Wash. Post editorial drew false comparison between generals' Rumsfeld criticisms, troops' hatred of Clinton's position on gays in military
SUMMARY: A Washington Post editorial drew a false comparison between the recent calls by several retired generals for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to resign and the "pushback of uniformed military against President Bill Clinton's attempt to allow gays to serve." The generals who have publicly called for Rumsfeld's resignation are retired; conversely, a March 13, 1993, Post article described active-duty troops' hatred for Clinton's intention to lift the ban on gays in the military.
In an April 18 editorial, The Washington Post drew a false comparison between the recent calls by several retired generals for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to resign and the "pushback of uniformed military against President Bill Clinton's attempt to allow gays to serve." The current controversy differs in at least one crucial respect from the military's criticism of Clinton and his proposal on gays in the military: All of the generals who have publicly called for Rumsfeld's resignation are retired; conversely, a March 13, 1993, Post article described active-duty -- not retired -- troops' overt hatred for Clinton's intention to lift the ban on gays in the military.
On April 18, the Post's editorial board wrote that the generals' "analysis strikes us as solid"; but the Post called the "rebellion" "problematic" because "[i]t threatens the essential democratic principle of military subordination to civilian control -- the more so because a couple of the officers claim they are speaking for some still on active duty." The Post continued, "Anyone who protested the pushback of uniformed military against President Bill Clinton's attempt to allow gays to serve ought to also object to generals who criticize the decisions of a president and his defense secretary in wartime."
However, unlike with the current controversy, many of Clinton's public critics were, as the Post noted, "uniformed military." The Post's 1993 editorial described the situation then as an "open conflict between the military and the president."
A March 13, 1993, Post article described troops' hatred for Clinton's intention to lift the ban on gays in the military:
In the military world, perhaps even more than in the civilian one, a president is the most distinguished of all possible Distinguished Visitors, and the 6,000 sailors and Marines were never less than polite. Many said they were glad to see President Clinton aboard.
But there were Hillary jokes and Chelsea jokes. There was the one about the protester who threw a beer at the president. (Not to worry: It was a draft beer. Clinton dodged it.)
While preparing a weapons display for Clinton's visit, one Marine sniper donned a shredded burlap wig and began mincing around the deck. Another sniper wrapped him in an embrace. What with Clinton's visit, they said mockingly, they were thinking of declaring their love.
It has been a long time since a president had so rocky a start with his armed services. The troops hated Jimmy Carter's amnesty for Vietnam draft evaders, but not the way they hate Clinton's intention to lift the ban on homosexuals in the military. Carter at least had served in uniform.
"Maybe we can call this his military service," said Cmdr. Bill Gortney, executive officer of one of the Roosevelt's strike fighter squadrons, alluding icily to Clinton's brief visit here. "Three hours is more than he had before."
Another March 13, 1993, Post article reported Marine Lance Cpl. Ryan Vaught's comments:
The trip supplied television footage of Clinton in a green flight jacket watching fighter jets catapult off the carrier, of Clinton saluting a guided missile destroyer as it sailed by, of Clinton in a USS Theodore Roosevelt cap addressing the crew on the hangar deck. It also gave the White House a chance to blunt persistent and repeatedly denied rumors about the allegedly anti-military feelings of Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton.
But one part of Clinton's tour -- viewing the triple-decker berths in the crew's sleeping quarters -- was shielded from reporters' view. "Hope he learns something from it," said Marine Lance Cpl. Ryan Vaught. "It wouldn't be good, not out here," he said of Clinton's plan to lift the ban on homosexuals in the military.
Vaught, describing the "sacrifice" he was about to make in spending the next six months at sea, was sarcastic when he talked about Clinton. "It's a sacrifice he's never made before to his country," he said. But, camera in hand, he also expressed some admiration for Clinton's willingness to brave such reaction. "I didn't personally think he would ever do something like this," he said.
In addition, on June 8, 1993, the Post reported that Maj. Gen. Harold N. Campbell was being "investigated on charges that he ridiculed President Clinton as a 'gay-loving,' 'pot-smoking,' 'draft-dodging' and 'womanizing' commander in chief at a [May 24, 1993] banquet for U.S. Air Force personnel in the Netherlands." According to a July 8, 1993, Associated Press article, Campbell "retired after he was reprimanded and fined about $7,000 ... for his comments about Clinton." The Air Force investigation's report, according to the AP, also concluded that Campbell had "planned the remarks."
