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Couric failed to question Snow about "tar baby" remark, allowed his misleading claims to go unchallenged

May 17, 2006 6:05 pm ET

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SUMMARY: In an interview with White House press secretary Tony Snow, NBC's Today co-host Katie Couric allowed Snow's misleading claims -- as well as his use of the racially charged term "tar baby" in his first live televised press briefing -- to go unchallenged.

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In interviewing new White House press secretary Tony Snow on the May 17 broadcast of NBC's Today, co-host Katie Couric allowed Snow's misleading claims -- as well as his use of a racially charged term in his first live televised White House press briefing -- to go unchallenged.

Although the May 17 New York Times and Washington Post both had reported Snow's use of the term "tar baby" during the press briefing, Couric did not question Snow about this remark. As the Post's Dana Milbank noted, "[o]f the National Security Agency's telephone espionage program, he [Snow] risked some loaded language: 'I don't want to hug the tar baby.' " The Times reported: "The tar-covered doll that Br'er Fox used to ensnare Br'er Rabbit in an 1881 Uncle Remus story is used as a metaphor for a sticky situation, but for some it also carries vague racist connotations -- it has been used as a derogatory term for a black."

Further, Couric allowed misleading claims by Snow to go unchallenged. For instance, when Couric asked Snow to comment on how "beleaguered" the White House felt, given President Bush's current job approval ratings -- which fell to a new low of 33 percent in the most recent ABC News/Washington Post poll -- Snow asserted that such a trend in polls "often happens about this time in a second term." But as USA Today reported on May 8, when Bush's approval ranking sank to a new low of 31 percent in a USA Today/Gallup poll, "[o]nly four presidents have scored lower approval ratings since the Gallup Poll began regularly measuring it in the mid-1940s: Harry Truman, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and the first George Bush." The article further noted that "[w]hen Nixon, Carter and the elder Bush sank below 35%, they never again registered above 40%," and although "Truman twice sank into the low 30s and then rose into the 60s," "the third time his rating fell, it stayed below 40% as well." Bush's approval ratings have remained below 40 percent in Gallup polls (subscription required) since the company's February 9-12 survey. Moreover, of the seven two-term presidents since Gallup began measuring presidential approval, only Richard Nixon had a lower approval rating (26 percent) during the second May of his second term, as the Watergate scandal unfolded. The Gallup approval ratings of the other presidents were in the forties or higher.

Additionally, when Couric asked Snow to describe the White House's "strategy to turn things around" before the November 2006 elections, Snow claimed that "people are going to start seeing a lot of important benchmarks being achieved by the government in Iraq," specifically citing "the formation of a new government" as one such "benchmark." But as Media Matters for America previously noted, the Bush administration has previously touted numerous "turning points" in Iraq, dating back as far as April 2004, suggesting each time that the situation there was about to improve. Moreover, on the May 10 broadcast of Today, when co-host Matt Lauer asked Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to comment on the Bush administration's past statements touting "big step[s]" in Iraq, Rice backed away the administration's claims "at each of those stages before," but promised that now, with the formation of the new Iraqi government, things would get better.

From the May 10 broadcast of NBC's Today:

LAUER: What is the next major hurdle? For the last several years, the administration has been saying, "OK, look. When we hand over autonomy, that's a big step. We draft a constitution, that's a big step. Democratic elections, a big step." What is that next step that will tell the American people, "Hey, maybe this is going in the right direction?"

RICE: I think what you're going to see is that we now have an Iraqi government that can speak for all Iraqis. At each of those stages before, we frankly didn't have, for instance, Sunni participation in a way that gave a chance for those who want to stop fighting, those who have resorted to violence, to really be a part of the political process. We now have that. We didn't have Iraqi security forces who could hold territory and take more responsibility for security. That is coming along. We didn't have an Iraqi government that really was devoted to national unity and that was permanent. Every other Iraqi government has been set up to do something else -- either to have an election or to write a constitution, but not to govern Iraq permanently. These people now have that charge, and I think they're going to execute it.

From the May 17 broadcast of Today:

COURIC: Clearly, there is a great deal of anxiety among many of the president's traditional supporters, and this new Washington Post poll has more bad news for him. It puts the president's job approval rating at 33 percent, with a 65-percent disapproval rating. On Iraq, 66 percent disapprove of his handling, 60 percent disapprove of the way he's handling the economy. His poll numbers have consistently been trending downward. How beleaguered is this White House feeling?

SNOW: Not particularly, Katie. As a matter of fact, you mentioned bad poll numbers. It often happens about this time in a second term. The real question is: Is the president going to lead on issues that people care about? Well, he's already taken a pretty bold stand on immigration. And I think what you're seeing is somebody who's engaged in the war on terror and engaged on all the issues people care about. Forgive the truck there.

