Media left unchallenged Bush's claim that NSA wiretapping program has backing of Supreme Court
SUMMARY: In a January 23 speech defending his warrantless domestic surveillance program, President Bush claimed that Congress' 2001 authorization of force, upheld by the Supreme Court in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, establishes his authority to conduct the program. But numerous legal authorities have objected to Bush's claim that the high court affirmed his authority to wiretap U.S. residents without a warrant. Despite these objections, several news outlets repeated Bush's claim without challenge.
In his January 23 speech, President Bush claimed that the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), passed by Congress in 2001 and upheld by the Supreme Court in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, establishes his authority to conduct his warrantless domestic surveillance program. But the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) and numerous legal experts have expressed strong objections to Bush's claim that the high court affirmed in Hamdi his authority to eavesdrop on the international communications of U.S. residents without a warrant. They have noted that the court, in fact, rejected the expansive interpretation of the AUMF now being put forward by the administration. More specifically, they have pointed to the court's rejection in Hamdi of certain powers central to Bush's defense of the domestic surveillance program. Despite these concerns, several news outlets repeated or aired Bush's claim without challenge.
Since the public disclosure of the domestic eavesdropping program, the Bush administration has asserted that the AUMF implicitly authorized the president to order the National Security Agency (NSA) to intercept the international communications of U.S. residents without obtaining warrants pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Although the Supreme Court has never ruled on the specific issue of warrantless surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes, administration officials have argued that the high court's decision in Hamdi supports this rationale.
The petitioner in the case, Yaser Hamdi, had been captured in Afghanistan and transferred back to the United States, where he was detained as an "enemy combatant." Hamdi challenged his detention on the grounds that that the 1971 Non-Detention Act (50 U.S.C. § 811) prohibits the detention of a U.S. citizen except pursuant to an "act of Congress." The plurality opinion, written by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, declared that such detention is a "fundamental incident of war" and agreed with the government's position that the power to detain Hamdi fell under the "necessary and appropriate force" authorized by Congress in the AUMF, therefore fulfilling the requirements of the Non-Detention Act. But the court also rejected the administration's claim that it could deny the citizen-detainee the opportunity to challenge his detention and could hold him for the sole purpose of intelligence-gathering. Despite the court's having imposed these limitations, supporters of the NSA program cite Hamdi as affirmation of the president's plenary authority under the AUMF.
Specifically, the administration has argued that the warrantless surveillance of U.S. residents by the NSA, like the detention of Hamdi for the duration of the conflict, represents a "fundamental incident of war" and, as such, is also authorized by the AUMF. Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales first laid out this argument in a December 19 press conference:
GONZALES: So, even though the authorization to use force did not mention the word "detention," she [O'Connor] felt that detention of enemy soldiers captured on the battlefield was a fundamental incident of waging war, and therefore, had been authorized by Congress when they used the words, "authorize the president to use all necessary and appropriate force."
For the same reason, we believe signals intelligence is even more a fundamental incident of war, and we believe has been authorized by the Congress. And even though signals intelligence is not mentioned in the authorization to use force, we believe that the court would apply the same reasoning to recognize the authorization by Congress to engage in this kind of electronic surveillance.
The Justice Department subsequently put forward this line of reasoning in two documents outlining the administration's legal rationale for the NSA program: a December 22 letter to select members of Congress and a January 19 "white paper." More recently, Bush referred to Hamdi in his January 23 speech defending the NSA wiretapping program:
BUSH: Recently there was a Supreme Court case called the Hamdi case. It ruled the authorization for the use of military force passed by the Congress in 2001 -- in other words, Congress passed this piece of legislation. And the court ruled, the Supreme Court ruled that it gave the president additional authority to use what it called "the fundamental incidents of waging war" against Al Qaeda.
I'm not a lawyer, but I can tell you what it means. It means Congress gave me the authority to use necessary force to protect the American people, but it didn't prescribe the tactics. It's an -- you've got the power to protect us, but we're not going to tell you how. And one of the ways to protect the American people is to understand the intentions of the enemy.
