O'Reilly attributed MSNBC's ratings drop to "karma" and "bad guys [getting] theirs," ignored sinking ratings for Fox News programs, including his own
SUMMARY: Bill O'Reilly attributed Gary Krantz's recent move to step down as president of Air America Radio and Rick Kaplan's decision to leave MSNBC to "karma" and "two bad guys [getting] theirs," saying, "Do bad things, you'll get yours eventually. Do good things, you'll get rewarded."
During the June 27 broadcast of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly asserted that the ratings of competing cable news network MSNBC are attributable to "karma," explaining, "Do bad things, you'll get yours eventually. Do good things, you'll get rewarded." Identifying former MSNBC president Rick Kaplan as one of the "bad guys who got theirs" and pointing out that MSNBC's ratings are "lower than they were six years ago," O'Reilly asserted that Kaplan "has left after pretty much destroying that place." However, O'Reilly did not mention, let alone assess the karmic implications of, the second quarter ratings of 2006 showing a drop in viewers for every show on his own Fox News Channel, including an eight-percent drop in total viewers for the Factor and an 11-percent drop in Factor viewers in the 25-54 demographic. From Mediabistro's TV Newser weblog:
Fox News Channel lost viewers across the board in the second quarter of 2006. The network dropped 19 percent in the demo and 5 percent among total viewers compared to the same quarter in 2005. The quarter-to-quarter drops are also notable, and they're demonstrated in the chart below.
"Early prime" programs were the biggest losers. Your World and Big Story are down 15 percent in the demo. Special Report is down 24 percent. Fox Report is down 19 percent. The total viewer losses are almost as bad.
Quarter-to-quarter numbers can and do fluctuate. But the fact that every program, from 7am to 11pm, lost viewers in the second quarter helps explain why Roger Ailes is on the warpath.
From the June 27 broadcast of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
O'REILLY: Time now for the "most ridiculous item of the day." If you've read any of my books, you know I believe in karma: Do bad things, you'll get yours eventually. Do good things, you'll be rewarded. Recently, two bad guys got theirs. Air America has fired its president, Gary Krantz. The disastrous radio network booted him out on the heels of the removal of CEO Danny Goldberg. We believe there is major chaos at that far left concern. There's also major chaos at MSNBC, where Rick Kaplan has left after pretty much destroying that place. He did the same thing at CNN before he got fired over there. Closing in on its 10th anniversary, MSNBC's ratings are lower than they were six years ago, which might be ridiculous.
He may be losing the 25 to 54 group, but his ratings in the under five pound small animal group are way up. I guess he is really popular with American short-hair dogs because they get to relieve themselves indoors (often directly on the TV screen while Bill is on-air) and their owners don't seem to mind too much.
Good job Bill...
O'Reilly has become a caricature of himself. How could anyone in his right mind blather on about the declining ratings of his competitors while his own ratings are dropping? Oh wait, I answered my own question. I wonder how karma will repay Bill for a career of lying and hate mongering?
The only thing that's fallen farther than this guy's ratings, is his reputation.
He's as charming as coulter, he has as much credilblity as... as any other spokesman for the RNC...
And as for his popularity...
If a room full of people at a party were just told "Hey, guess who's driving over together to join us... Michael Jackson, O.J. Simpson, and Bill O'Reilly!"
...the folks would all start looking for their coats and hats, and collectively groan "Oh no, not Bill O'Reilly?"
Cheney's #'s are so low he can't do the limbo under them. But you won't hear that from the mouth of Goebbel's global news network. (if you are a fan of the 3rd reich cd game, you'll get that!)
1- At least 15 people will post and say "Bill is loosing it" because apparently anyone who disagrees with your point of view 'must be crazy'... even when you claim your point of view is the truth, not an opinion.
2- About 8 people will say that Obey is doing so much better, and that Bill is getting scared.
3- Over 18 people will say it's because he's a "right-wing hack," even though they've never actually watched his program, and only read about him in articles by authors who openly hate him.
But here's the problem. You're all wrong.
