On Fox, radio host Mark Williams claimed Kerry has "got to be on crack" for recent Iraq comments
SUMMARY: On Fox News' Your World, radio host Mark Williams claimed that Sen. John Kerry -- who recently stated that his vote in favor of authorizing the invasion of Iraq was a mistake -- has "got to be on crack" and that weapons of mass destruction were found in the form of "300,000 people in mass graves."
On the June 13 edition of Fox News' Your World, radio host Mark Williams claimed that Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) has "got to be on crack," after host Neil Cavuto played a portion of a speech Kerry made at the "Take Back America" conference in which Kerry said, "I was wrong to vote for that Iraqi war resolution."
Later in the interview, which also involved radio host Nancy Skinner, Williams said that "we have eliminated the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction program." When Skinner challenged Williams's remark by noting that "we found no weapons of mass destruction," Williams replied: "Yes, the 300,000 people in mass graves found them for you, Nancy."
From the June 13 edition of Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto:
CAVUTO: Kerry plans to offer an amendment to a bill this week that would pull our forces from the region by the end of the year. Mark Williams says this so-called cut-and-run strategy will backfire on Democrats, but Nancy Skinner disagrees. Both are talk show hosts. So, Mark, not a fan of this, huh?
WILLIAMS: Senator Kerry, check your watch, I think it stopped a few years ago. Yeah, as I cracked on my radio show last week after [Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab] al-Zarqawi was killed, I said, "Al-Zarqawi dead, Democrats vow to fight on despite loss." Apparently John Kerry is making that crack headline for real. He's got to be on crack. What have we done in Iraq in the last three years? Let me see: We've overthrown a dictator, we've eliminated the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction program, we've ended the oppression and the starvation and the genocide of a country of 25 million people, and freed them. We've had one, two, three elections. We've had an interim government, we've got a permanent government. The country is coming together; things are good.
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WILLIAMS: Well, if we -- first of all, what do you think by exit strategy? Exit strategy is win the war. I would like you to explain the exit strategy from the Second World War to me because we still have troops on the ground. What we're seeing in Iraq is that winning of the war. Did we use overwhelming force? Absolutely. Have you been there? Have you seen the overwhelming force? Do you see an Iraqi Republican Guard under the rule of Saddam Hussein? Do you see a weapons of mass destruction program?
SKINNER: There wasn't a weapons of mass destruction program.
WILLIAMS: No, what you see is a real country that has never been a real country, other than under a dictator, forging itself despite their differences, despite the ethnic differences, despite the fact that these people were held together by force. They are coming out of the woodwork now to form a country.
SKINNER: Mark, Mark. You said twice --
WILLIAMS: And they're dropping dimes on the bad guys left and right.
SKINNER: You said twice there was a weapons of mass destruction program. We found no weapons of mass destruction. And the problem is now we have the Sunni -- let me just finish --
WILLIAMS: Yeah, the 300,000 people in mass graves found them for you, Nancy.
SKINNER: That's not the weapons of mass destruction program.
WILLIAMS: The 300,000 people in mass graves who were gassed found them for you.
CAVUTO: All right, guys. You know what, you both articulate your position, but Nancy, finish your point real quickly.
SKINNER: We have Sunnis battling Shias, and the militias and security are infiltrated. Now, I don't call that winning our objective, Mark.
CAVUTO: OK, Nancy, final word. Mark, thank you as well.
man can't make the difference between victims and weapons (partly livered by the US during the Reagon years [link to www.gwu.edu]
Its a potentially just war at the wrong time (when fighting against terrorism) with the wrong arguments (WMD -> democracy -> against terrorists).
1. As I recall, most of our religious leaders did not think Gulf War I met the criteria for a just war (disproportionate means and ends, not the last resort). And of course we did not suffer a terrorist attack on our soil until after we waged that first war against Iraq.
2. Mr. Republican, Ronald Reagan himself, "cut and run" from Lebanon, so the GOP is wrong to claim any moral or ideological superiority here.
3. There have been GOP calls for withdrawing all of our troops from Iraq: "... Republican James A. Leach of Iowa may be the only other GOP congressman to call for a pullout, he said. Leach said on the House floor more than a year ago that the United States should begin a withdrawal that would be complete by the end of 2004." (emphasis added) [From a January 10, 2005 AP article, "Republican Congressman Calls for Withdrawal from Iraq," found at CommonDreams.Org.]
