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Klein at it again, claiming conservatives "happily chase converts," while liberals "hunt down heretics"

June 06, 2006 11:46 am ET
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SUMMARY: Time columnist Joe Klein continued his pattern of denigrating liberals while praising conservatives, this time reviving a quote from Washington Post columnist Michael Kinsley who, in purporting to characterize politics in the 1980s, said that while "liberals hunt down heretics ... conservatives happily chase converts." However, in 1996, Klein used the same Kinsley quote but argued that "[i]t's been the opposite in the '90s."

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In a June 3 Time.com online column, Joe Klein, Time magazine's "most liberal commentator," continued his pattern of denigrating liberals while praising conservatives. This time, Klein revived a quote from Washington Post columnist Michael Kinsley who, in purporting to characterize politics in the 1980s, said that while "liberals hunt down heretics ... conservatives happily chase converts." Citing Kinsley, Klein questioned whether Democrats in Virginia could accept a nontraditional Democratic candidate for Senate: James H. Webb, a former Republican and former secretary of the Navy under President Ronald Reagan. However, in 1996, Klein used the same Kinsley quote but argued that "[i]t's been the opposite in the '90s" from the '80s -- Klein said then that "Democrats have spent most of the ['90s] trying to prove their moderation." In his June 12 column, Klein made no mention of his opposite assessment in the '90s, nor did he provide any support for his apparent assessment that liberals and Democrats have reverted to their purported posture from the '80s. Moreover, he ignored current examples of conservatives who also "hunt down" their own "heretics."

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), the Democratic nominee for president in 2004, recently endorsed Webb.

Klein cited Kinsley as the originator of the aphorism that "liberals hunt down heretics" while "conservatives happily chase converts." In his November 4, 1996, Time column, Klein used the same Kinsley quote to claim the opposite was true:

In the '80s, Michael Kinsley has noted, liberals looked "for heretics, while conservatives looked for converts." It's been the opposite in the '90s. Democrats have spent most of the decade trying to prove their moderation (Clinton's first two years were an exception, for which Democrats were justly punished in 1994), while Republicans decided to pose as "revolutionaries." GOP presidential candidates spent the 1996 primary season working overtime to establish their ideological purity, desperately denying any smidgen of moderation. It's been a disaster. If you want a good sense of what the public doesn't want to hear, just listen to Newt Gingrich -- not the positions he takes, many of which are entirely reasonable, but the way he takes them. He reeks of anger.

And then listen to Bill Clinton. He has worked overtime trying to establish his ideological impurity. He's taken some less than honorable positions, like his demagogic opposition to GOP Medicare reductions, but he has offered them softly, as a moderate antidote to the extremism Republicans have worked so hard, and so stupidly, to profess. He's had the luxury of no primary battle, of not having to pander to his party's left wing. And the public mood has played to his natural strength: last week there was extraordinary film of Clinton listening intently as a young woman, tears streaming, harangued him about partial-birth abortions. Then, with an arm draped over her shoulder, he responded. I don't know what the president said, but it wasn't nearly as important as the listening that came before it. The scene ended with a grateful, spontaneous hug from the woman. If there's a better metaphor for what has happened this year, I can't think of it.

Klein now says that Democrats and liberals act the same toward "heretics" as they did in the '80s, though he provides no support for the claim and ignores substantial evidence that conservatives and Republicans also "hunt down heretics." A gathering of conservatives known as the "Wednesday Meeting" has reportedly served as a focal point for coordinating many conservative causes and groups, including the White House. Part of that coordination included identifying and attacking "errant Republicans," as The Washington Post reported on January 12, 2004:

Coordination, though, assumes cooperation. For those who do not cooperate, [Americans for Tax Reform president Grover] Norquist plays enforcer. Democrats are "bad guys," but errant Republicans are "evil." When the House voted to pass school vouchers in September, Norquist growled, "Who voted wrong on that?" A Hill staff member distributed the Republican blacklist. On the Internet access tax vote, he targeted two Republican senators from Tennessee and Ohio: "We're trying to get [Lamar] Alexander and [George] Voinovich to behave. Any advice appreciated."

