On CNN's Glenn Beck, Buchanan criticized Bush for being "scared" to "antagonize" Hispanics because Republicans' "white American" base is "shrinking"
SUMMARY: On CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, Pat Buchanan declared that President Bush is "scared" of "antagoniz[ing]" Hispanic immigrants because Bush and other leading Republicans believe Hispanics are "the one minority bloc we can get, and we need one of them because the white Americans, who have been the base of the Republican Party, are shrinking."
While promoting his new book State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America (Thomas Dunne Books) during the August 24 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, MSNBC political analyst and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan declared that President Bush is "scared" of "antagoniz[ing]" Hispanic immigrants. Buchanan stated that this is because Bush and other leading Republicans believe Hispanics are "the one minority bloc we can get, and we need one of them because the white Americans, who have been the base of the Republican Party, are shrinking." Also during the discussion, host Glenn Beck said that immigrants "are not melting into our melting pot -- they're here for the cash," and added that "illegal immigrants" are "tak[ing] the culture away from us."
Buchanan contended that while Bush believes former California Gov. Pete Wilson (R) "killed the Republican Party in California" by advocating Proposition 187, a California ballot measure "to prevent illegal aliens in the United States from receiving benefits or public services in the State of California," the measure actually "saved Wilson and the Republican Party in California." As Media Matters for America has noted, California voters approved Proposition 187 on November 9, 1994, but a court blocked its enforcement. Then, on December 14, 1994, U.S. District Judge Mariana Pfaelzer struck down parts of the initiative that required state officials to verify a person's immigration status and to notify law enforcement of violations of the law. California subsequently settled the case in July 1999 when newly elected Gov. Gray Davis (D) decided to drop the appeal pending in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit.
Buchanan also described illegal immigrants as a "fifth column" within the United States and again claimed that immigration could make the "Southwest" become "like Kosovo is to Serbia" because the Mexican government is "pushing" its citizens into the United States as part of a "reconquista." As Media Matters noted, Buchanan has been on a media blitz to promote his book, which asserts that "Mexican agents" are seeking "to take back through demography and culture what their ancestors lost through war."
Buchanan concluded by advocating for "a national Prop[osition] 187" and for a "reinterpret[ation of] the 14th Amendment. You can sneak in this country and have your baby; your baby's not a citizen." The 14th Amendment provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
From the August 24 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck:
BECK: You know, earlier this week, I told you about the five-part plan that I believe may lead to the end of the West as we know it. I called it my perfect storm. One of the elements of that perfect storm is illegal immigration. It is still a great way for terrorists to come here and mess with us. But even if that doesn't happen -- at the very least, illegal immigrants are attacking our culture, and our way of life. They are not melting into our melting pot -- they're here for the cash. Pat Buchanan -- a pioneer of being labeled a hatemonger, one of the first, I believe -- writes about this and more in his chilling new book, State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America.
Pat, welcome to the program.
BUCHANAN: Thank you very much, Glenn.
BECK: Let's talk first about culture, because this is the simplest way. I mean, we've got all these threats coming in from overseas, but the simplest way is for us to lose the culture of the West is just to do nothing and let illegal immigrants not melt in and take the culture away from us.
BUCHANAN: The road to culture is language. And there's no doubt about it in the Southwest -- Los Angeles now, something like 5 million of the 9 million people don't even speak English in their own homes. Many of the Hispanics coming in now, they're patriotic Mexicans, they want to keep their Spanish language and culture and music. And Glenn, when that happens over a period of time -- and the numbers are so enormous, and there's no melting-pot ideology anymore in America, what you're going to have is two languages, two cultures, and eventually two countries.
BECK: Let me play devil's advocate with you. You know, there were -- my wife's family, Italian. And when they came over here, the kids learned Italian, but a lot of the old, you know, folks didn't learn English. You know what I mean? They came over and the kids learned English, everybody else stayed --
BUCHANAN: Did your grandparents think that Italy owned the eastern United States, that it had been stolen from them?
BECK: No. Yes.
BUCHANAN: And they were going to get it back, and 58 percent of them, like 58 percent of Mexicans now believe the Southwest belongs to them. The Italian government wasn't sending Italians over here for a reconquista of any part of the United States?
BECK: Hold on. Are you claiming that the -- that Mexico is sending people over here?
BUCHANAN: Pushing them.
BECK: The government is sending them?
BUCHANAN: [Mexican President] Vicente Fox says they are heroes. They've given them maps. They give them cartoons -- how to get by the border patrol, how to get to the welfare office. What they're doing is they're removing the social, revolutionary pressure on themselves, move the illegals into the United States. They send back 20 billion in remittances. They tell the illegals, become American citizens and vote Mexico's interests in the United States.