And there have been a few more similar GOP calls for troop withdrawals from Iraq since then. I wonder how often we will hear about that between now and November.
Suddenly WMDs have Abra-Cadabra-ed themselves into mass graves.
That's a Knievel-esque leap in logic if I've ever seen one.
There is no depth too low.
The chronology of MASS GRAVES in Iraq is not good for America.
Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush after him were very much involved in supplying Saddam Hussein with WMDs, including poison gas, ostensibly to fight against Iran.
(At the same time, these Republicans were funding, training, supplying and supporting Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, ostensibly to fight the occupation of the USSR ... but that's another story.)
Not only were mass graves filled with this Iraq/Iran war, but Saddam, AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS SHAKING DONALD RUMSFELD'S HAND IN BAGHDAD, used the weapons SUPPLIED BY THE USA on his own people, who he considered political enemies within his own country. This, too, filled mass graves.
For this guy Williams to point to MASS GRAVES as if it proves any point as to Saddam's capability AT THE TIME WE INVADED is both ludicrous, and greatly ironic, since those mass graves were filled with the HELP and the APPROVAL of the United States, in the form of Republican Presidents.
In short, Williams HAS no argument, so he has glommed onto a soundbite that SOUNDS reasonable, and enables him to totally avoid answering the question; Were WMDs found? FACT: No, they were not. William's dodge: The WMDs were found in the Mass Graves.
This is the kind of "logic" the Rightwing hopes that their followers are too stupid to realize is total nonsense. The number of those who are that stupid is dwindling, now about only 3 out of 10.
I'm the biggest "liberal" in the world, whatever that means. I love media matters and read it everyday. That being said, while "on crack" is a ridiculous conservative smear akin to "stretches the truth" and "flip flopper," Kerry is kind of ripe for ridicule. Suddenly coming out against the Iraq war now, after he passed on the chance to do so during the election...it's a bit weak. I'm a fan of those precious few who didn't vote for Iraq in the first place, or at least came around soonafter. Of course Cavuto's show is disgraceful and I'm glad his continued insanity is being documented.
This Troglodyte isn't ridiculing Kerry for changing his position; he's ridiculing him for sharing the opinion of what is probably a majority of Americans...that this war was a monumental mistake and that we should get out as soon as possible. This Republican Hackjob is just serving up the typical talking points, telling us how wonderful everything is in Iraq.
I wish Kerry had shown more balls during the campaign, too...trust me. At least he's coming around now, unlike Hillary.
I wish Kerry had shown more balls during the campaign, too...trust me. At least he's coming around now, unlike Hillary.
What Kerry said was in essence, "I made a mistake, but it was Bush's fault." If that's what passes as courage these days, we're in a heep of trouble!!
Incidentally, Kerry's "courageous" initiative to withdraw troops by the end of the year got 6 votes!! Yep, that's courage alright!!
Personal attacks toward Senator Kerry. Disgusting.
I don't remember Puddinhead mentioning the possibility of Saddam bombing us with corpses. Maybe I missed it.
does Fox find these people. Do all the dorks, goofballs, and nerds grow up to be wing nuts?
How dare you call Mark Williams a wing nut. Williams is supremely qualified and has many accomplishments to his name. You are completely discounting his successful modeling career.
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Where does Fox find these people. Do all the dorks, goofballs, and nerds grow up to be wing nuts? - Lynn
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Yes, along with the skinheads, the pinheads, and the losers.
Ever noticed all the Wingnut flacks on TV all have HUGE foreheads?
Is it genetic?
Only Our Lord Darwin knows for sure...
We still have troops on the ground in Europe, but no one has been shooting at them since VE Day. When the mission was accomplished, we along with the Europeans, rebuilt the devastated cities. No one was exploding car bombs during the reconstruction. There were no militias patrolling the streets killing people with from other religious factions.
to initiate withdrawal, what was Bush on to initiate the invasion?
Let the Iraqis forge their own democracy, we've done more than enough damage. I suggest that if the Iraqis need more help in establishing security, a world peace force should be employed, not just the U.S.. Of course that may be difficult since Bush had the U.S. go it alone, practically, (and permanent bases would be more difficult to establish). (see [link to www.truthout.org] and [link to www.truthout.org] )
All this talk of "creating" democracy in other nations when our own "democracy" has vanished is sickening. Maybe if we left Iraq, they could form a REAL democracy, and then help us do the same.
