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November 30, 2005 5:11 pm ET

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A November 27 Washington Post article uncritically reported data from a flawed poll, concluding that the majority of Americans are "sympathetic" to "Vice President [Dick] Cheney's suggestion that criticism of the administration's [Iraq] war policies was itself becoming a hindrance to the war effort." In a poll released November 21 by RT Strategies, a polling firm founded by Democratic pollster Thomas Riehle and Republican pollster Lance Tarrance, the firm reported that 70 percent of Americans believe that Democratic senators' criticism of President Bush's Iraq war policy hurts U.S. troop morale in Iraq, while 13 percent believe it helps morale. But as the Daily Kos weblog first pointed out, the poll does not allow for the possibility that criticism of Bush's Iraq policy has no effect on troop morale. Moreover, it does not address the fact that 57 percent of Americans now believe the president misled the public when he made the case for war in Iraq, according to a November 4-7 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. This belief could also have a substantial effect on troop morale, an issue the RT pollsters completely ignored. The Post article and other media reports of the poll's results did not acknowledge these significant flaws in the RT poll.

RT's poll asked respondents: "Thinking about the war in Iraq, when Democratic Senators criticize the President's policy on the war in Iraq, do you believe it HELPS the morale of our troops in Iraq or HURTS the morale of our troops in Iraq?" Respondents could answer that such criticism "[h]urts morale a lot," "[h]urts morale some," "[h]elps morale some," or "[h]elps morale a lot." Although the poll recorded the responses of those who refused to answer or said they were unsure, respondents were not offered any option other than that the criticism helps or hurts morale. In any forced-choice poll question, most respondents are reluctant to offer an answer other than the options given. Furthermore, in many instances, interviewers are instructed only to accept answers that can be placed in one of the defined responses, or listed as "don't know" or "not sure." The fact that the survey reports only a category called "not sure/refused" -- and the fact that the sum of this figure, combined with the "helps" and "hurts" totals, constitutes 100 percent of the responses -- suggests that these were the instructions the interviewers received.

Such instructions would have made it difficult for a respondent to answer that Democratic criticism neither helps nor hurts troop morale. Limited to a choice between "helps" and "hurts," most respondents answered that such criticism hurts troop morale "some" or "a lot" -- even 52 percent of Democrats surveyed. An additional 17 percent of respondents are listed as having answered "[n]ot sure" or refusing to answer the question at all.

Following the poll's release, numerous media outlets referenced its flawed conclusions. In addition to the November 27 Post article, a Media Matters for America review found that the poll results were reported by the following media figures:

  • Washington Post staff writer Chris Cillizza, in a November 23 post on The Fix, his WashingtonPost.com politics blog
  • Fox News host Sean Hannity, on the November 25 broadcast of ABC Radio Networks' The Sean Hannity Show
  • Scripps Howard News Service's Dan K. Thomasson, in a November 28 column
  • Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes, on the November 28 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume
  • Nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh, on the November 29 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show
  • Fox News host Bill O'Reilly, on the November 29 edition of Fox News' The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly

Additionally, portions of the November 27 Post article were reprinted November 28 by these newspapers:

  • The Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Sun Sentinel
  • The St. Petersburg, Florida, Times
  • The San Jose, California, Mercury News
  • The Akron, Ohio, Beacon Journal

Also, Wall Street Journal OpinionJournal.com editor James Taranto quoted from the Post article in his November 28 "Best of the Web Today" column, as Limbaugh did on the November 28 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show.

On November 28, The Kansas City Star printed an edited version of the November 27 Post article.

On his November 25 radio show, Hannity quoted the poll results for registered voters (available here), although other coverage of the poll quoted the statistics for all respondents. Hannity also referred to the poll as a "Cook poll." The Cook Political Report conducts some polls jointly with RT Strategies.

From the November 25 broadcast of ABC Radio Network's The Sean Hannity Show:

HANNITY: As we start the program today, 68 percent of respondents in the Cook poll say that the Democrats' criticisms of the president's policies in Iraq are hurting troop morale. Only 14 percent say it helps. In other words, the Democrats that voted for the war, that said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, biological, chemical, and nuclear -- now that they're out there politicizing the war, 68 percent of respondents say yes, it's hurting troop morale. Well, imagine if you were a soldier in harm's way, how you'd feel.

