Fox's Wallace claimed that no one would argue that Bush's Gulf reconstruction proposals "aren't good ideas"; news reports disagree
On Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace falsely clamed that nobody "would argue" that the three chief Bush administration proposals to rebuild the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina "aren't good ones." But contrary to Wallace's suggestion, offered during an interview with Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-SC), several economic and housing experts, as well as politicians, have voiced concerns about Bush's ideas for rebuilding the Gulf region.
Bush, in his September 15 televised address, outlined several proposals for aiding those affected by Hurricane Katrina, including the proposals mentioned by Wallace. Bush proposed a "Gulf Opportunity Zone," where "businesses would get substantial tax breaks to invest in equipment and build structures. Small businesses would be able to deduct from their taxes the cost of investments up to $200,000" [The Washington Post, 9/16/05]. He also proposed what he called "worker recovery accounts," which would provide up to $5,000 a person for "education, job training and child care" [Los Angeles Times, 9/16/05]. Those who find a job within 13 weeks would get to keep the remaining amount in their account. And third on Wallace's list, Bush called for an "urban homestead act" that would "giv[e] federally owned property to aspiring homeowners through a lottery" [Los Angeles Times, 9/16/05].
The September 16 Los Angeles Times noted that Bush's "ideas are, in effect, disaster-relief versions of proposals Bush made during his first term and in his 2004 re-election campaign -- proposals for urban enterprise zones, home-ownership subsidies for low-income families and job-training accounts." An article in the September 17 edition of The Washington Post reported that "many liberals worried that the accounts would eventually replace unemployment insurance and other long-standing parts of the social safety net. And many conservatives didn't care for the idea of creating a large new government program."
The September 16 Post also cited numerous examples to support its reporting that Bush's "proposals were met with some skepticism -- and some hostility -- from economists and housing experts who listened to the speech."
The "urban homestead act" proposal faced questions about its effectiveness, according to the September 16 Post.
- Brookings Institution metropolitan policy director and former Department of Housing and Urban Development chief of staff Bruce Katz criticized the homesteading plan. The Post wrote of Katz's concerns: "Even if impoverished evacuees can secure the financial assistance to build on donated land, how will they maintain the properties? ... '[W]hen it comes to housing, the support [in the Bush plan] is almost nonexistent,' Katz said. 'He's just handing out land.' "
- The Post reported conservative University of Virginia economist Edgar Olsen's concern "that a lottery for the homesteads would effectively concentrate assistance among a random few who will have the least means to improve the property."
Bush's "Gulf Opportunity Zone" also drew questions. Bush's proposal is similar to the Opportunity Zones he touted during the 2004 campaign. Variations on the zones have been promoted by previous Republican and Democratic administrations. But, as the Associated Press reported on September 16, "private economists said the history of empowerment zones shows they have failed to generate a significant rebound in depressed urban areas. They said that gains for the special tax zones often meant lost investment in other parts of the country." Several experts agreed with that assessment in the September 16 Washington Post article:
- Urban Institute senior fellow Leonard E. Burman said that "[t]here is some evidence [empowerment zones] work," but that "other examinations suggest entrepreneurs would have invested in designated regions anyway and have gamed the system to take advantage of the tax breaks."
- Olsen, the Virginia economist, asked, "Why is it better to have more activity here and less activity elsewhere? ... You'd almost have to have your license taken away as an economist if you didn't believe that's what's going on with these [empowerment zones]."
- Brookings Institution economic studies director Isabel V. Sawhill said that "[e]mpowerment zone incentives also tend to shuffle economic activity from one area to another, creating winners and losers but no net economic gain." The AP also cited Sawhill regarding empowerment zones: "The bottom line is that they have not been very effective. They didn't stimulate a great urban renewal."
News reports also cited criticism of Bush's "worker recovery accounts":
- Brookings Institution visiting fellow Margy Waller, who "studies employment," criticized the proposed "recovery accounts" as "unproven" and "a bad idea in emergency situations." "There is certainly value in people having choice, and that's what the accounts would provide," Waller said. "But choice works best when you have information about what training is available and where to get child care. With a new program like this, we have no infrastructure to provide that information." [The Washington Post, 9/17/05]
- The Associated Press reported on September 16 that "[C]ritics say the accounts provide a perverse incentive by encouraging workers to accept inferior or temporary jobs so they can collect their bonus, rather than undergo the kind of job training that would eventually lead to a better job." The article cited National Employment Law Project policy analyst Andrew Stettner, who said, "What people need right now is time and cash to find a job, and improving the current unemployment benefit system is the way to do that."