COURIC: That's OK.

SNOW: And as a result, the spirits are pretty high. When you have got a White House that is being activist, people tend to rally not only around the president but around the causes he espouses.

COURIC: At the same time, though, there is a school of thought that if the president is not able to pull up these poll numbers, the midterm elections could be absolutely devastating for the Republican Party. I know in the White House reshuffle, Karl Rove shifted his focus from policy to political strategy. So, what is the strategy to turn things around by November?

SNOW: Well, you don't look at a "turn it around" strategy. Again, good policy is always good politics. The president, I think, by grappling with immigration in a way that reaches out to all Americans and seeks the rational middle ground -- as you said -- the other night, that's a good thing to do. And I think what you're going to find is that people who have been looking for somebody to lead on a contentious issue like this are going to say, "OK. We like this. We like the fact that the president is being bold and passionate about an issue that many Americans have divided opinions about." I think you're also going to find, for instance, when it comes to the war in Iraq, we are on the verge of having the formation of a new government. As you know, the deadline is next Monday. I think people are going to start seeing a lot of very important benchmarks being achieved by the government in Iraq. And, look, this is a chance for people to study all the most important things the president has been trying to do.

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    • Author by Indy (May 17, 2006 6:26 pm ET)
         

      Snow first uses the word "segregate" in refering to seperating questions and issues being discussed at the press conference. Then "tar babby". I thought it was pretty funny in a Freudian slip way. Maybe he was hit by the don't notice the mole delima via the classic scene in "Uncle Buck" when John Candy has to go to see his neice's mole ridden principle ... He introduces himself by saying: "I'm Buck Melanoma, Lumpy Mole's wart. He may have been so affraid of offending that it had the opposite effect. Or he's just a closet racist. Take your pick.

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      • Author by crockodial (May 17, 2006 6:52 pm ET)
           

        he used the word "segregate?" that's a word. the tar baby thing is debateable. using these words does not make one racist. not to say that snow is "not a racist." he very well could be a grand wizard but not because he referred to a sticky situation as a "tar baby." What if he had said that someone was a pot calling the kettle "black" instead of African-American. Several years ago one of Mayor Williams, of D.C., had an aide who, in talking about the surplus in a budget, used the word "niggardly." The word means to be thrifty or cautious with money, but he was forced to resign due to racial insensitivity. There are plenty of things to find fault with in what he says about Iraq and poll numbers to focus on the words he used. His ideas are actually wrong, why focus on his vocabulary?

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        • Author by therick (May 17, 2006 7:17 pm ET)
             

          ". . . why focus on his vocabulary?" ---BECAUSE WORDS MEAN THINGS--PERIOD.

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          • Author by crockodial (May 17, 2006 7:39 pm ET)
               

            segregation means racism. tar baby means racism. yes, you know all the things that all the words mean. thank you. don't get mad at ME. I didn't call you a word that means something that could be construed as racism if you read it in the right light. i think it's surface level. the news is surface level enough. i was hoping that media critique didn't have to stay on that level. do you think framing Snow's word choice is really crucial to your ideological views? if we can refrain from personal affronts for a moment, I don't think that Couric not making a big deal about the tar baby comment is a comparable oversight to calling Snow out on his fabricated information about the polling numbers or misinformation regarding Iraq. How would you compare these situations?

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            • Author by therick (May 17, 2006 9:25 pm ET)
                 

              She should question it all, point by point. Not simply let the lesser of the evils go by. Call him on his bigotry and his misrepresenting. If the press (which has been way too lame recently) doesn't question politicians, we only get answers to unasked questions--spin.

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            • Author by peet (May 18, 2006 10:34 am ET)
                 

              In my time on this site... the neocon 'press' takes so many liberties with just such "nuances" of language... Is this paranoia, conspiracy? Maybe. But, after a time... the cumulative effect is staggering.

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              • Author by crockodial (May 18, 2006 12:52 pm ET)
                   

                I think that liberals spend too much time arguing the finer points of grammar and pronunciation ( I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BUSH PRONOUNCES NUCLEAR!) to no avail while neocon think tanks and clandestine boards of directors hatch massive agendas. Liberals are looking at the left hand while they're being set up for a monster RIGHT. Cons would rather have liberal enclaves gloating about superior command of language instead of criticizing conservative PNAC space command, 9/11 truth seekers, caspian sea pipeline through pakistan and afghanistan, etc. Conservatives would rather have Iraq foreign policy endlessly critiqued than for the American people to have any idea about the kinds of stuff they are probably pulling in Nigeria and to undermind the strengthening left of South America. Basically, there are bigger fish to fry.

