Media overlooked Sen. Roberts's conflicting statements about investigation into Bush administration's use of intelligence before Iraq war
In reporting Sen. Pat Roberts's (R-KS) response to criticism from Democrats that he has stonewalled the portion of a Senate Intelligence Committee report dedicated to investigating the use -- or misuse -- of intelligence by Bush administration officials in the buildup to the Iraq war, the media overlooked Roberts's history of conflicting statements on the subject. Democrats say that stonewalling by Roberts and Senate Republicans on long-standing demands for an investigation into the use of pre-war intelligence prompted them to take the unusual step of invoking Senate Rule 21 and calling for a closed Senate session on November 1.
Roberts's conflicting statements on "phase two"
- In a July 9, 2004, news conference, Roberts agreed with Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) that determining whether administration officials manipulated intelligence to promote the war, in part, constituted "phase two" of the investigation, and was a "top priority" of his:
ROCKEFELLER: The central issue of how intelligence on Iraq was -- in this senator's opinion, was exaggerated by the Bush administration officials, was relegated to that second phase, as yet unbegun, of the committee investigation.
ROBERTS: As Senator Rockefeller has alluded to, this is in phase two of our efforts. We simply couldn't get that done with the work product that we put out. And he has pointed out that has a top priority. It is one of my top priorities.
- In a July 13, 2004, press conference, Roberts elaborated that phase two would include three things: 1) "what the intelligence community said in regards to what would happen after the military mission was over"; 2) the role of the Defense Department's Office of Special Plans, led by undersecretary Douglas Feith; and 3) "the use question" in which the committee would "look at the public statements of any administration official and public official ... and compare it with the intelligence and what we have found out in regards to the inquiry."
- In March, Roberts appeared to redefine phase two, suggesting that the investigation would not examine how Bush administration officials allegedly manipulated the available intelligence, if the investigation was completed at all. In early March, Roberts said that the inquiry into the use of intelligence was "on the back burner." Then, in a March 31 press release in which he commented on the release of phase one of the report, Roberts stated: "I don't think there should be any doubt that we have now heard it all regarding prewar intelligence. I think that it would be a monumental waste of time to replow this ground any further." Phase one of the report determined that intelligence assessments were not impacted by pressure from policymakers, but it did not examine how those completed intelligence assessments were used by President Bush or policymakers in the administration and Congress.
- Roberts again contradicted himself on the April 10 edition of NBC's Meet the Press, when he reaffirmed his 2004 commitment to include an assessment of the use of intelligence by policymakers in phase two of the investigation. However, in that appearance, he also downplayed such an endeavor as something other than the "real issue" and baselessly concluded that it would only show "that the intelligence was wrong and that's exactly why they [policymakers] said what they said":
TIM RUSSERT (host): But as you well know, when your report came out there were many people who said that you were not going forward with phase two about exaggerations and shaping because you didn't want to involve yourself, influence the election. You made a firm commitment to do just that.
ROBERTS: Yeah, we're going to do that, Tim.
RUSSERT: The United States went to war --
ROBERTS: Tim, we're going to do that. I will bring it here. We'll have the 50 statements. We'll have the intelligence. We can match it up and you can do it with members of Congress, who are very, very critical, who made the same things, and you can say, "OK," and you'll say, "Well, Pat, it just looks to me that the intelligence was wrong and that's exactly why they said what they said." Now, I don't know what that accomplishes over the long term. I'm perfectly willing to do it, and that's what we agreed to do, and that door is still open. And I don't want to quarrel with Jay, because we both agreed that we would get it done. But we do have --we have [former U.S. representative to the United Nations and former Iraq] Ambassador [John D.] Negroponte next week, we have General Mike Hayden next week. We have other hot-spot hearings or other things going on that are very important. So we will get it done, but it seems to me that we ought to put it in some priority of order, and after we do get it done I think everybody's going to scratch their head and say, "OK, well, that's fine. You know, let's go to the real issue."
- In July, Roberts again reneged on his pledge to investigate the use of intelligence. After release of the Downing Street memo, a secret British intelligence document indicating that intelligence officials there believed that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy" by the Bush administration to support its case for war, Senate Democrats -- led by Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) -- wrote to Roberts and Rockefeller on June 22, urging them to "accelerate to completion the work of the so-called 'phase II' effort to assess how policymakers used the intelligence they received." In a July 20 response to Kerry, Roberts disputed that the Senate Intelligence Committee had "agree[d] to examine the vague notion" of how policymakers used intelligence, and argued -- irrelevantly -- that the point was moot because the committee unanimously found that the intelligence community's assessments were not "influenced by political pressure." Contrary to Roberts's argument, whether the intelligence was tainted by "pressure" is a wholly separate matter from how that intelligence was used once it was obtained by the administration.
