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Horowitz baselessly suggested that domestic spying led to foiling of NYC tunnel plot

July 11, 2006 6:18 pm ET

SUMMARY: In his latest column, David Horowitz baselessly suggested that U.S. officials were able to uncover an alleged "attack by radical Islam" to bomb tunnels leading into New York City by monitoring the communications of Americans, an apparent reference to the controversy over The New York Times' reporting in December that the administration was monitoring domestic communications without a warrant. In fact, there is no indication, in any reports, that the FBI engaged in the kind of domestic eavesdropping on which the Times reported to uncover the alleged tunnel plot; the communications made in connection with the purported plot apparently did not involve a party inside the United States.

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In his July 10 column, titled "Liberals Offer the Worst Possible Defense for the U.S," right-wing activist David Horowitz baselessly suggested that U.S. officials uncovered an alleged "attack by radical Islam" to bomb tunnels leading into New York City by monitoring the communications of Americans. With the claim that the FBI was "listening in on an Internet chat room -- thus invading Americans' privacy," Horowitz was apparently referring to the enormous controversy generated by reports, initially published by The New York Times, for which the paper received the Pulitzer prize, that the Bush administration was monitoring the communications of people in the United States without a warrant, in apparent violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Horowitz asserted that the supposed foiled plot shows the danger of "American radicals posing as civil liberties activists ... busily leaking national security secrets" to the media. In fact, as Media Matters for America has noted, there is no indication, in any reports, that the FBI engaged in the kind of domestic eavesdropping on which the Times reported to uncover the alleged tunnel plot; the communications made in connection with the purported plot apparently did not involve a party inside the United States.

Additionally, Horowitz deceptively claimed that, in 2004, President Bush was "returned ... to the presidency by a wider popular margin than any Democratic President has received since 1964" and falsely asserted that Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) "proclaim[ed] America the world's greatest threat to the peace."

On July 7, the New York Daily News reported on the arrest of Assem Hammoud (also known as Amir Andalousli) for allegedly conspiring to launch a terrorist attack in New York City with the hopes of flooding the city's Financial District. Hammoud was arrested in Beirut, Lebanon. In a July 7 press conference, FBI assistant director Mark J. Mershon clarified that Hammoud allegedly plotted with other would-be terrorists to, as the Los Angeles Times reported, "blow up commuter train tunnels beneath the Hudson River that connect Lower Manhattan and New Jersey." As the Los Angeles Times noted, during the press conference, Mershon criticized the disclosure of Hammoud's arrest, reporting "that authorities had not planned to disclose Hammoud's arrest or other elements of the plot disruption, and that the unwanted publicity had 'greatly complicated' efforts to catch the five remaining fugitives." Two other unknown, alleged co-conspirators have been detained in relation to the terrorism plot.

While accusing Democrats, liberals, and leftists for "betray[ing] national security," engaging in "hate America" political warfare, and otherwise undermining democracy, Horowitz baselessly suggested that Hammoud's arrest involved surveillance of the communications of Americans. From his column:

In another, FBI agents listening in on an Internet chat room -- thus invading Americans' privacy and "destroying" their constitutional liberties -- managed to prevent a new 9/11 attack by radical Islam on the tunnel under the Hudson River that carries millions of commuters to New York to work.

Later in the column, he wrote:

The launching the North Korean missiles and the foiling of the terror plot in New York can serve as a warning and a wake-up call. Reasonable people can disagree about the extent to which disaffected citizens should be monitored by law enforcement and counter-terrorism agencies. But the way to resolve these differences is not by breaking the law, revealing national secrets and sabotaging the war effort.

In December 2005, The New York Times reported that shortly after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Bush authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on international phone and email communications that originate from or are received within the United States without regard to the warrant requirements provided under FISA.