Even if Bill looses some points here and there, his numbers are so high it doesn't really matter. Take 3 jellybeans out of a jar of 1000... there's still a lot of candy. Unlike Obey... whose ratings jump up when the family dog walks in the room because there are only the 8 people watching to begin with... and the drunk and/or high ones don't count.
Oh, and one more prediction- This article will be up for about another hour, until the script you gave Sportscenter makes it back onto your website.
Textbook "STRAW MAN" technique. Are you taking classes?
that think they know everything and act paternalistic. And until now your guesses have been dead wrong. Next time better? I doubt it.
You may think O'Reilly's ratings are fine, but his network almost certainly does not (that's why Roger Ailes put his FNC staff on notice - those who's shows don't carry their weight could be out of a job). Viewer ratings for a show are used to set advertising rates; the higher the show's viewership, the higher the ad rates. So, with O'Reilly's falling viewership, FNC must lower its ad rates, hence, it is losing money. As ad rates are set in advance, based on predicted viewership, if the ratings come in lower than expected, the network may have to reimburse its advertisers, either by giving them free air time, or selling future air time at a discounted rate.
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Compare the P2+ for O'Reilly (8pm ET) and Olbermann, and the ratio is 7.48!
But he mischaracterized his competition while ignoring himself. Several MSNBC shows are going up in ratings, while across the board, Fox is losing viewers. Certainly, Fox is ahead, and O'Reilly is ahead of Olbermann, but that wasn't the point of O'Reilly's little talk (or previous talks) - it was that they were headed in the wrong direction, and that clearly is not the case, and certainly not when compared to his show and his network.
Wow! 7.48! What does that mean and who cares?
It means that for every 2 viewers Olbermann had, O'Reilly had 15.
As others will surely point out, the disparity is not as great for the "money demo", but the MSNBC numbers are so low that cable companies might want to move it off basic cable to a higher level. Dish network has now set up a "family" grouping as its lowest price point that includes Fox News and CNN Headline news, but omits the two NBC cable news networks, CNBC and MSNBC.
If cable companies do either, MSNBC numbers will fall off even more.
but I was being sarcastic. I don't give a rat's behind what O'Reillys ratings are compared to any other pundit. The man's still a divisive traitor and should be shot between the eyes. (that's my attempt at Anne Coulter style humor)
---"[O'Reilly's] numbers are so high it doesn't really matter."---
Never high enough to beat a cartoon sponge, however.
Are you serious?! This has been my mistake all along. I figured you guys were getting your news from... you know... news places, or at least someone pretending to be a reporter... not Spongebob.
That's why Obey does well with you guys... he uses puppets and shiny things.
Ok, enough mean... here's the truth: Spongebob is a cartoon, not a news program. You cannot accurately compare ratings from a cartoon, with a cable news program. Kinda like comparing the sales of 'Mop & Glow,' with the sales of 'Wheat Thins' in a supermarket.
Just because two things are on television, that's not enough to make them competitors. Also... if Bill is loosing out to Spongebob... he's still the top rated CABLE NEWS program... so that means EVERYONE ELSE IN CABLE NEWS is loosing too.
You actually did serious analysis in response to a joke? Somebody needs a sense of humor injection.
BTW, Bull O'Loofa is funnier than Sponge Bob.
[I do watch him, so item 3 from your earlier post is bogus.]
boy, immadolt really needs to get laid LOL!
..I must disagree with you!
Spongebob is a cartoon.
O'Reilly is a commentator.
They both have nothing to do with news. PERIOD.
a cold hearted and evil cartoon.
I applaud your willingness to limit comparisons to LIKE products.
With that in mind, care to tell us how well O'Reilly is faring in comparison to other news programs on the air?
Most cable and satellite services have the "main" networks as part of the service, so their viewers have a "choice" as to news providers.
On election night, I recall the three "bigs" -- NBC, CBS, ABC -- had an audience of about 40 million viewers. This is the top "POLITICS" night to track viewership, so let's see how O'Reilly fared in that competition: at most only 8 million viewers.
Hmmm. O'Reilly "informs" less than 25% of viewers of news, in a heads-up with only the three network channels. If you add CNN, MSNBC, and other outlets with audience (including the Comedy Channel), O'Reilly's percentage slides even lower.
