Savage: Israel must ensure "nothing is left living in Southern Lebanon" and must "free[ ] itself of the men ... act[ing] like Holocaust Jews hiding in the sewer"
On the July 28 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage predicted Israel is "going to lose in Lebanon" unless it wins a "devastating, catastrophic, overwhelming victory" in which "nothing is left living in southern Lebanon, south of the Litani River." Later in the program, Savage chastised the Israeli government for displaying a "Holocaust mentality" by shying away from his proposed course for victory, adding that Israel cannot continue to "live" unless it "frees itself of the men who are acting as though they are still hiding in the sewers of Warsaw" and "act[ing] like Holocaust Jews hiding in the sewer."
From the July 28 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: They're [Israel] going to lose, it's as simple as that. The same way we're losing in Iraq, they're going to lose in Lebanon, in the big picture now. I don't mean in the short term. In the long term, the only thing that can make a difference is a devastating, catastrophic, overwhelming victory for the Israelis, where nothing is left living in southern Lebanon, south of the Litani River.
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SAVAGE: I have nothing more to say on the issue. Either Israel wants to live, and Israel frees itself of the Holocaust mentality -- and Israel frees itself of the men who are acting as though they are still hiding in the sewers of Warsaw instead of walking in the clear light of Tel Aviv. And if they want to act like Holocaust Jews hiding in the sewer, I cannot change the psyche of the leadership of Israel. I can't do it. If they want to act like sabras who were born in the Mediterranean and belong there and are willing to fight for it and use all the power they have and crush the bastards and get it over with, right to the Litani River, well so be it. But they're not willing to do that, therefore they're going to lose. So, I have nothing more to say about it. Don't you understand? And therefore, in the long run, the sands of the Middle East will sweep over the Jewish state, and it will disappear, within not your lifetime, perhaps, but eventually the sands will re-conquer what the Israelis built out of the sands -- out of the desert sands. And once again the Arabs will be happy as they go back to their nomadic ways of cutting each other's throat.
This guy's a kook.
But I bet the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, the Phelps clan, and Neo Nazies like him.
wouldn't the KKK, neo-Nazis, and Aryan Brotherhood want the reverse? That is, for nothing to be left living in Israel? I'm sure those guys love Dr. Weiner's hate, but I'm not so sure they'd approve of its focus.
...if they had to choose as to whether the brown people or the Jews would die first, I suspect that their first pick would be the brown people.
Actually indigenous Hebrews are brown people. That is why Nazis hate them.
Now my corrections are being corrected! This reveals that I know next to nothing about the mindsets of KKK fellas and their ilk.
Pretty sexist, Holly.There's KKK gals, too.
Sorry, couldn't resist jumping into the correct-a-thon.
Yet another mistake. Alas, I'm a bumbling lass.
The KKK and others ( true Christians ) would prefer that all Jews move to Israel. They don't want to kill them , that would be anti-semantic. And their not anti-semantic. Just ask Mel Gibson.
anti-SEMITIC
Weiner reminds me of Rwandan Hate radio which inspired the mass murder of a million Tutsis. This guy is evil incarnate.
Hey Weiner,
If you're so tough that you want to kill every living thing within 20 miles of Israel, why not take your pasty patty cake marshmallow arse over there and fight. Only a girly man would sit in his air-conditioned studio eating hohos and fantasizing about Armageddon. Go pick up a weapon and proceed directly to the battlefront if you really believe that crap.
What makes me think you'd wet your pamper if you had to do hand to hand, instead of foot in mouth, combat. From here on out change the name of your show to "Punked."
He prefers Depends.
When he says to leave "nothing living" in S. Lebanon, it sounds suspiciously like advocating genocide . . .
"So, I have nothing more to say about it." Please, PLEASE let that be true.
