Bennett on cartoon riots: "Islam is as Islam does"
SUMMARY: On CNN's The Situation Room, Bill Bennett claimed that "people" who got "a good, close look" at Muslims rioting over perceived anti-Islamic cartoons would say that "these people ["Islamists"] are unhinged."
During the February 9 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, CNN contributor Bill Bennett claimed that "people" who got "a good, close look" at Muslims rioting over perceived anti-Islamic cartoons would say that "these people are unhinged."
Bennett then changed course to discuss a young Iranian woman sentenced to death for stabbing a man while defending herself during an attempted rape. Bennett claimed the incident "is a peek into the soul of that faith [Islam] when it's run through a government." James Zogby, founder and president of the Arab American Institute, challenged Bennett's blanket characterizations of Islam and contended that "it's not a peek into Islam. It's a peek into the outrages that take place in contemporary Iran, which is not synonymous with Islam." Zogby maintained, for example, that "[t]he policy of Catholics during the Inquisition is not synonymous with my church." Bennett initially conceded, "Fair enough," but then reiterated, "Catholicism is as Catholicism does; Judaism is as Judaism does; and, by God, Islam is as Islam does. And what it's doing right now, I wouldn't want to be associated with." Zogby responded: "Hundreds of millions of believing Muslims do not ... practice these things." Bennett then thrice asked: "Where are they?"
As Media Matters for America has noted, numerous religious leaders and government officials who represent the world's more than one billion Muslims, as well as many Islamic organizations, have condemned the widespread rioting that has followed publication of the cartoons.
Before being hired by CNN, Bennett came under fire in September for the following remarks, which he made during his radio show:
[I]f you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.
From the February 9 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, which featured anchor Wolf Blitzer:
BENNETT: Now, the Islamists have won, in that they have intimidated the major news media from showing these cartoons.
They have lost, however, in the wider world, because people see that this is just totally nutty behavior, that these cartoons are shown and people, as a result, want to kill people, behead people, burn buildings down. And, whatever the argument with the Danes, what is the point of burning the Jewish flag? What is the point of burning the U.S. flag and saying, "death to Israel and death to the United States?"
People get a good, close look at this and say, you know, these people are unhinged.
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BENNETT: I mean, is there --
ZOGBY: No --
BENNETT: -- excuse me. Is there no argument that radical Islam is connection -- connected to violence? Is there no suggestion that, in the name of Islam, in the name of the Quran, in the name of Allah, people are having their heads cut off? These things hit their target.
ZOGBY: This was not about radical Islam --
BENNETT: This is --
ZOGBY: -- this was about the Prophet Muhammad. Let's be fair here.
BENNETT: Well, the Prophet Muhammad is tied into Islam.
[...]
BENNETT: Let's go beyond cartoons. The other story out of Iran is the story of the two young girls who were raped. A girl defended herself and stabbed her attacker. She is now sentenced to be hanged, under Islamic law. This isn't a caricature. This isn't a cartoon. This is a peek into the soul of that faith when it's run through a government.
BLITZER: I'm not familiar with that story. But go ahead.
BENNETT: It's a real story. And it deserves --
ZOGBY: And, frankly --
BENNETT: -- it deserves to be criticized.
ZOGBY: -- I'm familiar with Islam, and it's not a peek into Islam. It's a peek into the outrages that take place in contemporary Iran, which is not synonymous with Islam. And we cannot do that.
BENNETT: Oh, it's run by Islamic -- Islamic people --
ZOGBY: The policy of Israel in the West Bank is not --
BENNETT: -- theology. It is Islamic theology that runs it.
ZOGBY: -- synonymous with Judaism. The policy of Catholics during the Inquisition is not synonymous with my church --
BENNETT: Fair enough. That's --
ZOGBY: -- nor is the policy of the Islamic extremists synonymous with the Prophet Muhammad. Let's be fair and use one standard. I agree we have a double standard.
BENNETT: Here's the standard.
ZOGBY: Frankly, I think that the way this story is cast is the wrong double standard.
BENNETT: Here's the standard: Catholicism is as Catholicism does; Judaism is as Judaism does; and, by God, Islam is as Islam does. And what it's doing right now, I wouldn't want to be associated with.
ZOGBY: Well, as President Bush has said, correctly, hundreds of millions of believing Muslims do not -- do not -- practice these things, did not burn embassies.
BENNETT: Where are they? Where are they?
ZOGBY: Do not behead people.
BENNETT: Where are they?
ZOGBY: They, frankly, are insulted at the outrage committed against their prophet, number one. And, number two, they're watching this situation unfold with great fear, because their agenda is not the same as the agenda of those who are extreme in their own midst.
BENNETT: I wish they would speak out. I wish they would speak out and take to the streets, like these people do, when we see the beheading and beating of people.















Quoting Bible Bill: "Oh, it's run by Islamic -- Islamic people --"
Hey Billy, take a look around - see what this Christian-run country has done for peace in the world over the last few years.
If Jesus came back today and saw what's being done in his name, he'd never stop throwing up.
Aren't they in Iraq, yearning for us to make them free?
The hard-core christians, like Bennett, seem to be taking a secular route in their view of this whole thing- Muslims shouldn't freak out over the cartoons, even though it disrespects their religion. I guess it is okay to go off the deep end when YOUR religion is attacked, i.e. Piss Christ.