So, that's "success" in the FOX NEWS business: The biggest of small fish in a small pond. Way to go, BillO!
You can't really compare CABLE news, with BROADCAST news... just like you can't compare shows that only come on satellite with shows that are on broadcast cable.
They're under the same header of "News" or "Politics," but different sub categories.
As an example... because I'm hungry... kinda like comparing sales of apple pies and chocolate chip cookies in a bakery. Perhaps it would be better to compare apple pies to other pies, and cookies to cookies. They're all desserts... but that's a bit broad.
Good try though... you get an 'A' for effort.
Come on now. O'Liar does a 2 rating. Spongebog does a 4 -4.5 every single day of the week. O'liar gets spanked by a Sponge (not a loofah unfortunately for his sake) and you can't deny that. Its not a mattare of who O'Liar's competitors are; its a matter of perspective. A 2 rating is bad crabby patty in comp[arison to what regular shows do on cable. The log splitting championships of the northwest on the Deuce (that's ESPN 2 for you right wing dorks that think Lush Rimjob actually knows something about sports) garner a 1 rating in the middle of the day. You wanna crow about O'liar's 2 compared to Obey's .5. What is the difference? They are both low in relation to eveything else that's out there on cable. Its like the crackhead with 10 bucks in his pocket bustin' on the crackhead with 5 bucks in his pocket for being a broke crackhead. The bottom line is they are both on crack and neither has an cash!
In case you forgot what the topic WAS, its basically why does Billy O'falfel lie so much
It's almost 9"00 am EST and I'm just now reading this item about O'Reilly.
GOAWAY
We wouldn't post that, because most of us know the difference between "loose" and "lose." If you're gonna put words in our mouths, at least spell 'em right.
(Sorry, but that's a HUGE personal annoyance, along with choose and chose. And no, it's not just Right Wingers who make that mistake.)
This is serious, and not sarcastic... My spelling sucks... I do try hard, but it sucks.
But if you think character and or intelligence is based on a person's ability to spell... than you and your elitist crossworders can find a four letter place starting with H to go.
Give me a Suduku problem any day.
no worries there notblue, I write all the time and I still have little hang ups like theirs and theres. The fingers are faster than the brain sometimes.
... and when he said this:
"O'REILLY: Time now for the "most ridiculous item of the day." If you've read any of my books, you know I believe in karma: Do bad things, you'll get yours eventually. Do good things, you'll be rewarded. Recently, two bad guys got theirs. "
I actually expected him to talk about "bad guys". I guess I should know by now, but I was quite shocked when the two "bad guys" had done nothing worse than been president and CEO respectively of AA and MSNB. I guess that counts as being bad in Billo's world. What a sad man he is.
Why Media Matters is defending MSNBC is beyond me.
Its the home of the Misinformer of the Year in Chris Matthews
Its the home of Scarborough who loves to lie
Its the home of the repulsive Tucker Carlson- do I need to say more? The hateful Imus who calls Senator Clinton "satan"
We all know MM Loves to defend Olbermann. I will say nothing about that, people who have read my post know how I feel about him.
Bottom line- If Tucker Carlson or Imus started to attack BO my feeling is Media Matters would support them.
MSNBC has about as much credibility as FOX. None.
---"Why Media Matters is defending MSNBC is beyond me.'"---
This item is about O'Reilly and how he is ignoring his own falling ratings.
Furthermore, none of the people you name -Matthews, Scarborough, Imus or Carlson -is mentioned in this item. Those people have, however, been cited for misinformation DOZENS of times on this web site. It seems you're not paying attention.
MSNBC now looks and sounds so much like Fox News that the only show I watch on MSNBC is Countdown -- every night.
I keep wondering when MSNBC's going to cancel Keith, since he obviously doesn't fit the pattern of the rest of their hosts. The decline of Hardball since November 2004 has been particularly sad to see. I expect little from hacks like Joe and Tucker, but I once had a lot of respect for Chris.