The Bush administration's characterization of Hamdi has left the false impression that the court simply agreed with the broad powers asserted by the president in the case -- as long as such powers were deemed "necessary and appropriate" to fighting terrorism. But as CRS noted in its January 5 review of the administration's legal rationale for the NSA program, "the Court [in Hamdi] appears to have relied on a more limited interpretation of the scope of the AUMF than that which the Administration had asserted in its briefs."
Indeed, the plurality opinion imposed numerous limitations on the powers originally sought by the Bush administration, as Robert A. Levy, a senior fellow in constitutional studies at the libertarian Cato Institute and a Federalist Society member, noted in a question-and-answer exchange with Federalist Society member David B. Rivkin Jr.:
LEVY: The government insisted that a U.S. citizen could be detained indefinitely, without access to counsel, without a hearing, and without knowing the basis for his detention. The Court plurality agreed that a U.S. citizen can be detained. But only "Taliban combatants;" only with access to counsel; only after "notice of the factual basis for his classification;" only after a hearing; and only if not "indefinite detention for ... interrogation." How much narrower could the holding be?
Moreover, the powers asserted by the president but rejected by the court in Hamdi were likely more relevant to the NSA program than the one authority -- indefinite detainment -- that the court upheld. Particularly relevant is the court's refusal to grant the administration the power to suspend Hamdi's right to due process. The plurality opinion declared that "a state of war is not a blank check for the President when it comes to the rights of the Nation's citizens" and "reject[ed] the Government's assertion that separation of powers principles mandate a heavily circumscribed role for the courts." More specifically, O'Connor wrote:
It is during our most challenging and uncertain moments that our Nation's commitment to due process is most severely tested; and it is in those times that we must preserve our commitment at home to the principles for which we fight abroad.
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With due recognition of these competing concerns, we believe that neither the process proposed by the Government nor the process apparently envisioned by the District Court below strikes the proper constitutional balance when a United States citizen is detained in the United States as an enemy combatant.
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We therefore hold that a citizen-detainee seeking to challenge his classification as an enemy combatant must receive notice of the factual basis for his classification, and a fair opportunity to rebut the Government's factual assertions before a neutral decisionmaker.
By contrast, Bush's domestic surveillance program specifically excludes the role of any court to provide judicial oversight.
Also relevant to the current issue is the plurality's prohibition against "indefinite detention for the purpose of interrogation." In its January 5 report, CRS noted that only Justice Clarence Thomas appeared to believe that the AUMF -- which authorizes the use of "necessary and appropriate force" -- covered intelligence gathering activities in Hamdi:
While the collection of intelligence is also an important facet of fighting a battle, it is not clear that the collection of intelligence constitutes a use of force. ... While five Justices were willing to accept the government's argument that the detention of enemy combatants captured on the battlefield is a vital aspect of war-fighting, Justice Thomas alone indicated his agreement with the government's argument that wartime detention is also necessary for intelligence purposes. Justice O'Connor agreed that the law of war supports detention of enemy combatants to prevent their return to the battlefield, but agreed with the petitioner that "indefinite detention for the purpose of interrogation is not authorized."
As Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe wrote in a January 6 letter to Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), this aspect of the plurality opinion "yields added support" to the case against the Bush administration's use of Hamdi:
Hamdi in fact yields added support for the conclusion that the AUMF cannot provide the requisite authorization. For the Hamdi plurality agreed "that indefinite detention for the purpose of interrogation," even of conceded enemy combatants, "is not authorized" by the AUMF. 124 S.Ct. at 2641 (emphasis added). It follows a fortiori that indefinite subjection of American citizens who are not even alleged to be enemies, much less enemy combatants, to ongoing invasions of their privacy in the United States for purposes of obtaining valuable information is not authorized either.
Furthermore, Tribe and other legal experts have pointed to a crucial difference between the authority upheld by the court in Hamdi and the authority asserted by the administration with regard to the NSA program. They have noted that while no "statutory scheme" exists that specifically addresses the detention of Americans as enemy combatants, Congress has established a complex statute to cover the gathering of foreign intelligence on domestic soil. In a January 3 report requested by Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), former CIA general counsel Jeffrey H. Smith explained how this distinction undermines the administration's reliance on Hamdi:
As discussed below, the courts are disposed to support broad assertions for Presidential authority in areas where Congress has acted.