When Alabama Gov. Bob Riley (R) tried to pass a state tax increase, Norquist helped defeat it. "We're going to keep him on life support," he said. "We'll put him in a freezer, as an example." He gave the Alabama state party chairman an award for opposing the hike. Instead of a plaque, Norquist sent him a sword with a steel blade. Even presidents have felt his wrath. Norquist first organized the Wednesday meetings in 1993 to galvanize opposition to Bill Clinton's health care plan. He keeps a rubber stamp by his desk, "Find Him and Kill Him." Near it, he has taped a yellowing scrap on which he had written: "Oct. 12, 1987. Bush: 'I won't raise your taxes, period.' " Norquist still condemns the first President Bush for breaking that promise.

Recently, conservatives have also fielded primary challengers against incumbent Republicans who they felt were not conservative enough. For example, in 2004, Rep. Pat Toomey (R-PA) challenged Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) with the aid of the conservative Club for Growth. In its endorsement of Toomey, the Club for Growth wrote that a vote for Toomey over Specter "would send a powerful message to the Republican in Name Only ("RINO") Republicans that your time has come and gone." Toomey received 49 percent of the primary vote to Specter's 51 percent. According to an April 28, 2004, Associated Press report, the Club for Growth listed Specter as its No. 1 target that year and spent almost $2 million dollars trying to unseat him. Other conservatives, such as Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and President Bush, campaigned and supported Specter against Toomey's challenge. The Club for Growth's political action committee is currently backing conservative Steve Laffey's bid to oust Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) in a September 2006 primary.

Despite being Time's "most liberal commentator," Klein wrote on the Huffington Post weblog that the "left wing" of the Democratic Party has a "hate America tendency," as Media Matters for America noted. He has also argued that White House senior aide Karl Rove's 2006 campaign strategy will "be aided by those on the noisome left who believe that the U.S. is a malignant, imperialistic force in the world" and singled out three prominent African-American House Democrats -- Reps. John Conyers (D-MI), Charles Rangel (D-NY), and Alcee Hastings (D-FL) -- as particularly susceptible to such attacks. Klein has also lavished praise upon Bush for standing by his "deeply held" position on immigration and consistently opposing his own party's base -- despite the White House's apparent change of position on controversial immigration provisions that would have facilitated criminal prosecutions of illegal immigrants.

From Klein's June 3 "web-exclusive" column on Time.com:

Webb is a political amateur, and party pros consider him "undisciplined." That means he hates fund raising and isn't very comfortable with the backroom coddling of special interests that is a dismally essential part of the job. He entered the race late and precipitately. His answers are sketchy on some domestic-policy issues; Miller has a Washington insider's grasp of issues like education and tax policy, as the Washington Post pointed out in an endorsement editorial last week. Indeed, Webb may be in serious trouble in the primary. A minuscule turnout is expected, less than 5% of the electorate, and Miller has been working his way through the traditional Democratic constituencies -- abortion-rights activists, teachers' unions and minorities -- like a threshing machine. "We have one candidate who is appealing and undisciplined and another who is disciplined and unappealing," a prominent Democrat told me. "It's a real problem." It is more than that: a campaign that will help determine whether Democrats have the expansive soul to become a majority party once more. Liberals hunt down heretics, Michael Kinsley once wrote, while conservatives happily chase converts. Webb is a convert in a party that mistrusts converts. His candidacy is a litmus test for a party that loves litmus tests.

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    • Author by blueblood (June 06, 2006 12:07 pm ET)
         

      So the whole Jim Jeffords incident in 2001 was a prime example of the Republicans' big tent, right? Klein is a mole, plain and simple. He is portrayed as a liberal and uses that cover to make baseless criticisms at the Democratic party without fear of it being labeled as a partisan attack in the MSM.

      Klein is clearly unaware of how Tom Delay earned the nickname "the Hammer" and how he leveraged his immense political and fundraising clout to keep all Republicans in line.

      You see, the Democrats have been infiltrated since the 1980s by corportate center-right members coming from the Democratic Leadership who have succeeded in hijacking the party's core values in favor of more corporate friendly ones. Thus, if the Democratic party is going to rid itself of the accusation of having no clear, cogent vision, it must smoke out all of its moles and replace them with individuals who believe in universal healthcare, an end to corporate globalization, environmental protection, and alliance building.