I also heard Weiner say last week that he was "fed up with the war in the Middle East", and was "tired of talking about it". Not sure what he meant by that, because, I'll be damned if he isn't at it the very next day with this load of sour owl dung.
if not through total domination of Hezbullah then how else? It's nice to crack on Savage but he's got a good point and no poster on this board is able to offer a better solution...just saying.
Genocide as victory instead of just plain evil
Israel could effectively take the course of action Mr. Weiner is calling for
Nuclear weapons..
Is that what he's calling for?
Somehow I think Israel nuking the Lebanese/Hezbollah might not be such a good idea..
funny how yall turn this around. MMFA has done a terrible job on this one. Mr, Weiner is not calling for the destruction of the Lebanese/Hezbollah . He is painting a picture of what could, or might, happen if these circumstances take place. Is he far off?
He is saying Hezbollah/ Terrorism will not stop to wype Israel off the planet. Is he wrong?
It is Israel that is out to wipe three million Palestinians from existence, in a slow starvation. The terrorism is an EFFECT of the root cause...US and Isreali racist imperialism agaisnt all moslems in the region. It is Israel that is terrorizing Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon, the US that is terrorizing Iraq. Have been for decades.
no one can take a back seat to most of the muslim world when it comes to intolerance. we should not have gone into iraq, but what is happening now is mostly iraqis killing iraqis because they belong to the wrong sect. don't see any outrage about that. and just a couple months ago a man in afghanistan who had converted from the muslim faith to christianity was sentenced to death for his "crime". it was only condemnation from the west that stopped his execution. the rest of the muslim world didn't object. the netherlands is now requiring muslim immigrants to take tests and sign statements acknowledging that they agree that the country is tolerant of different cultures and lifestyles. and saudi arabia continues, in spite of promises otherwise, to teach hate and intolerance for other religions in their schools. israel, not perfect, but you have a country, lebanon, that refuses to put the most blame where it belongs for the destruction of their country. that would be hezbollah and the countries like syria and iran that arm them.
I really don't understand this thinking. When has Israel ever indicated that they want to "wipe Palestinians from existence"? As I see it, just the opposite is true. Isreal is willing to live side by side with Muslims and Plaastinians, but the Arabs in the region have shown time and time again that they despise Jews and won't let up until Jews are extinct.
As an educated Jew married to a Muslim I get insights into both sides of the dispute. It angers me, a Liberal, when I hear this hatred espoused, especially from the left. I hate Savage as much as anyone, but it also infuriates me when I hear this kind of reteric from those on my side of the ledger.
Lets make this issue quite clear ... You cannot be anti-Israel and NOT be anti-semetic. There is one tiny tiny place on this planet that is a Jewish state. It is surrounded by neighors that live to see their demise. The Jews only very recently survived total enialation in WWII. If we were talking about any other ethnicity, the civilized world wouldn't stand for it. If we were talking about say, black people, and there were only one country on earth that accepted black people and you were against that country's right to exist, you would be considered a racist. So please, lay off the Jews. They have a right to survive, and given the rampant anti-semitism that continues to pollute this planet, the recent Holocost, their history of being the most opressed people on the planet, and the geography of the region, and I say Israel gets to play with a different set of rules. They MUST do whatever it takes to survive.
excellent post IMO
Though I am against Israels foriegn policy actions. Did it escape your attention that Palestinians are Semites too, as are Lebanese. I say you cannot be anti Palestinian and NOT be an anti Semite. Are the Palestinians occupying Israel? No that would be Israel occupying ARAB territory, building settlements in direct violation to the fourth geneva convention on occupation. When they deal fairly on THAT issue, I will give them due credit. I abhor all terrorism. All the violence from both sides. Amira Haas writes for Ha'aretz. She reported that an Israeli sniper told her he was ORDERED to target children. The terrorism is not coming from only one side. State violence is a form of terrorism. I denounce both forms. Also I do not see this as in Israels best interest, in the end only an accomodation and peace will bring long term stability for Israel. They only get to lose ONE WAR and its over for them no matter how many they won in a row before. The 82 invasion of Lebanon created Hezbollah. What will this one create. A constant state of war is NOT the answer. If this overall problem could be solved with disproportionate violence and oppression of the Palestinians it would have been solved long ago. Israel has been trying this kind of tactic since 1967, how has it worked out for them?
