory evacuation of even those in secure locations in New Orleans, it was a good idea to not set up any ARC shelter in the city. Your attack of that good plan is evidence of your partisanship. Your suggestion that we want to cover up that good plan is politicizing the event for no good reason.

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    • Author by rocketman (September 08, 2005 7:53 pm ET)
         

      - Polls have found her to be the most admired woman in America. - mmfa speaking about hillary clinton. ==============================================================

      Speaking of omitting facts. mmfa makes this statement but fails to mention that Pres.Bush received almost twice as many votes as hillary in the poll. They also fail to mention that Pres.Bush received about ten times as many votes as former Pres.Clinton.

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      • Author by lostlogic (September 08, 2005 8:08 pm ET)
           

        - Polls have found her to be the most admired woman in America. - mmfa speaking about hillary clinton. ============================================================== Speaking of omitting facts. mmfa makes this statement but fails to mention that Pres.Bush received almost twice as many votes as hillary in the poll. -by rocketman

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        Get out of town. Twice as many people think George Bush is the most admired WOMAN in American? Huh, you think you know someone and then wham…you didn’t know ‘em at all. (-;

        Sorry rocketman, I couldn’t resist.

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    • Author by fiddler (September 08, 2005 7:54 pm ET)
         

      Lifelike:

      Recent Zogby Bush Poll [link to www.zogby.com]

      Pew Katrina Response Poll [link to people-press.org]

      I will continue looking for the union poll. I saw it a few weeks ago. It is not the Zogby "Disorganized Labor" article which selevtively draws from a recent poll. The blog that referenced the poll has been moved to a different section and I don't have time to search now. But what I said is not an exageration.

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    • Author by monkey (September 08, 2005 11:58 pm ET)
         

      It could be that the Democrats are politicizing this event.

      But they are not making false claims against the Bush Administration.

      They are demanding a bipartisan committee, like the 9/11 Commission, to investigate the problems with the delayed response to this event.

      It is clear that this event was mismanaged, and everyone should be upset by that, and they are.

      It also could be that the Republicans are politicizing this event.

      They are making false claims against the local and State Democratic leaders, and doing that in response to the valid claims of mismanagement of the Federal officials, who were appointed in a partisan, politicized manner by Bush in a clear example of cronyism.

      The Republicans tried to set up a partisan commission to investigate themselves. Both the Republicans in Congress did this as well as Bush suggesting that he would do that.

      Even though it's clear that this event was mismanaged, they have reluctant to admit to their errors and in most cases have not admitted errors at all, and have in fact praised the efforts. Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, former RNC Chairman, Bush, Cheney, Chertoff and Brown have all participated in this denial of reality and overly optimistic description of the event.

      It is clear to me and anyone else with a lick of common sense that the Republicans are definitely politicizing this event. It is possible that the Democrats are politicizing this event, but they have not been making false claims. They have been making reasonable accusations based on the evidence.

      Hillary could be complaining because she is only trying to portray herself in a good light for a run for President in 3 years, or she could be accurately pointing out mistakes made. We know she is pointing out mistakes made. We do not know that she is doing this to gain political advantage.

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    • Author by fiddler (September 09, 2005 8:32 am ET)
         

      Lifelike:

      The labor poll was a Hart Reseacrh poll and is linked below. This site also carries Eric Alterman opiion pieces.

      [link to www.americanprogress.org]

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    • Author by fiddler (September 09, 2005 8:39 am ET)
         

      Response to Lifelike on Domestic Policy and Katrina:

      The labor poll was taken well before Katrina. As you can see, concerns over exportation of jobs, health care, pension security, salary stagnation, and of course energy costs are beginning to mount.

      I have noticed, for the past year here in Tennessee, that increasingly more conversations lead to these concerns than the ready acceptance of Administration rhetoric.

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    • Author by Sagra (September 09, 2005 10:01 am ET)
         

      "It is surprising, then, that the Post would devote more than 1,000 words to repeating Republican spin that Democrats have been overly harsh -- particularly when there is no hint in those thousand words that any of the Democratic criticism has been false."