What I'm saying is, we've got a fifth column here, European-Americans are leaving California. And in an amount of time, by 2050, this will be so Mexican, it'll be like Kosovo is to Serbia, and we will lose the Southwest. Not militarily -- ethnically, linguistically, socially, culturally.
BECK: Pretty heavy charge to level against --
BUCHANAN: It's not a charge, it's what's happening.
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BUCHANAN: They're all there. And the president of the United States is scared. He thinks that [former California Gov.] Pete Wilson killed the Republican Party in California, because of Prop 187, when it saved Wilson and the Republican Party in California. And so they will not enforce the law because they say this will antagonize the one minority bloc we can get, and we need one of them because the white Americans, who have been the base of the Republican Party, are shrinking. We're not 89 percent of the population as we were in 1960, we're 67 percent. Midcentury, we'll be at 47 percent and sinking.
BECK: You know how this works. I've got 10 seconds. Is there a solution?
BUCHANAN: There's a solution in my book, final chapter.
BECK: One that would actually work, that doesn't require Washington to --
BUCHANAN: A 2,000 mile border fence all along the entire border, start punishing businesses that hire illegals, a national Prop 187, no welfare benefits except emergency, reinterpret the 14th Amendment. You can sneak in this country and have your baby; your baby's not a citizen.
BECK: Pat Buchanan, thank you, sir.
BUCHANAN: Thank you, Glenn.
BECK: Keep up the good work.
I'll say it again. Racism has become the norm in republican circles. And just to make sure there isn't any confusion here, I'm not talking just media personnel, or politicians, I totally mean the republican base. That 32% of bleating sheep who are missing teeth and think inbreeding is an acceptable way of keeping their master race mentality pure.
I just bleeped my sister now were having twins hope ones a boy and the other girl...woo hoo so when they get old enough they can bleep each other. I'm just doing my part to contribute to the Aryan race. I think I'm going to name the boy Cleatus Hitler after my two heroes.
Moron
that the Mexican Goverment is involved, yes? It is in their best interest to send the non-working folk over here. They send millions ans millions back down there and it gets dumped intothe Mexican economy. What, if anything, has the Mexican Goverment done to keep his people there? Do they offer wealfare? SS? Unemplyment? You know they sit on one hell of a oil reserve? As racist as he is, he does have valid points. Sad, but true.
I know no such thing. If they are sending NON WORKING people down here exactly how are they sending money back? Yeah, its racist, no it isnt a valid point.
What are they doing for their people? What motivates them to stay?
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social assistance programs, such as the Oportunidades program, increase the assets of the poor, giving them access to land, health, education and food. In addition, expenditures on social protection and insurance programs reduce their vulnerability and risks by building safety nets such as pensions, employment programs and health insurance. On the other hand, public expenditures in the economic sector improve the quality of the context where the assets are used by providing infrastructure, transport and communication, agricultural and rural development and energy. Prof. de Janvry emphasized the importance of the complementary relationship between social and economic programs. While the social programs help to build up the assets of the poor, public expenditures in the economic sector can improve the effectiveness of these assets.
Now are YOU going to answer mine? Exactly HOW are NON WORKING people going to send money BACK to Mexico?
Non-working people in Mexico. They are flooding up here for work, yes?
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Non working people would get no help from increasing the assets of the poor, giving them access to land, health, education, food and employment programs? I guess employment programs would be something that strictly benifits those who already HAVE jobs? C'mon, you have got to do better than THAT. Please put SOME thought into your posts, just stringing words together isnt good enough.
Yes, Mexico has a poverty problem. No, the government isn't trying to move its poor to the US. That's called a conspiracy theory, and you need solid evidence to back that up (like, say, the Mexican government bribing US border patrols to look the other way).
Immigrants wire money back to their families at home. You go anywhere that there are a large number of immigrants there are always several places that are in the wire transfer business.
I would agree that at one time that was true, but not so anymore. This is from the CIA world fact book:
"Mexico has a free market economy that recently entered the trillion dollar class. It contains a mixture of modern and outmoded industry and agriculture, increasingly dominated by the private sector. Recent administrations have expanded competition in seaports, railroads, telecommunications, electricity generation, natural gas distribution, and airports. Per capita income is one-fourth that of the US; income distribution remains highly unequal. Trade with the US and Canada has tripled since the implementation of NAFTA in 1994. Mexico has 12 free trade agreements with over 40 countries including, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, the European Free Trade Area, and Japan, putting more than 90% of trade under free trade agreements. The FOX administration is cognizant of the need to upgrade infrastructure, modernize the tax system and labor laws, and allow private investment in the energy sector, but has been unable to win the support of the opposition-led Congress. The next government that takes office in December 2006 will confront the same challenges of boosting economic growth, improving Mexico's international competitiveness, and reducing poverty. "
1000's flod in here a day? What does the Goverment offer the non-working class? NADA?