You never responded to my point about a black friendly country and the parallel therein. I'd love to hear your response. I also abhor violence and wish for peace in the region and would like to see a diplomatic resolution, however, the Palestinians have never given me any indication that they desire a peaceful resolution. They spoke volumes when they voted for Hamas. Additionally I do not believe that soldiers were ordered to target children. Don't believe everything you read. That point sounds preposterous.
Who says Israel is the ONLY country that accepts Jews? Arent there more Jews in New York City than any other city on Earth? You are just SAYING that they are surrounded by countries that want their destruction I dont accept that as a true statement of fact there have been several peace treaties by Arab entities like the PLO and Saudis that were willing to trade peace and acceptance for a return to the pre 67 borders Israel rejected them out of hand. Their response to the Saudi Plan was to fly their f-16s over the Saudi oil fields in an explicit threat to bomb them. I will "lay off the Jews" When they "lay off" the Palestinians. The Israeli Ambassador to the UN himself claimed that the 1976 peace Plan being discussed in the UN (vetoed by the US) was WRITTEN by the PLO, it was along the same lines as the Saudi plan trading peace and acceptance for pre 67 borders and a Palestinian state. Until Israel tries peace along these lines, which are basically the international consensus. I am not willing to accede to disproportional violence as the ONLY way they will survive. It may be the only way they can survive and steal the parts of the West Bank they want.
Thanks for informing me that the Jews get to be accepted in a whole entire city. Wow, thank God for New York. The more I hear your remarks the more insensitive they sound. Furthermore, if you think there is a city on this planet that thouroughly accepts Jews, you are living in another world. How about we add Malibu to that list of cities. As you know Malibu sits in the liberal Los Angeles area, where I grew up by the way, and as we can see their is no such thing as Jew haters there.
By the way, you still refuse to answer my original question. I guess you don't have an answer. I thought that would be the case. Why is it ok to be so PC with every other race, but when it comes to Jews its open season. Why don't we just blame them for everything ... that seems to be in style these days.
Oh, and a lot of good it did Israel to give back the land in the Gaza strip and West Bank. Yah, that went well.
Lastly, I never said your source on the morality of the soldiers in Israel was lying; I have no doubt that one could find a soldier of any ilk to say what it is you need them to say. What I said was that I highly doubt the statement to be true.
You are being ridiculous. There is some anti Semitism everywhere. I didnt asnwer your, do you still beat your wife question because I deny the premise is sound. Jews ARE accepted in America and most of Europe the idea that they are only accepted in Israel is delusional.
In fact the more I read your remarks the more delusional they are. When did Israel return the West Bank again. Oh thats right IT NEVER HAPPENED. That land was TAKEN in 67 and settlements continue to be built there today. Israel is building a wall right now. Is it building that wall along the Green line? NO it is NOT, it is annexing the parts of the West Bank it has decided to take. Dont even start calling me anti Semetic. My Sephardic Jewess wife will hunt you down and give you a piece of her mind. She agrees with me by the way.
So, you dont mean Amira Haas is lying you think her source is lying. Except she contacted him while running the story down. She was investigating whether this claim was true and her source confirmed he WAS instructed to target Children. What, other than the faith based I-just-dont-want-to-believe-it, rationale is there to DISPUTE what an award winning Israeli Journalist, employed by Ha'aretz, has reported? Do you perhaps have some evidence her source was lying? Do you perhaps no more about the sniper squads orders than one of the snipers himself? I get that you dont LIKE this but I havent seen anything to repudiate it and the source is solid and respected. I think I will give more credence to Haas on whether her source should be trusted than someone who has decided to post on a website.