      Because criticism hurts so much more when it's true! Democrats are meanies, pointing out the cold hard facts. When Republicans make sh*t up, it's their way of being kind by not pointing out the actual flaws of Democrats.

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    • Author by brsb78 (September 09, 2005 11:45 am ET)
         

      I am very much a Bush hater. He and this administration have failed the people in the South. However, as a Democrat, I find something a little disturbing. Hillary Clinton has recently spoken out against FEMA being thrown in under the direct supervision of Homeland Security yet I believe I heard yesterday that she was one of many who voted for the move. Can anyone out there verify this as fact? If so, please do. We can't have our leadership in the Democratic party making such harsh statements about something they actually voted for. If it's true, it's no wonder the Right says we're wishy washy.

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      • Author by ufleirx (September 09, 2005 8:24 pm ET)
           

        First, et tu Washington Post.

        Second, move FEMA was suppose to make it more effective. It did not because of political cronies and a horrible public policy. Third, because you vote for a bill does mean you agree with everything in it. If that was the criteria then no bill would ever leave D.C., given the majority leader of this Congress not a bad idea.

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    • Author by Sagra (September 09, 2005 12:27 pm ET)
         

      Hey, guess what's the new talking point?

      [link to www.freerepublic.com]

      Blame the environmentalists.

      OMFG, these people are the worst. Environmentalists have been fighting to save the very wetlands that could absorb a storm surge, and fighting for the oil and gas industry to fix the erosion they caused, but because environmentalists opposed some ill-conceived pork barrel plan... gah.

      When in doubt, the reicht wing still clutches at the same old straws they've been clutching for the past three decades.

      If you want to see what environmentalists would do to protect the city, go here: [link to www.latimes.com]

      One of the most effective shore defenses has been not only ignored but undermined. Barrier islands and the marshes of the Mississippi River Delta used to present hurricanes with a formidable land barrier to cross before reaching New Orleans. But the very levees and canals that protect New Orleans and provide navigation divert replenishing sediment. Louisiana loses about 24 square miles of this land barrier each year.

      A plan backed by environmentalists, industry and the Corps of Engineers would spend $2 billion to dredge sediment from the Gulf to be used in rebuilding the land, and divert some river sediment toward the marshland. Congress should not only approve that project but should start giving serious consideration to the rest of a $14-billion coastal restoration project supported by 11 state and federal agencies.

      Funding environmental projects isn't just a luxury that makes tree-huggers happy. It's a natural way to protect people and a bargain compared with the economic and human toll exacted by Katrina.

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    • Author by piniella (September 09, 2005 5:21 pm ET)
         

      but after the Red Cross statement that it was the state of Louisiana that said: no food and water for those at the Superdome because we don't want to attract more survivors (i.e. starve people out of NO) that is shutting everyone up?

      That report may be in error. I read an article that states FEMA was behind those requests and I followed up by e-mailing the reporter. I won't take up space here but you can find a link to the article and her replies here:

      [link to radamisto.blogspot.com]

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      • Author by monkey (September 10, 2005 12:18 am ET)
           

        I believe it has been confirmed that it was the State of Louisiana Department of Homeland Security that told the American Red Cross to stay out of New Orleans.

        The ARC was ready to go into New Orleans after the hurricane, just as they are ready to go into any disaster area once it's safe, but when it became apparent how badly damaged the city was, how much of the city was flooding, and they realized that they were going to have to evacuate and abandon the city, they did not want the ARC to set up any shelters in the city itself.

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    • Author by ufleirx (September 10, 2005 1:54 pm ET)
         

      Harsh rhetoric, could not be harsh enough. Bush ccontributors and cronies are already chomping at the bit to get their hand outs.

      [link to yahoo.reuters.com]

      With Haliburton doing such a strling job in Iraq and Brownie "doing a great job", how can this be? Oh yeah, this is possibly the most corrupt administration since Reagan or Grant, I forget which.

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    • Author by mefirst (September 10, 2005 8:02 pm ET)
         

      i remember reading that the washington post did not have a very good reputation until katherine graham took it over after her husband's suicide. she was the one that stood behind all the watergate reporting. i think now all those deep throat stories would go right in the trash.

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