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In Hamdi, Congress had not established a preexisting statutory scheme governing the detention of enemy combatants. As a result, Congressional intent could be gleaned from the AUMF alone. With respect to the NSA surveillance program, Congress has established a complex statutory scheme, through FISA and its amendments, governing electronic surveillance of U.S. persons for the purposes of gathering foreign intelligence information. There is no indication in the AUMF that Congress intended to authorize the President to ignore an existing statute that established a comprehensive scheme for conducting domestic electronic surveillance.
In a letter published in the Febuary 9 edition of The New York Review of Books, 14 prominent constitutional scholars and former government officials similarly also took issue with Bush's use of Hamdi by noting the specificity of the existing FISA statute:
It is one thing, however, to say that foreign battlefield capture of enemy combatants is an incident of waging war that Congress intended to authorize. It is another matter entirely to treat unchecked warrantless domestic spying as included in that authorization, especially where an existing statute specifies that other laws are the "exclusive means" by which electronic surveillance may be conducted and provides that even a declaration of war authorizes such spying only for a fifteen-day emergency period.
Despite these extensive arguments against the administration's reliance on Hamdi -- and the growing number of legal experts putting them forth -- NBC, MSNBC, the Associated Press, the Los Angeles Times, and The Washington Times simply repeated Bush's claim that the Supreme Court had affirmed his authority to conduct the NSA domestic surveillance program. By contrast, a January 24 San Francisco Chronicle article noted George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley's criticism of Bush's reliance on Hamdi:
Bush said the Supreme Court ruled that Congress gave him wide-ranging powers to wage war on terrorism when it passed a use-of-force resolution against al Qaeda in October 2001.
But critics cite the same Hamdi case as evidence that Bush is breaking the law.
While agreeing that the court ruled the government could detain enemy combatants, George Washington University law Professor Jonathan Turley said the court also "rejected the president's claims of supreme authority and arguments more relevant to the current controversy.''
From a January 23 article by Associated Press staff writer Jennifer Loven:
President Bush pushed back Monday at critics of his once-secret domestic spying effort, saying it should be termed a "terrorist surveillance program" and contending it has the backing of legal experts, key lawmakers and the Supreme Court.
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And he insisted that a recent Supreme Court decision backs his contention that he had the authority to order the program through a resolution Congress passed after the 2001 terrorist attacks that lets him use force in the anti-terror fight.
"I'm not a lawyer, but I can tell you what it means: It means Congress gave me the authority to use necessary force to protect the American people, but it didn't prescribe the tactics," Bush said.
From the January 24 broadcast of NBC's Today:
ANN CURRY (anchor): Today, the Bush administration continues an all-out defense of domestic spying. On Monday, the president claimed warrantless wiretapping has the backing of legal experts, lawmakers, and the Supreme Court. He called it a "terrorist surveillance program." And this morning, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, one of the architects of the domestic spying program, was made available to defend it. He told me the program has made America safer.
From a January 24 article by Washington Times White House correspondent Joseph Curl:
Critics say the NSA program violates both the Constitution and the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which declares itself "the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance ... and the interception of wire and oral communications may be conducted."
Mr. Bush cited as support for his claims a court case, Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, in which an American citizen whom the government has classified as an "enemy combatant" sued Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld.
"The Supreme Court ruled that [the congressional resolution] gave the president additional authority to use what it called 'the fundamental incidents of waging war' against al Qaeda," Mr. Bush said.
From a January 24 article by Los Angeles Times staff writer James Gerstenzang:
In a speech and question-and-answer session, Bush offered his lengthiest public explanation to date of NSA eavesdropping, which the administration has taken to calling the "terrorist surveillance program" since it was revealed in December.
He said a Supreme Court ruling in June 2004 found that a congressional resolution passed shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks gave him the authority to act to protect the country from terrorism.
"It means Congress gave me the authority to use necessary force to protect the American people, but it didn't prescribe the tactics. It said: 'Mr. President, you've got the power to protect us, but we're not going to tell you how.'
From the January 26 edition of MSNBC Live:
PETE WILLIAMS (NBC News justice correspondent): What the president is saying is it doesn't so much -- his argument that FISA is out of date is, not that he can ignore it because it's inconvenient, but because he's got another law to fall back on. And this is the argument they make: that when Congress authorized the use of military force after September 11th, it didn't merely authorize soldiers on the ground and everything that goes with that. That includes, they say, gathering intelligence.