By contrast, while -- as the April 18 Post editorial noted -- some of the generals have said they are also speaking for people on active duty, all of them who have gone on the public record calling for Rumsfeld's resignation were themselves already retired:
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GENERAL (Retirement Date) |
DATE OF PUBLIC CALL FOR RUMSFELD'S RESIGNATION |
SOURCE |
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Gen. Anthony Zinni (2000) |
4/2/06 | |
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Maj. Gen. Paul D. Eaton (1/1/06) |
3/19/06 | |
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Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack Jr. (2004) |
4/13/06 | |
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Maj. Gen. John Batiste (2005) |
4/12/06 | |
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Maj. Gen. John Riggs (2004) |
4/13/06 | |
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Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold (2002) |
4/9/06 |
Time (4/17) |
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Lt. Gen. Paul K. Van Riper (by 2003) |
4/15/06 | |
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Gen. Wesley Clark (by 2003) |
2004 |
From the April 18 Washington Post editorial titled "The Generals' Revolt":
The president's signal failure to hold his defense chief accountable no doubt has helped to produce the extraordinary -- and troubling -- eruption of public discontent from the retired generals. A couple of those who have spoken out, including retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former head of U.S. Central Command, opposed the war all along, but three others served in top positions in Iraq. Much of their analysis strikes us as solid -- but the rebellion is problematic nonetheless. It threatens the essential democratic principle of military subordination to civilian control -- the more so because a couple of the officers claim they are speaking for some still on active duty. Anyone who protested the pushback of uniformed military against President Bill Clinton's attempt to allow gays to serve ought to also object to generals who criticize the decisions of a president and his defense secretary in wartime. If they are successful in forcing Mr. Rumsfeld's resignation, they will set an ugly precedent. Will future defense secretaries have to worry about potential rebellions by their brass, and will they start to choose commanders according to calculations of political loyalty?
In our view Mr. Rumsfeld's failures should have led to his departure long ago. But he should not be driven out by a revolt of generals, retired or not.
From the April 4, 1993, Washington Post editorial titled "The Commander in Chief":
AMONG the American military's many honorable traditions, the finest is its devotion to democratic civilian control. Despite the many reports of tension between President Clinton and the armed forces, we do not believe that principle is in any danger. But things are not as they should be between the military and the president.
This is not an easy time to be in any branch of the services. The world is changing, and the American military is being asked to make more adjustments than most institutions. Its budget is being slashed, career patterns are being disrupted, the United States' mission in a post-Cold War world is under sharp and necessary debate.
These changes would have challenged the military under any president. But there is no doubt that some in the military harbor less than friendly personal feelings toward their new commander in chief. Many in the ranks resent the fact that Mr. Clinton avoided military service during the Vietnam War. They are troubled by Mr. Clinton's famous declaration in his letter to an ROTC commander that he had some sympathy for those who found themselves "loving their country but loathing the military."
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It is equally wrong to say that previous military service is a requirement of those who would be commander in chief. Neither Woodrow Wilson nor Franklin Roosevelt, each of whom led the country in a world war, ever wore their country's uniform. The selection of commander in chief is rightly a matter for the voters, not the military, to decide.
Many of today's worries about the military's attitude toward the president arose from a visit Mr. Clinton made to the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt. Enlisted men and women on that ship were remarkably open and candid in mocking Mr. Clinton and his lack of military experience.
In one sense, Americans ought to celebrate the fact that the men and women in uniform enjoy free speech rights and use them, as Maj. David S. Jonas and Capt. Hagen W. Frank rightly argue on the opposite page. They are also right in asserting that leaders of the military not only can but should give the president advice contrary to his own views if they believe the commander in chief is wrong. Mr. Clinton is not the first president to have disagreements with his generals and admirals.
But the issue here is neither about free speech nor about asking the military leadership to behave like automatons. It is about the respect that the American military owes its elected civilian leader and the recognition that questions such as the status of gays in the military are matters to be debated and resolved through the instruments of democracy. The military does not decide when we go to war, nor did it have the right to block the racial integration of the armed forces after World War II, which is what many in the military wanted to do.
If military leaders oppose Mr. Clinton's position on gays, they have a right to say so. What they cannot do is act publicly in ways that even appear to deny the president's legitimate authority or suggest that decisions such as this one should be reserved to the military. This sends the wrong message, especially to the rank and file who may one day be asked by their commander in chief to risk their lives.
Gen. Colin Powell, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, seems to understand that the open conflict between the military and the president at the beginning of Mr. Clinton's term served neither the interest of national security nor that of democracy. He and others at the top of the armed forces have been sending signals recently of their respect for Mr. Clinton. We think that the highest service Gen. Powell could do his country now is to speak out clearly and openly about the military's duty to serve and respect civilian leadership. Gen. Powell has been placed at the helm during a difficult transition period. His task is to lead his troops through it.

















Speaking out against gays in the military is bigotry. Calling for Rumsfeld's resignation is sanity.
Can you add the number of stars that are demanding Rummy resign? I come up with 22, based on a General being a four-star general, a Lt. General being a three star general, and a Major General being a two star general. Quite a galaxy!
at the point of ranting and raving.......taking up arms in revolution against the Bush regime......and going bonkers at the sad state of affairs not just here in America....but the whole planet!!
Instead, I find myself calm and collected (tired too, from working all day.... but I digress...)
What an insane country we now live in.......
Back in 1996 the worst we got from the president was his inability to keep his pants on and a few minor lies (that no one died over!!)