And, whatever happened to Bill Press?
amen brother, only in spades. that is why msnbc is failing. with their tilt to the right they have become "fox light". why watch them when you can have the real thing. but they will never change cause they are owned by g.e. the boss needs defense contracts to survive so they care not about ratings so long as they get the conracts. that is whats wrong with cross ownership. the boss controls the media content and assures us that it will not change. abrams will be gone in a year or so but the content will remain far right of center.
arguing with a defense attorney.
On the subject of The Oxymoron getting busted with a phony scrip of viagra:
"If the average person got caught at the airport with prescription drugs with someone elses name on the bottle, the cops wouldn't call the media."(paraphrased)
No Shiite, Bucko! Yer average person does something dumb, or has a "problem", they get thrown in the can or pay a fine.
Rich famous person does the same thing, their lawyer keeps them outta jail, the fines nothing to them, but they get in the paper.
And if you've made a career preaching morals and values, then while on probation for hoarding narcotics for your habit,you get busted vacationing in a major sex-tourism country with an illegal Viagra prescription, you just might learn the meaning of "karma"
Life sure is unfair for rich repugs.
It's clear that Billo needs to calm down. Why attack Air America and MSNBC, Billo? Because your arch-enemies - the tag team of Franken and Olbermann - happen to do humanity a great service for calling out your BS? BTW, did anyone happen to catch KO's rebuttal to this thing? Priceless.
After a year in which the KC Chiefs lost a million dollars a reporter asked the KC owner what he was going to do. His answer...in about 100 years I'll be broke.
O'Reilly better wake up and smell the coffee because the juggernaut hosted by Olbermann is on pace to catch him in about 12 years...talk about bad karma.
---"O'Reilly better wake up and smell the coffee because the juggernaut hosted by Olbermann is on pace to catch him in about 12 years...talk about bad karma."---
A right-winger's priority: touting ratings, ignoring the documented lies.
His ratings are cause for embarassment, his viewers among the great misinformed.
Someone really should pass Bill a bottle of Liquid Plumber so he can take a swallow and perhaps push down some of the crap that keeps coming out of his mouth.
Although I am not a big fan of MSNBC with the exception of Keith Ohlberman, I have to at least give them credit for ridding themselves of malicious jerks like O'reilly rather than create an entire news service specializing in such sick drivel. MSNBC fired Michael Savage within a day of his telling a caller who happen to disagree with him to "Get Aids and die, Faggot!" They try to remember they are a news service and not a ignorant shouting match channel that caters to the lowest common denominator of listener and broadcaster.
Oh, and one more prediction- This article will be up for about another hour, until the script you gave Sportscenter makes it back onto your website.
- imnotblue / Wednesday June 28, 2006 09:03:53 PM EST - Reply to this comment
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Nah, just clueless, corrupt and unAmerican.
Gee, I hope you're a better fortune teller than cheney.
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA, what did he say that was not true? Are the people at Morons Matters saying that Fox news ratings are in the toilet? Well lets see:
"In April 2006, CNN sent out a press release stating that Fox's viewership of adults between the ages of 25 and 54 had dropped over a period of six months (to a total drop of over 58%).Fox still held eight of the ten most-watched nightly cable news shows, with The O'Reilly Factor and Hannity & Colmes coming in first and second places, respectively. Since then Fox's ratings have surged."
Well normally the liberals are satisfied when the democrats bairly loose elections, so i guess that the fact that Fox news have the number 1 and 2 rated shows is a bad thing.
---"Are the people at Morons Matters saying that Fox news ratings are in the toilet?"---
No, no that's not what they said. No doubt it took an all-night, toilet-sitting brainstorming session before emerging with "Morons Matters", therefore we'll save you the strain of re-reading. It says:
"... the second quarter ratings of 2006 showing a drop in viewers for every show on his own Fox News Channel, including an eight-percent drop in total viewers for the Factor and an 11-percent drop in Factor viewers in the 25-54 demographic."
Winter Book [Jan-Mar 2006] from ARBITRON shows AIR AMERICA in New York City losing more than a third of its audience -- in the past year!
Among all listeners 12+, it was a race to the bottom for AIR AMERICA and WLIB as mid-days went from a 1.6 share during winter 2005 to a 1.0 share winter 2006.
During PM drive, host Randi Rhodes plunged to 27,900 listeners every quarter hour, finishing 25th place in her time slot, down from 60,900 listeners every quarter hour in the fall.