From the November 28 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume, which also featured host Brit Hume, Roll Call executive editor Morton M. Kondracke, and National Public Radio national political correspondent Mara Liasson:

LIASSON: Even if the president is not going to come out and do the kind of mea culpa that some Democrats and Mort would like him to do, I tell you what he is doing, he is responding to criticism over and over again. When [Sen.] Joe Biden [D-DE] comes in with an op-ed piece, he comes out the next day. And the White House says, hey, we agree -- Joe Biden agrees with us. You know, we're on board with Joe Biden. That's an unusual message from this White House.

HUME: But the Democrats continue to attack.

BARNES: But there was a very interesting poll by a bipartisan polling firm that found that 70 percent of Americans think -- agree that -- with what Dick Cheney said that the Democratic criticism hurts the morale of the troops.

From the November 29 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: But the bottom line to all this, folks, is that they are losing. They have this poll that we cited yesterday that was in Sunday's Washington Post. Their big effort about prewar intelligence is backfiring, 70 percent of the American people, 55 percent of Democrats think that it's nothing but a political ploy, and they think that it is demoralizing to the troops to constantly criticize the effort. The public views it as a political ploy that hurts the troops. It's backfiring on these people. I have maintained, I don't know how long, when you people have been up and down and sort of in the dumps about this, I have maintained that all of this behavior is going to backfire on them.

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LIMBAUGH: But I'm just telling you, folks, this stuff doesn't have any sticking power or staying power, in terms of the Democrats. It's because it's just more negativism. And I guarantee you that poll on Sunday in The Washington Post, they are turning people off with all of this, and they have been for the longest time. It's no more than another Wellstone memorial, and you know how that went for them.

From the November 29 edition of Fox News' The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:

O'REILLY: Here's a poll that's very interesting. RT Strategies asked, "When Democratic senators criticize the president's policy on the war in Iraq, do you believe it helps the morale of our troops or hurts the morale of our troops?" Kind of a dopey question. Hurts morale a lot, 44 percent of Americans. Hurts morale some, 26. So there you have 70 percent of Americans feel that criticism of the Iraq war hurts the morale of the troops. And only 13 percent thinks it helps the morale. And they're morons because they don't know anything. I get a lot of email from soldiers, and a lot of them say, you know, when we hear this defeatist stuff, it hurts us because we're putting our lives on the line, and we want Americans to appreciate it. So I think the poll is accurate.

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    • Author by mills (November 30, 2005 8:43 pm ET)
         

      - reported data from a flawed poll...In any forced-choice poll question, most respondents are reluctant to offer an answer other than the options given - mmfa ================================================================

      This is a steaming pile of horseturds from mmfa. They are quick to use ANY poll results that support their position...and quick to refute ALL poll results that don't support their position.

      Outraged at someone using a forced-choice poll? They should examine their own tactics because they're no more ethical than anyone else.

      mmfa trumpeted a Gallup poll that asked a forced-choice question...Do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or not?

      mmfa crowed about a CBS poll that asked...was Roe v Wade a good thing or a bad thing.

      mmfa bragged about a NY Times poll that asked respondents if they viewed Rove favorably or unfavorably.

      mmfa blathered in support of a Newsweek poll that asked if Pres.Bush was honest or not.

      mmfa is an organization full of shameless hucksters...not white knights crusading to correct injustice.

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      • Author by LarryE (November 30, 2005 9:59 pm ET)
           

        Not a valid criticism because many of the examples cited were not forced-choice questions but included options for "neither" in some form or another - and it was the lack of that option that was the basis of MMFA's complaint.

        In other cases, such as the "was it a mistake to invade Iraq" question, forced-choice is legitimate - unless, that is, you can explain how the invasion can be neither a mistake nor not a mistake. (Which is not the same, it shouldn't be necessary to point out but perhaps is, as not having an opinion or being unsure if it was a mistake or not.)

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      • Author by tralfaz (November 30, 2005 10:29 pm ET)
           

        --i get the feeling you'd be happier visiting a different website....

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        • Author by losingfaith (December 01, 2005 10:57 am ET)
             

          Actually, I'm sure they wouldn't be. Happiness to someone like that is getting in here and whining and thinking they're scoring points for some great cause.