However, as Media Matters previously noted, there is no indication that the FBI obtained intelligence from domestic communications to thwart the alleged plot. All three detained in relation to the alleged plot appear to be foreign nationals, not Americans. The only suspect identified, Hammoud, was Lebanese and has been accused of masterminding the plot. The Chicago Tribune reported on July 8, that, in his press conference, Mershon asserted that "the plot was disrupted thanks to what" the FBI "described as a 'textbook' cooperative effort among counterterrorism officials in the United States, Lebanon and five other foreign governments." Neither intelligence officials nor the media have reported that any of the surveillance involved the interception of domestic communications. In fact, according to reports, none of the alleged conspirators are known to have even visited the United States as part of the alleged plot. Hammoud is known to have traveled to the United States once, six years ago, but -- as noted by the Los Angeles Times -- "authorities had found no connections between the visit and any alleged terrorist activity or planning."

Also in his column, Horowitz deceptively claimed that Bush's 2004 re-election "ratified" the Iraq war and "the policy that governed it" because "the American people ... returned George Bush to the presidency by a wider popular margin than any Democratic President has received since 1964." In fact, while Bush did receive a larger percentage of the total vote than any Democrat has since 1964, in both 1992 and 1996, Bill Clinton defeated his Republican opponent by at least twice as many votes as Bush defeated Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) in 2004. That year, Bush beat Kerry by approximately 3 million votes, but Clinton defeated Republican candidate Bob Dole by more than 8 million votes in 1996. Clinton also had a "wider popular margin" in his 1992 candidacy than did Bush in 2004, beating his closest challenger by nearly 6 million votes.

Further, Horowitz repeated a debunked claim that Murtha "proclaim[ed] America the world's greatest threat to the peace," thus undermining "our troops [that] are in harm's way." Horowitz was presumably referring to a South Florida Sun-Sentinel article from June 25 -- which the paper corrected on June 28 -- that reported on Murtha's supposed claim, during a speech in Miami, that the "American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran." But, as Media Matters noted, according to the Sun-Sentinel's June 28 correction, Murtha was apparently citing a recent Pew Research Center poll covering the United States and 14 European, African, and Asian countries, which found that respondents in 10 of the 14 foreign countries polled said that the U.S. presence in Iraq is seen as a greater threat to global security than North Korea and Iran. Many media conservatives used the initial report as fodder to launch vicious attacks against Murtha or even suggest that Congress should censure him.

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    • Author by mjh (July 11, 2006 6:40 pm ET)
         

      You've already been debunked once on this site . . . which you admitted to. Quit trying to save your rep by jumping on the Rush Limpballs bandwagon.

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    • Author by tex (July 11, 2006 6:52 pm ET)
         

      ... and is not talking out his butt, about WHO is being monitored by WHICH program and WHEN ...

      Then he needs to be subpeonaed by a Congressional oversight committee, to tell all he knows.

      Because, you know what? NOBODY knows who and what and where these programs are monitoring. IT'S KEPT SECRET! Dave doesn't know, I don't know, and nobody among WE THE PEOPLE are allowed to know. Congress will be fed with an eyedropper, so Bush can say he "briefed" them, but they are told only as little as Bush thinks will keep them off his back.

      Bottom line: Horowitz is saying with certainty things he could now possibly know. In other words, he's LYING.

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    • Author by holly (July 11, 2006 7:00 pm ET)
         

      ...the White House and foil some of their plots.

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    • Author by oscar the grouch (July 11, 2006 8:25 pm ET)
         

      made by Davy could be true and the US Government would be violating our rights again!! Or were these chat rooms set up for only foreign visitors and if so, how were we able to gain access??

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      • Author by fantagor (July 12, 2006 11:15 am ET)
           

        That all you have to say to debunk the domestic spying bull. It's a chat room. It's WIDE OPEN to the public, which includes the government. No need to violate anyone's rights. If some dumbass bomber wannabes decide to use an open public forum to discuss their nefarious plot, it begs the question: how smart are they, and, really, are they a verifiable threat or just a cabal of habitual rebellious "smoke-blowers"?