As far as what they do, I don't really know. But riddle me this batman, if you think the main reason they come here is because the government doesn't offer said programs, why would you support a political party that wants to eliminate those programs here?
but really, Mexico is doing a lot for their people. For instance unemployment is 3.6% plus underemployment of perhaps 25% (2005 est.). Since 1996 extreme poverty decreased 17 points to the current rate of 20%. This is due in large part to Fox's initiatives to increase the labor market. Seems to me that should be #1 priority for Mexico, create more jobs to reduce the # of underemployed positions.
Sorry according to Berkley they offer access to land and unemployment insurance so your propaganda does not pass the truthiness test
continue to flood here in such masses? Ok, maybe it is to take advantage of our social programs? Because, if it is so dandy down there...... well.
I doubt the social programs are such a draw. Economic opportunity might be a good draw. Mexico is a third world country and we are the richest country in the world. That is really a far cry from saying that the government of Mexico is complicit in sending them here which was the original claim or that they do NOTHING at all which was your original implication. Anyway you ASKED. I showed what they are doing. They ARE doing things period. IF you have an actual point based on something other than there are a lot of illegal immigrants, which I agree there are. Lets hear it.
No one says life is dandy in Mexico. We are saying loud and clear that Fox is doing the right thing by creating jobs. If they have better paying jobs in Mexico, will they still want to risk coming here to get the same? Prove me wrong.
" That 32% of bleating sheep who are missing teeth and think inbreeding is an acceptable way of keeping their master race mentality pure. "
Hah, ha ha ha. I think you got that backwards! Those "missing teeth inbreds" are living off the government on freebies given them by liberals. So, I don't think the people you are complaining about are republicans...they're democrats! Which only makes your fears more precise. We've already had one "inbred" (Clinton) in the white house and he ruined the nation enough for quite a few years to come we certainly don't need any more.
They all live in the red states in rural areas. Rural Red America vote overwhelmingly for Bush. Ironic that Bush's base feeds off of those programs while supporting the party that wants to get rid of their bread and butter.
republichater / Tuesday August 29, 2006 08:31:31 AM EST
Nice try, shmendrik. There's nothing more inbred than the bush klan and their ilk. Talk about your rich white trash.
to hear Beck talking about our culture as if he were one of its guardians. Glenn, buddy, if you want to see one of the biggest threats to all that's great about Western culture, take a look in the mirror.
I say just give Mexico the Southwest. Hell just getting rid of California alone would HELP the rest of the country.
* BTW I'm making a joke here--figured I'd better mention that BEFORE the *Angry Brigade* that hang around here shows up and goes ballistic on me*
:-O
As a resident of California I would be delighted to turn it over to Mexico. That country couldn't possibly do a worse job than the crazed "progressives" who currently call the shots in Sacramento. It would be a treat to live in a place that wasn't subject to the endless petty laws that have reduced personal freedom in California to almost nothing.
I have lived here for 28 years now. I have seen the city of San Jose turn into a dump. Many hoods down there are so full of trash it is sad. 25 people to a house, 10 cars in front, trash laying around, 50 people loiteriing around the home deopts. The areas that border the bay are sad now. I don't know how to explain how I feel other than angry for letting such recklessness take place.
You remind me of that character William 'D-Fens' Foster played by Michael Douglas. Lets hope you don't snap.
BooHoo! another neofacist whiner who doesn't understand that while government regulation may not let him put a toxic waste dump in his back yard, it also stops his neighbor from doing the same, which protects everyone's rights.
How about that lack of regulation that allowed kenny boy to almost bankrupt your state? That should be enough of a warning about what free-market republicans will do to a country.
I have toxic waste dump in my backyard and none of my neighbors seem to mind. In fact all their kids come over and swim in it during the summer time.
"It would be a treat to live in a place that wasn't subject to the endless petty laws that have reduced personal freedom in California to almost nothing."
What's stopping you from swimming across the border now? If they can move north, you can move south. Take your friends with you. Love it or leave you pinko! ,
this problem is largley based on ILLEGL IMMIGRATION. You tell me why the hell, anyone of us in California should leave because millions of people broke the laws WE ABIDE BY! WHY???? Answer that in a rational matter.
you like people that brake the law? How about if I peddle some Marijuana in your hood, that ok?
you are an evil jeanyus fella
mean by that? Was that a "yes" sir?