In addition, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) criticized Bush's reconstruction proposals as making "the disaster zone 'a laboratory for ... ideological experimentation.'" [Los Angeles Times, 9/16/05]
From the September 18 broadcast of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday:
WALLACE: Here are the specific measures that Mr. Bush proposed: a Gulf Opportunity Zone giving tax breaks to businesses that invest there, individual recovery accounts, up to $5,000, for job training and education, and an urban homesteading act giving poor people federal land to build homes.
Senator, I don't think anybody would argue that those ideas aren't good ones, but are they the bold action that's needed to confront persistent poverty?
GRAHAM: They're part of the bold action. We need sort of a Marshall Plan to deal with this problem. I'm a son of the South, Chris. I was in the sixth grade before I ever attended school with an African-American student. The president's right. I've lived this.
















The claim everyone approves.
Unless people like patronage and corrupt contractors (at least sleazy), as well as indifference in terms of policy-there is little to care about. Kellog Brown and Root got the contract for Katrina, and they just now realized that maybe they should monitor it. [link to www.washingtonpost.com]
Montoring is certainly a good idea, but their choice of contractors isn't
Fox News has a grand history of "everyone agrees" and "some people are saying" type of reporting.
This is not new, but I'm glad MMFA continues to report it.
It sounds like Bush wants to play the host on Extreme Makeover: Home Edition. When you make a few people very very very happy, it's easier to forget about the thousands who are left with nothing.
What Wallace said was:
"Senator, I don't think anybody would argue that those ideas aren't good ones"
"I DON'T THINK" indicating his opinion. He did not say:
"Senator, NOBODY would argue that those ideas aren't good ones"
It never fails to amaze me how desperate you liberals are to try to claim misinformation.
"What Wallace said was: "Senator, I don't think anybody would argue that those ideas aren't good ones"
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Right. So either Wallace didn't really "think" about the subject at hand (which as a reporter he's allegedly SUPPOSED to do), or he already knew some people disagreed with Bush's proposals but pretended he didn't know it and proceeded to deliberately misinform his audience with the kind of right-wing propoganda that the Fox viewer has come to expect.
No matter how you view it (or desperately try to spin or apologize on behalf of Wallace), it's misinformation.
No davey, Wallace gave his opinion. It's like me saying " I don't think anybody would argue that once FEMA and the military got into NO they did an incredibly good job" Yet I'm quite certain there are people out there who will (try to) find fault with anything connected to NO and the cleanup. Especially if it (the well organized clean-up) makes Bush look good. Doesn't mean it changes my opinion. I know the liberals will never have a good word for anything good Bush does.
It's you and the liberals always trying to spin everything to appear as if it's misinformation.
"It's you and the liberals always trying to spin everything to appear as if it's misinformation."
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There is no spinning needed. It is misinformation, whether it's his opinion or not. Spinning on behalf of Fox is what YOU are doing. Wallace misinformed. There is no way that it can be spun otherwise--by someone named "murph" or anyone else.
"It's like me saying " I don't think anybody would argue that once FEMA and the military got into NO they did an incredibly good job" Yet I'm quite certain there are people out there who will (try to) find fault with anything connected to NO and the cleanup."
If you say "I don't think anybody would argue" while you know (as you state in your example) that there are people who would argue it, that would be dishonest! Did you read what you wrote before posting?
Besides that, the implication of your comparison, paired with the ridiculous portrayal of those criticizing Bush and FEMA, is that the people who are criticizing Bush's proposal are somehow stretching or that nobody would reasonably think the proposals were a bad idea. It obviously seems to be a much more debatable subject than Wallace depicted it to be. Why isn't that misinformation?
Your point, while trying to defend Fox and Wallace, actually highlights the problem. Wallace, like the rest on that network injects their opinions which are always in line with the Rove strategy of the day. The viewers accept their opinions as fact and ignore what is really the truth. Could you imagine if Rather always editorialized, beginning with the phrase "I think..." and then bashed republicans? Conservative heads would have exploded! He was ran off for a lot less.
Fox is being disingenuous by claiming to be a news network. They don't report the news; they just state their biased opinions, which are usually incorrect. Thanks for pointing that out.
Why do you keep harping on the point that Wallace stated his opinion? It just proves the point that MMfA is making. There is no question about who David Brock is and from what perspective he is coming from. Wallace on the other hand is supposed to be a journalist. He is supposed to report the news, not make it up by giving his opinion. Here is is bio off the Fox news website:
[link to www.foxnews.com]
He is supposed to be a journalist, not a pundit.