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 11, 2006 8:44 pm ET)
         

      know about what is really going on ? do they have secret clearances ?

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    • Author by ufleirx (July 11, 2006 9:23 pm ET)
         

      Could this not be the opening line to every story with Horowitz as a center figure in the discussion. Someone break out the theasarus quick some synonyms for "baselessly suggested" -- hmmmmmmm, "lying through one's teeth" comes to mind.

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    • Author by snoopy (July 11, 2006 9:26 pm ET)
         

      so, the new york times "reveals" a secret program and the reich wing wants to draw and quarter them for cluing in the "enemy". Now Whoreowitz is revealing to the world that a "secret" program previously revealed nabbed some "terrorists" after the fact and all I hear are crickets chirping.

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    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (July 11, 2006 9:46 pm ET)
         

      Can the White House send some goons over to go through my underwear drawer?

      Just tell me you foiled something, and it'll be fined.

      And who, besides Snidely Whiplash says "foiled" anyway?

      I guess along with "evildoers" and "Mission accomplished" it fits right in with the cartoony toddler view of the world that seems to still be popular with the slow third of the country.

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    • Author by leatherhelmet (July 11, 2006 11:42 pm ET)
         

      "the communications made in connection with the purported plot apparently did not involve a party inside the United States."

      There has been absolutely no comments made by any source which back up this accusation by Media Matters. No one has said there was no party involved in the United States. The matter has been deemed an "ongoing investigation" but it is a flat out lie to say the plot apparently did not involve a party inside the United States.

      Apparently, you have chosen to ignore the reporting of the American Spectator, which quoted sources saying the FISA warrants were issued, which of course could only mean domestic surveillance.

      Even if you ignore the reporting of the American Spectator, jumping to the conclusion that there was no domestic surveillance just because you haven't read it in any media sources is laughable.

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      • Author by ufleirx (July 12, 2006 12:13 am ET)
           

        First what sources? I bet they are anonymous and from the adminstration. And FISA warrants? They have not bothered with following FISA up to this point by their own admission. What makes you think they would now?

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        • Author by leatherhelmet (July 12, 2006 12:45 pm ET)
             

          know where you and Brabintino get the idea that they are not using the FISA Courts. They have and continue to do so.

          They also have a small, targeted program that does not use FISA.

          So you both are wrong to suggest FISA is not being used.

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          • Author by mrkite116182 (July 12, 2006 1:03 pm ET)
               

            What evidence is there that these clowns have told the truth about anything, leather boy? It's going to take a bit more than your equally suspect word for it.

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          • Author by Brabantio (July 12, 2006 5:16 pm ET)
               

            "I don't know where you and Brabintino get the idea that they are not using the FISA Courts. They have and continue to do so."

            I don't think I asserted that in this case they didn't. Show me where I said that. What I'm saying is if they did, it only shows that the warrantless program is unnecessary, since big scary terrorist plots can be foiled while adhering to the law (which is all anyone expects here!). If they did get FISA warrants, then it has no bearing on the merits of the warrantless NSA program, which is what makes Horowitz's argument so dishonest. Does that help you to understand a little better, I hope?

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      • Author by Brabantio (July 12, 2006 1:48 am ET)
           

        "Apparently, you have chosen to ignore the reporting of the American Spectator, which quoted sources saying the FISA warrants were issued, which of course could only mean domestic surveillance. "

        So this huge terrorist plot was foiled while working within the framework of the law? Doesn't that show that what the raving liberals have been suggesting all along, that surveillance is necessary but should be done in accordance with the law, doesn't hamper anti-terrorism efforts the way Bush supporters claimed? This only indicates that working outside of FISA is unnecessary, in contradiction of what Bush has said.

        And the suggestion of Horowitz is that the warrantless program is what was vindicated here, isn't it? Your pointing out that warrants were issued only shows how Horowitz is lying here. Either that or he's pretending that people are opposed to the NSA program because they're opposed to surveillance in general, which is equally dishonest.