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    • Author by raskol77 (May 17, 2006 8:13 pm ET)
         

      "I'm not going to comment on that right now."

      or, if he thought he was being trapped:

      "I'm not taking the bait on that question."

      You have to watch your word choice when you're a public figure. I don't think his comment necessarily makes him a racist. It makes him an idiot.

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      • Author by therick (May 17, 2006 9:27 pm ET)
           

        who just happens to be a racist.

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      • Author by rstybeach266 (May 18, 2006 2:00 pm ET)
           

        He slipped big time. It's one thing to try to spit out some phrases that are not commonly used in order to sound on point, but it's another to use such a phrase that is controversial. It's like refering to a female dog on TV as a bit**. Sure it makes sense, but it doesn't fit well with the average TV viewer, especially in a News worthy televised interview.

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    • Author by ufleirx (May 18, 2006 12:36 am ET)
         

      Most of the rest of the press did not and she is getting paid a lot more than most of them are to look the other way. We are seeing the last phases of infotainment replacing news. It's going to become a much more "we control the vertical, we control the horizontal" world but look more towards seeing "thousands of images" more so than "one image with pinpoint clarity". Look forward to seeing a lot more "The Outer Limits" type of reality-based fiction or fiction-based reality than actual reality from the MSM news sources.

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    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (May 18, 2006 1:31 am ET)
         

      yourselves- I think if Snow is guilty of doing anything here, it's dropping in a distraction; an easily deniable, yet volatile phrase, to distract from his double-talk and incompetence. As a big fan of Uncle Remus, a suburban white kid who, along with my brother,was known to say "Bimeby" & "sho'nuf" only out of admiration for Brer rabbit, i won't take the bait(or hug the tar baby) of the rightys who love to throw out a decoy to knee-jerk PC Leftys.

      Yeah, words mean something, but only with intent behind them. Don't be distracted by offensive words at the expense of ignoring heinous actions.

      I guess what I'm saying is, don't be so niggardly with your rules of language. Everyone has a chink in their armor, nobody's vocabulary is Spick and span.I'd hate to be a Guinea pig for your test to see which Pole I'm at on the offensive scale. It's queer to me that people can be so Scotch with their limitations on freedom of speech.I'm not suggesting that anybody's throwing anyone in the Paddy wagon for words,but we should nip this in the bud.Not a daygo's by that I don't hear one person telling another which words they can and can't use. I canuck understand why... ok, I'm getting too stoopid now.. sorry

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      • Author by rstybeach266 (May 18, 2006 2:07 pm ET)
           

        You have to take it in the stand point that this is the new White House Press Sevcretary, he is supposed to be a master at choosing the correct language to use in an interview. What if Bush had actually used this phrase in one of his unrehearsed Q&A sessions with the press? The entire nation would be all over him. When you're in charge of the country, or part of the administration that is, it is definitely necassary to be aware of certain phrases or words that could have ANY possible chance of offending a possible voter. Otherwise, you end up in a situation like this.

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    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (May 18, 2006 1:54 am ET)
         

      what made me post- after reading Uncle Remus during the school year in class, we were playing baseball on the school field, me & kids on my little league team (suburban white, black and Mexican kids)

      Having that energy that 8 year olds have, meaning after 4 or 5 hours of playing ball, we were looking for more trouble. Being a hot L.A. summer day, and no teachers around, we started peeling the melty tar roof off the dugout and made our own tar-baby, and spent another hour or so throwing it at each other.This was about 35 years ago, but still one of the most fun and memorable days in my life, one that would have been considerably less fun had we not been allowed to say "Oh Lawd, this tar baby am vexing me sumpin powerful !" or whatever dialect we were trying to cop from brer rabbit.

      And the white kids, and the black kids, and the Mexican kids all had fun, and nobody got their feelings hurt. I'm not saying anything goes with the language, use yer common sense. But pay attention to the real offenses. Peace, HBL

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      • Author by heru (May 18, 2006 7:44 pm ET)
           

        what made me post- after reading Uncle Remus during the school year in class, we were playing baseball on the school field, me & kids on my little league team (suburban white, black and Mexican kids)

        Having that energy that 8 year olds have, meaning after 4 or 5 hours of playing ball, we were looking for more trouble. Being a hot L.A. summer day, and no teachers around, we started peeling the melty tar roof off the dugout and made our own tar-baby, and spent another hour or so throwing it at each other.This was about 35 years ago, but still one of the most fun and memorable days in my life, one that would have been considerably less fun had we not been allowed to say "Oh Lawd, this tar baby am vexing me sumpin powerful !" or whatever dialect we were trying to cop from brer rabbit.