They go to school, learn to accurately summarize and report news, but what they crave is to report themselves. "Hey America, here's what I think!!" From hurricanes to civil engineering challenges to evacuations to WMDs to the UN to Terry Schiavo and neuropathy to supreme court matters... they're experts. Why, because they have a microphone and an opinion. But the deeper truth is -- because that's what their bosses want from them.
"I don't think Republicans are opposed to a hearing and are proposing that hearings take place. I think that they object to ANOTHER circus, like the 9/11 commission, and rightfully so."
Alright, so why not have a truly bipartisan panel? One way or another they're trying to stack the deck and I'd like to know why if they are so confident.
Is it any wonder Fox's ratings have droped 54% in the last year. The truth will set you free, and dishonesty is tolerated only by those it benefits. R.I.P. Fox News - you won't be missed.
by liberal_founders - Tuesday September 20, 2005 02:10:11 PM EST--------------------------
Yes, FOX ratings have declined, perhaps directly because of sites like this, who knows? But they still hold 11 of the top 12 rated shows on cable news, so R.I.P. is a bit premature I would say.
[link to www.mediabistro.com]
Liberal_founders said:"Is it any wonder Fox's ratings have droped 54% in the last year. The truth will set you free, and dishonesty is tolerated only by those it benefits. R.I.P. Fox News..."
Not to be argumentative, but a quick search found the following that contradicts your assertion. It is dated August 31, 2005.
By Paul J. Gough
NEW YORK (Hollywood Reporter) - Fox News scored its largest audience so far this year in August, a month when most of the other cable news channels suffered ratings declines in comparison with convention-heavy 2004.
According to data released Tuesday by Nielsen Media Research, Fox News tallied slightly more than 2 million total viewers in primetime during the month, a 32% improvement over its year-ago figures.
By contrast, CNN lost 19% of its primetime viewership (to 748,000), and MSNBC dropped 22% to 349,000 in August compared with a year ago. CNN's Headline News, on the strength of "Nancy Grace" and other primetime programming, jumped 117% to 449,000 viewers, making it the third-ranked news channel in primetime, overtaking MSNBC.
In the news demographic of adults 25-54, Fox News ruled again, with 541,000 viewers, up 12%, while CNN lost 9% to 236,000 and MSNBC was mostly flat at 145,000. Headline News averaged 160,000, up 111%.
Fox News owned 11 of the top 12 shows in cable news, with 2.5 million viewers for No. 1 "The O'Reilly Factor" (up 13%) and 2.2 million viewers for "On the Record With Greta Van Susteren." Greta Van Susteren's show, which has seen a major boost in the ratings with its coverage of the Natalee Holloway story in Aruba, saw a 36% boost in viewership.
CNN's sole entry in the top 10, "Larry King Live," saw viewership fall 27% to 1 million. "The Situation Room," which debuted this month, averaged 466,000 viewers, down 14% compared to the political-heavy coverage on CNN last year. On the other hand, "Nancy Grace" gave Headline News its highest month ever, with 738,000 viewers in August. That was just behind "NewsNight With Aaron Brown" and "Paula Zahn Now"; "Paula Zahn Now" saw its total viewership rise 6% to 596,000, though its demo coverage was flat.
Fox News also won the ratings war in hurricane coverage Monday, according to Nielsen data released Tuesday afternoon. Fox News averaged 2.8 million viewers in total day -- a 247% increase over the same day in 2004 -- ahead of CNN's 1.8 million viewers and MSNBC's 679,000.
Reuters/Hollywood Reporter
see: [link to today.reuters.com]
Perhaps liberal_founders would like to retract his statement or admit his error... Something about truth I believe he wrote.
Parhaps it would help you to understand how ratings work. Heres a simple explanation. [link to www.fair.org]
As usual, apoligists for this administration have little trouble getting on Fox News Sunday. Chris Wallace needs to search his soul to see if he still has one. Fox News is becoming more and more hilarious as they desperately try to prop up the Bush admisitration. No amount of "experts" from the Heritage Foundation or the AEI can turn this around. Also no more fair and balanced political analysists like Newt Gingrich or Zell Miller can help. People the bottom line is:
THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!!!!
I think Wallace left out the no one "here at Faux who wants to keep thier job" part. of thaat statement.
"Senator, I don't think anybody would argue that those ideas aren't good ones, but are they the bold action that's needed to confront persistent poverty?"
Has anyone considered that perhaps this quote was actually a criticism of the presidents plan to confront persistent povert?
Wallace simply states he doesn’t think any one would argue they are not good IDEAS. But his actual question in essence asks if the IDEAS are the ACTION needed to combat the poverty problem.