Yikes...more bad karma.
I hear Bill O claim every two weeks that Air America won't last another. I see neo cons gleefully talking about it's inevitable demise and ratings free fall. Yet, it's still there, it's still selling commercials and still making money and competeing with neo con talkers across the country and beating them in many markets. Including where I live, Denver. The Air America phenomenon is quite amazing actually. They sell a format versus just one show. I cringe when I hear it's having trouble as I believe the misinformation that has been and is being perpetuated by the right wing hate merchants needs to be counter balanced with something. I did hear that They are losing their flag ship station in NYC, but ar emoving to another. I also know that conservative wing nuts have been buying up radio stations to keep Air America and other liberal talkers from being aired. Conservatism has been a thorn in our side our entire history. I'd liek nothing more than to see O'Reilly, Hannity and the rest tried for treason and sent to Guantanomo, but alas there are plenty of soft minded people out there who are more than eager to swallow the bile that comes from the mouths of these a**holes.
streaming and podcasting through their premium service.
People still listen to AM? Wow.
aa is not growing, selling ads or making money...take a gander.
- In Washington, DC, the eighth-largest radio market, Air America affiliate WWRC-AM failed to generate any measurable audience figures.
- Tenth-ranked Atlanta saw its AAR station, WWAA-AM, take second-to-last place, for a 0.5 overall audience share. The station is soon expected to drop its liberal format.
- In Boston, now 11th-biggest, AAR's two combined AM stations also took a 0.5, to tie for second-to-last among all listeners 12 and older.
- KXXT-AM/ Phoenix's (#15) last book before converting to religious programming saw Air America's programming fall from 1.2, to a 0.7 overall figure.
- In San Diego (#17), ratings for AAR station KLSD-AM collapsed, from a healthy 3.1 in the Fall 2005 Arbitron Ratings Survey to a 1.6 now.
- KKZN/ Denver (#22), despite featuring a live and local morning show, continued its long slide. Over the past four quarterly periods, KKZN has dropped from a 2.0 to a 1.4.
Your assertions are all wet. They are not growing...just check the ratings. They are not selling ads...just check their financials. They are not making money...just being propped up by liberal sugar daddies donations. They are not beating conservative talk in many markets...get back to me when you can back that up with something besides hot air.
You should cringe when you hear of their troubles...because it's true.
Where DO you get such numbers? Do you have access to Arbitron or whatever? Not being snide. I've always wanted to see a "book" or whatever they're called.
Use this address...radiodailynews.com/arbs. Tons of ratings info.
Thanks for checking the Arbitron database.
I have been puzzled about the confidence AAR has in staying on the air in NYC, even though it has been reported widely that they only have 2 months to go on WLIB.
Have you read anything about what station will pick them up? Have they applied for some low power translator or something?
Try this site...it has a lot of great info on the perils of air america and other media news.
air america is a failed proposition except for the deep pockets of the far left donations and being able to steal from children's clubs.
No amount of spin can change the facts.
---"No amount of spin can change the facts."---
Here's a couple of factual numbers for you:
2,500, and 38. One represents dead American kids. The other, the approval rating of George Bush-the man responsible for both figures.
Some people are preoccupied with radio ratings, as if it's the end-all and be-all. The rest of us worry about more important things.
is far left? Why do you want to see liberal talk radio fail so badly? Do you fear competition or the truth?
No wonder you sound so nuts. you are. These people have an irrational fear of an educated populace.
No wonder you sound so nuts. you are. These people have an irrational fear of an educated populace. The format has been on the air for a couple few years, I'm willing to bet it'll be around long after Limpbaugh has been in jail.
Bu tI listen to the shows and hear the ads. Clearchannel actually "props" them up. They have a big stake in the format. Maybe they are losing money, maybe they are sliding in the ratings I don't know for sure. But I wouldn't putmuch stock in industry numbers from an industry that's been hostile to AirAmerica from day one. I have a simple excuse for an lag in the ratings though, their market, liberals, don't listen to the radio like conservatives do. But it has had an impact on the political landscape as I hear more and more Republicans and conservatives call in talking about how dissapointed they are with their party. There were plenty more who call up and shout profanities at the host, becuase liberal shows don't screen out the other side.