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    • Author by mefirst (November 30, 2005 10:06 pm ET)
         

      you have an automatic 45% of the country, the republican base, that is going to attack anything said by a democrat.

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    • Author by tralfaz (November 30, 2005 10:31 pm ET)
         

      --i can't believe that our military, the toughest hombres in the world, would get all weak in the knees over some debate about their mission taking place back home.

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    • Author by Brabantio (November 30, 2005 10:40 pm ET)
         

      The point these commentaries miss is that the efforts to evaluate the war and the concern for the safety of the troops are more important than morale. There are perfectly legitimate questions about the way we came into this war. Are people not suppose to bring them up because of "morale"? That's comically stupid. Our soldiers are dying for lies, but as long as they're in good spirits, it's all well and good.

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      • Author by solon (December 01, 2005 3:48 am ET)
           

        brabantio - Wednesday November 30, 2005 10:40:49 PM EST -

        Exactly, I dont want to hurt anyones feelings but it is more important that the next wife NOT become a widow or the next child NOT lose his father than that someones morale might be hurt

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        • Author by Sagra (December 01, 2005 11:15 am ET)
             

          Which of these harms morale more?

          80%+ of Iraqis wanting foreign troops out.

          45% of Iraqis saying it's okay to kill foreign troops.

          Having Donald Rumsfeldt as your boss.

          Seeing your friends get blown up.

          Democrats wanting you to come home safe.

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    • Author by dirk (December 01, 2005 2:16 am ET)
         

      "--i can't believe that our military, the toughest hombres in the world, would get all weak in the knees over some debate about their mission taking place back home."

      by tralfaz - Wednesday November 30, 2005 10:31:20 PM EST

      The point is that the American public see how dishonest crticism of the troops hurts their morale. It is perfectly fine to be against the war or to crticise the war, but they also need to provide their own solutions. The democrats have offered ZERO solutions. Also it is one thing to crticize the war, but it is another thing for spineless politicans who voted for the war and made statements simliar to Bush to now forget everything they said. They don't have the guts to say they were wrong. The would rather deflect responsibility and act like they didn't have FULL ACCESS to the intelligence agency if they wanted to question anything.

      How would you feel if you were a soldier who believes that they are fighting for a just cause(80% feel that they are fighting for a just cause) and the senator from your home state, who supported the war initially and claimed Iraq was a threat, is now backpeddling and saying the war was based on a lie and it isn't worth fighting for?

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      • Author by tralfaz (December 01, 2005 9:26 am ET)
           

        --i would want my arse brought back home if it turned out there was no solid reason to be there. preventing bush from having to acknowledge a mistake would be the least of my concerns.

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      • Author by Brabantio (December 01, 2005 9:31 am ET)
           

        "The point is that the American public see how dishonest crticism of the troops hurts their morale."

        Who is criticizing the troops, much less dishonestly?

        "It is perfectly fine to be against the war or to crticise the war, but they also need to provide their own solutions. The democrats have offered ZERO solutions."

        No, they don't have to do anything of the sort. This war is Bush's disaster, he created it and sold it, and it's up to his administration to fix it. Besides that, if the democrats have offered ZERO solutions, then why are the republicans stealing and editing their bills and passing them off as their own?

        "Also it is one thing to crticize the war, but it is another thing for spineless politicans who voted for the war and made statements simliar to Bush to now forget everything they said."

        Voting for the resolution is not voting for the war. Bush kept saying he didn't want to go to war, remember? Or will you argue that that was just a game and everyone already knew he was lying?

        "How would you feel if you were a soldier who believes that they are fighting for a just cause(80% feel that they are fighting for a just cause) and the senator from your home state, who supported the war initially and claimed Iraq was a threat, is now backpeddling and saying the war was based on a lie and it isn't worth fighting for?"

        Interesting that anyone would argue that morale is important, but then take that 80% number at face value. Soldiers make their own morale, it comes from something called cognitive dissonance. It's a conflict within the mind to be fighting for something that's illegitimate or unjust. That's why people rationalize things, to make themselves feel better about it.

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      • Author by losingfaith (December 01, 2005 11:05 am ET)
           

        "The point is that the American public see how dishonest crticism of the troops hurts their morale."

        Who's making dishonest criticisms of the troops?

        "The democrats have offered ZERO solutions."