I know, I know, a theocracy will never lead to a democracy, but neither will the "fascism" that has stolen our current government. We've got such serious problems here in our own country that it might be too late to even turn the tide, and the Bush people know that Iraq keeps our eyes OFF the ball...
..Kerry got the crack from?
His radio show was canceled last month. I'm sure he'll surface somewhere else because we all know there aren't enough nutty conversatives on the radio.
does not permit freedom of character defamation. I recall my civics class in 8th grade, that exact subject was discussed. I don't hear the cooler heads at the GOP putting the brakes on these lost characters.
That's because the GOP is comprised of these lost characters. These lost characters reflect the GOP base.
I guess it's this kind of invective that's meant to intimidate Congresspersons (from either party) from reconsidering their votes on the Iraq invasion resolution...
Which again, is H.J.Res. 114, and which again, states that the president is authorized to use the U.S. Armed Forces...
in order to defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq.
...and so (again!) the 'pre-invasion intelligence' that compelled that invasion, proving all FALSE or FALSIFIED...
the continuing threat posed by Iraq
...is likewise proved FALSE or FALSIFIED.
And not only has this given the great majority of the American People a perfectly understandable reason to reconsider any support they may have had for that invasion (as they have reconsidered; see the polls), so also is it a perfectly understandable reason for any Congressperson (from either party) to likewise reconsider their support of the invasion (as they are; see the politicians).
Actually, it's nothing unusual that anyone, among the American People or among their Congress, should reconsider the invasion of Iraq, in light of Iraq being no National Security threat to the U.S.
What is unusual is that there has been no completion as yet, to an investigation into WHY that 'pre-invasion intelligence' was FALSE or FALSIFIED.
I would think that a perfectly understandable priority (within the power of the Congress) would be to determine the cause of the FALSE or FALSIFIED intelligence furnished to you, before you completely reconsidered any decision you might have made based on that intelligence.
But hey, what's so "perfectly understandable" about anything the present Congress does...
Maybe they're all on crack.
No, check that: There were 23 U.S. Senators and 133 House Members who never voted for the invasion of Iraq, not from day one.
They're most likely not on crack, and most certainly have nothing to reconsider on that matter.
(The radio talk-hack in question was going to imply that the Senator, for his reconsideration of the Iraq invasion, has "got to be on mind-numbing prescription painkillers"; but there is an established heirarchy among radio talk-hacks, and this one didn't want to offend his lord.)
And has anyone heard what Kerry is firing back at these moonbats?? since most of the right wing has never been anywhere near combat, they think they have the right to act like big war people. Well, Kerry just shoved that point right back at them. Now, if only the rest of the Dems would do the same we'd be in business.
to this guy that the genocide for those mass graves that he keeps refering to as WMDs occurred about a dozen years before Bush's invasion of Iraq . A dozen years and an earlier war where the Iraqi troops were destroyed and 12 years of sanctions inflicted on the Iraqi people . A genocide that was able to be committed because the actual WMDs were being supplied by some of the same countries that have invaded . Or perhaps nobody has been able to mention this to him because they can't get a word in edgewise . Is this guy really this stupid or does he know how dishonest his argument is ? I truly wonder . How many people think this guy Mark Williams is : stupid __ dishonest __ both __ neither __
Make public commitments before they have any of the facts. After that it's twisting the facts to fit the position.
What Kerry said is the moral equivalent of, I messed up, I trusted them.
Mark Williams will never be a flip flopper, just a FLOP.
a resemblance to Kermit the frog ?
Where they teach these cretins to lie so blatantly without cracking up. I would imagine that acquiring such a skill would take months of intensive training.
when I read Williams' comment that the U.S. "saved" the Iraqis from genocide and starvation. This tool has no knowledge of history and is engaging in the type of whitewashing that Orwell dreamt of in 1984. The starvation of the Iraqis wasa direct result of U.S. championed and enforced sanctions administered through the U.N. No one was starving in Iraq until the U.S. bombed the country back into the stone age. 500,000 children under the age of five died because the U.S. wouln't led medicines, food, and other medical equipment into the country. The blood is on America's hands.
Furthermore, Williams clearly has no understanding that the U.S. troops have committed several genocidal acts in Iraq, the most egregious of which was their destruction of Fallujah in November of 2004, where the troops' first action was to shut down the only hospital in the city and proceed to prevent men between the ages of 10-40 from leaving, who were then summarily bombed with white phosphorus. Untold thousands of innocent people died.