More bad karma for air america. It looks like Janeane Garofalo is getting the gate.
- A casualty of low ratings, extreme revenue shortfalls, weird on-air behavior and the network's overall poor health, Garofalo's downfall is especially embarrassing considering that as a quasi- Hollywood star, she was once considered a key Air America selling point...this report from radioequalizer.
I can't wait to hear more lame duck excuses about the demise of air america.
and if you are so smart why do you hang around here?
Both Imnotblue and Naylor seem incapable of spelling a simple word like "lose" correctly.
We clearly need brighter neocons around here.
"We clearly need brighter neocons around here."
Don't hold your breath. A mule will win the triple crown first.
First of all --there are no cable "News" Shows on Fox. Its opion entertainment and should thus be compared with entertainment channels on cable. Here again Spongebob return with a vengance as the SPonge garners a 4-4.5 rating every single day to O'Liar's 2. Paintball on ESPN classic does almost a 1 rating so in comarison Fox's top rated 2 is equally anemic.
A low budget movie became a surprise HIT some years ago. It was about a Vietnam Vet who came back home and kicked ass on local bad guys, using martial arts and expertise with weapons. "Billy Jack" had a subplot, that Billy was an American Indian, and was protecting "his people".
Tom Laughlin played Billy, and his surprise success enabled a sequel to Billy Jack, and Tom thought he knew the formula for SUCCESS: The suppressed INDIAN aspect was the key. So his sequel was a long and tedius preachy expose and outrage about the plight of native Americans. It flopped badly. Why? Because TOM miscalculated what made his first movie a HIT: The ACTION and the ASS KICKING.
It's the same at FOX. What made them an initial SUCCESS on cable? The flashy blondes, the flashy graphics, the tabloid jumping around from "hard" news to pop culture rumor and sizzle. Naked women as often as possible, and offhand opinions offered as if we were all just a bunch of pals yakking in a bar.
It was a NEW LOOK for "news", and FOX attracted an audience. But what has their success told Roger Ailes? Like Tom Laughlin, Ailes has MISCALCULATED the actual reason for the success. Ailes believes that it is the cutthroat rightwing attack politics which is the hit (Tom thought it was the political aspect as well). So as FOX evolves, Ailes' sequel has become a long and tedius preachy expose and outrage about the plight of Native Republicans.
As the numbers show, Ailes' miscalculation is having the predictable effect: viewership is falling. It's an OLD story, the bimbo who longs to be taken as a serious actor. FOX is the bimbo of "news" coverage, and longs to be taken seriously as legitimate reporting.
Nobody cares; we're here for the blondes. And as you pump up the ideological tirades, Ailes, it bleeds off interest.
However, I would tend to think of the graphics and tsking over naked women as bacon, which they wrapped around the bitter pill of their right-wing hate. Dumb Americans were supposed to gobble up the whole thing without noticing.
To some extent it worked and the right has been able to get a lot of Americans to agree with them. Explaining the drop in viewership would be difficult without further information. Are Americans getting tired of the politics of hate, or do they just want more bacon?
Check this link:
[link to insidecable.blogsome.com]
- this was the 3rd month in a row that Countdown’s numbers dropped. Countdown has dropped 17% in the Demo and 19% in Total Viewers since April - MISSOURISHOWME link
Ye gods...does the bad karma ever stop?
O'Reilly's viewership is problematic not because it makes he or Ailes or Murdoch money. More power to them. Instead it's troublesome because it means that there's a chunk of people being shoveled his manure every night and believing it. This site documents, over and over again, his lying and distorting and general dishonest with nary a wimper from the cons who are at a loss to defend him. So what are your left with? His ratings. So, you're celebrating that more people are being fed garbage. How is that changing the fact that it's garbage?
Olbermann could have one viewer and that wouldn't change the fact that he's right on the money and doesn't lie like those at Fox News. Your reliance on ratings
Right like, right wing maybe. Bill has been misrepresenting ratings, his own and others for years. Air America has closed up shop about 15 different times according to this jack ass. Nice graph, who cares?