And so they have a legal authority. The FISA law says you have to use just the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act methods, and that means getting a court order, unless another statute explicitly authorizes some other way. And what the administration has said is: "We have it." Congress passed the authorization for military force -- that's the "some other way." Now, [MSNBC host] Chris [Matthews], they use an analogy here, one that's untested, in a way, in court. But, they say when Congress authorized the use of military force, it also authorized the administration to detain enemy combatants, to take them back from the battlefield, and hold them without lawyers. And the Supreme Court said -- well, in terms of holding them, yes, that's what the authorization of military force gave them. It gave them the techniques incident to war. And the president says gathering intelligence is just like that.















After Alito is confirmed, the policy will most likely be supported by the Supreme Court.
and that is exactly what Dems, and anyone who truly cares about Civil Liberties, need to stand tall and strong in opposing Alito.
This is a critical issue, but Administration is clearly twisting the facts of the Hamdi decision. I've tried to call several progressive radio shows, Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, and hammer this point home - but it needs to be condensed into a soundbyte.
Basically Hamdi found that the President did not have the power to bypass the courts... a that is the key link to the NSA program, judicial oversight. Yes, they can - and sometimes should - wiretap Americans - but they need probable cause. That's all.
This issue looks even worse for the President's position when you look at the second Supreme Court case they site in defense of the SAR (Special Acces Required) NSA program. In 1952 President Truman attempted to avert a steel strike by seizing Federal control of the mills, but the Supreme Court strike down the seizure in Youngstown v Sawyer, finding that the President Article II Commander in Chief powers did not obviate Fourth Amendment protections against "unreasonable search and seizure".
So far, that's O-fer Two for Bushco.
Vyan
Since Hamdi upheld Bush's right to hold an enemy combatant it would likely uphold Bush's right to conduct foreign surveillence. However, if Bush arrested an american citizen and threw them in prison, that person would have the right to representation and to challenge his status in court. So as MMFA likes to say you have made a dubious comparison.
It historically has been the president's inherent power to listen to enemy communications, so I see zero basis to compare it to Truman taking over steel mills.
"It historically has been the president's inherent power to listen to enemy communications..."
OF COURSE IT IS! That's NOT the issue!
"Historically," - and CONSTITUTIONALLY - you have a right to not have "unreasoable searches and seizures" conducted upon you by the government.
EVERYBODY wants the president to listen to enemy signals, but we DON"T want that power abused. And we want that power used EFEFCTIVELY. That's why we have checks and balances. That's why the FISA court was created.
OF COURSE Hamdi upholds Bush's right to monitor US citizens if there is a reasonable suspicion that they are collaborating with an enemy. All he has to do is FOLLOW THE LAW. Why is this so hard to understand?
You ADMIT that a US citizen who is deemed an enemy combatant has rights: specifically to due process. Why is it any different when it comes to the FISA court?
No one - NO ONE - is saying the president can't spy on suspicious Americans. We WANT him to do this. But he's got to follow the law: a law that everyone admits is very generous in allowing wiretapping of Americans.
What scares me so much about this is that Bush is, once again, showing complete incompetence, and trying to cover it up by breaking the law. And his apologists let him! Why aren't they asking what he has gained by breaking the law?
He claimed he "doesn't think about Bin Laden much." WHAT?!?! Is he crazy?! He should be think about Al Queda day and night! He should be following every good lead! Instead, according to what we know, the FBI has been wasting time tracking down leads from these unlawful wiretaps that turn out to be dead ends.
I've made this argument before here: if, at the very least, Bush had PRODUCED something from these wiretaps, he could at least make a case that they were necessary. But he's got NOTHING!
OBL mocks us on audio tapes from Pakistan. Al Queda continues to recruit around the Muslim world. Bombs are detonated in Europe, the NYC subways are threatened, and the best they can point to are arrests of chowderheads who thought they could take apart the Brooklyn Bridge with blowtorches.