Though, it is important to note that one can "freak out" without violence. So, damn... the rioting Islamists are wrong.
Question: Have any Christians rioted due to sacriligous depictions of their faith?
ANY depictions or images are verboten in Islam, no images of Mohamed are allowe period, they take the graven images thing very seriously. Depictions of Christ are everywhere. So its not just blasphemous depictions but ANY images much less derogatory ones. Having said that they should get over themselves. Freedom of expression is as important as freedom of religion. I am with Jeffereson I pledge eternal hostility against any tyranny over the human mind.
in a good way. I guess the way they used to do it in the past was to veil his face or make him non-descript. Though, I guess that some hardliners took offence even back then. Check out this website, [link to www.zombietime.com] to see old pics of the prophet. In some cases his face is left blank, in others clearly defined features.
So, to say that all depictions of the prophet are outrageous to muslims seems a bit off. They were probably more pissed off over the whole bomb-knife-terrorist thing than anything else.
I thought freedom was on the march. The constant refrain from the right now is that "Muslims hate freedom of speech and democracy" So I guess they'll advocate bringing the troops home now since the troops were there to bring democracy to the people of the region, but now that they have decided that Muslims abhor democracy than the troops will be home real soon right?
Stop! You're making too much sense! >:]
Oh Yeah, they're flip floppers.
MMFA reported that Fred Barnes said something very similar the other day. He said Muslims have a "contempt for democracy". Now Bennet, Coulter have joined the chorus and I imagine Rush and Hannity soon join the fray (if they haven't already).
So all that noble talk of democratizing the middle east is now a lost cause. It sounds like these folks are thinking about "cutting and running".
Methinks the Repugs will start calling for an immediate withdrawal sometime before the 2006 elections. I sure hope Murtha is there to call them all a bunch of freakin' cowards.
bennet has never read the qu'ran.
bennet has not accounted for the other 1-1/4 BILLION muslims, that are too quiet to make the nightly scare reports.
if these rioters represent all muslims, then it's fair to say the christian abortion clinic bombers, e.g. eric rudolph, and pat robertson, represent his, and pres. bush's beliefs. christian is, as christian does...
btw- somewhere i read someone claiming that (maybe it was on the coulter car-burning cult thread) that this idea of no representations of mohammed are to be made, was a really recent development in islam.
it's not. look at all islamic art from waaaaaay back. it is part of the reason there are all those very intricate patterns in all islamic art.
another small point. it was the followers of mohammed that saved the texts in the library at alexandria (texts banned by the church, and later part of the foundation of the rennaissance). they had almost 100% literacy, they built universities in spain, while the rest of europe was illiterate, at war amongst themselves, and torturing and killing 'heretics', or anybody that didn't pledge total and unquestioning loyalty to the pope.
the current faces of islamic extremism are a result of the effects of bad governments propped up by the imperialism by the west in the last four centuries. this, and the natural mutation of any religion by self-serving political interests, hijacking a society by appealing to, and perverting, deeply held belief systems.
hijacking a society by appealing to, and perverting, deeply held belief systems.
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Bill,
Mama always said life is like a box of chocolates.
And conservatism is as conservatives does (and speaks).
And, if we aborted all the Republican babies, our crime rate would down...
CNN is promoting racism by "paying" contributer Bill Bennett to make these comments on its show. If CNN was just interviewing an independent person, e.g., off the street, I would accept these comments as reporting public opinion, but when CNN "pays" the commentator to make the comments (perhaps their livelihood depends on being outrageous), CNN is complicit in the promotion of racisim, especially if the commentator has a history of racist comments.
As someone who is not a member of any organized religion, I don't see anything empirically wrong with Bennett's statement that "Islam is as Islam does." Even Forrest Gump got it right: We are defined by what we do, not what we believe.
I could say the same thing about Christianity: Christianity is as Christianity does. During the Middle ages, and at other times in history, Christian institutions were responsible for, complicit in, or silent about horrific things visited upon human beings by other human beings.
Christians don't like to admit it, but their religion has never even come close to the teachings of its prophet. Sure, many good things have been done in his name, but that is little solace to the millions who suffered in his name.
Islam is no different. Hell, any organized religion is no different. The minute you surrender (the meaning of "Islam") your individual beliefs to an institution, you become a valid target of any generalizations about that institution.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say, "I believe in what this institution does, but I should be offended by and immune from any criticism directed toward it."
I whole-heartedly agree with you. It's time to start calling out bad beliefs, no matter where they exist or for how long they have existed. Religion can no longer be given a free pass in such a way. The process of unthinking known as "Faith" must be challenged when the fruits of its beleaguered labour are thrust forcibly upon us.
I may not like Bennett in the least, but I think anyone who writes off the troubles of Islam in the name of tolerance can be just as dangerous as he is.
Couldn't restrain myself from wasting a minute keyboarding a complaint to CNN's Blitzer about this one: "You must have felt CNN suffered a financial loss in not having Bill Bennett quarrelling with leftists on the defunct Crossfire, since you are now giving him a forum for his biggoted ethnic (first blacks, now Muslims) commentary on what usedc to be a news show. In its efforts to compete financially with Fox, CNN has abandoned any pretense of being a news network."
Gee whiz, I don't know why moderate Muslims don't immediately rush to do Bennett's bidding, when he asks so nicely.