The Palestinians voted for Hamas since Fatah was never able to move Israel off continued building of settlements on the West Bank. Did Israel really think they would just continue to steal this land and there would be NO consequences. Amiria Haas is a respected Israeli award winning Journalist for Ha'aretz. Why would she lie about that? Read her acceptance speech of the Anna Lind award. Short of counterevidence I am not willing to call a respected journalist a liar just because I dont LIKE what she is reporting.
So you agree with Mel Gibson's anti-semitic comments?
"nothing is left living in southern Lebanon, south of the Litani River." <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I once accused you of having a reading comprehension level approaching that of a gerbil. This is my formal appolgy to gerbils everywhere.
hear you. I was listening to the program. I know what he said, and like I said above, he was not giving marching orders.
He's just repeating what most of the Israeli media is saying. They're really on a killing frenzy over there. Was just reading an article on Counterpunch by an Israeli liberal about how the whole country has gone war-nuts. Israel has lost it, they're basically advocating genocide of anyone Lebanese at the moment. The tv is full of pundits hawking escalations and wiping out entire villages and such. Our warmongers are just saying what the warmongers of Israel are...little wonder, they both share the same racism.
what are Israel's other options???
option #1 stop overrreacting
continue with the status quo that hasn't worked? accept incursions into Israel? Just asking because your post isn't making sense to me.
i wrote him this email. these bastard neo cons are actually promoting their own type of genocide and holy war. and they think its ok. But just try and describe it that way, and boom you are off the air. I am still waiting for a reply from this message to him:
Michael,
This is Jim. I got through to your show last night 7/28/06. I live in Lakeland , FL. But the station is WDBO, so I came in as Jim from Orlando. I got put on with no time to talk to you. I know why I was put on 2 minutes before the hard break. That way its easy for you to dump me. I was ready to debate you on how much force would be acceptable to use in Iraq and Lebanon. My point is, if you don't think there is enough force currently, than what would you like to see? Total devastation, glass parking lots? You were able to sidestep me cause of the hard break. I would like to continue the debate with you. If you and your fellow hawks think aggression and war is going to solve the thousands year old conflict in the middle east, you are sadly mistaken. It's acts like what is happening now that only contribute to the continuation of it.
It disturbs me to hear people who proclaim to love God and be Christians to be so quick to promote war. THOU SHALL NOT KILL. I suppose I can give a pass on killing islamo fascists who have already killed others, but what about all of the innocents, the woman, the children for Christ's sake who are stricken? I would never send my children or anyone elses children to kill. I wonder how you and Rush and Sean and others would feel about sending their flesh and blood to war. If I was Bush, I would send my ass over there to talk to Saddam, Osama, whoever. Crazy? Unorthodox? Stupid? Maybe. The leaders from both sides need to talk face to face to each other. How do these men send our boys and girls to harms way? It seems awfully ignorant, self serving, and cowardly. Course you will never have to make that decision.
(for that matter all of you radio talk show hosts never have to make any decisions about anything, all you do is just sit there and tell others what to do and not to do. What a gig! Real easy to just be a critic. Hell, I can always tell someone how it should have been done or how to do it better if I don't have to back it up. Wheres the accountability for your statements? There is none. Zero. But I digress, that's a different topic.)
The current aggressions will not ever solve this, and the blood of innocent people forever stains the hearts and minds of you and your fellow hawks. I don't pretend to think I have a better answer for this, but surely I know yours is wrong.
Perhaps you would feel better if there was a complete and total victory over islamo fascists and the lands they live in?
sort of like the native American genocide that our European ancestors perpetrated upon the natives of north America when they came here 500 years ago.
ready to talk about this on the radio?
or are you a coward?
sincerely
Jim
anyone know a good email address for him?
if they do not rise up and weed out the terrorists - while knowing where and what they are - can they really be considered innocent or accomplices in the war? Much like the Germans that supported the Nazi's - you do recall the devastation visited upon the "innocents" of Berlin right?