First of all, I'm not assuming you have a gender of any kind, second of all, brake means to bring a vechile to a stop, break on the other hand means to violate the law. So, unless you were asking me if Iwanted someone to come to my "hood" and slow the law down until it has no forward or backward momenteum I'm assuming you mistyped and I'm mocking that. Childishly. As is my wont. Madam
that was amusing......
this problem is largley based on ILLEGL IMMIGRATION. You tell me why the hell, anyone of us in California should leave because millions of people broke the laws WE ABIDE BY!
It's easy to abide by the U.S. immigration laws when you're born here. I mean, you really won't have the opportunity to break them. Just sayin.
not looking any further? Try thinking out of the closet. Drivers Liscense, Drivers Insurance, fake SS#'s ect. Lets not forget those laws, among many others.
but the saying is "think outside of the box." I prefer being inside the box to being in the closet, if you get my drift.
I just got a great idea though, based on yours and Cerberus' posts.
Cerberus is angry because there are too many laws in California that limit his freedoms.
You say that illegal immigrants are allowed to break California law with impunity.
Solution for Cerberus: emigrate to Mexico, renounce U.S. citizenship, then illegally cross the border back into the U.S. Problem solved!
yes, I meant Box.........
cerebrus was whining because the big bad govmint is taking away his freedoms and he said he'd welcome Mexico taking California back.
If he doesn't love America, he, and his whiny conservofacists are welcome to leave. If you can't read, don't write.
I have a toxic waste dump in my back yard and my neighbors don't seem to mind. Hell, during the summer time all their kids come over and swim in it.
it's a ready made excuse for when your kids get low test scores.
No Child Left Behind Act, and the Final Exit Exam...... :0)
Republican I home school my kids so they get perfect scores. They have Bible Biology 101, Bible Math, Bible Music, and Bible Literature.
Is that like regular music, but without tritones?
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funny is that on the side I am a heavy metal guitarist, serious.
I used to play in metal bands in the late 80's early 90's. Still play, but the day of wanting to be a Super Star have long gone. Been a bass player for 22 years.
Malmsteen, Satriani? Montrose? Love those guys
know all about the tritone. The Devil's interval! Booga booga
I am a funkster now.
So, "Get the funk out of my face"!"...
:0)
Traded in the tritone for the minor seventh, eh? Nice!
your killin me now!!!! LAMO!
I hope you meant LMAO, otherwise I'm insulted...
I did. It is the perscription drugs again.
I did mean LMAO!
I was born in California and spent most of my life there. In fact I am a sixth generation Californian. It was a great place to grow up and doesnt have the sixth largest economy in the WORLD for no reason. I love all the museums, beaches, and the State provides for its people. Its a clean well run state with many advantages for children. I lived in a city of 22,000 and we had five parks in the city alone, along with a public Gym, and Olymipic swimming pool. I now live in a State where I have talked to people who just didnt get their checks. The boss just fired them and moved to another city. Try that in California and the Labor board will be at your house in 24 hrs and sieze your bank account to pay your workers (my brother went through that scenario). If you dont like California because it doesnt fit into your neo con fantasy of what a society ought to be like I suggest you try Guatemala.
you could just move to Salinas, or San Jose for that.
Another big problem I have. I used to be a Lanscape Contractor. It is not a easy test to pass. California has many codes to follow. Workers Compensation, Insurance, Bonded ect. When I see the "Fly by Nights" runing around leaving the customer with a crap product, it pisses the hell out of me. I have become more proactive and have started to give tips to these FBN construction wrokers. The customer thinks he/she is getting a deal, when in reality he is getting 3rd grade work. There are a half dozen people in my hood that have shabby work. To top it off, if a guy hurts himself, who is he going to sue? The homeowner...... I blame the Greedy Homeowners as well. I have warned many people to avoid the Low Ballers. I have reported people with fake a Contrators Liscense. This bothers me.
I could work in N California but I would work more and make a bit less. Not a good combination. Otherwise I love Northern California certainly once you get above all the farmland the MOST beautiful scenery I have ever seen. Is there anything in the world more majestic than a Giant Redwood? When I moved here I had a problem with my road. Even though the county told me the road in front of my home was my access the City says only those on the opposite side of the road own the access. In California this would NEVER be a problem since any contractor trying to pass off a property without an access would be out of busniess not to mention you are not allowed to own roads in Cal. I just think it was a well run state when I lived there 10 years ago.
California is the most beautiful landscape in the country. I am all for preserving land. Avid camper here.
You need to get out more, sport. You've been spending too much time underground.
Who's Governor of California?
Oh, yeah.
Trying to unload SoCal on Mexico, eh? Just to see me have to live under a backwards, corrupt leader with the Church pulling his strings and a disdain for the lower classes.
You already done that twice! 2000 & 2004. Har!