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      • Author by blueblood (June 06, 2006 12:13 pm ET)
           

        Democratic leadership should have been Democratic Leadership Council (DLC).

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      • Author by lee3676 (June 06, 2006 1:25 pm ET)
           

        Klein has been a political hack for many years. He is more interested in causing controversy than he is in discussing politics. It would appear that Klein has now decided to use the Chris Matthews model and attempt to alienate both sides in the spirit of contoversy. I think Media Matters should do what most readers do...ignore him.

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      • Author by FinanceBuzz (June 06, 2006 2:08 pm ET)
           

        That would be the best thing that could happen. Show those true, ultra-liberal colors and then we would not have to worry about Democrats wooing the swing voters. What does it take to get it through to you guys: we do not want government-provided universal healthcare, we do not want radical environmentalism, and any of the other kooky ideas of the radical left. The moderates are the biggest reason the Dems continue to provide a threat to the Republicans outside of the core liberal voting areas.

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        • Author by blueblood (June 06, 2006 2:26 pm ET)
             

          Well, in your eyes, that of a right-wing radical, ANY reasonable form of environmental protection to ensure the continued viability of the Earth's ecosystems, (2/3 of which are in imminent danger, according to the U.N.), and any meaningful attempt to provide health insurance to the nearly 50 million Americans without and the many others who are barely able to pay their deductibles, are "kooky." Your derision is indicative of your ignorance of the REAL problems facing America.

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          • Author by FinanceBuzz (June 06, 2006 2:49 pm ET)
               

            We were founded on freedom and liberty and limited government that. What the Dems push on us is big government that wants to invade everything we do. They cannot seem to fathom a solution that does not require government. Rather than attempt to just help those who need healthcare, they want to push a full-blown government healthcare system that would degrade the care for most of us just to help those without coverage. That is a kooky idea.

            I am all for reasonable environmental policies. Plowing headlong into global warming policies that would possibly impede our economy based on theories is a kooky idea. Threatening our national security by keeping us tied to foreign oil from unstable regions of the world because you are scared to death one caribou in ANWR might be impacted is a kooky idea.

            As for me...I am happy to say I am a very strong conservative. Perhaps I am a bit to the right of the average American but I have no problem with that. If we had a better education system to expose all the logical flaws in liberal then even that might not be the case. However, I can assure that I am a lot closer to Joe Blow on the street than the radical left. Note, you do not see me trying to redefine my ideological identifier of Conservative the way the left flees en masse from the term Liberal.

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            • Author by tex (June 07, 2006 12:41 am ET)
                 

              You say, "Note, you do not see me trying to redefine my ideological identifier of Conservative the way the left flees en masse from the term Liberal."

              RESPONSE: I've always been proud to identify myself as LIBERAL. I'm not in that "en masse" you mention.

              If your "ideological identifier" is "CONSERVATIVE", and you don't feel the need to "redefine", what does this MEAN in terms of policy and principle?

              For example, I've been watching CONSERVATIVES for about 50 years. They have firmly stated root principles which include:

              * Honest and Open government; full accountability to THE PEOPLE.

              * Expanding THE VOTE to include the maximum number of citizens.

              * Fiscal Responsibility; no deficit, a balanced budget, a RESPONSIBLE tax program that covers expenses.

              * Protect our borders.

              * Non-interference into the affairs of foreign sovereign nations; no "nation building".

              * Maximum emphasis on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.

              * A SMALLER government, one which interferes THE LEAST into the personal, private lives of the citizens.

              * No man is above the LAW; the prime directive of our leaders is to "defend the Constitution"

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              The current Administration is the polar opposite of Conservative on these and other CORE PRINCIPLED POINTS. If you support Bush at all, you are NOT a "conservative". You are a NeoCon. Bush is a true conservative's worst nightmare.

              So, what KIND of "conservative" ARE you? If the kind that defends Bush, you're no conservative at all.

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        • Author by blueblood (June 06, 2006 2:34 pm ET)
             

          The reason why Democrats have not been able to woo as many swing voters is because of ther susceptability to divisive social wedge issues like gay marriage and abortion restrictions. Because the centrist Democratic leadership can provide no real criticism of the Bush administration's awful failures by providing progreswsive alternatives in the appropriate frame, their message will always be unclear.