Why is the Middle East exempt from the same devastation that it took to end World War II?
Roughtly one third of those killed have been children. At what age do you advocate training Lebanese children to kill other Lebanese. Hezbollah got credibility by fighting the LAST Israeli invasion of Lebanon, that was the action that CREATED them. So do you REALLY think another invasion is going to convince the Lebanese that it is Hezbollah that is the problem and not Israel?
I would consider a mom and her children innocent.
and is a sticking point to why the world, the Jews and the Arabs can't find common ground. If the Lebanese people are going to allow Hezbullah to operate within their borders and they are in fact electing them to positions of power in political office then the people of Lebanon are part of the problem - they are Hezbullah supporters. BTW, the U.S.A lists Hezbullah as a terrorist organization and has regardless of whether or not a Democrat or a Republican administration was in office. It's widely agreed upon that Hezbullah is a terrorist organization - no one argues that Hezbullah didn't start this current conflict.
Why doesn't the Lebanese army side with the Jews and fight with them if they want to be rid of the violence? Answer: they support Hezbullah - thus they are not innocent IMO.
So the dead children of Lebanon are guilty because of who they voted for. Why does Hezbollah have any such credibility in Lebanon? Could it be that they were the ones who fought Israels illegal invasion of 82 before which they did not exist? This sounds so much like you are saying collective punishment is justifyed despite all international law to the contrary because YOU dont like who they voted for. A specious argument at best. The IRA is a terrrorist organization which like Hezbollah also has a political arm. By your warped logic Britian would have been justified in bombing all of Ireland back to the stone age when the IRA set off a bomb in London because the Irish voted many Sien Finn into the Irish parliment. Since the Irish arent brown that would not have been politically palatable. Your zeal to appologize for the death of children, your unreal assertion that the children are not innocent is just a sick rationalization. Seek help immediatly
The so-called innocent civilians are allowing Hezbullah and Hamas to live within their city limits - thus whatever happens to them is of their own doing. Hezbullah realizes that folks of your opinion will react this way and that is why they hide amongst the civilian population - they expect to win a so-called PR war using your ilk as "useful idiots". It is practically impossible for Israel to defend it's self without killing so-called innocents. After all Hezbullah has made this a gorilla war not Israel.
Sticking to you line of thinking we would not have won WW2 if we had not destroyed Berlin and other major cities in Germany now would we have?
Please let's not get personal here and try to stick to the facts. So far as I know we are on the same side. I am no Bush supporter or Repubie...in fact I think Bush is the second worst president in my lifetime right after Billy Jeff. I would never ever vote for another Bush or Clinton.
At least we are discussing this issue.
Calling me a useful idiot then saying lets not get personal. Do IDF forces go home after thier shift is over? Hezbollah is a homegrown defense group, that is how they are seen by most of Lebanon after it was Hezbollah that finally drove Israel out of Lebanon after their 82 invasion in 2000. I am sure Israel would like them to go to the top of a grassy knoll and signal the Apache helicopters that they are there come and kill them but in the real world this is TEXTBOOK collective punishment about a third of those killed are children. They ARE innocent and it takes a real committment to ideological blindness and rightwing pro Israel brainwashing to pretend otherwise. Your capacity for self delusion is astonishing but its not convincing. Its about like the police coming into YOUR house and telling you that there is a serial killer operating in your neighborhood and they cannot figure out who he is but since you havent done anything they are going to summarily execute YOU and your entire family to show how serious they take serial killing. Then maybe a few of your nieghbors
This guy tries to come off as some sort of expert, and perhaps he has done his homework--I mean, I don't think he's stupid, which makes him more dangerous than, say, Sean Hannity.
Maybe he appeals to the lowest common denominator base, but that's about it.