Bush claims he can't tell us why the FISA court was bypassed - it will let the enemy in on his plans. WHAT PLANS? Are you kidding me? IS THIS HIS IDEA OF FIGHTING A COMPETENT WAR ON TERROR?!?!
This ain't a game, folks. Bin Laden's last tape was clear: they are planning another attack. The right-wing shills thought the story of those tapes was how OBL now sounds like Michael Moore. That kind of stupidity is going to get Americans killed.
The story of those tapes is that they are coming, and we are not ready. The Katrina non-response proved it; the FISA story proves it; the failures in Iraq prove it; the Iranian nuclear threats prove it (doesn't it bother you wingnuts that Iran is going to have the bomb on Bush's watch? Don't you think he should be held accountable for this?).
This administration is over their heads, and our press corps refuses to hold them to account. I pray we are spared from the consequences of this incompetence - from both the Bushies and the press - but I fear the worst.
Yes, Hamdi affirmed the President ability to hold an American Citizen as an Enemy Combatant - but not without Judicial Review.
It is specious to then argue that the President can on the basis of Hamdi, conduct Semi-Domestic Surveilance without a warrant from the FISA court.
Vyan
Ruled that Hamdi could be held for information gathering purposes is he wa CAPTURED IN AFGHANISTAN. They did NOT say Padilla could be held for information gathering purposes and the administration tried to cut a deal with Padilla so it wouldnt reach the SC not really thinking they could prevail on that one.
It is entirely reasonable to assume that a commander would gather as much intelligence as possible concerning enemy activities or intentions. That includes correspondence in/out of the US...regardless of citizenship.
Civil liberties have not been destroyed. Americans are still protected from warrantless searches in domestic civil and criminal matters. This is not about Mason/Drake trying to outwit Burger/Tragg in a court of law...this is about tactics of war. Courts do not prosecute war...commanders and leaders prosecute the war.
but unfortunately that view has already been shown to be incoorect. In Hamdi Justice O'Connor stated:
In Youngstown, the Supreme Court overruled the action of President Truman in seizing control of American Steel Mills to prevent a strike during the Korean War.
Simply put, Article II does not trump the Fourth Amendment.
Vyan
Bush won't have to worry about O'Connor getting in his way anymore though. I wonder if Alito will feel a similar obligation to defend the rights of US citizens. Yeah, I'm sure he'll be a great champion.
ruled that taking over a private steel mill in a time of war was unconstitutional and limited the powers of the commander in chief.
Although that most definitely is a limitation, I fail to see where that carries over to limit Bush from doing what has historically always been the president's power to do: monitor enemy communications.
Any arrests made would go through the court process using the laws of the land. Even if he arrested someone under enemy combatant rules they would still get their day in court. So I don't see where the judicial and legislative branches are left out of the process.
Of course it will all boil down to whether FISA can trump a president's inherent authority under the constitution. I see little to no chance that the judicial branch will itself in charge of who the president decides is the enemy. That is not their job.
"I fail to see where that carries over to limit Bush from doing what has historically always been the president's power to do: monitor enemy communications."
An unsurprising failure. The issue is that Congress passed a law that prevented Truman from doing so, just as FISA is a law preventing warrantless wiretaps. The SCOTUS ruled that Truman could not overrule Congressional law. Why was it not considered "inherent power" for Truman to do what he wanted to do at the time? Was it not on the "list"?
Are you arguing that FISA is unconstitutional now?
There is NO mention of inherent authority in Article two. You repeat this like a broken record of a propaganda parrot. What article two says DIRECTLY is that the president MUST FOLLOW THE LAW. There is NO mention of inherent authority. The President is NOT commander in chief of the country he is commander in chief of the armed forces. That is just to put the military under civilian control. IF Bush can just claim inherent authority to do whatever he wants he can claim it for ANYTHING. Inherent authority doesnt exist. Cough up some reference in article two that can even remotely be construed as giving the President inherent authority to ignore the law. It amazes me that the same conservatives that scream about the SC making law and not following what the constitution says now want to give the President some power to make or ignore law as he sees fit. This would make him a dictator. It is without merit.
Never dip into your own stash. see Wesley.
Nice research but the case you cite concerns a labor dispute and the seizure of private property by the commander-in-chief...not gathering of wartime intelligence.
Your reach is way too broad.