        And the white kids, and the black kids, and the Mexican kids all had fun, and nobody got their feelings hurt. I'm not saying anything goes with the language, use yer common sense. But pay attention to the real offenses. Peace, HBL

        Only a devil would consider the best day of his life the one in which he tossed around a tar baby to his naive black 'friends' while mocking the dialect of a black slave. And they didn't even seem to get their feelings hurt! Ha ha. Oh what a day.

        Had the unsuspecting black kids been aware of the history and ways of white supremacy and that they were actually "playing" with devils mocking them, they might have used their bats for a better purpose than hitting balls.

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    • Author by corvus (May 18, 2006 7:37 am ET)
         

      Mr Snow is using certain language to let the good ole boys know he's still on the team.

      It's funny watching katie pretend like she's a REAL news girl.

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    • Author by right-winger (May 18, 2006 7:37 am ET)
         

      MARK MY WORD IF THIS WAS A KERRY PERSON WHO SAID THIS THE MEDIA WOULD BE ALL OVER THIS STORY AND MOSTLY FOX NEWS!!!

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    • Author by rusty shackleford (May 18, 2006 9:28 am ET)
         

      Snow's use of the term "tar baby" in this situation clearly referred to the Uncle Remus tale, which is very familiar to most people over the age of about 35 because of Disney's "Song of the South." That movie and the associated books and other Disney junk that went along with it were as well-known to us as "Aladdin" and "The Little Mermaid" to a later generation. It would be very natural for Snow to use that term without any racist intent whatsoever. I don't know if he's racist or not, but this quote doesn't prove anything in my opinion.

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      • Author by crockodial (May 18, 2006 11:30 am ET)
           

        that is effectively what I was trying to say. I don't think that Couric would be earning her big bucks any more if she had thrown Snow the hardball "did you say 'tar baby' because you hate black people?" To reference Kanye, Katrina showed us that the administration doesn't care about black people. we KNOW this. I don't think Snow slipping "tar baby" into a discourse will affect policy or the lives of Americans, I think his spin on some of Couric's other softball questions have more significant impact.

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    • Author by ChristianDemocrat (May 18, 2006 1:21 pm ET)
         

      The "tar baby" controversy is a waste of time. First, it isn't a journalist's responsibility to ask every possible question I or MMFA might want asked of an individual. I'm not excusing journalists who fail to ask relevant questions. Nor am I excusing the media from failing to ever ask important questions. However, it's difficult to look at one incident and criticize a journalist for failing to raise specific issue.

      Second, the "tar baby" controversy is so easily dismissed, why bother? I.e., "What did you mean by your use of 'tar baby'"? "Just that it's best to avoid sticky situations." "Didn't you know it also has a racist connotation?" "No, I didn't. But I know now and apologize to anyone who was offended."

      On the other hand, an obvious follow-up question to the Iraq benchmarks claim would be "what benchmarks?" (Ok...what I'm really thinking there is "what benchmarks this time?") That's a question that should have been asked.

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    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (May 19, 2006 3:30 am ET)
         

      Read the whole thing again-- I wasn't saying the whole thing, or Uncle Remus, wasn't racist. I was saying that , like you calling me the devil, the whole thing is looking at "offensive words" to distract the gullible from the real offenses- actions. Please read what I wrote- and not with the eyes that a Repub. reads any mention of Jesus with- I mean that the Right is the irrational side, and they're welcome to it. I was pointing out that, as un-PC as our behavior was by today's standards, things were better without the BS.The Southern slave dialect was as foreign to the black kids on my street as it was to me, or the Latino kids.There was still along way to go , but we (as kids, and not being so polite)were having a good time. The same way I remember the Black kids thinking Barney Fife was hilarious,and the white trash redneck kids weren't mad about that.

      Get it, Heru? By the way, as I worried about my stoopid rant with the deliberately racist slurs thrown in,did anyone watch the Daily Show tonight( Thursday)?and did someone from TDS rip me off? I'm not mad, just would like a t-shirt or something, and an acknowledgement from anyone who has trouble spotting sarcasm in print, that I was a couple days ahead of Stewart on this. Cheers, HBLefty

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    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (May 19, 2006 3:40 am ET)
         

      I don't know who your friends were, but my friends when I was 8 , white, black or other, weren't "naive" or "unsuspecting" (your words), they were at least as aware as I was about the world. Pretty sick that you think I was taking advantage of inferiors. Think about it. Peace, HBL

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