        Just because you've shielded your eyes from the solutions offered by them doesn't mean they don't exist. Shall I start with recent examples or older? I'll start with a simple recent example and see what you have to say. Murtha.

        "They don't have the guts to say they were wrong."

        Some of them have said they're wrong. Will you be so big as to do the same?

        "(80% feel that they are fighting for a just cause)"

        Any source for this?

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      • Author by LarryE (December 02, 2005 1:34 pm ET)
           

        The democrats have offered ZERO solutions

        Actually, that's not true; it's just that every option offered that doesn't involve shouting "STAY THE COURSE!" gets condemned by the right-wing hit machine as "advocating surrender to the terrorists" and "disrespecting the troops" while "hurting their morale."

        Note well what's being said by the wingers: We must not "hurt the morale" of US forces. Criticism of the war "hurts morale." Therefore we must not criticize the war.

        Oh, you can make "fair comment" on the conduct of the war, that is, you can propose ways to prosecute the war - i.e., kill Iraqis - more effectively. That's okay. (This of course does not extend to criticism of such as Abu Ghraib, torture, the use of white phosphorus on civilians in Fallujah, and so on; that's "smearing the troops.") But criticism of the war itself? Quite beyond the pale.

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    • Author by dirk (December 01, 2005 2:59 am ET)
         

      "It's not like it's even true.The troops are even saying they are paying the debate no mind so, that parts a lie anyway.What this post is about is that Media has cited flawed poll that makes the mere SUGGESTION !"

      by deeanna - Thursday December 1, 2005 02:32:02 AM EST

      My Dad and my 2 brothers are in Iraq RIGHT NOW and it is well known in the miltary that Democrats who voted for the War and made staements about Iraq's threat are now being spineless politicians and they are afraid to take resposibility for their vote.

      They want to act as if Bush fooled them all, but every democrat I know claims Bush is one of the stupidest presidents of all time. How could Bush fool them if that is the case?

      Get your facts right Deeanna or wake up to the fact the troops morale is hurt when dishonest politicians can't see a war through(that 80% of the military believes Iraq is a noble cause)that they voted for.

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      • Author by deeanna (December 01, 2005 3:10 am ET)
           

        Get your facts right Deeanna or wake up to the fact the troops morale is hurt when dishonest politicians can't see a war through(that 80% of the military believes Iraq is a noble cause)that they voted for.

        by dirk - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Hmmm.What does this San Diego native with 3 brother in laws whom two were Marines and one in the Navy, 2 of whom fought in that Dessert Storm,who has expressed that George Bush is a [......] but they can never be caught saying it out loud in front of their high-ranking officers and a brother who was in the Army who said " You don't question the Boss.That's considered Treason and Derriliction (sp) of duty ,think of what dirk has to say ?......Well, what I wanted to say kept getting the following message.

        [Please try to express your views without using profanity.]

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      • Author by solon (December 01, 2005 3:54 am ET)
           

        dirk - Thursday December 1, 2005 02:59:59 AM EST

        The difference is dems made broad statements, rhetoric that turned out to be wrong Bush told outright lies and distorted intelligence like about the aluminum tubes, Niger uranium, unmanned drones and mobile bioweapons labs that were actually trucks to make hydrogen. Show me the quotes where dems made up reports that never existed or sent reports to congress that had already been refuted by every expert in the field. When you can do that THEN your assertion the dems were saying the same thing will hold water. Until then its patent nonsense

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      • Author by tralfaz (December 01, 2005 9:30 am ET)
           

        "How could Bush fool them if that is the case?

        --because up till now, people automatically assumed that the president knew what he was talking about and had at least some integrity. people did not want to believe that this bloodthirsty moron could be such a bold-faced liar. and, virtually the entire media was acting as his cheerleaders.

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      • Author by losingfaith (December 01, 2005 11:11 am ET)
           

        "They want to act as if Bush fooled them all, but every democrat I know claims Bush is one of the stupidest presidents of all time. How could Bush fool them if that is the case?"