          The heart of the conservative agenda is very much a radical one, but it is softened to the electorate throught the use of language and framing. If Americans understood that the Bush agenda is military and and economic dominance through any means necessary, a complete removal of any Constitutional checks on executive authority, and a nation of religious and intellectual rigidity, George would have been thrown out LONG ago.

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          • Author by FinanceBuzz (June 06, 2006 2:54 pm ET)
               

            Economic dominance by any means necessary?

            No checks on executive power?

            These are FANTASY. I have been hearing this crap since November 2000 when y'all could not get a court to hand you an election over George Bush. In those five and a half years I am still waiting on REAL evidence to back these claims up.

            As for intellectual rigidity, I find it funny that a liberal would comment on the intellectual state of our nation when we suffer from a failed government education system, a system that is consistently championed hard by the left. A system for which any real alternatives are offered is fought by the left. I do not want to hear the left talking intellectual topics amidst the dumbing down of America. That is why your anti-corporate attacks and vote buying schemes can find traction because the civics and economics education of this country are so abysmal. That is why the average citizen buys into the myth of the greedy oil companies while they lack any real comprehension of the economic forces at work in those markets.

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            • Author by solon (June 07, 2006 1:10 am ET)
                 

              All disputed votes were counted in Florida. We have been over this MANY times. When allvalid votes are counted no matter WHAT the criteria Gore got more votes in Florida than Bush PERIOD. That is a strait out fact. We have cited the evidence on this many times on this site

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              • Author by LL-TIME (June 07, 2006 8:33 am ET)
                   

                Oh, that's a good one!! I haven't had a good laugh like that in a long time. Come on, tell us another good one, like how he "stole" Ohio. LOL

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    • Author by FinanceBuzz (June 06, 2006 2:11 pm ET)
         

      I would rather be a minority in Congress but know I can count on the GOP for conservative principles than to have the faux majority we have now where on every bill that requires some guts and leadership, the RINOs stampede to join their Dem friends. You can have Chafee, Specter, and Snowe if we cannot get rid of them. While some of the Norquist terminology is a bit over the top, I am glad there are still some real conservatives out there.

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      • Author by blueblood (June 06, 2006 2:29 pm ET)
           

        you can have Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Hillary Clinton, and Evan Bayh, all Democrats cut from the same corporate cloth as the Republicans in Congress.

        Why would the Democrats want Arlan Specter, who crafted the most lunatic explanation for the lone shooter theory behind the kenedy assasination. An unethical power whore like that resides best in the GOP.

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        • Author by FinanceBuzz (June 06, 2006 2:56 pm ET)
             

          If you think Hillary Clinton is not liberal then you must be teetering on the left edge of the cliff. I can see your point on Lieberman but even he abandoned all his views when he teamed up with Gore in 2000 to toe the liberal party line.

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          • Author by solon (June 07, 2006 1:14 am ET)
               

            To the far right like you ( you are delusional if you think you are closer to the mainstream than the far left, you are as far right as I am left, by the way I have always been proud to call myself a liberal) anyone to the left of Attila the Hun is a liberal. You are not credible as a judge. Anyone denying McCain is a conservative is simply lost to reality itself

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            • Author by LL-TIME (June 07, 2006 8:54 am ET)
                 

              You mean Attila the hun is against abortion and gay marraige? Aren't those the only measuring sticks used when a liberal decides who is worthy of their praise? So, it sounds like mr. hun is being called a conservative and anyone (who isn't a leftie) who disagrees or offers his own opinion is being told their opinion is invalid because it differs from the left agenda. Hmmm, that's not very fair, but makes perfect sense when considering what side of the spectrum the idea is coming from.

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              • Author by blueblood (June 07, 2006 2:02 pm ET)
                   

                Well, the Democratic party stands for personal autonomy when deciding how to plan a family and not discriminating against millions of law-abiding citizens because of what some 5000 year old book says. So, if there is a legislator un the Democratic party that approve of strict government sanction of the uterus and marriage, they should be thrown out.