So you are saying we essentially have all of our civil liberties except for our 4th ammendment right to be secure in our electronic communication outside the country? One down...9 to go.
I would say you might lose one or two civil liberties.
Why should we believe that this program is actually for listening to Al Queda?
You have bought into a false choice, and you have been guided to that false choice by "journalists" like Pete Williams.
No American citizen need give up his or her rights while we wage a succesful war against Al Queda.
The FISA court would approve wiretapping of a US citizen on the basis of ANY reasonable lead in pursuit of Al Queda.
It is becoming clear that Bush administration has FAILED to find any good leads, because they are incompetent. So they are trying a Hail Mary pass: throw a wide net and hope we get lucky. The FBI is now wasting time on dead ends while OBL goes free.
Williams and his cohort swallow the administration's line whole, which leads to reporting that influences people like you - who I have no doubt are patriotic and intelligent - into believing that the only way to stop Al Queda is to suspend the Constitution.
You're wrong - the only way to stop Al Queda is to put an effective and competent administration into the White House. I only hope we keep getting lucky until 2009.
The government would have probable cause AND up to 72 hours after the fact to seek a warrant. The 4th ammendment would not be an issue. But that is not what is happening. Why?
Youngstown concerns the powers of the president during wartime and is an appropriate reference in this context. To say that Youngstown "concerns a labor dispute and the seizure of private property by the commander-in-chief" is like saying Marbury v. Madison "concerns the delivery of a commission to be a justice of the peace." Youngstown, along with Hamdi, is the Supreme Court decision with the most relevance to the presidential authority issue in general and the domestic spying issue in particular. That's why O'Connor cited it in Hamdi.
...then why do we even need the Patriot Act? I mean, why even go through the exercise of acting sympathetic to civil rights concerns?
The President has declared and (some) conservatives here and elsewhere defend the President's illegal spying program as "legal" based upon the "inherent" authority of the President.
What, exactly, is there to protect us from an overreaching, intrusive government during a war "on terror" which has no conceivable end in sight?
Damn that Al Quaeda for changing our way of life like this. Oh, right, this is of our own doing out of paranoia and weakness.
the Patriot Act deals primarily with laws on domestic surveillance which the president needs warrants for. The Patriot Act expanded domestic surveillance and reduced domestic civil liberties in exchange for catching the evil doers.
The President's "defense" is that he has the inherent authority to act outside/above the law in the interest of "national security" during a "time of war".
The logic he uses suggests that the FISA law was written in a different time for a different type of enemy. Instead of trying to change the legal framework and boundaries of the law (as Clinton did), he decided to grant the NSA the authority to ignore it.
What is to prevent him from doing the same thing with the Patriot Act or any of our other laws?
A public debate? The Republican controlled Congress refuses to perform any oversight on this (to date). Instead they are trying to push through a justice sympathetic to expanded Presidential powers to the Supreme Court. And threatening to "clean the clocks" of those Democrats who oppose it.
Meanwhile, "conservative" pundits and politicians continue to smear good and patriotic Americans who value liberty and the very principles of our democracy. My jaw drops whenever I hear an ignorant Bush loyalist (Rep. Cornyn, R-TX) suggest "you have no civil liberties when your dead". What a contrast to "Give me liberty or give me death" proclaimed by our founding fathers.
The Patriot Act is as meaningless to the President as the FISA law is, particularly when were engaged in perpetual war against a noun in a "different time" instead of a traditional enemy nation.
Probable Cause and a Warrant is still required.
In the NSA case, Bush has clearly circumvented the Patriot Act as well as FISA - and grounded on a complete misreading of both Hamdi and Youngstown, which both clearly indicate that a President Wartime Powers do not obviate the Bill of Rights.
Vyan.