        Oh oh oh, I've got this one! Let me give this a shot...

        mmhmmhmm (clearing throat)... 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11

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    • Author by dirk (December 01, 2005 3:42 am ET)
         

      Hmmm.What does this San Diego native with 3 brother in laws whom two were Marines and one in the Navy, 2 of whom fought in that Dessert Storm,who has expressed that George Bush is a [......] but they can never be caught saying it out loud in front of their high-ranking officers and a brother who was in the Army who said " You don't question the Boss.That's considered Treason and Derriliction (sp) of duty ,think of what dirk has to say ?......Well, what I wanted to say kept getting the following message.

      by deeanna - Thursday December 1, 2005 03:10:54 AM EST

      And... What's your point? So 3 people you know that are in the Military say Bush is a (insert profanity here). Big deal. There are always skeptics or people who don't support him, but the vast majority do support Bush(at least 80%)

      Among the electorate, 30 percent of households have at least one member on active duty or a veteran. Those households tend to vote Republican by a six-point margin over Democrats.

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      • Author by deeanna (December 01, 2005 3:52 am ET)
           

        And... What's your point? So 3 people you know that are in the Military say Bush is a (insert profanity here). Big deal. There are always skeptics or people who don't support him, but the vast majority do support Bush(at least 80%)

        Among the electorate, 30 percent of households have at least one member on active duty or a veteran. Those households tend to vote Republican by a six-point margin over Democrats.

        by dirk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        The POINT is,we will NEVER have ACTIVE duty MILITARY speaking out AGAINST Bush.Once they come home...that's a different story.It started with Paul Hackett in Ohio.Now, there are about eight soldiers who have returned from Iraq who are running for public office and guess what they are nerd....DEMOCRATS! Hooooooooo Raaaaaaaaw!

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      • Author by losingfaith (December 01, 2005 11:14 am ET)
           

        Dirk: "My Dad and my 2 brothers are in Iraq RIGHT NOW"

        Deanna: "Hmmm.What does this San Diego native with 3 brother in laws whom two were Marines and one in the Navy"

        Dirk: "And... What's your point? So 3 people you know that are in the Military say Bush is a (insert profanity here). Big deal."

        Hmmmmmmm, interesting how Dirk's 3 people are somehow more valid than Deanna's.

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    • Author by tralfaz (December 01, 2005 9:33 am ET)
         

      --if we can't question bush, then why don't we just cut to the chase and make him emperor? that way those of us who refuse to acknowledge His greatness can be sent off to concentration camps, and the morale of the troops will surge as no one raises a voice in protest as they are sent off from one bloody conflict to another.

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    • Author by dem in texas (December 01, 2005 11:11 am ET)
         

      The Republican Wind Machine has promoted the lie that criticism of the Bush-inspired war is criticism of the troops and hurts their morale over and over again.

      I would not be surprised if a majority of Americans did believe that criticism of Bush's poor choices did hurt the morale of the troops, as we have heard that lie repeated over and over again.

      That does not make it true that valid criticism of the illegitimate war and the deceitful Bush administration hurts the troop morale.

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      • Author by losingfaith (December 01, 2005 11:17 am ET)
           

        "That does not make it true that valid criticism of the illegitimate war and the deceitful Bush administration hurts the troop morale."

        And even if it did, the responsibility for it would lay with the purpeTRAITORS of this ridiculous war, not the people trying to point out how wrong it was.

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        • Author by Brabantio (December 01, 2005 11:29 am ET)
             

          "And even if it did, the responsibility for it would lay with the purpeTRAITORS of this ridiculous war, not the people trying to point out how wrong it was."

          Exactly. The administration sends the troops into harm's way for this nation-building experiment, and it's the people who question those actions that are disrespecting and dishonoring our military? I'll make a deal with Bush;don't start any legally questionable, imperialistic wars under false pretenses and I won't criticize them. That way nobody can be accused of hurting morale. Sound good?

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    • Author by spintronic (December 01, 2005 12:01 pm ET)
         

      Would love to see a poll taken in the following context:

      "Do you believe that if the President has been found to have been dishonest with the reasons/evidence given for invading Iraq, does criticizm of that dishonesty hurt our troops morale?"

      (My apologies for the phrasing, I hope you all can get my rationale for the poll question - If you can phrase it better, please feel free to)

      I Bet you'll never see a poll with that kind of question....

      I dare someone to have that as a poll question!

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    • Author by solon (December 01, 2005 3:41 pm ET)
         

      Once again the wingnuts try a bait and switch. It is not those who lied and misled to take us into a war of aggression that are causing the damage, rather those who voice valid criticisms of using lies and misleading the public to take us into a war of aggression that are doing the harm

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