Weiner seems ready to split right down the middle. His argument appears to be that if Isreal is to exist into infinity, it must adopt the tactics of the Nazi's. What else are we to make of his insistance that Isreal commit to violence so overwhelming, so catastrophic that "... nothing is left living in southern Lebanon, south of the Litani River", other than as a call to genocide?
He goes on to deride the "Holocaust mentality" of Isreal's leadership. He's actually arguing that Isreal has been far too soft in its dealings with its enemies. It needs to "crush the bastards and get it over with."
Wow. I haven't seen such a blood thirsty, macho swagger since Dubya's last press conference. These raging chicken hawks all seem cut from the same cloth, don't they?
Once again, the neocon pundits are softening the public to the reality the neocons policies. And once again, the Democrat's are supporting the neocons. The following excerpts are from the following link with Commondreams.org
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0731-04.htm
Israeli justice minister Haim Ramon announced on Israeli army radio Thursday that "all those in south Lebanon are terrorists who are related in some way to Hezbollah."
Justifying the collective punishment of people in southern Lebanon, Ramon added, "In order to prevent casualties among Israeli soldiers battling Hezbollah militants in southern Lebanon, villages should be flattened by the Israeli air force before ground troops move in."
On July 23, a family left their village after Israelis dropped leaflets ordering them out. Their car carried a white flag, but was still bombed by an Israeli plane. Three in the car were killed.
I can listen to a lot of the righty talkers, but I don't last too long with Weiner.I get this weird impression from his callers that most of them are listening to his show in their room while their mom's making manwiches downstairs.
And that's the savage fans in their 30s and 40s.
I can believe anyone believes NeoCons anymore when they spout this tripe.
I ca't believe anyone believes NeoCons anymore when they spout this tripe.
Weiner is deranged, but he offered a glimmer of hope for himself.
Read carefully. There's a point where he says, "I have nothing more to say on the issue."
Sure, he then goes on to say a lot more, but if he would only have confined his entire statement on the matter to "I have nothing to say on the issue," all would have been well.
His brain had a minor spark of reason, telling him to stop talking. Hope springs eternal. :)
...changed their last name to sound more Christian, like the ever courageous Michael Weiner?
And more to the point, why isn't this guy rushing to the front to show them how it's done?
How else does Israel take care of the threat from Hezbulla and Hamas without a complete military victory? The only answer I've seen posted to this question is that Israel accepts terrorist attacks ("don't over react") as one poster here put it. It's almost as if some advocate Israel react like a rape victim...I can understand and accept folks here not liking Michael Savage but to ignore the subject matter and focus on him is intellectually lazy IMO...
I feel that if a international peace keeping force is put in place by the U.N. they themselves will come under attack by Muslim terrorist and I am not in support of that…
Which is the root problem. In 82 Israel invaded Lebanon after a one year cease fire from the Lebanese PLO which had not seen a single cross border terrorist attack. They managed to kill by most accounts about 20,000 Lebanese civilians. How did THAT work out for them? They managed to create Hezbollah. They will not bomb their way out of this problem. It hasnt worked for 40 years it isnt suddenly going to work. Your posts are like saying ok this hasnt worked the last dozen or so times we tried it but lets give it another shot anyway. What HASNT been tried is giving up the West Bank. Allowing a Palestinian State and a viable one, tied to security guarantees. There, at least in that neighborhood, is never going to be complete guarantees of security. Too many nutbags on both sides. Remember Baruch Goldstien? But over all peace along the lines of justice and dignity for the Palestinians should at least be TRIED. IF that doesnt work they can always go back to killing hundreds every time one of theirs is targetted.
the West Bank is and has been part of Historic and Ancient Israel - it was taken from the Jews by the Romans - then after it was regained by the Arabs...how far do we go back? Why is 1947 the starting point? I'm not a Jew but I understand that they believe Jerusalem is their historic Capitol...