- In that same response to Kerry, Roberts also appeared to contradict his promise to Russert that he would "bring it [phase two of the report]" onto Meet the Press by casting doubt over whether phase two would ever be made public. Roberts wrote: "When the Committee has completed its work on phase II, we will determine the form in which the Committee will express its findings and whether it will be possible or prudent to release them publicly."
- Roberts's misleading statements about phase two have continued in recent days. While he has continued to suggest that phase two will be released in the near future, Roberts has also continued to dismiss the need to examine the administration's use of intelligence in the buildup to the war. On the November 1 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, Roberts said:
ROBERTS: There's a part of me that says if you look in the rearview mirror, there's a little crack in regards to partisan lines, and figure out what somebody said two or three years ago, and was it justified by intelligence. I don't know the relevancy of that.
Roberts's past statements ignored by print, broadcast media
Roberts's history of conflicting statements about whether the Senate Intelligence Committee will, and should, examine the Bush administration's use of pre-war intelligence went unreported throughout the media. For example, November 2 articles by the Associated Press, The New York Times, and the Los Angeles Times did not report Roberts's contradictory statements about the investigation while reporting his claim that the move by Democrats to hold a closed session of the Senate to discuss pre-war intelligence was a "stunt," that he had not slowed the inquiry, and that the phase two report would be shortly forthcoming. Roberts's conflicting statements also went unmentioned in the broadcast media, including the November 2 broadcast of National Public Radio's (NPR) Morning Edition.
















Alito's nomination was Bush's attempt to change the subject and Harry Reid perfectly brought the sites back to bear upon the sleaze in the White House, their lies, their manipulation,their misrepresentations. All that has gotten a lot of people killed, a lot of money wasted and damaged America at home and abroad. Bush's Iraq Blunder will be long remembered - but not if Pat Roberts has anything to do with it. Coverup - that's the Republican strategy.
Bush says of the Americans killed, "We will honor their sacrifice by completing the mission."
How about we honor the families of the 2,000+ Americans killed by giving them some straight answers?
If it takes a "stunt" to get the Republicans to stop dragging their feet, so be it. Let the stunts begin. I hope whatever came over Reid finally becomes contagious among Democrats. This is our only hope of having the truth finally come out.
This stonewalling cannot be tolerated. We need to keep the pressure on or the people who misled our country in order to start an illegal war will get away with it. You need to be heard.
Email Pat Roberts and let him know you want accountability in government. I know there are a few honest Republicans left who agree as well.
Thanks open_mind...whew, I feel better after sending Sen. Roberts a scathing letter demanding a thorough and bipartisan investigation along with a couple other choice words.
I've also been calling the White House switchboard on various choice issues, for what good it does; however, they said today when I asked if my calls really make a difference. The operator said, "Oh, yes, yes, they are beginning to listen." So join me in bombarding the White House Comment line at 202-456-1414 or 202-456-1111.
Hey, listen one little ole tired colored lady changed the world by just sitting down when she was tired! Anyway, making the calls made me feel better. It's the least I can do.
Well, actually, my dear Rocky, Mrs. Parks wasn't physically tired when she decided not to get up from that seat. She was tired of the injustices the were brought forth upon her people and decided to make a stand. That is what she was tired of....
I swear Media Matters is the best site on the internet!!
Talk about throwing the half truths, lies and obsfucations back into the faces of the repugs.
Great work MMFA!!!
Question? How is it that, when President Bush says Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, and that we need to get rid of him, he's lying, but when Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Bill and Hillary Clinton, etc., say the SAME thing, they're telling the truth?
You are correct, and here is the proof:
Each of these Democrats made comments about WMD's and Iraq ... AMAZING how the "Left" won't bring this up ... NO ... only Bush is a Liar, the Left never lies.
After you click on the link from Glenn Beck, he provides the "source" for each comment.
[link to www.glennbeck.com]
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
(D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 |
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
by wasademocrat - Thursday November 3, 2005 06:53:16 AM EST
Bingo! Good work wasademocrat
Don't be too surprised if your posts vanishes, they hate dissenting voices here, and they especially frown on the truth.
It will be mighty interesting to see how the Lefties here try to spin this.