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                • Author by LL-TIME (June 07, 2006 3:38 pm ET)
                     

                  " Well, the Democratic party stands for personal autonomy when deciding how to plan a family and not discriminating against millions of law-abiding citizens because of what some 5000 year old book says. "

                  Isn't this a 'democratic' nation? Meaning, don't the people get to vote on how the rules should be made? How many states have voted to "approve" same-sex marraige? Why should legislators or judges be allowed to change the will of the people? When the will-of-the-people are changed to give favorable results for the whiny few then this is no longer a democratic nation, and democracy goes right out the window. You might as well just change all the rules to appease whatever any minority (not intended as racial) group decides they want any particular day.

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          • Author by redking75687 (June 07, 2006 11:56 am ET)
               

            Votes for war crimes. Votes to continue war crimes. Kisses up to AIPAC. Isn't pushing for universal health care or social justice or impeachment or anything else even remotely liberal in outlook. Hillary? Liberal? No way.

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    • Author by tex (June 06, 2006 2:16 pm ET)
         

      ... the heavy hitters can be traded, and are expected to totally change allegiance with the higher paycheck.

      Kline is a different sort of text athelete. He has changed allegiance, but remains by appearance with the same team, paid to sabotage instead of playing to win. There's several words for such creatures; rats, turncoats, traitors.

      Kline should just do the honorable thing and apply for a job as a Bush speechwriter. As it stands, "TIME's MOST LIBERAL" is not a liberal at all. He's a mole and a saboteur.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 06, 2006 4:32 pm ET)
         

      in german means " small ".

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    • Author by deeznuts (June 06, 2006 6:28 pm ET)
         

      Another gem from Planet Republican.

      Must be nice there.

      A wondrous place where you can say whatever you want, without a shred of evidence, and get away with it because the media loves to put loudmouth jackasses on the air.

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    • Author by webprogrammer (June 06, 2006 9:08 pm ET)
         

      He calls himself a moderate. The only claim that's ever made is that Klein is TIME's most liberal columnist. The other way of saying this is that Klein is TIME's least conservative columnist. In a room filled with empty glasses, the glass with a single drop of water in the bottom is the most full.

      This concept is called relativity. Joe Klein isn't a liberal, he's a conservative who calls himself a moderate because he lacks the courage of his convictions, and that makes him TIME's least conservative. He's a one-eyed man in the land of the blind.

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      • Author by LL-TIME (June 07, 2006 9:01 am ET)
           

        " He's a one-eyed man in the land of the blind. "

        Who would that be in MMFA land? At least the guy has an opinion. Why is it that everyone to the left of center is so critical of everyone who doesn't line up lock-step with the liberal agenda? What is the liberal afraid of ? Let the guy spout off, if he wants, let him call himself a moredate if he wants. The liberal does whatever they want, don't they? Aren't they allowed to spout off ? Why is someone who offers a differing opinion suddenly an evil person? Whoops, I guess that makes me an evil person, now. Liberals are such a funny class of person....they can't decide who to hate more - anyone who doesn't agree with them or everyone else.

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        • Author by Lynn (June 07, 2006 10:12 am ET)
             

          "Why is someone who offers a differing opinion suddenly an evil person?"

          Ask Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, etc. etc that. You too engage in devisive rheteric, (YOU LIBERALS ARE A FUNNY CLASS OF PEOPLE) so you shouldn't chastise anyone else until you stop it yourself.

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          • Author by LL-TIME (June 08, 2006 8:16 am ET)
               

            " You too engage in devisive rheteric, (YOU LIBERALS ARE A FUNNY CLASS OF PEOPLE) so you shouldn't chastise anyone else until you stop it yourself. "

            Thanks for proving my point. And, thanks for proving Klein's point. I guess some liberals are more helpful than they plan to be.

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    • Author by redking75687 (June 07, 2006 11:52 am ET)
         

      How true. They are a cult religion, not a political party. They seek total subjugation of the mind and spirit in the name of absolute Party loyalty. All must think as they think, speak as they think, all individuality must be surrendered to the Party. Very much like the Nazis or Stalinism, you better praise that Party Leader and do exactly as you are told or you are a "traitor to the state"...because to them, the Party is the Leader and the Leader is the State.

      Drink up that media kool-aid, drink it all up. The Right-wing Reverend Bush is taking you all to heaven with him.

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