Now, we have one that tells so many lies (and how many dead to this point: 3000 troops and at least 25,000 Iraqi civilians)(and yet surrounds himself with the same types).......that he would likely believe and/or do the opposite of what any powerful progressive liberal would tell him that it's almost tempting to have said progressive liberal tell him that breathing is good for you......(just to see)
Nevermind that......I forgot.....we'd be stuck with Cheney!
But what a time we are having here today with so many generals (7 last I heard) speaking out against Rummy and miracles being what they are......poof......6 generals come out of the wood work and defend Rummy.....(wonder how much they got paid under the table?)
Isn't it grand that in this country where our (majority) of voices are supposed to be heard and yet we are beaten down with "You only aid in helping the terrorists win by bad mouthing those of us in charge"
In my opinion......I'll take that chance....thank you very much!!
Besides......at this point.....would it really matter if Rummy were let go? I doubt it! Simply because Dick and Karl and George would still be there....
The Bush regime is about three things........MONEY! POWER! and PROFITS! (for their oil and energy buddies! And oh yes, almost forgot, the top 3% of this country)
Since day one (Jan 21, 2001) I have known this to be the case......One only has to remember Florida (lack of) recounting of OUR VOTES!
I've more to say......but I feel a tear forming in my eye as I write this stuff (THE TRUTH!!)
Long live the $4.00 gallon of gasoline!! :(-
General Clark retired in the year 2000. I believe it was May of 2000.
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..to make sure no dissenters were present! I mean, that's what a real man does! Right? (No pun intended!)
Naturally of course, I was alluding to the the criticism President Bill Clinton received from the military during his visit. Where was this whole "The president is above criticism from the military" nonsense back then? Oh, those wacky conservatives!
Can you imagine the outrage if any military personnel had made disparaging comments about Bush's military service during his "Mission Accomplished" media event? Not only that, can you imagine the criticism the newspapers would have had for having the audacity to print negative comments that were made about the president?! This whole "liberal media" argument the right throws out there is so ridiculous! Compare and contrast, folks. The criticism Bush is facing is nothing compared to what Clinton went through. NOTHING!
I am often reminded of a conversation I had a on a messageboard. Not a political messageboard; you could discuss anything. Many of the Bush supporters actually considered him a "moderate"!! Needless to say.. if people actually think that.. we're in big trouble! Of course, with 34% approval ratings, I think people are finally starting to open their eyes.
However, I don't think the media is accurately portraying this. It's almost inversely proportional.. Clinton: excellent approval ratings, constant negative media coverage. Bush: awful approval ratings, and lets discuss everything but the very serious crimes that are being committed in his administration. And when there is criticism, it's always defended with the Republican talking points that have no bearing in truth whatsoever!
I kind of went off on a tangent there, but it's hard to stay on topic sometimes. So much evil in the world today..
That soldiers and generals don't like losing a policy debate about who can be a soldier is hardly the same sort of issue as a the rumblings over Iran. (I know, officially the debate is over the conduct of the Iraq war, but who are we kidding?)
We now stand at the precipice of a voluntary "nukulear" war and no one but these generals are in much of a position to warn the public. With the gay debate, they had their say and lost. With this issue, losing could mean that we wake up one morning to find out the looney tunes in DC have dropped the BIG ONE in Iran over night and that some other looney tune somewher else has decided to strike back.
This is a big distinction, the whole debate is different. IF the President and his staff are not competent to conduct war, the public needs to know.
And, by the way, any assertion that the generals should stay out of the politics should cut both ways. Why are the hypocrites marching out their own generals?
Several in the military, including Rommel, recognized Hitler's madness. Unlike in America (I think), they couldn't speak out. They did what they could do, they tried to kill the bastard. But for an amazing stroke of luck, Hitler would have been toast. Instead, with the exception of Rommel, Hitler not only had them killed but he killed thousands of their friends and family for good measure. By the way, Rommel was forced to commit suicide. You see, he was such a hero that having him outed as a traitor would have been bad for moral. For those who want to really get a grip on the naked face of fascism that we are but just glimpsing in the current administration, look up The People's Court. And I'm not talking about Wapner. It'll send a shiver up your spine.
What is it with the WP? Why are they being so missleading in thier editorials that the ignore the facts?
when he wrote: "Enlisted members of the armed forces swear their oath to those appointed over them; an officer swears an oath not to a person but to the Constitution. The distinction is important." As a former officer and as the father of a gay son, I would argue that the number of GLBT persons in this country is sufficiently significant to warrant constitutional protection against discrimination by any element of government, but I am in a distinct, hardly disinterested, minority.
In contrast, taking us to war on lies and deception and then selling the country's human and financial resources through corruption and mismanagement at the highest levels deals with the Constitution in perhaps the most fundamental way. The Post completely misses this distinction in the subject matter addressed by the military, along with its missing the distinction as to those on active duty (though Newbold clearly thinks that in this case, the active duty distinction is inapplicable here). The Post may disagree that the difference matters in whether the officers should speak out, but from the content of the article, the editor doesn't seem to have even contemplated the issue.