At least Bush never seemed to be a racist at all. I don't agree with his anti-immigration measures, but I think that it's about the only thing politically (with possibly exception of education) where I feel he seems to have a genuine belief in what he's saying and doing, and where that belief is based on traditional conservative values.
These clowns, Beck and Buchanan, are more interested in the usual modern Republican fearmongering, and trying to make it seem like any immigration, not just illegal, is a problem.
everything--and I do mean EVERYTHING--Resident Bozo does is for the benefit of his corporate cronies. He has shown he cares nothing about anybody who does not belong to the power elite, and every blasted bloody policy decision he has fostered has been based on lining the pockets of that selfsame elite. The illegal immigration issue is a bit thorny for the rez since a good part of the nutjob so-called base that helps get repubs elected, and who are nicely represented here by Herr Buchanan and his slobbering sidekick Skippy Beck, think we should wall off the SW border and put crocs in the Rio Grande for good measure so as to, you know, protect their whitebread cornpone "culture". So Fearless Leader must pander to the fascistos by coming up with something anything that appears to be anti-immigration while at the same time making it toothless enough so as not to alienate his real base, the "haves and the have mores", who benefit greatly from employing illegals. The illegal immigration issue is surely one of the most complex and thorny problems facing our society, and I have no idea how to solve it. What I do know as an absolute certifiable fact is that the moron who occupies the white house long ago sold his soul, and whatever shred of humanity and integrity he possessed therein, to the corporatists who profit mightily from our blood and sweat.
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Racism and union busting are traditional conservative values. There is nothing else. That's it. That's the whole enchillada.
Ask the black republican congressional coalition if you don't believe me. Oh, that's right. You can't. HE retired.
There is no bush without bigotry. Republicans don't give a damn about public education. Bush never went to public school. All they care about is busting the Teacher's Union. It begins and ends there.
"BECK: Pat Buchanan -- a pioneer of being labeled a hatemonger, one of the first, I believe -- writes about this and more in his chilling new book, State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America."
Mr. Beck:
Pat is "labeled a hatemonger" because he has a very long and well-documented history of being one. By soft-soaping his past comments and calling him a "pioneer," you are getting down in the muck with him (not that this should surprise anyone).
to Mexico. That country couldn't possibly do a worse job than the crazed "progressives" who currently call the shots in Sacremento . . ." - Cerebrus
You wouldn't be referring to our Rethuglican "governator", Ah-nold, by any chance?
- The same one who stepped back from any "progressive" views he may have had during the Republican National convention to join the chorus of warmongerers and Kerry smearers?
-The one whose last four Propositions went down in flames?
-The one whose current approval rating is a Bush-esque 37%?
-The one who, when asked what solutions he had to the problem of illegal immigration in CA, responded that he would defer to the White House?
No doubt you were against the Davis recall, too . . .
" . . . It would be a treat to live in a place that wasn't subject to the endless petty laws that have reduced personal freedom in California to almost nothing."
Now that's RICH . . .an RW upset about the loss of personal freedom . . . were you that upset when you found out Dubya was listening to your phone calls and emails and tracking your financials without a warrant?
Here's a couple of proposals to stop illegal immigration: 1. Make NAFTA fair. We spend a lot of money on subsidies to farmers who in turn are probably employing said illegal aliens. Getting rid of tariffs makes no sense if you don't get rid of subsidies. Mexican farmers make more money, their workers can demand more money. And then they stay home. We could use the money we save for welfare, tax breaks, or wars on countries that can't defend themselves. Whatever works.
2. Make pot legal. Or at least not threaten sanctions on countries that do. Again, it could be a valuable cash crop for them. Same with making cocaine illegal, it could be great for Bolivia. Maybe not so great for Columbia. It's debatable.
3. Prosecute businesses that hire illegal immigrants. This is probably the only thing I would agree with Pat on. It's nonsense that there are jobs Americans wouldn't do. People will do any job, no matter how distasteful, if the price is right. If that weren't the case the entire cast of Survivor would consist of illegal aliens.
Regardless, for all our talk about free trade, we've done a great job of taking advantage of Mexico's relative weakness by forcing them to accept trade on our terms. Why not stop wasting tax dollars on rich farmers, let people smoke some weed, and pay people decent wages?
You're criticizing Bush for being "scared" to "antagonize" Hispanics . . . try and think this through for a moment:
As President of the United States of America, the chief executive is president of ALL the people . . . even Bush seems to know this when he made the statement, "I'm a uniter, not a divider" . . . so please tell me, what possible benefit would there be for the president to willfully antagonize an ENTIRE ethnic group?
Please Pat . . . try to engage your brain logically before operating your mouth next time {which should keep you quiet for the forseeable future} . . .