You're right...
I forgot that MM editors party late, and don't wake up until their mom calls them from the basement to eat lunch... give it a few more hours...
- imnotblue / Thursday June 29, 2006 09:13:00 AM EST - Reply to this comment
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No, but you do blow. It's always nice to hear from nitwit nation and get the ignorant white trash perspective.
Just how is Air America doing? Is it doing better than Bill alleges?
of course since unlike Limpboy and O'Liely they do not buy their way into markets, every one they pick up counts (to me anyway) double.
you want to talk about failing ratings?
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA, what did he say that was not true? Are the people at Morons Matters saying that Fox news ratings are in the toilet? Well lets see:
"In April 2006, CNN sent out a press release stating that Fox's viewership of adults between the ages of 25 and 54 had dropped over a period of six months (to a total drop of over 58%).Fox still held eight of the ten most-watched nightly cable news shows, with The O'Reilly Factor and Hannity & Colmes coming in first and second places, respectively. Since then Fox's ratings have surged."
Well normally the liberals are satisfied when the democrats bairly loose elections, so i guess that the fact that Fox news have the number 1 and 2 rated shows is a bad thing.
- c.naylor4828 / Thursday June 29, 2006 07:51:17 AM EST - Reply to this comment /
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Yeah, you're right, advertisers don't care about that 25-54 demographic. It's not like they've got much purchasing power or they're open to new ideas and new products. Yeah, they'd much rather have that nice, stable, loyal geezer audience that comprises boron's morons. Dead people don't tend to channel surf much, but knowing boron's audience, I wouldn't be surprised if they did wear plaid.
NEW DEMOCRAT LIBERAL
Just how is Air America doing? Is it doing better than Bill alleges?
- lamberthml5354 / Thursday June 29, 2006 09:55:27 AM EST - Reply to this comment
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Probably as well if not better than right wing rubbish radio was doing at this point in their history, but if they had a dollar for every time one of boron's morons said they were dead and gone, the guys in the mail room could get new Porsches. That wouldn't suck.
If karma acted in the same primitive way BO suggests he would be in Cocytus--the ninth circle of hell in Dantes inferno. This is the deepest level of hell, where the fallen angel Satan himself resides. His wings flap eternally, producing chilling cold winds that freeze the thick ice found in Cocytus. The three faces of Satan, black, red, and yellow, can be seen with mouths gushing bloody foam and eyes forever weeping, as they chew on the three traitors, Judas, Brutus, and Cassius. This place is furthest removed from the source of all light and warmth. Sinners here are frozen deep in the ice, faces out, eyes and mouths frozen shut. Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in this frigid pit of despair. Finally his skin would be scrubbed to the bone with a million luffas. He certainly has the qualifications. If interested in the Circles of Hell depicted in Dante's Inferno (from where this was lifted--well all except the luffas) see: Dante's Inferno Test
How did O'Reilly ever get on TV with that face? That is one ugly dude.
MSNBC is losing it
Why Media Matters is defending MSNBC is beyond me.
Its the home of the Misinformer of the Year in Chris Matthews
Its the home of Scarborough who loves to lie
Its the home of the repulsive Tucker Carlson- do I need to say more? The hateful Imus who calls Senator Clinton "satan"
We all know MM Loves to defend Olbermann. I will say nothing about that, people who have read my post know how I feel about him.
Bottom line- If Tucker Carlson or Imus started to attack BO my feeling is Media Matters would support them.
MSNBC has about as much credibility as FOX. None.
- jlyon / Wednesday June 28, 2006 10:18:22 PM EST - Reply to this comment / Flag this comment
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Wingnut "logic", ya gotta love it.
Hey, I love my dog and if any of the scum you mentioned comes out in favor of puppies, I'm going to keep her just the same. They can have their broken clock moment.
"They can have their broken clock moment"
That's a great one!!! LOL
most excellent choice of words!!
Definitely have to remember that for an appropriate situation.
dead men don't channel surf
you want to talk about failing ratings?