Congress cannot simply pass a law that pre-empts the constitution protections in the BILL OF RIGHTS. The Patriot Act DOES NOT supercede the fourth ammendment.
how do they know that the call you are getting is from al-qaeda? how do they know who you are talking to, unless they are listening first?
is there some 'evildoers' phone directory that has been published?
another question- is the nsa, as well as the other governmental organisations, so inept as to believe that al-qaeda and the other 'evildoers' imagine that their communications are not subject to interception? does something like 'evildoer headquarters' show up on the caller i.d.?
lastly, this appellation of 'evildoers' is pretty moronic.
according to most religious traditions, we are all, by nature, 'evildoers'. somehow implicit in this characterisation is that the innocent people they kill in the name of their beliefs is evil, and the innocent people we kill in the name of our beliefs, is not.
and speaking of moronic characterisations, i keep hearing the characterisation of 'america haters' being applied to anyone that accepts the idea that the rage directed at us from many of these terrorist groups, is a direct backlash against policies our gov't and corporations have pursued in these countries.
it's as ridiculous as the notion that the gov't can circumvent the 4th amendment just because we are at war.
tell me, when did congress declare war? the AUMF is not a declaration of war. it is a limited authorisation passed in order to invade iraq.
the people who defend the nsa program are using the worst arguments to defend their boy in the white house. they are putting their loyalty to the leader ahead of their loyalty to their country and their fellow americans.
the conservatives continue to look more and more like members of a cult of personality, much like the n. koreans. continue to stick by your 'great father' bush, regardless of the principles of our democracy. we know where that road goes.
where we stand in terms of technology. If this time of all encompassing net was thrown out even as early as the 80's the ability to cover such a large number of calls would have been impossible in terms of manpower. Making this kind of issue almost moot. But as we are just entering the era when this is possible and it appears that technology is already endangering civil liberties, we can only believe that technology will only allow government to further abuse its power and enfringe on basic rights.
The only way to protect the US public which would be to pass a Constitutional amendment outlawing electronic surveillance without a warant period. The problem of course being that FISA, which I believe would have been viewed by the founding fathers and should be by "orginalists" -- HA, I laugh everythime I say that word -- as a nightmare come true, would be illegal because you simply could not allow any exception. And at times that could prove very determinal to national security. What will we see as a result of Bush's wanton abuse of authority is the erosion of civil liberty or the backlash at an event yet unnamed that will hamper the gov't's ability to protect US interest as it will demand the dismantling at such projects and probably include other intellgence efforts that will be caught in the wake. Proving the truth of the matter any gov't interested in protect its citzens should be able to do so within the bounds of the law.
- If you made a phone call today or sent an e-mail to a friend, there’s a good chance what you said or wrote was captured and screened by the country’s largest intelligence agency. - CBS
- Echelon's mission is to eavesdrop on enemies of the state: foreign countries, terrorist groups and drug cartels. But in the process, Echelon’s computers capture virtually every electronic conversation around the world. - CBS
- Few dispute the necessity of a system like Echelon to apprehend foreign spies, drug traffickers and terrorists…all Agency activities are conducted in accordance with the highest constitutional, legal and ethical standards. - NYTimes
Echelon monitored practically every conversation – no matter how seemingly innocent – during the Clinton years. - CBS
The bush (lowercase intentional) administration is claiming that the Hamdi decision gives it the power to trash the bill of rights. I believe this is a prime example of the so- called "judicial activism" bemoaned by the conservatives whenever they are trying to ram through another wingnut to the federal bench.
In order to do his illegal wiretapping. The one for which one of the articles of impeachment was written. Congress specifically wanted to balance REAL National Security against an executive branch that could just use a National Security excuse to do whatever he wanted. Bush is now saying he has inherent powers to do just what c0ngress wrote FISA to restrict. His ability to USE National Security as an EXCUSE to wiretap whomever he wants to, even if he DIDNT do that it is still the REASON for FISA, and with this non existant inherent power NOTHING could stop a President from doing exactly what congress wrote FISA to stop from happening. Bush is flouting the law with this claim. He should be impeached for doing so
Seems like we'll need a judges decision on this one. But won't we need an investigation first?
The President does have the Constitutional power to protect the American people from attack on our own soil. The 9-11 Commission has stated, "The FISA application process continues to be long and slow. Requests for appproval are overwhelming the ability of the system to process them and to conduct a surveillence." The Presidential power and duty to protect the country did not begin or end with the FISA law. As Byron York stated on, "Meet the Press," today, referring to a 2002 case by the FISA court of review. "It referred to an earlier case of Trong, and it said, 'that court, as did all other courts to decide the issue, held that the president does have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence . We take it for granted that the president does have that authority.' ''