AHHH maybe because it's the right thing to do for the entire country and not just for a single ethnic group and their advocates. But poor Dubya, they still hate him because he didn't bow to all their demands. He actually said some of the law breakers have to go back. Oh my!! Did you see the signs in the pro illegal immigration rallies that likened Bush to Hitler?
I hate pandering in politics. Bushwhacked is pandering to the 20 million illegal immigrants who if given Amnesty will eventually be able to vote. So will all their relatives who will be able to be brought in under Hagel/Martinez. He wants those votes for his party in spite of the harm that would do to our economy, culture, and our low wage earners who compete against the slave wages of illegals. Opps, I'm sorry on this site the politically correct term is "undocumented".
Funny thing is once they get their legal status they won't vote Republican, they'll vote Democrat like the majority of Hispanics do. Most all illegals are poor, hence voting Democrat.
Poll after poll taken Americans say they want less immigration not more. They don't want to stop it but it must be cut back to sustainable levels.
Please Pat keep speaking out what millions are too afraid to say because those in opposition want to shut down the debate by throwing the race card and labeling them a Nazi pig.
of the contiguous US was once the lawful property of Mexico prior to the occupation of those lands by white settlers. White supremacists are eager to warn of the perceived danger of Mexicanization of white America. Westward expansion through Indian territory was justified by 'The Divine Right Of Manifest Destiny' , the idea that God gave the land to the European settlers, very similar to Israel's claim to Palestinian territory.
The Republican base is scattered, as it consists of an ever-shrinking demographic of upper middle-class wealth. The Heartland has long suffered through farm foreclosures and environmental devastation. Mountaintop removal and its accompanying destruction of streams and aquifers have left many disillusioned with Republicans' pandering to industries that are destroying Middle America.
For every statement Bush makes to soothe Hispanic tensions, three are made by Republican party apparatchics to irritate and alienate Mexicans nationally.
Glen Beck said...
"They are not melting into our melting pot -- they're here for the cash. "
I don't see what's so alarming about that statement. Isn't that why most illegal immigrants come here, to make money? It doesn't make them bad people imo. It's not their fault.
I actually agree with Pat's suggestions that we punish the businesses that hire illegals and that they shouldn't get welfare.
Pat also said...
"that President Bush is "scared" of "antagoniz[ing]" Hispanic immigrants because Bush and other leading Republicans believe Hispanics are "the one minority bloc we can get, and we need one of them because the white Americans, who have been the base of the Republican Party, are shrinking."
I think he's right on that as well. Bush does pander to people, white NASCAR guys and hispanics alike, and it has been said that Republicans can get that vote since many of them hold conservative views and are religious. The Republican white folk base IS shrinking. But I think that's a good thing.
I think Pat can make a lot of sense in this issue when he's not being racist about it all. Like I have said before, if he didn't have these streaks of intolerance in him, I wouldn't think he was such a bad guy.
This thing about the "melting pot" though. Has it ever really been that way?
And I do think Vincente Fox wants his people to go to the US. They're all people he doesn't want, people he thinks will create too much unrest. I think that he figures that they'll come here, we'll take care of them, and they won't be his problem anymore.
But yeah, Pat's a bigot. I mean, who didn't know that?
What are you on...Drugs? Gimmee some.
So I guess when Mexico "lawfully" owned all this land, just who gave it to them? OH that's right they CONQUERED IT!
Sort of like that kind of "Lawful"?
So please explain all of this bit about how it belonged to them "LAWFULLY" again? Cuz where I come from, back in those days, what you bought, conquered or traded for was yours and if you sold, gave up or traded away that land it wasn't yours ANYMORE!
So you're saying the Mexican government got a bum deal and we should make a better one for them now?
Yeah, keep up that kind of logic...it'll serve you well...somewhere in fantasyland.
As for the illegals. Oh well I guess if one gets tired of being called a racist they can then start to work for getting rid of the Border patrol and the customs and all the rest cuz after all these poor unskilled, uneducated people just wanna come here and be jus' like us.
And the working people can keep supporting their offspring in over crowded schools, over crowded hospitals, over crowded prisons cuz the working poor from Mexico who come here can't be bothered to pay those bills, cuz they got relative to send money to in Mexico and after all the sucker taxpayers can foot their bills here.
Yeah I'm all for that. Suppose if we try real hard we can get another 70 million of them in as fast as possible? Ya know, just so no one can call me or anyone else racist?
OR let's realllly try hard and try and get 150 million in within the next ten years! Yeah that's the ticket!
We can afford it!! Hell we can afford to take care of the whole danged world so let's just throw open the borders and send out a message that everyone that can get here is more than welcome.
Bring your kids, bring your moms and dads, bring your diseases, bring your third world way of thinking and we can all brag about how we're not racist.