No spin is required, murph. Not just the Democrats, but also Congressional Republicans voted to authorize Bush to use force on two conditions: that he allow the inspections process to be completed, and that he get Security Council approval and U.N. cooperation in any invasion. Bush failed to meet both of these requirements.
The fact that the administration presented leading Democrats with misleading information is in the process of being resolved. I blame the administration and the media for the fact that we are at war in Iraq, not any Democrat.
Are you justifying Bush's decision to go to war because (you assert) that Democrats supported it at the time? Is that your best justification for the war, that the Democrats supported it, too?
Gore has never supported the war. I don't know what Beck is spinning there, but Gore has been out front against the war the whole time.
I didn't say Gore supported the War, nor did Glenn Beck.
Here is what Gore said:
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Okay, then show me where Gore says the inspections regime and sanctions weren't preventing Saddam from doing just that. The Democratic position was that Saddam could not be trusted, but that he was contained and that war a la Bush was not necessary to achieve Saddam's dissarmament. So do you agree, based on Gore's quotes, that he would have continued to pay attention to Saddam, and contain him, without getting us into a protracted insoluble war? Or will you continue to mischaracterize leading Democratic politicians positions?
wasademocrat - Thursday November 3, 2005 07:28:10 AM EST
Sept 02 in other words BEFORE the inspectors were giving us new information. The difference is where do the Dems (who I do give some of the blame for the Iraq debacle) tell outright LIES like Bush did? Where do they, like Bush did on Sept 7, 2002 say that the IAEA came out with a report when the inspectors were finally denied access (98) that said Iraq was six months from a (nuclear) weapon WHEN NO SUCH REPORT EXISTED? See there is a difference between believing something and being wrong and telling outright lies. Where do the DEMS completely ignore all relevant EXPERTS to make a claim denied by said experts like the Bush administration did when they claimed that the aluminum tubes Iraq was buying (over the internet, not secretly) could ONLY be used for gas centrifuges to enrich uranium when EVERY SCIENTIST who studied them and was familiar with GCs said they were NOT SUITABLE for such use and that their use for GCs was implausable? There is the difference the Dems (not understanding that Bush lies like most people breathe) listened to the President and were wrong. BUSH LIED. Period, there is no reasonable argument that Bush did not lie. Making up an IAEA report that never existed is a LIE or there is no such thing as a lie, its not a mistake of intelligence, its not a misinterpretation, ITS A LIE.
The real joke about all this is the fact that the war in Iraq was supposed to protect us from the "evildoer" Saddam Hussein before he got his hands on a nuclear weapon. Or that is this administration led the American people to believe.
Yet these same Repugs dismiss the importance when the name of classified employee in the Counterproliferation Department of the CIA is leaked. Not only do they deem it a "non-crime" but they don't even think it's a big deal. Especially when of their own was impeached for obstructing the investigation.
This shows you how much the Repugs really care about our national security. Where all the cries from the right for a damage assessment? What is the impact on our national security?
The best they can come up with is "Joe Wilson lied."
Idiots. We can't defeat the terrorists when our own government undermines our own intelligence through such an indifferent cavalier act.
1) Do you think tough talk and hyperbole has a place in diplomacy? Can it be used as a tool to bring about change in another country?
2) Does saying these things about Saddam imply in any way approval for conducting an illegal war against him?
Well, they were going off the information that was, dare I say, made up by "someone or some people" within the current administration. Were they stupid? Oh, hell yes, but they trusted what was said by their nation's leader because he would never bring forth false claims? Would he?
Even though, I firmly believe that ALL POLITICIANS LIE. Republican or Democrat...they lie. Just gotta wage through the bullcrap and try to come out clean on the other side.
The above thread FAILS to recognize that those individuals who voted for the war or made statements contemporarily with that vote WERE BEING FED THE SAME LIES AS THE REST OF US BY THE PRESIDENT AND HIS LIARS. Scooter Libby, for example, told Judith Miller that an intelligence report supported the theory of WMD -- but when revealed, it said the exact OPPOSITE. President Bush and his liars didn't just lie to the public -- they lied TO CONGRESS. There - isn't it better when you know the truth?
The Right acts as if the Democrats have their own version of the CIA. Sorry, we don't! The administration is supposed to run that side. Democrats in congress can't even do proper oversight until they recapture the majority in 2006.
Hey - Clinton in 1998 is not Bush in 2003. Clinton's 1998 intelligence was already old in 2001, not to mention in 2003. By the reichwing's logic, we should be preparing for an attack on Pearl because of 1941 intelligence reports.