"In April 2006, CNN sent out a press release stating that Fox's viewership of adults between the ages of 25 and 54 had dropped over a period of six months (to a total drop of over 58%).Fox still held eight of the ten most-watched nightly cable news shows, with The O'Reilly Factor and Hannity & Colmes coming in first and second places, respectively. Since then Fox's ratings have surged."
Well normally the liberals are satisfied when the democrats bairly loose elections, so i guess that the fact that Fox news have the number 1 and 2 rated shows is a bad thing.
- c.naylor4828 / Thursday June 29, 2006 07:51:17 AM EST - Reply to this comment /
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA, what did he say that was not true? Are the people at Morons Matters saying that Fox news ratings are in the toilet? Well lets see:
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Everything.
Nah, but they are heading in opposite directions. Clearly, if people are in the market for fake news, they prefer TDS and the Colbert Report. Evidently, just because faux is a joke, doesn't mean people find it funny or informative.
What is it with the semi-literates on this board?
Both Imnotblue and Naylor seem incapable...
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You had them at incapable. 'Nuff Said. There's no need to elaborate. I'm sure they'll be happy to fill in the blanks.
Careful what you wish for Bill- karma, it is a b*tch, and you got a bunch coming your way.
Not the positive kind either.
Karma is Rush Limbaugh getting busted, again. Karma is when Cheney has a heart attack. Karma happened to Bill O'Reilly when he mistook a loofah for a falafel. Unfortunately they were able to cheat karma. But for how long. Many true Republicans and conservatives have gotten sick of these idiots. Many more will follow. The big mistake is the truth to popularity ratio that is applied to these yaps. They speak to the lowest common denominator. The most ignorant of the electorate. No amount of ratings speak will change that. Intelligent people listen to Air America and tune out the likes of the Fox Smear Machine and their faithful side kick Rush Limpbaugh. I believe in karma and eventually it will even things out. (or we are doomed)
...as support for the "war" in Iraq fades and these Faux News blowhards keep spouting their unflagging support for it and the inept administration behind it, the viewers are even recognizing the amount of pure BS.
I watch Fox from time to time to see what the other side is saying and to be honest, Hannity, O' Reilly AND their guests come across as more bufoonish, and cartoonish everytime I see them. They used to make me angry...now they make me laugh! I think the average viewer sees it too.
Fox New Channel's have dropppe over 20% during the last year,maybe the wingnuts are finally waking up to O'Reilly's and Hannoty's lies!!
I know it's Hannity.My fingers are faster than I thought!
That with a "network" like FOX News a 19% in the 25-54 demographic drop would be of some concern.
And for those who want to compare "wingnut radio" to Air America, I just ask - how long did it take "wingnut radio" to garner an audience that allowed for it's growth? Why are a lot of the stations still stuck on AM anyway? I personally couldn't stand the lack of anything to listen to in my region (save for NPR and even that now is seemingly going over to the 'cons) so I subscribed to Sirius. I joined up after Air America left to go over to XM I guess - LOL, but they have a channel with a few Left/liberal etc.. hosts. Bill Press has a show on there, as do The Young Turks (whom Mr Limbaugh has had some commentary on interesting ly enough).
If MSNBC and CNN are going to be FOX News-lites, I would expect their ratings to be dropping as well. Olbermann aside, I found myself highly dissapointed with MSNBC when the killed Phil Donahue's show (and it wasn't because of ratings) and CNN - well.. all I have to say about them is Glenn Beck (YECHHH!!!) I watched all of 5 minutes of one of his shows and said to myself, "They have got to be kidding!"
I won't be weeping if their (MSNBC & CNN) ratings tank as well considering the pimping of the right that they're engaged in to try and compete with FOX News..
Very astute observation as usual. CNN and MSNBC are targeting Fox’s audience. It was a dumb move on their part, don't they realize that there is a limited number of right wing ideologues to go around. They’ve written off a large portion of what was their viewing audiences. The only shows I watch REGULARLY on CNN and MSNBC now are Olbermann, and Anderson Cooper; but I get most of my broadcast political news now from C-Span. Boy do I love the morning call-ins. I also listen to Jerry Springer on the Radio, Al Franken, and Rhandi Rhodes regularly; but I verify everything I hear on those shows with traditional sources.