Of Palestinian culture. The historic argument is weak. I am right now sitting on land that was historically Zuni Indian. If they come and ask for my land it would be laughed out of court. IF Israel is allowed to TAKE territory why did we kick Saddam out of Kuwait. 1947 is the landmark because THAT was the agreement that created Israel. Whether you agree or not International law is quite clear on this it IS occupied territory and the Geneva Convention strictly prohibits an occupying power building settlements on occupied territory PERIOD.
Jerusalem was stolen from the Jews before there was any such thing as international law. Ignoring that will never solve this crisis. THer are just to many Christians and Jew still alive that know the complete history of that area. It's well documented in Italian history books that Jewish Jeusalem was conquoered by the Romans and the Ottoman Turks. THe Name Palestine was a created term given to the area by the League of Nations in 1917 (I believe)...I have this same argument so many times that I know exactly where you are debating from. Ultimately you are going to blame the Jews for everything are you not?
They have no right to that land because American Indians have no right to this land??
Then you know that even in Jesus time not all the Semites living in Jerusalem were Jews. Remember the parable of the good Samaritan? Samaritans were not Jews. Jews are decendents of Abraham. When HE came to the region there were already Semites there the Canaanites. In ancient writings ( ancient history is one of my interests) the decendents of Abraham were spoken of sepertatly from other Semites of the region. You cannot claim Jerusalem was stolen. The Romans occupied Israel and Jerusalem. The Ottoman Empire did the same. Just as Israel is occupying the West Bank. The difference is until the two World wars we accepted that and we dont now. Otherwise why did we evict Saddam from Kuwiat? The Jews left wholesale during the diaspora. Many of those who stayed were converted. There isnt a single bit of logic apparant in your zeal to appologize for ANY action Israel takes. There is no question that Israel building settlements on the occupied West Bank is violating the fourth Geneva Convention. Making up weak excuses based on 2,000 year old Roman occupation is laughable
richard36,
"if not through total domination of Hezbullah then how else? It's nice to crack on Savage but he's got a good point and no poster on this board is able to offer a better solution...just saying."
You've substituted the euphemism "domination" in place of Savage's own words calling for mass murder and genocide, "where nothing is left living in southern Lebanon."
Was that intentional?
as the US dominated the Germans and Japanese after the complete annihilation of Berlin and Hiroshima…least of all do not forget the so-called “insurgency that existed in Germany and Japan for about 5 years after the respective surrender…
My entire intent with these posts are to hear and understand what the alternative to the status quo and complete Military victory are. Where are the other alternatives…I could care less about Savage…
how about a summit meeting with the arab and jewish leaders. NO WESTERNERS, NO UN. Just let them sit down and talk man to man instead of being just coward chicken hawks who send kids to kill each other. yeah lets start there. You know, I happen to have a little faith inin human kind, I like to think that basically we all are the same and we do have the same basic values, like not being dead and enjoying life. Let them talk to each other face to face.
I have never understood how the US and UN being involved with this helps at all. One can not pressure any other nation into an agreement it doesn't want...that is only superficial.
This is an ancient fight dating back to Biblical times...
be nice for the leaders to sit down and talk like that, but will probably never happen.
it is my speculation that the only logical reason we support Israel, is to have an ally in the middle east, due to the supply of oil. USA and for that matter the world, depends upon an uniteruptable supply for economic stability. Why else would we give them so much money and military support? We dont do that in africa or other 3rd world countries. We let those countries starve themselves or kill each other. The jews and arabs have been fighting this irrational holy war over desert real estate for ever. I can not understand this mystical attachement to it. Surely God can be found elsewhere.
It may have something to do with the fact that it would be political suicide to not support the Jews
It may have something to do with religion.
It may be because the Jews are a civilized and democratic society as defined by western values.
It may be because it’s the only Jewish Country that ever was or will ever be.
It may be because it’s the right thing to do.
I don’t belive the Jews have any access to OIL though
I know they dont have any oil, but it is a strategic freindly place for military operations.
there is any easy solution to the middle east. This hate has been festuring for to long now, and it is time the zit poped.