Now that is a foundation for debate. Will the IDEAS translate into PLANS that help the poverty issue or are the ideas flawed and you will create additional problems and have little effect on the poverty issue.
Perhaps I give him more credit then he deserves but I also believe the conservative right actually has issues with Bush’s plan so maybe this wasn’t the blind support we are so used to seeing by Fox.
One note: I did not see the actual interview so I base my above suppositions on the part of the transcript MMFA posted; perhaps the entire interaction would debunk my supposition.
this is the link to the entire interview which MMFA provided.
[link to www.foxnews.com]
it doesn't support your theory.
the fact is, wallace should have known better. as a journalism professional, he should have researched the matter before expressing his summary. if he didn't know, he shouldn't have made the comment. this is not about ideas vs. action. this is about journalistic integrity, honesty, and accuracy, which seems to be in very short supply on faux news.
this is the link to the entire interview which MMFA provided. [link to www.foxnews.com] it doesn't support your theory. .-by atheist
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Appreciate the link. I read it and the posted exchange is the entirety of the discussion on the subject.
So why doesn’t it support my theory? If you would like to actually address my theory that may be helpful but perhaps you don’t want to do anything but bash this reporter…that is ok too…I’m no fan of this guy.
But it seems more interesting IMHO that there is a break in conservative support for this President and this issue of Katrina spending is the first time I see real opposition being expressed publically by conservatives. The rest of us knew that this administration was not truly conservative but it seemed conservatives were unwilling to break ranks…looks like things may be happening…
However I will say the fact that they didn’t pursue the subject speaks to shoddy journalism. But hey who does follow-up questions anymore.
No doubt Wallace probably SHOULD have said:
"Senator, I don't think *MANY* would argue that those ideas aren't good ones, but are they the bold action that's needed to confront persistent poverty?"
This WOULD have allowed for the reality that SOME had or would disagree, and in fact Wallace does SEEM to be asking if the IDEAS are BOLD enough...and NOT necessarily endorsing them.
In any case, the way Wallace WORDED his remarks certainly could be INTERPRETED as making a "CLAIM"...though I'm not entirely sure (even after reading the entire transcript) that that's exactly what he was doing...IMO.
Good afternoon jeter
I agree with your comments. If he had used “many” instead of “anyone” there WOULD be no issue.
But I looked at it as on their face no one WOULD argue that they were not good IDEAS. Much the same way it is hard to argue with the simple statement “it is a good idea to remove a brutal dictator like Saddam”. It is turning that idea into a workable plan that you discover the flaws in a “good idea.”
It is this trick question that right wing pundits like Sean Hannity love to stump the left with. They always ask “(insert name here), do you think removing Saddam was a good thing?" And then the other person, rather then stating the obvious: “yes, I think the idea of removing Saddam was good in theory but unfortunately there are flaws when we discuss the pros and cons and plan and execute such an idea." Instead the person hems and haws not wanting to endorse Bush’s ideas and leave themselves open to being labeled pro-Saddam.
Personally, I think this is one of the major problems with this administration’s ideas…they make terribly flawed plans.
Hi lostlogic, I just got a chance to read over your previous post& the one you just wrote (I'm at work&peeking in here whenever I get a breather).
Great point here by YOU:
="But I looked at it as on their face no one WOULD argue that they were not good IDEAS. Much the same way it is hard to argue with the simple statement “it is a good idea to remove a brutal dictator like Saddam”. It is turning that idea into a workable plan that you discover the flaws in a “good idea.”=
And you're correct --especially about Sean Hannity--his pat question EVERTIME is ' Is the world better off without Saddam' (or words to that effect) whenever the Iraq War comes up. Which of course has NOTHING to do with questioning that War's legality (and the reasons given for invading) in MOST American's minds.
I personally think Wallace has more integrity than a Hannity...which MIGHT not be saying MUCH as he is with FOX, and ONLY a hard line partisan would TRY to deny FOX has a Conservative bias.
To be honest, I'm NOT sure whether to give Wallace a pass here--as far as him TRYING to push the administration's plan, since I didn't see this exchange and can ONLY go by what I'm reading.
Again, I think Wallace's biggest BLUNDER here was saying "anyone" instead of "many".
Perhaps when I get a minute, I'll re-read the transcript...it's ALWAYS possible I might have missed something ;-)
Hope this post makes sense...I'm kind of doing two things at once :-O ...not easy for me. :-/
"In any case, the way Wallace WORDED his remarks certainly could be INTERPRETED as making a "CLAIM"..."