        "In another, FBI agents listening in on an Internet chat room – thus invading Americans' privacy and "destroying" their constitutional liberties..."

        If it's done with a warrant, then it's not destroying constitutional liberties. Perhaps you and Horowitz should get together and figure out if this was done without warrants, or if the warrants you claim were given prove that the surveillance was domestic.

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      • Author by mrkite116182 (July 12, 2006 12:27 pm ET)
           

        Apparently, you have chosen to ignore the reporting of the American Spectator, which quoted sources saying the FISA warrants were issued, which of course could only mean domestic surveillance.

        Even if you ignore the reporting of the American Spectator, jumping to the conclusion that there was no domestic surveillance just because you haven't read it in any media sources is laughable.

        Ignore the American Spectator, eh? Anyone with a functioning brain is way ahead of you. Nobody takes that Scaiffe Scum -subsidized scandal sheet seriously to begin with.

        Without the likes of Scaiffe and Murdoch, these champions of Emmett Tyrell and brain-dead fred barnes would have to get real jobs.

        This administration is illegitimate scum and their supporters are ignorant white trash . I hope that's not too opaque for you, leather boy.

        - leatherhelmet / Tuesday July 11, 2006 11:42:45 PM EST - Reply to this comment / Flag this comment

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      • Author by rusty shackleford (July 12, 2006 12:33 pm ET)
           

        The American Spectator reported a leak about secret FISA warrants that can tip off terrorists about how they're being monitored? Why, the editors of that rag must be tried and executed for treason! Right, Leather?

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    • Author by dave_chicago (July 12, 2006 12:16 am ET)
         

      --"American Spectator, which quoted sources saying the FISA warrants were issued"--

      That article in the rabid right-wing American Spectator's Washington Prowler refers to just one comment from one, unnamed "DOJ source"--not "quoted sources", as you stated. It also says "things are a bit unclear". That's all. Nothing about domestic surveillance.

      Given this paltry and laughable lack of evidence to the contrary, Media Matters' perfectly appropriate statement, "apparently the plot did not involve a party inside the United States", still stands as correct.

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      • Author by mrkite116182 (July 12, 2006 12:35 pm ET)
           

        Nitwit nation never ceases to suprise and amaze. Citing a scaiffe scum rag like the American Spectator here of all places when this site's owner used to work there in when he was in the clutches of the dark side is just breathtakingly bone - headed and evidences a lack of awareness of the world around him that's simply astounding even for the likes of leather boy.

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      • Author by leatherhelmet (July 12, 2006 12:48 pm ET)
           

        Show a quote from any national security organization that says there was no domestic surveillance.

        They said the investigation was ongoing.

        It's a lie to say "Apparently" there was no domestic surveillance when all the information is not released and the investigation is ongoing.

        If you have proof, post it.

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    • Author by holly (July 12, 2006 9:51 am ET)
         

      I prefer "Hor" or "Ho."

      Snappy, eh?

      And apt.

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      • Author by mrkite116182 (July 12, 2006 12:38 pm ET)
           

        Associating these humble working girls with horowitz is a bit unfair to crack ho's, isn't it?

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    • Author by islestar (July 13, 2006 2:19 pm ET)
         

      "In fact, while Bush did receive a larger percentage of the total vote than any Democrat has since 1964, in both 1992 and 1996, Bill Clinton defeated his Republican opponent by at least twice as many votes as Bush defeated Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) in 2004. "

      To refute Horowitz, you are right that he was wrong.

      But, you were as wrong as he was with your facts.

      From Wikipedia:

      In 1992, Clinton won with 5,805,256 popular votes.

      In 2004, Bush won with a margin of 3,012,499. Twice that is 6,024,998, meaning that your statement that Bill Clinton won by "at least twice as many votes..." is inaccurate.

      Close is good in some cases, but in others, where Media Matters, it's better to be accurate.

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