Howz that?
That work for you open borders and amnesty for all types?
Do you have a reasonable solution to the immigration issue?
Stop whining. There was nothing Native Americans could do about America becoming a white majority population and there's nothing you can do about it becoming a non-white majority. I promise you will have a chance to assimilate one day if you accept the core principle of democracy: majority rule.
Where in all that above, did he bring the "White Majority" into this?
Almost every post I see from you has some sort of Race Card. You are the one that needs to get past the "White America". Let go of your hate, you will feel much better.
The Bush family itself has already been taken over by Hispanics. Thanks to Jeb the lily white Bushes will disappear by 2050.
You're one and the same, derek.
It's not a joking matter. You, on the other hand, ...
Buzzramjet has a point. We can't have open borders and give everyone amnesty. Racial fears or not, we just can't support these people, no matter where they come from.
If Mexico wasn't so poor, they wouldn't want to come here. People don't realize that. And then they come here and are simply exploited.
There is a reasonable solution to the problem. Make it illegal to hire illegal immigrants, and punish those who hire them severely. We also need to fix or repeal NAFTA and GATT.
It seems like most people are only concerned about the racial and cultural aspects of this, and that is, at least imo, partly why we can't get this problem solved. And it's people on the right and left that keep doing this.
You have said it best. I do not know how many times in these threads I state just that. It is not a racial thing.
The real underlying problem is all about economics. Jobs are very scarce these days, and I personally have had to compete with illegals for them. We've had immigration raids here in semi-rural Pennsylvania, that shows how bad the situation is getting. I talked to one and he says they're emigrating here after moving thru the Southwest because there's no work there anymore. And they are being given jobs Americans WILL do. Regular factory jobs, construction, etc. This lie that they only get the jobs we don't want is a load of crap being put out by those who want to hire them and NOT offer those jobs to an American.
The answer is very simple. Make it as unattractive here as possible for them. If caught, instant deportation. No access to social programs. No access to schooling. Employers who hire illegals knowingly will be prosecuted and JAILED, not just given a slight fine. And I'm not just talking Hispanics...this stuff should apply to ANY illegal immigrant.
The American worker is under assault from all sides right now. The corpos are trying to rob us blind while trying also to deny us any employment. We need to stand up and say "No!" for the sake of our and our children's futures. Where will the jobs be when they graduate school? China? India? Will they have to emigrate illegally to work in an Shanghai sweatshop because our own native industries refuse to hire citizens? It all boils downs to this.
It's no longer "Buy American". It's "Hire American!"
You're right - calling attention to the problem of illegal immigration is not necessarily racist. Unfortunately, however, it's the kind of problem that lends itself to easy exploitation by the usual racist yahoos.
It's high time this immigration business is named and claimed for what it is. It's an intramural republican squabble between the businessmen and ranchers who write the checks and want a continued supply of cheap labor and the bigoted white trash nitwits who supply the votes.
It's just like it was in what Trent Lott thinks of as the good old days. The Conservative (White) Citizens Council supplies the funding to the klan who slither 'round the backdoor to supply the muscle.
No racists. No reptiles.
No bigots. No bush.
I see Democrats and republicans a like to blame. They both hire illegals to take advantage of the cheap labor. I see people of ALL COLOR hirring illegals to take advantage of cheap labor. And I guess then there is me. Conservative Liberal, and I REFUSE TO HIRE ILLEGAL CHEAP LABOR! I am the one doing this country a favor. Be a patriot, hire a American for a fair wage. If you are one that hires Illegals to take advantage of the cheap labor, SHAME ON YOU!
Godo for you, I would never hire an illegal either. I've sat in packed temp agency offices while hunting for work, being very tempted to shout "Immigre! Immigre!" just to see how many would go running for the door. And this is in Pennsylvania, not Texas or California. It's a widespread problem now. I am so sick of those who demand we hand our jobs over to illegals. I guess they think native-born families should just starve in the streets instead of having employment. I consider them traitors.
If a illegal hurst himself on your property, who pays? If he/she drives a tractor through your house on accident, who pays?
Many illegals pass off their company as a legit one. However, that is not the case. They carry no Bond, and no Insurance, no Contractors Liscense. Requirements to protect the homeowner, at least here in Cali.
and pay him a fair wage so he can provide for his family. that's far more important than paying some price gouging mafioso contractor so you can maintain your fantasy of a white reich.
if the far-fetched idea that mexicans are consciously trying to take the south-western territories back over through demographics and cultural change happens to be true, i support it. europeans conquered this land through murder. we are the ones that don't belong here.
if europeans have to be the majority in order to survive here, then i don't thing we should.
i worked in heating and cooling for a year with a number of immigrants, and we used to joke about "estamos en la conquista", but the truth is that these people have no other choice than to leave mexico. if the administration really cares about this issue, it's time to try to incite changes in the mexican government. but you don't ever hear any conservatives talking about that. no, they talk about how white people can't survive if they're not the majority. it's facism. and the conservative media is allowing it, and in a way, subversively supporting it.