There's some psychology involved, too, whether the wording was intended to be a claim or not. When people are told something definitively or absolutely, even when it's an opinion preceded by "I think", they tend to stick to that impression more. For example, if Wallace had worded it more appropriately, the way you did, then when faced with an opposing viewpoint a viewer will not really know what to think. The wording lends some credence to opposing views, it allows them room. On the other hand, viewers watching Wallace as he said it will be much more certain when faced with an opposing viewpoint, and brush off the dissenting opinion thinking that the person is just being antagonistic and insincere. After all, nobody thinks that Bush's proposals aren't good ideas. It's happened to everyone at some point I'm sure;someone tells you something uncertainly, when you recall that information or opinion you will not claim it absolutely when you pass it on, but when someone tells you something in a very assuring manner you will tend to repeat it in the same way, unless you harbor some mistrust of your source.
Whether intentional or not, it plays into the pattern of black/white, us/them thinking that Bush apologists seem to embrace so often (and you aren't one of them, I know).
by brabantio - Tuesday September 20, 2005 02:37:41 PM E
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I think there is much merit to your analysis here and I do think it IS a tactic that they use.
However, with regards to Wallace’s statement try this experiment. Don’t attribute the quote to the Fox News Flunky; instead think of reading it from a different perspective.
Say if Bill Clinton said the same quote, used the exact same words. What would your immediate take on what he was trying to impart to the listener be? Was he endorsing Bush’s plan or would you have more likely thought he was saying, “yeah, it sounds good but…"
I tried this with my husband just now and I read the statement to him without telling him who said it and asked him what he thought the person was saying, were they pro or con the Bush plan. His rather prompt response was the speaker was not endorsing the plan instead was saying it would not answer the problem.
Try it. You may see it differently.
"Say if Bill Clinton said the same quote, used the exact same words. What would your immediate take on what he was trying to impart to the listener be?"
As far as whether Wallace was seriously questioning the effectiveness of the measures, you may be right. It's arguable that it's simply a softball question. The difference is the circumstances of the question. As a rhetorical question, of course it implies doubt just as you described. I'm not sure what circumstances Clinton would be making that quote, or who he would be asking for an acutal answer. Here, however, Wallace just as much as declares "good idea", then after asking that question Graham responds with very absolute, positive words. It's sort of a one-two punch. The viewer gets the idea that they're certainly good ideas from Wallace, and gets the idea that they'll be effective from Graham's definitive reply. If Wallace is really breaking camp with Bush on this one, I would think he wouldn't have worded it the way he did or would have followed up on Graham's reply, but it is possible he was simply underinformed.
by brabantio - Tuesday September 20, 2005 03:21:35 PM EST –
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Again I agree. I mentioned in my earlier post the real problem I saw was the lack of follow-up.
I do see this a lot with these guys. When they do criticize or even just question this administration they do it in such a way that you ARE left wondering what is their point (such as with this Wallace quote). They only express these questions to a Bush sympathetic person. They would never give the opposition the opening. Their questioning is always very timid in nature and if the other person doesn’t respond in kind they don’t pursue it. And usually if they do respond in kind (criticizing or questioning) they then throw out something to minimize the criticism …you know the “yeah, but its nothing like what Clinton did...blah, blah, blah.
Further tax breaks to rebuild and invest in these blighted communities, why does Bush always dogmatically pursue his "no tax increase at the minimum" agenda even when it has helped to influence the sorry state of affairs? This guy truly does have blinders on.
I know a MUCH better way to rebuild the Gulf Coast and to alleviate the poverty conditions in Louisiana.
1) Utilize the displaced to rebuild THEIR communities. You put money in their pockets and rebuild the destroyed areas. No more sweetheart deals to Halliburton or its subsisiary KBR. Federal money needs to go into the hands of people who live in southern LA and MS, not non-locals from Texas or wherever.
2) Repeal the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. The treasury gets several TRILLION additional dollars to pay for the reconstruction and reduce the national debt.
3) DO NOT rescind the federal law that requires contractors doing business to with the federal government to pay their employees a decent wage with benefits. We want to alleviate, not worsen poverty, right?
4) Restore the wetlands around New Orleans and reduce the constriction on the MS River upstream from Baton Rouge so that its earlier outlets to the sea can deposit silt along the Gulf Coast to prevent erosion. Place stringent land use regulations along the LA Gulf Coast to ensure the wetlands are not tampered with.
Blueblood,
Great plan, which I am sure most people living in the reality based world would agree with. I guess it would be too much for the media to expect Bush to give us a detailed account of how he plans to pay for the rebuilding.