So roll over and let your country be taken? You are a foolish person. Look, I do not condon a "White America".... But to hell with anybody that wants to take it over ,or let it go. Bush can go to hell, and so can all others that support it, or want to push forward with it. All this malarky about who the land belonged to. WHO CARES! It is the property of the USA now. And if someone wants to come take it back, then it WILL be a fight to the finish., and I will be first in line. I do not believe there is a Conspiracy to take it back, but if there was, that is my feeling on the matter.
You do not give up land without a fight, period.
you want a fight because white culture is so weak we can't do things any other way. and don't tell me it's "my" country. because you're right, all this talk of who owns what land is malarky.
look, you can call me a fool, but i don't contradict myself like you do.
if you're so much about being on the "front lines" for "your" country and this administration's racist ideas, you should definitely volunteer for the military. they need people like you. but i think you're just big-talk about that, you wouldn't fight for this country unless you were made to.
you want a fight because white culture is so weak we can't do things any other way. and don't tell me it's "my" country. because you're right, all this talk of who owns what land is malarky.
I did say I do not condon a "White America". And I did say, if it is true someone wants to take it over, there will be a fight. How is that wrong of me? look, you can call me a fool, but i don't contradict myself like you do. Show me where
if you're so much about being on the "front lines" for "your" country and this administration's racist ideas, you should definitely volunteer for the military. they need people like you. but i think you're just big-talk about that, you wouldn't fight for this country unless you were made to.
Didn't I say to Hell with bush? So where do you get I like this administration? As well, I am to old, and beaten up to join the military.
who said the USA belongs to the white race? the USA belongs to citizens of every race. how dare you act like it belongs to white people.
You've got to hand it to Buchanan. Unlike Bush and most reptiles, he doesn't pretend to be anything than what he is. He's ignorant white trash and he's proud of it.
Check your facts, sport.
Bush did nothing but trumpet his relationship with Vincente Fox in 2000. He wouldn't shut up about it. He'd say the same five words in Spanish and cue the Mariachi Band everywhere he went.
He's not just part of the problem. He is the problem. You want to do something about illegal immigration? Stake out shrub's fundraiser schedule.
I want a judges ruling on that
Sorry according to Berkley they offer access to land and unemployment insurance so your propaganda does not pass the truthiness test
- solon / Monday August 28, 2006 05:35:42 PM EST - Reply to this comment /
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That's because the facts have a liberal bias, solly.
Solution for Cerberus: emigrate to Mexico, renounce U.S. citizenship, then illegally cross the border back into the U.S. Problem solved!
- rusty shackleford / Monday August 28, 2006 04:46:55 PM EST
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Nah, Paraguay beckons. Hey, Mengele spent his golden years there. I'm sure the likes of Cerebus will be very happy there.
Since the amnesty for all types refuse to ever address any problems but just jump on people for being what they consider racist, what do they think about having borders?
Do you think we should just throw open the borders?
Grant amnesty for anyone who comes here?
Do you agree with the family reunification part of the bills proposed? (An illegal granted amnesty can bring to America, legally, his children, spouse, mothers and fathers. So if he has 8 children they are all automatically granted legal residence and access to every social service offered as well the parents)
Do you think there should be no further granting of amnesty? Do you believe that by granting amnesty for the millions already here that will stop the illegals from crossing the border?
Or do you think it will only encourage more of them to come here?
Further, how many illegals should we allow here?
Millions more?
Do you believe the U.S. has the ability to house, feed, clothe and provide medical care for as many millions as come here?
So come on all you who call anyone trying to keep America up and solvent a racist...what do you think?
Or is your sole argument that anyone who believes illegals should be found, deported and the borders heavily guarded except through legal portals, and that employers who use illegals should be fined and fined heavily up to and including imprisonment, are racist and therefore not worthy of debate?
"IWarrior
You're right - calling attention to the problem of illegal immigration is not necessarily racist. Unfortunately, however, it's the kind of problem that lends itself to easy exploitation by the usual racist yahoos."
Absolutely, and I think the racist yahoos are on both sides of the issue. There are the white folks scared to death of brown folks becoming the majority, and the brown folks who are chomping at the bit to become the majority.
"IWARRIOR
You have said it best. I do not know how many times in these threads I state just that. It is not a racial thing."
Thanks, but unfortunately, old Pat keep stirring that pot.